[NewMusic] old newmusic
Phillip Greenlief
pgsaxo at pacbell.net
Thu Dec 7 10:38:15 PST 2006
Not sure if this fits the bill, but Berio's "Coro" is also a very
complex and oddly romantic piece...
Charity: Thanks for reminding me of the Messaien!
PG
Phillip Greenlief
c/o Evander Music
PO Box 22158 Oakland, CA
94623-9991
www.evandermusic.com
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[mailto:newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu] On Behalf Of Charity Chan
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 2:25 AM
To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] old newmusic
Re: [NewMusic] old newmusic; c/o M. Ingallls.
My personal favourity is Gorecki's 3rd symphony... not as atonal, but
it's gorgeous (unbelievably, it was actually on top 40 when it first
came out... the one with Dawn Upshaw is, to me, the best.). Also,
try Messaien's "Turangalila-Symphonie", Berio's "Chants D'Auvergne",
Scriabin's Piano Sonatas (No. 5 is my favourite, and this only sort
of fits into the category), and lastly, Messaien's "Quartet for the
End of Time" (perennial favourite).
Cheers,
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2006 22:06:20 -0800
> From: Charity Chan <charity.chan at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NewMusic] merci and apologies
> To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
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> Hello all...
>
> Just wanted to say sorry again for posting on the discussion list...
> Now that I know where to send for show listings, I can most
> certainly promise that it will never happen again in the future!
>
> Thanks et Bisous,
>
> Charity
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:21:37 -0800
> From: "Polly Moller" <polly.moller at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NewMusic] United States Artists Awards First Fellowships
> To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
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>> From Philanthropy News Digest
>
> United States Artists Awards First Fellowships
>
> New York City-based United States Artists has announced its first
> fellowships, with unrestricted grants of $50,000 awarded to support
> the creative work of individual artists.
>
> The fifty-four fellows, including four who belong to artists'
> collaboratives, represent every career stage ? emerging, mid-career,
> and well-established ? as well as a broad range of artistic practices.
> A total of six fellowships were awarded in the category of crafts and
> traditional arts, four in dance, nine in literature (fiction,
> nonfiction, poetry), six in media (audio, film, radio, video), five in
> music, seven in theater arts, twelve in the visual arts, and one in
> architecture and design.
>
> Performance pioneer Meredith Monk and guitarist Bill Frisell were
> honored for a body of work that stretches over decades, while
> puppeteer Basil Twist, assemblage artist Anna Sew Hoy, and cartoonist
> Chris Ware were recognized as important new talents with great
> promise. The youngest fellow, Sterlin Harjo, is a 26-year-old Seminole
> and Creek filmmaker from Norman, Oklahoma, while the oldest is
> 83-year-old Ali Akbar Khan, an internationally known classical Indian
> musician from San Anselmo, California.
>
> United States Artists, which provides direct support to living
> artists, was established last year by the Ford, Rockefeller,
> Prudential, and Rasmuson foundations. Seed funding from the founders
> will enable 100 percent of future donations to the organization to
> support artists over the next five years.
>
> "USA's goal is to fuel innovation in our culture by investing in
> creativity at its source ? our nation's finest artists," said Susan V.
> Berresford, USA board chair and president of the Ford Foundation. "Our
> 2006 USA fellows represent the full spectrum of artistic excellence
> and the broad array of talent that abounds in all U.S. communities.
> This is...what USA, with its multidisciplinary scope and national
> reach, is designed to recognize."
>
> To learn more about this year's fellows, visit USA's Web site:
> http://www.unitedstatesartists.org/Public/USAFellows/index.cfm
>
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 10:11:53 -0800
> From: "Phillip Greenlief" <pgsaxo at pacbell.net>
> Subject: [NewMusic] Cheryl Leonard ?
> To: "'Bay Area New Music Discussion Group'" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
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> Dear bListers,
>
> I'm trying to reach Cheryl Leonard, and the email address I have isn't
> working.
