From 21grand at 21grand.org  Mon Jan  1 12:17:44 2007
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Mon, 01 Jan 2007 12:17:44 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] contact info resource
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1167627602.12922.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <C1BEAC68.17513%21grand@21grand.org>

This is the 3rd post this week where people are posting looking for emails
for people who post to this list, which are easily found by looking at the
list archives:

http://music.mills.edu/pipermail/newmusic/

- a veritable treasure trove of usefulness ... if one is into research.
Don't they teach you research skills in college anymore? And you want a
student discount? Sheesh.

sl 
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:35:06 -0800 (PST)
> From: maryclare brzytwa <mcbrzytwa at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [NewMusic] ettrick
> To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
> Message-ID: <293251.41951.qm at web55110.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> 
> 
> Hi .
> DOes anyone know how to get ahold of Jacob from Ettrick?
> muchos gracias.
> xoxoox
> mc


From mcbrzytwa at yahoo.com  Mon Jan  1 15:39:25 2007
From: mcbrzytwa at yahoo.com (maryclare brzytwa)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 15:39:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] toby's first recital
In-Reply-To: <C1BEAC68.17513%21grand@21grand.org>
Message-ID: <766463.13459.qm@web55114.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

This was my student Toby;s recital with home made Tuba.
Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF6muCXdZmg


Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> wrote: This is the 3rd post this week where people are posting looking for emails
for people who post to this list, which are easily found by looking at the
list archives:

http://music.mills.edu/pipermail/newmusic/

- a veritable treasure trove of usefulness ... if one is into research.
Don't they teach you research skills in college anymore? And you want a
student discount? Sheesh.

sl 
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:35:06 -0800 (PST)
> From: maryclare brzytwa 
> Subject: [NewMusic] ettrick
> To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group 
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> 
> 
> 
> Hi .
> DOes anyone know how to get ahold of Jacob from Ettrick?
> muchos gracias.
> xoxoox
> mc

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From sopranino at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jan  1 19:18:53 2007
From: sopranino at sbcglobal.net (Jon Raskin)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 19:18:53 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip
Message-ID: <000601c72e1c$bb7a1290$6401a8c0@HP28718835617>

The dialog between Matt and Phillip got me thinking about the nature of
creating art music in the age of information and how having so much music
available affects the process and the outcome.  I split the discourse into
two views (which I don't think are mutually exclusive):  

1.	A naive stance- to create from the personal, regional and follow the
strongest impulse or interest.
2.	An educated stance- to create from a deep understanding of impulse
or interest that can range from regional to global.

As I think back on how I learned music, it was part through learning from
master musicians, the academy and also from the music shop and research
through the availability of recordings.  This has been increasing at an
amazing rate when you throw the internet and the immediacy that it enables.

I'm throwing this out for thoughts and responses 


Jon Raskin
Rova Saxophone Quartet
www.rova.org
www.jonraskin.com
http:///www.myspace.com/jonraskin

 



From damon at balancepointacoustics.com  Mon Jan  1 19:37:16 2007
From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 19:37:16 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip
In-Reply-To: <000601c72e1c$bb7a1290$6401a8c0@HP28718835617>
References: <000601c72e1c$bb7a1290$6401a8c0@HP28718835617>
Message-ID: <3042d532ace598dc792b41dd23ccd48a@balancepointacoustics.com>

I missed a lot of it being on tour, I had to delete all my webmail. In 
my observations 1. rarely works, especially when calculated. I love to 
hear other improvisors, especially bass players. I like to think we are 
just working on the same project once one of us figures some part of it 
out we can all move forward a bit.
I also think the most efficient use of this period is to make use of 
all the available information.
On the other hand, you have a better chance 1. working out if you play 
drum machine rather than saxophone.

Damon

On Jan 1, 2007, at 7:18 PM, Jon Raskin wrote:

> The dialog between Matt and Phillip got me thinking about the nature of
> creating art music in the age of information and how having so much 
> music
> available affects the process and the outcome.  I split the discourse 
> into
> two views (which I don't think are mutually exclusive):
>
> 1.	A naive stance- to create from the personal, regional and follow the
> strongest impulse or interest.
> 2.	An educated stance- to create from a deep understanding of impulse
> or interest that can range from regional to global.
>
> As I think back on how I learned music, it was part through learning 
> from
> master musicians, the academy and also from the music shop and research
> through the availability of recordings.  This has been increasing at an
> amazing rate when you throw the internet and the immediacy that it 
> enables.
>
> I'm throwing this out for thoughts and responses
>
>
> Jon Raskin
> Rova Saxophone Quartet
> www.rova.org
> www.jonraskin.com
> http:///www.myspace.com/jonraskin
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>


From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Mon Jan  1 22:51:06 2007
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Mon, 1 Jan 2007 22:51:06 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip
In-Reply-To: <000601c72e1c$bb7a1290$6401a8c0@HP28718835617>
Message-ID: <000001c72e3a$65f75f80$4001a8c0@PG>

-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Jon Raskin
Subject: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip

The dialog between Matt and Phillip got me thinking about the nature of
creating art music in the age of information and how having so much
music
available affects the process and the outcome.  I split the discourse
into
two views (which I don't think are mutually exclusive):  

1.	A naive stance- to create from the personal, regional and follow
the
strongest impulse or interest.
2.	An educated stance- to create from a deep understanding of
impulse
or interest that can range from regional to global.

As I think back on how I learned music, it was part through learning
from
master musicians, the academy and also from the music shop and research
through the availability of recordings.  This has been increasing at an
amazing rate when you throw the internet and the immediacy that it
enables.

I'm throwing this out for thoughts and responses 


PG:
I imagine that the "educated stance" pulls from impulse as well. I know
that I am influenced by a lot of things. I also know that I am not
always conscious of how the "education" informs me as a composer - I
have that knowledge, but I learn more from working WITH people and
understanding their process - so when I write something, I write for
them (using a variety of composition techniques: graphic scores, text
scores, "illustrated" scores, traditional notation, verbal cues, hand
signals, etc.) I try to take into consideration what I know about the
players and their own history - there have been bands where I had to use
more than one kind of notation within a "piece" - (so and so got a
graphic score, because they don't read music, and another musician may
have received a chart with traditional notation, for example - I know I
am not the only one that "splits" the cranium this way). 

But what I think is more important is that you use ANY knowledge you can
to find the easiest way to communicate your ideas to the musicians
you're working with on any given project - or ideally (as Theresa and I
did, for example), the groups develops it's own unique tools for
imparting musical instructions. I know this is how ROVA came upon Radar,
and other processes that have generated within the context of your
history.

For me, the education helps in understanding how to deal with certain
"inevitable" musical problems - ones that deal with form, texture,
balancing whatever voices you are working with, etc. - but again, I try
to learn as much as I can from the group I am working with so the
composition process is "analogous" (if that's the right word here) as
possible with the group's natural way of working together. It's kind of
a fine line between the #1 and the #2 that you cited above. 

As far as working as an improviser - I am/we are always calling upon all
of our knowledge of music in the moment - and that knowledge is
reflected in the intuitive ways that we relate in the moment of
improvisation - so I have always thought that it would be better to have
as much information in your head as possible when improvising - the idea
being that there would be more options to choose from.
 
Cheers, Jon - and thanks for your input.


From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 00:00:55 2007
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 00:00:55 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip
In-Reply-To: <000601c72e1c$bb7a1290$6401a8c0@HP28718835617>
References: <000601c72e1c$bb7a1290$6401a8c0@HP28718835617>
Message-ID: <c70e517b0701020000s68edfb65s3125f6555ca5dd17@mail.gmail.com>

I haven't been very skilled at putting my whole point of view into words.
Phillip and I both agree that paying attention to a wide array of different
music is important. I guess where I split from most musical folks is that:

a) I don't believe that the "wide array" of interests should include certain
specific albums, artists, or even specific genres, partially because when
you have a nice diverse field like we have in the Bay Area, you'd never get
people to agree on what those should be.
b) I also think that different people might enjoy music for entirely
different reasons. Some people like to analyze and others just like how it
sounds.

If we're looking for uniqueness, I think that depends more on the individual
than on the method they choose to approach music. (Or more specifically, the
individual personality leads to both.) If everybody chose one path or the
other, then things would be more boring.

Matt

On 1/1/07, Jon Raskin <sopranino at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> The dialog between Matt and Phillip got me thinking about the nature of
> creating art music in the age of information and how having so much music
> available affects the process and the outcome.  I split the discourse into
> two views (which I don't think are mutually exclusive):
>
> 1.      A naive stance- to create from the personal, regional and follow
> the
> strongest impulse or interest.
> 2.      An educated stance- to create from a deep understanding of impulse
> or interest that can range from regional to global.
>
> As I think back on how I learned music, it was part through learning from
> master musicians, the academy and also from the music shop and research
> through the availability of recordings.  This has been increasing at an
> amazing rate when you throw the internet and the immediacy that it
> enables.
>
> I'm throwing this out for thoughts and responses
>
>
> Jon Raskin
> Rova Saxophone Quartet
> www.rova.org
> www.jonraskin.com
> http:///www.myspace.com/jonraskin
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From magsatellite at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  2 00:22:09 2007
From: magsatellite at yahoo.com (J. Segel)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 00:22:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] etc
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1167714001.14585.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <838323.49672.qm@web30601.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


> From: Damon Smith <damon at balancepointacoustics.com>

> I like to think we are 
> just working on the same project once one of us figures some part of it 
> out we can all move forward a bit.

wow, i really like that way of thinking about it. i try to hear all music that way.

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From ernestodiazinfante at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  2 08:17:58 2007
From: ernestodiazinfante at yahoo.com (Ernesto Diaz-Infante)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 08:17:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] raphe malik tribute CD
In-Reply-To: <303469.20533.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <44336.88257.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Why don't you buck up, guy?
Why don't you get over it?
Why don't you get over the fact that this
discussion list isn't for men's eyes only,
and accept a response to some blatant sexism
with some grace?

give it a try.
Ernesto
--- andrew wilshusen <liberatednsf at yahoo.com>
wrote:

> or alternatively, maybe we need more powdered
> pussies....  i mean, i don't know anything
> about them
> but they sound good to me.
> 
> what?  oh, get over it!
> 
> happy new perception!
> andrew
> 
> 
> 
> --- Ava Mendoza <ava.mendoza at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > as a B#&#! myself, i wasn't aware that we
> powdering
> > p#$&!sies was a
> > thing that was done. in any case, lester
> young used
> > that expression at
> > least 50 years ago and at this point
> > maybe it's time it was not used anymore..
> > 
> > 
> > On 12/28/06, eneidi at lmi.net <eneidi at lmi.net>
> wrote:
> > > i am making available a very short run of
> CDR's
> > from last july at the
> > > nickelsdorf konfrontationen festival.  this
> > concert was the last set
> > > at two am on friday night before an
> audience of
> > 400 - 500  21 july
> > > 2006. recorded by swiss national radio in
> their
> > remote truck. (really
> > > quite good)  we played a melody of various
> pieces
> > by raphe malik that
> > > was played as a quintet in nickelsdorf with
> glenn
> > spearman, larry
> > > roland and dennis warren in 1992. the sound
> > quality is quite good but
> > > unedited, just a straight run through of
> the
> > concert.
> > >
> > > the band is.. marco eneidi - alto
> saxophone, peter
> > brotzmann - tenor
> > > saxophone, thomas berghammer - trumpet,
> george
> > graewe - piano, martin
> > > siewert - guitars, radi "der hundt"
> electric bass
> > + electronics, hans
> > > falb - turntables, werner moebius -
> electronics,
> > dd kern - drums,
> > > bernhard breundl - drums
> > >
> > > i was only given ten days notice to put
> this group
> > together and only
> > > rehersed several people as solo and duo and
> the
> > the concert was the
> > > first time the whole group was together...
> so the
> > music is raw, rough,
> > > ready, quite down and nasty, and to quote
> lester
> > young " smooth, sweet
> > > and soft, just like a B#&#! powdering her
> pussy
> > after a shower"
> > > totaly rocking and swinging
> > > i think if raphe heard this he would lie
> still in
> > his grave and smile
> > > really worth hearing
> > >
> > > 69'39 playing time
> > >
> > > this is a no frilled CDr
> > > i only make 50 copies, as i have not the
> time or
> > patience for this
> > > sort of thing, but you are free to pass it
> along
> > to your friends who
> > > may just happen to be record producers,
> concert
> > promoters, festival
> > > organizers, booking agents.... (yes, i need
> work,
> > from solo to
> > > orchestra)
> > > $13 US or 10 euro...just to cover my cost
> of
> > sending and whatnot.. no
> > > profit on my part
> > >
> > > this may be sent directly to my bank
> account
> > >
> > > marco eneidi
> > > bank austria creditanstalt
> > > 52730 006 904
> > > blz - 12000
> > > swift bic - bkauatww
> > >
> > > or folded up bills to
> > >
> > > hernalsergurtel 24/28
> > > 1090 wien
> > > austria
> > >
> > > peace to all
> > > frohe weihnachten und alles gut in der nue
> jahre
> > >
> > > marco
> > > www.marcoeneidi.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> _______________________________________________
> > > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > >
>
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> > >
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > www.avamendoza.com
> > www.myspace.com/avamendoza
> >
> _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> >
>
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> > 
> 
> 
>
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From polly.moller at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 09:49:21 2007
From: polly.moller at gmail.com (Polly Moller)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 09:49:21 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] raphe malik tribute CD
In-Reply-To: <303469.20533.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <317505170612281708l42e3277en816a36ea5eecd3d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<303469.20533.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2eb068d40701020949n534c9490v719a6f8095944ae5@mail.gmail.com>

No, I'm with Ava.
Given the warm welcome I've gotten from so many men of the new music community,
that quote is jarring as hell, and it doesn't incline me to buy the CD
you're offering.

P.

On 12/31/06, andrew wilshusen <liberatednsf at yahoo.com> wrote:
> or alternatively, maybe we need more powdered
> pussies....  i mean, i don't know anything about them
> but they sound good to me.
>
> what?  oh, get over it!
>
> happy new perception!
> andrew
>
>
>
> --- Ava Mendoza <ava.mendoza at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > as a B#&#! myself, i wasn't aware that we powdering
> > p#$&!sies was a
> > thing that was done. in any case, lester young used
> > that expression at
> > least 50 years ago and at this point
> > maybe it's time it was not used anymore..
> >
> >
> > On 12/28/06, eneidi at lmi.net <eneidi at lmi.net> wrote:
> > > i am making available a very short run of CDR's
> > from last july at the
> > > nickelsdorf konfrontationen festival.  this
> > concert was the last set
> > > at two am on friday night before an audience of
> > 400 - 500  21 july
> > > 2006. recorded by swiss national radio in their
> > remote truck. (really
> > > quite good)  we played a melody of various pieces
> > by raphe malik that
> > > was played as a quintet in nickelsdorf with glenn
> > spearman, larry
> > > roland and dennis warren in 1992. the sound
> > quality is quite good but
> > > unedited, just a straight run through of the
> > concert.
> > >
> > > the band is.. marco eneidi - alto saxophone, peter
> > brotzmann - tenor
> > > saxophone, thomas berghammer - trumpet, george
> > graewe - piano, martin
> > > siewert - guitars, radi "der hundt" electric bass
> > + electronics, hans
> > > falb - turntables, werner moebius - electronics,
> > dd kern - drums,
> > > bernhard breundl - drums
> > >
> > > i was only given ten days notice to put this group
> > together and only
> > > rehersed several people as solo and duo and the
> > the concert was the
> > > first time the whole group was together... so the
> > music is raw, rough,
> > > ready, quite down and nasty, and to quote lester
> > young " smooth, sweet
> > > and soft, just like a B#&#! powdering her pussy
> > after a shower"
> > > totaly rocking and swinging
> > > i think if raphe heard this he would lie still in
> > his grave and smile
> > > really worth hearing
> > >
> > > 69'39 playing time
> > >
> > > this is a no frilled CDr
> > > i only make 50 copies, as i have not the time or
> > patience for this
> > > sort of thing, but you are free to pass it along
> > to your friends who
> > > may just happen to be record producers, concert
> > promoters, festival
> > > organizers, booking agents.... (yes, i need work,
> > from solo to
> > > orchestra)
> > > $13 US or 10 euro...just to cover my cost of
> > sending and whatnot.. no
> > > profit on my part
> > >
> > > this may be sent directly to my bank account
> > >
> > > marco eneidi
> > > bank austria creditanstalt
> > > 52730 006 904
> > > blz - 12000
> > > swift bic - bkauatww
> > >
> > > or folded up bills to
> > >
> > > hernalsergurtel 24/28
> > > 1090 wien
> > > austria
> > >
> > > peace to all
> > > frohe weihnachten und alles gut in der nue jahre
> > >
> > > marco
> > > www.marcoeneidi.com
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > www.avamendoza.com
> > www.myspace.com/avamendoza
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >
>
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From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 10:07:05 2007
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 10:07:05 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] raphe malik tribute CD
In-Reply-To: <2eb068d40701020949n534c9490v719a6f8095944ae5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <317505170612281708l42e3277en816a36ea5eecd3d3@mail.gmail.com>
	<303469.20533.qm@web30507.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<2eb068d40701020949n534c9490v719a6f8095944ae5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c70e517b0701021007l78f400c4g5bd14a9ed038ba8d@mail.gmail.com>

There are many, many things I'd think of that are "smooth, sweet and soft"
before I'd come up with something about b$%&#s and their p#$&!sies. Even
further, if one wanted to quote an old jazz musician to promote a cd, I'd
like to hope that things like, "Time to brush my teeth," would be higher on
the list than the quote used.