> Can someone pass on her info?
> Feel free to contact me off-list.
> pgsaxo at pacbell.net
>
> Cheers,
> PG
>
>
> Phillip Greenlief
> c/o Evander Music
> PO Box 22158 Oakland, CA
> 94623-9991
> www.evandermusic.com
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 11:15:31 -0800
> From: Damon Smith <damon at balancepointacoustics.com>
> Subject: [NewMusic] Solo in Tel Aviv on youtube..
> To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3w2eY6lT_1M
> There is an additional duo video with the great spoprano saxophone
> player Ariel Shibolet that was too long for YOUTUBE in my myspace
> vidoes, see link below.
> The bass I am playing was a beautiful full size German flatback,
> lent
> to me by Jean-Claude Jones. This was from Oct. of 2005.
>
> damon smith
> http://www.balancepointacoustics.com
> http://myspace.com/smithdamon
>
> Just released:
> bpa009 "sperrgut" birgit ulher/damon smith/martin blume
> bpa 010 "cruxes" aurora josephson/joelle leandre/damon smith/martin
> blume
> bpa 011 "sextesense" john butcher/aaron bennett/henry kaiser/danielle
> degruttola/damon smith/jerome bryerton
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:30:59 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Matt J. Ingalls" <ingalls at mills.edu>
> Subject: [NewMusic] old newmusic
> To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
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>
> i've been on an
> over-the-top-hyper-romantic-atonal kick lately,
> like Webern Passacaglia and Berg Lyric Suite
> can anyone recommend anything else?
> i'd really like to hear something with Ferneyhough-like
> complexity, but with a bit more "romantic" feel, if that makes any
> sense..
>
> thanks,
> m
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:42:02 -0800
> From: Tom Bickley <tbickley at metatronpress.com>
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] old newmusic
> To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
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> Perhaps some Bruno Maderna?
>
> On Dec 6, 2006, at 12:30 PM, Matt J. Ingalls wrote:
>
>>
>> i've been on an
>> over-the-top-hyper-romantic-atonal kick lately,
>> like Webern Passacaglia and Berg Lyric Suite
>> can anyone recommend anything else?
>> i'd really like to hear something with Ferneyhough-like
>> complexity, but with a bit more "romantic" feel, if that makes any
>> sense..
>>
>> thanks,
>> m
>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:44:27 -0800
> From: "Polly Moller" <polly.moller at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] old newmusic
> To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
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> When I think "romantic", I hear Henry Cowell's Hymn & Fuguing Tune
> No. 2 for string orchestra. But that's neither very complex nor very
> atonal.
>
> P.
>
> On 12/6/06, Tom Bickley <tbickley at metatronpress.com> wrote:
>> Perhaps some Bruno Maderna?
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2006, at 12:30 PM, Matt J. Ingalls wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> i've been on an
>>> over-the-top-hyper-romantic-atonal kick lately,
>>> like Webern Passacaglia and Berg Lyric Suite
>>> can anyone recommend anything else?
>>> i'd really like to hear something with Ferneyhough-like
>>> complexity, but with a bit more "romantic" feel, if that makes any
>>> sense..
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> m
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
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> Message: 8
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:45:16 -0800
> From: Damon Smith <damon at balancepointacoustics.com>
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] old newmusic
> To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
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> On Dec 6, 2006, at 12:30 PM, Matt J. Ingalls wrote:
>
>>
>> i've been on an
>> over-the-top-hyper-romantic-atonal kick lately,
>> like Webern Passacaglia and Berg Lyric Suite
>> can anyone recommend anything else?
>> i'd really like to hear something with Ferneyhough-like
>> complexity, but with a bit more "romantic" feel, if that makes any
>> sense..
>
> I downloaded Xenakis' "Kraanerg" from Emusic recently and kind of felt
> that way about it.