If we're looking to make jaws drop, why not quote Andrew Dice Clay?


On 12/31/06, andrew wilshusen <liberatednsf at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > what?  oh, get over it!
> >
> > happy new perception!
> > andrew
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Ava Mendoza <ava.mendoza at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > as a B#&#! myself, i wasn't aware that we powdering
> > > p#$&!sies was a
> > > thing that was done. in any case, lester young used
> > > that expression at
> > > least 50 years ago and at this point
> > > maybe it's time it was not used anymore..
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/28/06, eneidi at lmi.net <eneidi at lmi.net> wrote:
> > > > i am making available a very short run of CDR's
> > > from last july at the
> > > > nickelsdorf konfrontationen festival.  this
> > > concert was the last set
> > > > at two am on friday night before an audience of
> > > 400 - 500  21 july
> > > > 2006. recorded by swiss national radio in their
> > > remote truck. (really
> > > > quite good)  we played a melody of various pieces
> > > by raphe malik that
> > > > was played as a quintet in nickelsdorf with glenn
> > > spearman, larry
> > > > roland and dennis warren in 1992. the sound
> > > quality is quite good but
> > > > unedited, just a straight run through of the
> > > concert.
> > > >
> > > > the band is.. marco eneidi - alto saxophone, peter
> > > brotzmann - tenor
> > > > saxophone, thomas berghammer - trumpet, george
> > > graewe - piano, martin
> > > > siewert - guitars, radi "der hundt" electric bass
> > > + electronics, hans
> > > > falb - turntables, werner moebius - electronics,
> > > dd kern - drums,
> > > > bernhard breundl - drums
> > > >
> > > > i was only given ten days notice to put this group
> > > together and only
> > > > rehersed several people as solo and duo and the
> > > the concert was the
> > > > first time the whole group was together... so the
> > > music is raw, rough,
> > > > ready, quite down and nasty, and to quote lester
> > > young " smooth, sweet
> > > > and soft, just like a B#&#! powdering her pussy
> > > after a shower"
> > > > totaly rocking and swinging
> > > > i think if raphe heard this he would lie still in
> > > his grave and smile
> > > > really worth hearing
> > > >
> > > > 69'39 playing time
> > > >
> > > > this is a no frilled CDr
> > > > i only make 50 copies, as i have not the time or
> > > patience for this
> > > > sort of thing, but you are free to pass it along
> > > to your friends who
> > > > may just happen to be record producers, concert
> > > promoters, festival
> > > > organizers, booking agents.... (yes, i need work,
> > > from solo to
> > > > orchestra)
> > > > $13 US or 10 euro...just to cover my cost of
> > > sending and whatnot.. no
> > > > profit on my part
> > > >
> > > > this may be sent directly to my bank account
> > > >
> > > > marco eneidi
> > > > bank austria creditanstalt
> > > > 52730 006 904
> > > > blz - 12000
> > > > swift bic - bkauatww
> > > >
> > > > or folded up bills to
> > > >
> > > > hernalsergurtel 24/28
> > > > 1090 wien
> > > > austria
> > > >
> > > > peace to all
> > > > frohe weihnachten und alles gut in der nue jahre
> > > >
> > > > marco
> > > > www.marcoeneidi.com
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > > > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > > > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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> > > www.myspace.com/avamendoza
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> > > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
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From dmichalak at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan  2 10:23:05 2007
From: dmichalak at sbcglobal.net (dmichalak)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 10:23:05 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip
References: <000601c72e1c$bb7a1290$6401a8c0@HP28718835617>
	<3042d532ace598dc792b41dd23ccd48a@balancepointacoustics.com>
Message-ID: <003e01c72e9b$1167c390$6601a8c0@MARIE>

> On the other hand, you have a better chance 1. working out if you play
> drum machine rather than saxophone.
>
> Damon

Where does one go to learn from the master musicians of the drum machine? D.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Damon Smith" <damon at balancepointacoustics.com>
To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip


>I missed a lot of it being on tour, I had to delete all my webmail. In
> my observations 1. rarely works, especially when calculated. I love to
> hear other improvisors, especially bass players. I like to think we are
> just working on the same project once one of us figures some part of it
> out we can all move forward a bit.
> I also think the most efficient use of this period is to make use of
> all the available information.
> On the other hand, you have a better chance 1. working out if you play
> drum machine rather than saxophone.
>
> Damon
>
> On Jan 1, 2007, at 7:18 PM, Jon Raskin wrote:
>
>> The dialog between Matt and Phillip got me thinking about the nature of
>> creating art music in the age of information and how having so much
>> music
>> available affects the process and the outcome.  I split the discourse
>> into
>> two views (which I don't think are mutually exclusive):
>>
>> 1. A naive stance- to create from the personal, regional and follow the
>> strongest impulse or interest.
>> 2. An educated stance- to create from a deep understanding of impulse
>> or interest that can range from regional to global.
>>
>> As I think back on how I learned music, it was part through learning
>> from
>> master musicians, the academy and also from the music shop and research
>> through the availability of recordings.  This has been increasing at an
>> amazing rate when you throw the internet and the immediacy that it
>> enables.
>>
>> I'm throwing this out for thoughts and responses
>>
>>
>> Jon Raskin
>> Rova Saxophone Quartet
>> www.rova.org
>> www.jonraskin.com
>> http:///www.myspace.com/jonraskin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
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From jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  2 10:26:57 2007
From: jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com (Jacob Lindsay)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 10:26:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip
In-Reply-To: <000601c72e1c$bb7a1290$6401a8c0@HP28718835617>
Message-ID: <691229.9211.qm@web58012.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Here's one idea about how to combine these two:

Step #1:  Learn
Step #2:  Forget
Repeat

Then you might have a chance of making significant and
original music.

You can also substitute the following (mostly
semantics) for #1 and #2

#1 Look outside
#2 Look inside

#1 Try
#2 Give up

#1 Hold
#2 Let go

In my estimation you need to do both.




--- Jon Raskin <sopranino at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> The dialog between Matt and Phillip got me thinking
> about the nature of
> creating art music in the age of information and how
> having so much music
> available affects the process and the outcome.  I
> split the discourse into
> two views (which I don't think are mutually
> exclusive):  
> 
> 1.	A naive stance- to create from the personal,
> regional and follow the
> strongest impulse or interest.
> 2.	An educated stance- to create from a deep
> understanding of impulse
> or interest that can range from regional to global.
> 
> As I think back on how I learned music, it was part
> through learning from
> master musicians, the academy and also from the
> music shop and research
> through the availability of recordings.  This has
> been increasing at an
> amazing rate when you throw the internet and the
> immediacy that it enables.
> 
> I'm throwing this out for thoughts and responses 
> 
> 
> Jon Raskin
> Rova Saxophone Quartet
> www.rova.org
> www.jonraskin.com
> http:///www.myspace.com/jonraskin
> 
>  
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> 


Jacob Lindsay
http://www.bayimproviser.com/artistdetail.asp?artist_id=44
http://www.myspace.com/mryellowcake

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From slusser at pixar.com  Tue Jan  2 10:40:01 2007
From: slusser at pixar.com (David Slusser)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 10:40:01 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] naive-educated
In-Reply-To: <000601c72e1c$bb7a1290$6401a8c0@HP28718835617>
References: <000601c72e1c$bb7a1290$6401a8c0@HP28718835617>
Message-ID: <A13EAD0B-A3F3-4686-9946-175B5073F085@pixar.com>

left brain - right brain

use 'em both all the time (may be related to childhood head injury)

On Jan 1, 2007, at 7:18 PM, Jon Raskin wrote:
>
> 1.	A naive stance- to create from the personal, regional and follow  
> the
> strongest impulse or interest.
> 2.	An educated stance- to create from a deep understanding of impulse
> or interest that can range from regional to global.

From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Tue Jan  2 10:40:41 2007
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 10:40:41 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] raphe malik tribute CD
In-Reply-To: <c70e517b0701021007l78f400c4g5bd14a9ed038ba8d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000501c72e9d$86d97590$4001a8c0@PG>

Dear bListers,

This is Marco Eneidi you're talking about...I appreciate your desire to
school him (through Andrew), but - GOOD LUCK! It's not an easy task. I
tried schooling him once on a different subject and he didn't talk to me
for four years. I'm not sure the line of communication is open, if you
know what I meanzzz...

PG

-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Matt Davignon
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] raphe malik tribute CD

There are many, many things I'd think of that are "smooth, sweet and
soft"
before I'd come up with something about b$%&#s and their p#$&!sies. Even
further, if one wanted to quote an old jazz musician to promote a cd,
I'd
like to hope that things like, "Time to brush my teeth," would be higher
on
the list than the quote used.

If we're looking to make jaws drop, why not quote Andrew Dice Clay?


On 12/31/06, andrew wilshusen <liberatednsf at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > what?  oh, get over it!
> >
> > happy new perception!
> > andrew
> >
> > --- Ava Mendoza <ava.mendoza at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > as a B#&#! myself, i wasn't aware that we powdering
> > > p#$&!sies was a
> > > thing that was done. in any case, lester young used
> > > that expression at
> > > least 50 years ago and at this point
> > > maybe it's time it was not used anymore..
> > >
> > >
> > > On 12/28/06, eneidi at lmi.net <eneidi at lmi.net> wrote:
> > > > i am making available a very short run of CDR's
> > > from last july at the
> > > > nickelsdorf konfrontationen festival.  this
> > > concert was the last set
> > > > at two am on friday night before an audience of
> > > 400 - 500  21 july
> > > > 2006. recorded by swiss national radio in their
> > > remote truck. (really
> > > > quite good)  we played a melody of various pieces
> > > by raphe malik that
> > > > was played as a quintet in nickelsdorf with glenn
> > > spearman, larry
> > > > roland and dennis warren in 1992. the sound
> > > quality is quite good but
> > > > unedited, just a straight run through of the
> > > concert.
> > > >
> > > > the band is.. marco eneidi - alto saxophone, peter
> > > brotzmann - tenor
> > > > saxophone, thomas berghammer - trumpet, george
> > > graewe - piano, martin
> > > > siewert - guitars, radi "der hundt" electric bass
> > > + electronics, hans
> > > > falb - turntables, werner moebius - electronics,
> > > dd kern - drums,
> > > > bernhard breundl - drums
> > > >
> > > > i was only given ten days notice to put this group
> > > together and only
> > > > rehersed several people as solo and duo and the
> > > the concert was the
> > > > first time the whole group was together... so the
> > > music is raw, rough,
> > > > ready, quite down and nasty, and to quote lester
> > > young " smooth, sweet
> > > > and soft, just like a B#&#! powdering her pussy
> > > after a shower"
> > > > totaly rocking and swinging
> > > > i think if raphe heard this he would lie still in
> > > his grave and smile
> > > > really worth hearing
> > > >
> > > > 69'39 playing time
> > > >
> > > > this is a no frilled CDr
> > > > i only make 50 copies, as i have not the time or
> > > patience for this
> > > > sort of thing, but you are free to pass it along
> > > to your friends who
> > > > may just happen to be record producers, concert
> > > promoters, festival
> > > > organizers, booking agents.... (yes, i need work,
> > > from solo to
> > > > orchestra)
> > > > $13 US or 10 euro...just to cover my cost of
> > > sending and whatnot.. no
> > > > profit on my part
> > > >
> > > > this may be sent directly to my bank account
> > > >
> > > > marco eneidi
> > > > bank austria creditanstalt
> > > > 52730 006 904
> > > > blz - 12000
> > > > swift bic - bkauatww
> > > >
> > > > or folded up bills to
> > > >
> > > > hernalsergurtel 24/28
> > > > 1090 wien
> > > > austria
> > > >
> > > > peace to all
> > > > frohe weihnachten und alles gut in der nue jahre
> > > >
> > > > marco
> > > > www.marcoeneidi.com



From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Tue Jan  2 11:09:34 2007
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:09:34 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip
In-Reply-To: <003e01c72e9b$1167c390$6601a8c0@MARIE>
Message-ID: <001401c72ea1$8f619d60$4001a8c0@PG>

-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of dmichalak
 
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip

> On the other hand, you have a better chance 1. working out if you play
> drum machine rather than saxophone.
>
> Damon

Where does one go to learn from the master musicians of the drum
machine? D.


PG:
I would go to Saint Petersburg and study with my friend, Nadezhda
Voskiboynik - she has amazing skills on the instrument. It's far, and
very cold this time of year, but probably worth it.


From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Tue Jan  2 11:11:23 2007
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:11:23 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip
In-Reply-To: <691229.9211.qm@web58012.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001501c72ea1$d043dff0$4001a8c0@PG>

-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Jacob Lindsay
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip

Here's one idea about how to combine these two:

Step #1:  Learn
Step #2:  Forget
Repeat

Then you might have a chance of making significant and
original music.

You can also substitute the following (mostly
semantics) for #1 and #2

#1 Look outside
#2 Look inside

#1 Try
#2 Give up

#1 Hold
#2 Let go

In my estimation you need to do both.


PG:
Don't forget this important "golden rule":
#1 - Go to sleep (don't do anything)
#2 - Get up (do something)


From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Tue Jan  2 11:13:18 2007
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:13:18 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] naive-educated
In-Reply-To: <A13EAD0B-A3F3-4686-9946-175B5073F085@pixar.com>
Message-ID: <001601c72ea2$14ebdd10$4001a8c0@PG>

-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of David Slusser
 
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] naive-educated

left brain - right brain
use 'em both all the time (may be related to childhood head injury)

PG:
THIS SETTLES THE MYSTERY!!!!!
Slusser and I are both childhood head-injury survivors!


From aurorarising at hotmail.com  Tue Jan  2 11:14:19 2007
From: aurorarising at hotmail.com (~ Aurora ~)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:14:19 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Happy New Year
Message-ID: <BAY124-W47102A21593D0AF5C4296ADDBA0@phx.gbl>

Happy New Year to you!
 
Thank you all for the music and lively discussion this last year.
 
Keep up the important work and look forward to seeing you/taking your picture in 2007...
 
Kisses,
 
Aurora Josephson

From ava.mendoza at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 11:26:34 2007
From: ava.mendoza at gmail.com (Ava Mendoza)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:26:34 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] raphe malik tribute CD
In-Reply-To: <000501c72e9d$86d97590$4001a8c0@PG>
References: <c70e517b0701021007l78f400c4g5bd14a9ed038ba8d@mail.gmail.com>
	<000501c72e9d$86d97590$4001a8c0@PG>
Message-ID: <317505170701021126o660d11f8r75aecaffdf025af3@mail.gmail.com>

in defense of marco he wrote me a nice e-mail apologizing for any
offense, so apparently there are some lines of something open.
who said "Time to brush my teeth?"


On 1/2/07, Phillip Greenlief <pgsaxo at pacbell.net> wrote:
> Dear bListers,
>
> This is Marco Eneidi you're talking about...I appreciate your desire to
> school him (through Andrew), but - GOOD LUCK! It's not an easy task. I
> tried schooling him once on a different subject and he didn't talk to me
> for four years. I'm not sure the line of communication is open, if you
> know what I meanzzz...
>
> PG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of Matt Davignon
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] raphe malik tribute CD
>
> There are many, many things I'd think of that are "smooth, sweet and
> soft"
> before I'd come up with something about b$%&#s and their p#$&!sies. Even
> further, if one wanted to quote an old jazz musician to promote a cd,
> I'd
> like to hope that things like, "Time to brush my teeth," would be higher
> on
> the list than the quote used.
>
> If we're looking to make jaws drop, why not quote Andrew Dice Clay?
>
>
> On 12/31/06, andrew wilshusen <liberatednsf at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > what?  oh, get over it!
> > >
> > > happy new perception!
> > > andrew
> > >
> > > --- Ava Mendoza <ava.mendoza at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > as a B#&#! myself, i wasn't aware that we powdering
> > > > p#$&!sies was a
> > > > thing that was done. in any case, lester young used
> > > > that expression at
> > > > least 50 years ago and at this point
> > > > maybe it's time it was not used anymore..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 12/28/06, eneidi at lmi.net <eneidi at lmi.net> wrote:
> > > > > i am making available a very short run of CDR's
> > > > from last july at the
> > > > > nickelsdorf konfrontationen festival.  this
> > > > concert was the last set
> > > > > at two am on friday night before an audience of
> > > > 400 - 500  21 july
> > > > > 2006. recorded by swiss national radio in their
> > > > remote truck. (really
> > > > > quite good)  we played a melody of various pieces
> > > > by raphe malik that
> > > > > was played as a quintet in nickelsdorf with glenn
> > > > spearman, larry
> > > > > roland and dennis warren in 1992. the sound
> > > > quality is quite good but
> > > > > unedited, just a straight run through of the
> > > > concert.
> > > > >
> > > > > the band is.. marco eneidi - alto saxophone, peter
> > > > brotzmann - tenor
> > > > > saxophone, thomas berghammer - trumpet, george
> > > > graewe - piano, martin
> > > > > siewert - guitars, radi "der hundt" electric bass
> > > > + electronics, hans
> > > > > falb - turntables, werner moebius - electronics,
> > > > dd kern - drums,
> > > > > bernhard breundl - drums
> > > > >
> > > > > i was only given ten days notice to put this group
> > > > together and only
> > > > > rehersed several people as solo and duo and the
> > > > the concert was the
> > > > > first time the whole group was together... so the
> > > > music is raw, rough,
> > > > > ready, quite down and nasty, and to quote lester
> > > > young " smooth, sweet
> > > > > and soft, just like a B#&#! powdering her pussy
> > > > after a shower"
> > > > > totaly rocking and swinging
> > > > > i think if raphe heard this he would lie still in
> > > > his grave and smile
> > > > > really worth hearing
> > > > >
> > > > > 69'39 playing time
> > > > >
> > > > > this is a no frilled CDr
> > > > > i only make 50 copies, as i have not the time or
> > > > patience for this
> > > > > sort of thing, but you are free to pass it along
> > > > to your friends who
> > > > > may just happen to be record producers, concert
> > > > promoters, festival
> > > > > organizers, booking agents.... (yes, i need work,
> > > > from solo to
> > > > > orchestra)
> > > > > $13 US or 10 euro...just to cover my cost of
> > > > sending and whatnot.. no
> > > > > profit on my part
> > > > >
> > > > > this may be sent directly to my bank account
> > > > >
> > > > > marco eneidi
> > > > > bank austria creditanstalt
> > > > > 52730 006 904
> > > > > blz - 12000
> > > > > swift bic - bkauatww
> > > > >
> > > > > or folded up bills to
> > > > >
> > > > > hernalsergurtel 24/28
> > > > > 1090 wien
> > > > > austria
> > > > >
> > > > > peace to all
> > > > > frohe weihnachten und alles gut in der nue jahre
> > > > >
> > > > > marco
> > > > > www.marcoeneidi.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>