>
> Damon
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 12:47:58 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Matt J. Ingalls" <ingalls at mills.edu>
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] old newmusic
> To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
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>
> hmm.. any suggestions? one of the pieces on my "todo" list to
> perform is
> "serenata #2" but that is much more darmstadt-like than what i'm
> talking
> about.. other maderna stuff
> that comes to mind isn't that great ..
>
> On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Tom Bickley wrote:
>
>> Perhaps some Bruno Maderna?
>>
>> On Dec 6, 2006, at 12:30 PM, Matt J. Ingalls wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> i've been on an
>>> over-the-top-hyper-romantic-atonal kick lately,
>>> like Webern Passacaglia and Berg Lyric Suite
>>> can anyone recommend anything else?
>>> i'd really like to hear something with Ferneyhough-like
>>> complexity, but with a bit more "romantic" feel, if that makes any
>>> sense..
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> m
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
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> Message: 10
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:12:47 -0800 (PST)
> From: "Matt J. Ingalls" <ingalls at mills.edu>
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] old newmusic
> To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
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>
> thanks polly.
>
> well i found a recording of this on artofthestates.org..
>
> yea, this is not the kind of thing i am talking about.
> here's am mp3 of that webern:
> http://sfsound.org/AntonWebern_op01passacaglia.mp3
>
> -m
>
>
> On Wed, 6 Dec 2006, Polly Moller wrote:
>
>> When I think "romantic", I hear Henry Cowell's Hymn & Fuguing Tune
>> No. 2 for string orchestra. But that's neither very complex nor very
>> atonal.
>>
>> P.
>>
>> On 12/6/06, Tom Bickley <tbickley at metatronpress.com> wrote:
>>> Perhaps some Bruno Maderna?
>>>
>>> On Dec 6, 2006, at 12:30 PM, Matt J. Ingalls wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> i've been on an
>>>> over-the-top-hyper-romantic-atonal kick lately,
>>>> like Webern Passacaglia and Berg Lyric Suite
>>>> can anyone recommend anything else?
>>>> i'd really like to hear something with Ferneyhough-like
>>>> complexity, but with a bit more "romantic" feel, if that makes any
>>>> sense..
>>>>
>>>> thanks,
>>>> m
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>>>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 13:35:06 -0800
> From: "Phillip Greenlief" <pgsaxo at pacbell.net>
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] old newmusic
> To: "'Bay Area New Music Discussion Group'" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
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> Berg seems a good place to explore complexity and romanticism - do you
> have his complete works? The Chamber Symphony is nice. And the
> operas...Lulu in particular...and the Lyric Suite is an all time
> favorite.
>
> There are a few Sofia Gubadailina works for orchestra, and the piano
> concerto, that might fit into your taste. What about Schoenberg's
> piano
> concerto? That also may fit the bill.
>
>
>
> Phillip Greenlief
> c/o Evander Music
> PO Box 22158 Oakland, CA
> 94623-9991
> www.evandermusic.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu
> [mailto:newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu] On Behalf Of Matt J. Ingalls
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:31 PM
> To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> Subject: [NewMusic] old newmusic
>
>
> i've been on an
> over-the-top-hyper-romantic-atonal kick lately,
> like Webern Passacaglia and Berg Lyric Suite
> can anyone recommend anything else?
> i'd really like to hear something with Ferneyhough-like
> complexity, but with a bit more "romantic" feel, if that makes any
> sense..
>
> thanks,
> m
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2006 15:22:55 -0600
> From: "Robair, Gino" <grobair at emusician.com>
> Subject: [NewMusic] Brenda Hutchinson/ Miya Masaoka in the news
> To: New Music <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
> Message-ID: <C19C90CF.160D%grobair at emusician.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Hey,
> Brenda and Miya have gotten some great press lately. Brenda's Wired
> piece
> can be seen here:
> http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,72240-0.html?tw=wn_index_10
>
> Miya and her laser koto was featured on NPR the other day:
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6575449
>
> Check 'em out!