-- 
www.avamendoza.com
www.myspace.com/avamendoza

From ingalls at mills.edu  Tue Jan  2 11:27:16 2007
From: ingalls at mills.edu (Matt J. Ingalls)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:27:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] DA-88 ??
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0701021120510.2474@myfiles.mills.edu>


Hello,

We are trying to borrow/rent a Tascam DA-88 for SF tape fest concert jan 
28 of stockhausen's "hymnen". Anybody out there have one or know some kind 
person that does?

Thanks,
matt

From ingalls at mills.edu  Tue Jan  2 11:30:18 2007
From: ingalls at mills.edu (Matt J. Ingalls)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 11:30:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] contact info resource
In-Reply-To: <C1BEAC68.17513%21grand@21grand.org>
References: <C1BEAC68.17513%21grand@21grand.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0701021129300.2474@myfiles.mills.edu>


you can also see the complete list of subscribers from this page:

http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
[ you have to enter your email and password first ]

-m

On Mon, 1 Jan 2007, Sarah - 21 Grand wrote:

> This is the 3rd post this week where people are posting looking for emails
> for people who post to this list, which are easily found by looking at the
> list archives:
>
> http://music.mills.edu/pipermail/newmusic/
>
> - a veritable treasure trove of usefulness ... if one is into research.
> Don't they teach you research skills in college anymore? And you want a
> student discount? Sheesh.
>
> sl
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:35:06 -0800 (PST)
>> From: maryclare brzytwa <mcbrzytwa at yahoo.com>
>> Subject: [NewMusic] ettrick
>> To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
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>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi .
>> DOes anyone know how to get ahold of Jacob from Ettrick?
>> muchos gracias.
>> xoxoox
>> mc
>
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From Mylesaudio at aol.com  Tue Jan  2 11:36:55 2007
From: Mylesaudio at aol.com (Mylesaudio at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 14:36:55 EST
Subject: [NewMusic] DA-88 ??
Message-ID: <cd4.4cd31d7.32cc0e57@aol.com>

You can rent these at Leo's Pro Audio in Oakland, 55th and Telegraph. 

Myles

In a message dated 1/2/07 11:27:35 AM, ingalls at mills.edu writes:


> We are trying to borrow/rent a Tascam DA-88 for SF tape fest concert jan
> 28 of stockhausen's "hymnen". Anybody out there have one or know some kind
> person that does?
> 


From jfheule at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 12:14:04 2007
From: jfheule at gmail.com (jacob felix heule)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 12:14:04 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Breakthrough in Grey Room playlist: 2006 Dec 20
Message-ID: <9c5cfa860701021214x37dc8e59ydce5c79fae7bb02f@mail.gmail.com>

This week's show is tonight, 11:59pm-3am (Tue. night/Wed. morning).
90.3 FM San Francisco
or online: http://heule.us/breakthrough/ (click "Online Broadcast")


Playlist from the last show:

2006 Dec 20

Otomo Yoshihide & Voice Crack, "@@@4," Bits, Bots and Signs [Erstwhile, 2000]
Belketre, "Guilty," March to the Black Holocaust (split with Vlad
Tepes) [Embassy, 1995]
Skullflower, "Saragossa," Tribulation [Crucial Blast, 2006]

Luigi Nono, "V. Tre Voci a," Prometeo [Angel, 1996]
Sunn o))) & Boris, "Akuma No Kuma," Altar [SOuthern Lord, 2006]

Iannis Xenakis, "Eonta, part 1," Metastasis/Pithoprakta/Eonta [Le
Chant Du Monde, 1993]

Sclippenbach Trio, "Winterreise 2," Winterreise [Psi, 2006]

Yellowcake, "The Prince of Wrongdoing (Mr. Unwilling Symptom),"
Yellowcake [Rastascan, 2006]
16 Bitch Pile-Up, "Live @ No Fun Fest," ADAD [self-released, 2006]

John Shiurba, "intro," 5x5 1.2=A [Rastascan/UN-Limited Sedition. 2006]
Otomo Yoshihide's New Jazz Orchestra, "Straight Up and Down ~ Will Be
Back," Out to Lunch [Doubt, 2006]

Gamelan Ensemble Lingkungan Seni Degung, "Palwa-Prawa," Gamelan
Degung: Classical Music of Sunda, West Java [Pan, 1996]
Ed Lewis, John Lee Moore, James Carter & Henry Mason, "Tom Devil,"
various ? Southern Journey Vol.5 - Bad Man Ballads [Rounder Select,
1997]

Anthony Braxton, "Solo (Comp. 8K)," This Time [BYG, 1970]
John Bischoff, "Piano 7Hz," Aperture [23five, 2003]
Andy Moor, Thomas Lehn & John Butcher, "Graphite," Thermal [Unsounds, 2003]

Leporidae, "Black Water," various - Women Take Back the Noise [Ubuibi, 2006]
Aube, "Re-Chant," various - Drone Records [Tumult, 2006]
Willie Nelson, "It's Not Supposed to Be that Way," Phases and Stages
[Atlantic, 1974]
Goodman/Gustafsson/Cremaschi, "9th Movement," They Were Gentle and
Pretty Pigs [Beak Doctor, 2002]
Tony Conrad, "Joan of Arc (1968)," Joan of Arc (1968) [Table of the
Elements, 2006]


http://heule.us/breakthrough/

From ingalls at mills.edu  Tue Jan  2 12:19:40 2007
From: ingalls at mills.edu (Matt J. Ingalls)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 12:19:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] DA-88 ??
In-Reply-To: <cd4.4cd31d7.32cc0e57@aol.com>
References: <cd4.4cd31d7.32cc0e57@aol.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0701021219000.2474@myfiles.mills.edu>


thanks myles, but i'm told
leo's doesn't carry them anymore

-m

On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 Mylesaudio at aol.com wrote:

> You can rent these at Leo's Pro Audio in Oakland, 55th and Telegraph.
>
> Myles
>
> In a message dated 1/2/07 11:27:35 AM, ingalls at mills.edu writes:
>
>
>> We are trying to borrow/rent a Tascam DA-88 for SF tape fest concert jan
>> 28 of stockhausen's "hymnen". Anybody out there have one or know some kind
>> person that does?
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From ingalls at mills.edu  Tue Jan  2 12:31:22 2007
From: ingalls at mills.edu (Matt J. Ingalls)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 12:31:22 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip
In-Reply-To: <001401c72ea1$8f619d60$4001a8c0@PG>
References: <001401c72ea1$8f619d60$4001a8c0@PG>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0701021225120.2474@myfiles.mills.edu>



Berklee School of Music, maybe? i know they have a turntable 
technique class:

http://www.berklee.edu/opi/2004/0217.html

-m

On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Phillip Greenlief wrote:

> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of dmichalak
>
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip
>
>> On the other hand, you have a better chance 1. working out if you play
>> drum machine rather than saxophone.
>>
>> Damon
>
> Where does one go to learn from the master musicians of the drum
> machine? D.
>
>
> PG:
> I would go to Saint Petersburg and study with my friend, Nadezhda
> Voskiboynik - she has amazing skills on the instrument. It's far, and
> very cold this time of year, but probably worth it.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From weaselw at juno.com  Tue Jan  2 12:38:11 2007
From: weaselw at juno.com (weasel walter)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 12:38:11 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip
Message-ID: <20070102.123814.3288.4.weaselw@juno.com>

ikue mori.

ww
 
> Where does one go to learn from the master musicians of the drum 
> machine? D.

From jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com  Tue Jan  2 12:41:16 2007
From: jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com (Jacob Lindsay)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 12:41:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip
In-Reply-To: <3042d532ace598dc792b41dd23ccd48a@balancepointacoustics.com>
Message-ID: <20070102204116.85399.qmail@web58009.mail.re3.yahoo.com>


--- Damon Smith <damon at balancepointacoustics.com>
wrote:
> I also think the most efficient use of this period
> is to make use of 
> all the available information.


TOO MUCH INFORMATION
RUNNING THROUGH MY BRAIN
TOO MUCH INFORMATION
DRIVING ME INSANE

Jacob Lindsay
http://www.bayimproviser.com/artistdetail.asp?artist_id=44
http://www.myspace.com/mryellowcake

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From polly.moller at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 12:46:53 2007
From: polly.moller at gmail.com (Polly Moller)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 12:46:53 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip
In-Reply-To: <20070102204116.85399.qmail@web58009.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <3042d532ace598dc792b41dd23ccd48a@balancepointacoustics.com>
	<20070102204116.85399.qmail@web58009.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2eb068d40701021246o1b94c4f0pde927278ec4c7e3@mail.gmail.com>

Police bin under Rock!!!!! :) :) :)

On 1/2/07, Jacob Lindsay <jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> --- Damon Smith <damon at balancepointacoustics.com>
> wrote:
> > I also think the most efficient use of this period
> > is to make use of
> > all the available information.
>
>
> TOO MUCH INFORMATION
> RUNNING THROUGH MY BRAIN
> TOO MUCH INFORMATION
> DRIVING ME INSANE
>
> Jacob Lindsay
> http://www.bayimproviser.com/artistdetail.asp?artist_id=44
> http://www.myspace.com/mryellowcake
>
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From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com  Tue Jan  2 12:48:25 2007
From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 12:48:25 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Christian Lauba
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0701021225120.2474@myfiles.mills.edu>
References: <001401c72ea1$8f619d60$4001a8c0@PG>
	<Pine.LNX.4.60.0701021225120.2474@myfiles.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <78bf55157962d253806ac558011503c4@matthewgoodheart.com>

Hey folks-

This discussion's probably happened here before, but I was just 
curious. I arbitrarily picked up a copy of Christian Lauba's ACCORD Cd 
a few weeks ago, and wondered what folks thought about his music, 
particularly the saxophone stuff.

-mg


From ingalls at mills.edu  Tue Jan  2 12:53:24 2007
From: ingalls at mills.edu (Matt J. Ingalls)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 12:53:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] raphe malik tribute CD
In-Reply-To: <44336.88257.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <44336.88257.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0701021250420.2474@myfiles.mills.edu>


while we are on the topic,
i wouldn't mind if i stopped seeing the word "sausage" on this 
list!



On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Ernesto Diaz-Infante wrote:

> Why don't you buck up, guy?
> Why don't you get over it?
> Why don't you get over the fact that this
> discussion list isn't for men's eyes only,
> and accept a response to some blatant sexism
> with some grace?
>
> give it a try.
> Ernesto
> --- andrew wilshusen <liberatednsf at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> or alternatively, maybe we need more powdered
>> pussies....  i mean, i don't know anything
>> about them
>> but they sound good to me.
>>
>> what?  oh, get over it!
>>
>> happy new perception!
>> andrew
>>
>>
>>
>> --- Ava Mendoza <ava.mendoza at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> as a B#&#! myself, i wasn't aware that we
>> powdering
>>> p#$&!sies was a
>>> thing that was done. in any case, lester
>> young used
>>> that expression at
>>> least 50 years ago and at this point
>>> maybe it's time it was not used anymore..
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12/28/06, eneidi at lmi.net <eneidi at lmi.net>
>> wrote:
>>>> i am making available a very short run of
>> CDR's
>>> from last july at the
>>>> nickelsdorf konfrontationen festival.  this
>>> concert was the last set
>>>> at two am on friday night before an
>> audience of
>>> 400 - 500  21 july
>>>> 2006. recorded by swiss national radio in
>> their
>>> remote truck. (really
>>>> quite good)  we played a melody of various
>> pieces
>>> by raphe malik that
>>>> was played as a quintet in nickelsdorf with
>> glenn
>>> spearman, larry
>>>> roland and dennis warren in 1992. the sound
>>> quality is quite good but
>>>> unedited, just a straight run through of
>> the
>>> concert.
>>>>
>>>> the band is.. marco eneidi - alto
>> saxophone, peter
>>> brotzmann - tenor
>>>> saxophone, thomas berghammer - trumpet,
>> george
>>> graewe - piano, martin
>>>> siewert - guitars, radi "der hundt"
>> electric bass
>>> + electronics, hans
>>>> falb - turntables, werner moebius -
>> electronics,
>>> dd kern - drums,
>>>> bernhard breundl - drums
>>>>
>>>> i was only given ten days notice to put
>> this group
>>> together and only
>>>> rehersed several people as solo and duo and
>> the
>>> the concert was the
>>>> first time the whole group was together...
>> so the
>>> music is raw, rough,
>>>> ready, quite down and nasty, and to quote
>> lester
>>> young " smooth, sweet
>>>> and soft, just like a B#&#! powdering her
>> pussy
>>> after a shower"
>>>> totaly rocking and swinging
>>>> i think if raphe heard this he would lie
>> still in
>>> his grave and smile
>>>> really worth hearing
>>>>
>>>> 69'39 playing time
>>>>
>>>> this is a no frilled CDr
>>>> i only make 50 copies, as i have not the
>> time or
>>> patience for this
>>>> sort of thing, but you are free to pass it
>> along
>>> to your friends who
>>>> may just happen to be record producers,
>> concert
>>> promoters, festival
>>>> organizers, booking agents.... (yes, i need
>> work,
>>> from solo to
>>>> orchestra)
>>>> $13 US or 10 euro...just to cover my cost
>> of
>>> sending and whatnot.. no
>>>> profit on my part
>>>>
>>>> this may be sent directly to my bank
>> account
>>>>
>>>> marco eneidi
>>>> bank austria creditanstalt
>>>> 52730 006 904
>>>> blz - 12000
>>>> swift bic - bkauatww
>>>>
>>>> or folded up bills to
>>>>
>>>> hernalsergurtel 24/28
>>>> 1090 wien
>>>> austria
>>>>
>>>> peace to all
>>>> frohe weihnachten und alles gut in der nue
>> jahre
>>>>
>>>> marco
>>>> www.marcoeneidi.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>>>>
>>
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> www.myspace.com/avamendoza
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>>>
>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
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From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 12:54:02 2007
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 12:54:02 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip
In-Reply-To: <20070102.123814.3288.4.weaselw@juno.com>
References: <20070102.123814.3288.4.weaselw@juno.com>
Message-ID: <c70e517b0701021254t74316623q142df9668e24a73d@mail.gmail.com>

I believe Ikue has stopped using drum machine, to become one of those
"laptop people".

...but why would one have to study with a drum machine person? I've learned
a lot from people who don't play my instrument.

On 1/2/07, weasel walter <weaselw at juno.com> wrote:
>
> ikue mori.
>
> ww
>
> > Where does one go to learn from the master musicians of the drum
> > machine? D.

From polly.moller at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 13:00:07 2007
From: polly.moller at gmail.com (Polly Moller)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:00:07 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] raphe malik tribute CD
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0701021250420.2474@myfiles.mills.edu>
References: <44336.88257.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.60.0701021250420.2474@myfiles.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <2eb068d40701021300q12cc4a07j4fce39160f08c6a1@mail.gmail.com>

Do any actual sausages read this list and thereby become offended by
so many jokes at their expense?
;)