> g
>
>
>
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>
> Message: 13
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 16:48:39 -0800
> From: David Slusser <slusser at pixar.com>
> Subject: [NewMusic] more jazzdeath
> To: New Music <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
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> New York Times:
> December 6, 2006
> Music
> In the Blogosphere, an Evolving Movement Brings Life to a Lost Era of
> Jazz
> By Nate Chinen
>
> "Jazz just kind of died," said the saxophonist Branford Marsalis. "It
> just
> kind of went away for a while." He was looking back to the 1970s, an
> uncertain era when some jazz musicians turned to rock or funk, and
> others
> pushed deeper into heady abstraction. His assessment, conveyed in the
> final
> episode of "Jazz," the influential Ken Burns film, seemed as
> definitive as a
> coffin nail.
>
> But over the last six months, a far-flung contingent of musicians and
> aficionados has made an effort to upend that prevailing notion, armed
> with
> stacks of vinyl, high-speed Internet and a shared conviction that
> things
> back then were really far from moribund. Along the way, they touched
> off the
> year's most animated public discourse on jazz, a democratic exchange
> that
> culminated last weekend in the debut of behearer.com, an interactive
> database devoted to the music's most conflicted period.
>
> The movement, so to speak, has its origins in a posting by the
> trumpeter and
> composer Dave Douglas on his label's blog, greenleafmusic.com. "I'm
> reading
> a new book by Philip Jenkins called 'Decade of Nightmares: The End of
> the
> Sixties and the Making of Eighties America,' " Mr. Douglas wrote at
> the
> beginning of the summer, "and I think there are some pertinent tie-
> ins to
> the elusive history of the last four decades of American music. Those
> are
> the decades Ken Burns couldn't handle, and this may help explain why."
>
> That book's principal argument is that the 1970s saw the failures and
> excesses of '60s idealism compounded by national horrors like Vietnam
> and
> Watergate, resulting in the rise of a paranoid conservatism. On his
> blog Mr.
> Douglas drew a parallel. "There's a demonization of musicians who
> pushed the
> boundaries, successfully and importantly, in that period," he wrote,
> "and it
> has crept into the way history is told and music is taught."
>
> Noting that "jazz" became an impossibly broad designation around this
> time,
> Mr. Douglas posed a rhetorical question: "Is there a writer who can
> take on
> the project of an unbiased overview of music since the end of the
> Vietnam
> War?" And borrowing Mr. Jenkins's benchmark of Richard M. Nixon's
> resignation as the official end of the 1960s, he proposed a new jazz
> history
> that would acknowledge "a generation of multiplicity," beginning in
> 1974 and
> stretching to the end of the cold war.
>
> The call hung in the air for a while. Then, near summer's end, a
> reply of
> sorts appeared on Do the Math, the blog of the band Bad Plus
> (http://thebadplus.typepad.com/dothemath). Ethan Iverson, the pianist
> in the
> band and the chief blogger on the site, answered Mr. Douglas's
> query not
> with an unbiased overview, but a catalog of hundreds of cherished
> albums
> from his collection, complete with casual but articulate annotations.
> ---
>
> More:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/06/arts/music/06blog.html
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2006 17:38:58 -0800
> From: "Kees van Prooijen" <personal at kees.cc>
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] old newmusic
> To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
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>
> I would say Zimmermann's "Die Soldaten" could be described like that.
>
> Kees
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Matt J. Ingalls" <ingalls at mills.edu>
> To: <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 12:30 PM
> Subject: [NewMusic] old newmusic
>
>
>>
>> i've been on an
>> over-the-top-hyper-romantic-atonal kick lately,
>> like Webern Passacaglia and Berg Lyric Suite
>> can anyone recommend anything else?
>> i'd really like to hear something with Ferneyhough-like
>> complexity, but with a bit more "romantic" feel, if that makes any
>> sense..
>>
>> thanks,
>> m
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>
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