On 1/2/07, Matt J. Ingalls <ingalls at mills.edu> wrote:
>
> while we are on the topic,
> i wouldn't mind if i stopped seeing the word "sausage" on this
> list!
>
>
>
> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Ernesto Diaz-Infante wrote:
>
> > Why don't you buck up, guy?
> > Why don't you get over it?
> > Why don't you get over the fact that this
> > discussion list isn't for men's eyes only,
> > and accept a response to some blatant sexism
> > with some grace?
> >
> > give it a try.
> > Ernesto
> > --- andrew wilshusen <liberatednsf at yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> or alternatively, maybe we need more powdered
> >> pussies....  i mean, i don't know anything
> >> about them
> >> but they sound good to me.
> >>
> >> what?  oh, get over it!
> >>
> >> happy new perception!
> >> andrew
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --- Ava Mendoza <ava.mendoza at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> as a B#&#! myself, i wasn't aware that we
> >> powdering
> >>> p#$&!sies was a
> >>> thing that was done. in any case, lester
> >> young used
> >>> that expression at
> >>> least 50 years ago and at this point
> >>> maybe it's time it was not used anymore..
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 12/28/06, eneidi at lmi.net <eneidi at lmi.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>>> i am making available a very short run of
> >> CDR's
> >>> from last july at the
> >>>> nickelsdorf konfrontationen festival.  this
> >>> concert was the last set
> >>>> at two am on friday night before an
> >> audience of
> >>> 400 - 500  21 july
> >>>> 2006. recorded by swiss national radio in
> >> their
> >>> remote truck. (really
> >>>> quite good)  we played a melody of various
> >> pieces
> >>> by raphe malik that
> >>>> was played as a quintet in nickelsdorf with
> >> glenn
> >>> spearman, larry
> >>>> roland and dennis warren in 1992. the sound
> >>> quality is quite good but
> >>>> unedited, just a straight run through of
> >> the
> >>> concert.
> >>>>
> >>>> the band is.. marco eneidi - alto
> >> saxophone, peter
> >>> brotzmann - tenor
> >>>> saxophone, thomas berghammer - trumpet,
> >> george
> >>> graewe - piano, martin
> >>>> siewert - guitars, radi "der hundt"
> >> electric bass
> >>> + electronics, hans
> >>>> falb - turntables, werner moebius -
> >> electronics,
> >>> dd kern - drums,
> >>>> bernhard breundl - drums
> >>>>
> >>>> i was only given ten days notice to put
> >> this group
> >>> together and only
> >>>> rehersed several people as solo and duo and
> >> the
> >>> the concert was the
> >>>> first time the whole group was together...
> >> so the
> >>> music is raw, rough,
> >>>> ready, quite down and nasty, and to quote
> >> lester
> >>> young " smooth, sweet
> >>>> and soft, just like a B#&#! powdering her
> >> pussy
> >>> after a shower"
> >>>> totaly rocking and swinging
> >>>> i think if raphe heard this he would lie
> >> still in
> >>> his grave and smile
> >>>> really worth hearing
> >>>>
> >>>> 69'39 playing time
> >>>>
> >>>> this is a no frilled CDr
> >>>> i only make 50 copies, as i have not the
> >> time or
> >>> patience for this
> >>>> sort of thing, but you are free to pass it
> >> along
> >>> to your friends who
> >>>> may just happen to be record producers,
> >> concert
> >>> promoters, festival
> >>>> organizers, booking agents.... (yes, i need
> >> work,
> >>> from solo to
> >>>> orchestra)
> >>>> $13 US or 10 euro...just to cover my cost
> >> of
> >>> sending and whatnot.. no
> >>>> profit on my part
> >>>>
> >>>> this may be sent directly to my bank
> >> account
> >>>>
> >>>> marco eneidi
> >>>> bank austria creditanstalt
> >>>> 52730 006 904
> >>>> blz - 12000
> >>>> swift bic - bkauatww
> >>>>
> >>>> or folded up bills to
> >>>>
> >>>> hernalsergurtel 24/28
> >>>> 1090 wien
> >>>> austria
> >>>>
> >>>> peace to all
> >>>> frohe weihnachten und alles gut in der nue
> >> jahre
> >>>>
> >>>> marco
> >>>> www.marcoeneidi.com
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> >>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> >>>>
> >>
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> www.avamendoza.com
> >>> www.myspace.com/avamendoza
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> >>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> >>>
> >>
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> > __________________________________________________
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> >> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
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> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
> > ______________________________________________________________________
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> > http://www.stasisfield.com/releases/year04/sf-4003.html
> >
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> >
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From 21grand at 21grand.org  Tue Jan  2 13:03:49 2007
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 13:03:49 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic]  Matt and Phillip
Message-ID: <C1C008B5.17572%21grand@21grand.org>

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/falsedilemmas.html

for information on countless other logical fallacies see

http://www.logicalfallacies.info/

sl

Matt Davignon wrote:
...but why would one have to study with a drum machine person? I've learned
a lot from people who don't play my instrument.


From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com  Tue Jan  2 13:05:52 2007
From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:05:52 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] raphe malik tribute CD
In-Reply-To: <2eb068d40701021300q12cc4a07j4fce39160f08c6a1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <44336.88257.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.60.0701021250420.2474@myfiles.mills.edu>
	<2eb068d40701021300q12cc4a07j4fce39160f08c6a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <039e323f03d109d547f48699f23b9f3c@matthewgoodheart.com>


On Jan 2, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Polly Moller wrote:

> Do any actual sausages read this list and thereby become offended by
> so many jokes at their expense?

Only by references to powdering one's sausages. . .


> On 1/2/07, Matt J. Ingalls <ingalls at mills.edu> wrote:
>>
>> while we are on the topic,
>> i wouldn't mind if i stopped seeing the word "sausage" on this
>> list!
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Ernesto Diaz-Infante wrote:
>>
>>> Why don't you buck up, guy?
>>> Why don't you get over it?
>>> Why don't you get over the fact that this
>>> discussion list isn't for men's eyes only,
>>> and accept a response to some blatant sexism
>>> with some grace?
>>>
>>> give it a try.
>>> Ernesto
>>> --- andrew wilshusen <liberatednsf at yahoo.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> or alternatively, maybe we need more powdered
>>>> pussies....  i mean, i don't know anything
>>>> about them
>>>> but they sound good to me.
>>>>
>>>> what?  oh, get over it!
>>>>
>>>> happy new perception!
>>>> andrew
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --- Ava Mendoza <ava.mendoza at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> as a B#&#! myself, i wasn't aware that we
>>>> powdering
>>>>> p#$&!sies was a
>>>>> thing that was done. in any case, lester
>>>> young used
>>>>> that expression at
>>>>> least 50 years ago and at this point
>>>>> maybe it's time it was not used anymore..
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/28/06, eneidi at lmi.net <eneidi at lmi.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> i am making available a very short run of
>>>> CDR's
>>>>> from last july at the
>>>>>> nickelsdorf konfrontationen festival.  this
>>>>> concert was the last set
>>>>>> at two am on friday night before an
>>>> audience of
>>>>> 400 - 500  21 july
>>>>>> 2006. recorded by swiss national radio in
>>>> their
>>>>> remote truck. (really
>>>>>> quite good)  we played a melody of various
>>>> pieces
>>>>> by raphe malik that
>>>>>> was played as a quintet in nickelsdorf with
>>>> glenn
>>>>> spearman, larry
>>>>>> roland and dennis warren in 1992. the sound
>>>>> quality is quite good but
>>>>>> unedited, just a straight run through of
>>>> the
>>>>> concert.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the band is.. marco eneidi - alto
>>>> saxophone, peter
>>>>> brotzmann - tenor
>>>>>> saxophone, thomas berghammer - trumpet,
>>>> george
>>>>> graewe - piano, martin
>>>>>> siewert - guitars, radi "der hundt"
>>>> electric bass
>>>>> + electronics, hans
>>>>>> falb - turntables, werner moebius -
>>>> electronics,
>>>>> dd kern - drums,
>>>>>> bernhard breundl - drums
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i was only given ten days notice to put
>>>> this group
>>>>> together and only
>>>>>> rehersed several people as solo and duo and
>>>> the
>>>>> the concert was the
>>>>>> first time the whole group was together...
>>>> so the
>>>>> music is raw, rough,
>>>>>> ready, quite down and nasty, and to quote
>>>> lester
>>>>> young " smooth, sweet
>>>>>> and soft, just like a B#&#! powdering her
>>>> pussy
>>>>> after a shower"
>>>>>> totaly rocking and swinging
>>>>>> i think if raphe heard this he would lie
>>>> still in
>>>>> his grave and smile
>>>>>> really worth hearing
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 69'39 playing time
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this is a no frilled CDr
>>>>>> i only make 50 copies, as i have not the
>>>> time or
>>>>> patience for this
>>>>>> sort of thing, but you are free to pass it
>>>> along
>>>>> to your friends who
>>>>>> may just happen to be record producers,
>>>> concert
>>>>> promoters, festival
>>>>>> organizers, booking agents.... (yes, i need
>>>> work,
>>>>> from solo to
>>>>>> orchestra)
>>>>>> $13 US or 10 euro...just to cover my cost
>>>> of
>>>>> sending and whatnot.. no
>>>>>> profit on my part
>>>>>>
>>>>>> this may be sent directly to my bank
>>>> account
>>>>>>
>>>>>> marco eneidi
>>>>>> bank austria creditanstalt
>>>>>> 52730 006 904
>>>>>> blz - 12000
>>>>>> swift bic - bkauatww
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or folded up bills to
>>>>>>
>>>>>> hernalsergurtel 24/28
>>>>>> 1090 wien
>>>>>> austria
>>>>>>
>>>>>> peace to all
>>>>>> frohe weihnachten und alles gut in der nue
>>>> jahre
>>>>>>
>>>>>> marco
>>>>>> www.marcoeneidi.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>>>>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> www.avamendoza.com
>>>>> www.myspace.com/avamendoza
>>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>>>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> __________________________________________________
>>>> Do You Yahoo!?
>>>> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
>>>> protection around
>>>> http://mail.yahoo.com
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>>>>
>>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _____________________________________________________________________ 
>>> _
>>> http://www.paxrecordings.com/ernesto
>>> http://www.stasisfield.com/releases/year04/sf-4003.html
>>>
>>> __________________________________________________
>>> Do You Yahoo!?
>>> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
>>> http://mail.yahoo.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>
>
>
> -- 
> -------------------------------------
> http://www.pollymoller.com
> -------------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>


From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com  Tue Jan  2 13:11:36 2007
From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:11:36 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip
In-Reply-To: <C1C008B5.17572%21grand@21grand.org>
References: <C1C008B5.17572%21grand@21grand.org>
Message-ID: <bcb49cb178ef8c919c0d8481260e5436@matthewgoodheart.com>


On Jan 2, 2007, at 1:03 PM, Sarah - 21 Grand wrote:

> http://www.logicalfallacies.info/

. . .  the entire FOX news network summed up in one simple site. . .


From 21grand at 21grand.org  Tue Jan  2 13:17:25 2007
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 13:17:25 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic]  Matt and Phillip
Message-ID: <C1C00BE5.17575%21grand@21grand.org>

On Jan 2, 2007, at 1:03 PM, Sarah - 21 Grand wrote:

> http://www.logicalfallacies.info/

mg: . . .  the entire FOX news network summed up in one simple site. . .

- as well as Phil Freeman's balls-rocking posts on bagatellen

sl


From dmichalak at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan  2 13:27:19 2007
From: dmichalak at sbcglobal.net (dmichalak)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 13:27:19 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip
References: <20070102.123814.3288.4.weaselw@juno.com>
	<c70e517b0701021254t74316623q142df9668e24a73d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002201c72eb4$cf194800$6601a8c0@MARIE>

...but why would one have to study with a drum machine person? I've learned
a lot from people who don't play my instrument.

...back to #1 again. The # 2 approach suggests learning from the masters. D.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matt Davignon" <mattdavignon at gmail.com>
To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip


>I believe Ikue has stopped using drum machine, to become one of those
> "laptop people".
>
> ...but why would one have to study with a drum machine person? I've 
> learned
> a lot from people who don't play my instrument.
>
> On 1/2/07, weasel walter <weaselw at juno.com> wrote:
>>
>> ikue mori.
>>
>> ww
>>
>> > Where does one go to learn from the master musicians of the drum
>> > machine? D.
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic 


From polly.moller at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 15:52:08 2007
From: polly.moller at gmail.com (Polly Moller)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:52:08 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] raphe malik tribute CD
In-Reply-To: <039e323f03d109d547f48699f23b9f3c@matthewgoodheart.com>
References: <44336.88257.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.60.0701021250420.2474@myfiles.mills.edu>
	<2eb068d40701021300q12cc4a07j4fce39160f08c6a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<039e323f03d109d547f48699f23b9f3c@matthewgoodheart.com>
Message-ID: <2eb068d40701021552m50767dasa8fb307d46675ecb@mail.gmail.com>

Sausage has a MySpace profile.  I guess we could ask him. ;)
http://www.myspace.com/i_8_my_sausage

P.

On 1/2/07, Matthew Goodheart <matthew at matthewgoodheart.com> wrote:
>
> On Jan 2, 2007, at 1:00 PM, Polly Moller wrote:
>
> > Do any actual sausages read this list and thereby become offended by
> > so many jokes at their expense?
>
> Only by references to powdering one's sausages. . .
>
>
> > On 1/2/07, Matt J. Ingalls <ingalls at mills.edu> wrote:
> >>
> >> while we are on the topic,
> >> i wouldn't mind if i stopped seeing the word "sausage" on this
> >> list!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, Ernesto Diaz-Infante wrote:
> >>
> >>> Why don't you buck up, guy?
> >>> Why don't you get over it?
> >>> Why don't you get over the fact that this
> >>> discussion list isn't for men's eyes only,
> >>> and accept a response to some blatant sexism
> >>> with some grace?
> >>>
> >>> give it a try.
> >>> Ernesto
> >>> --- andrew wilshusen <liberatednsf at yahoo.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> or alternatively, maybe we need more powdered
> >>>> pussies....  i mean, i don't know anything
> >>>> about them
> >>>> but they sound good to me.
> >>>>
> >>>> what?  oh, get over it!
> >>>>
> >>>> happy new perception!
> >>>> andrew
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --- Ava Mendoza <ava.mendoza at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> as a B#&#! myself, i wasn't aware that we
> >>>> powdering
> >>>>> p#$&!sies was a
> >>>>> thing that was done. in any case, lester
> >>>> young used
> >>>>> that expression at
> >>>>> least 50 years ago and at this point
> >>>>> maybe it's time it was not used anymore..
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 12/28/06, eneidi at lmi.net <eneidi at lmi.net>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> i am making available a very short run of
> >>>> CDR's
> >>>>> from last july at the
> >>>>>> nickelsdorf konfrontationen festival.  this
> >>>>> concert was the last set
> >>>>>> at two am on friday night before an
> >>>> audience of
> >>>>> 400 - 500  21 july
> >>>>>> 2006. recorded by swiss national radio in
> >>>> their
> >>>>> remote truck. (really
> >>>>>> quite good)  we played a melody of various
> >>>> pieces
> >>>>> by raphe malik that
> >>>>>> was played as a quintet in nickelsdorf with
> >>>> glenn
> >>>>> spearman, larry
> >>>>>> roland and dennis warren in 1992. the sound
> >>>>> quality is quite good but
> >>>>>> unedited, just a straight run through of
> >>>> the
> >>>>> concert.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> the band is.. marco eneidi - alto
> >>>> saxophone, peter
> >>>>> brotzmann - tenor
> >>>>>> saxophone, thomas berghammer - trumpet,
> >>>> george
> >>>>> graewe - piano, martin
> >>>>>> siewert - guitars, radi "der hundt"
> >>>> electric bass
> >>>>> + electronics, hans
> >>>>>> falb - turntables, werner moebius -
> >>>> electronics,
> >>>>> dd kern - drums,
> >>>>>> bernhard breundl - drums
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> i was only given ten days notice to put
> >>>> this group
> >>>>> together and only
> >>>>>> rehersed several people as solo and duo and
> >>>> the
> >>>>> the concert was the
> >>>>>> first time the whole group was together...
> >>>> so the
> >>>>> music is raw, rough,
> >>>>>> ready, quite down and nasty, and to quote
> >>>> lester
> >>>>> young " smooth, sweet
> >>>>>> and soft, just like a B#&#! powdering her
> >>>> pussy
> >>>>> after a shower"
> >>>>>> totaly rocking and swinging
> >>>>>> i think if raphe heard this he would lie
> >>>> still in
> >>>>> his grave and smile
> >>>>>> really worth hearing
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> 69'39 playing time
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> this is a no frilled CDr
> >>>>>> i only make 50 copies, as i have not the
> >>>> time or
> >>>>> patience for this
> >>>>>> sort of thing, but you are free to pass it
> >>>> along
> >>>>> to your friends who
> >>>>>> may just happen to be record producers,
> >>>> concert
> >>>>> promoters, festival
> >>>>>> organizers, booking agents.... (yes, i need
> >>>> work,
> >>>>> from solo to
> >>>>>> orchestra)
> >>>>>> $13 US or 10 euro...just to cover my cost
> >>>> of
> >>>>> sending and whatnot.. no
> >>>>>> profit on my part
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> this may be sent directly to my bank
> >>>> account
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> marco eneidi
> >>>>>> bank austria creditanstalt
> >>>>>> 52730 006 904
> >>>>>> blz - 12000
> >>>>>> swift bic - bkauatww
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> or folded up bills to
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> hernalsergurtel 24/28
> >>>>>> 1090 wien
> >>>>>> austria
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> peace to all
> >>>>>> frohe weihnachten und alles gut in der nue
> >>>> jahre
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> marco
> >>>>>> www.marcoeneidi.com
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> >>>>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> www.avamendoza.com
> >>>>> www.myspace.com/avamendoza
> >>>>>
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> >>>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>>> Do You Yahoo!?
> >>>> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> >>>> protection around
> >>>> http://mail.yahoo.com
> >>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> >>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> >>>>
> >>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _____________________________________________________________________
> >>> _
> >>> http://www.paxrecordings.com/ernesto
> >>> http://www.stasisfield.com/releases/year04/sf-4003.html
> >>>
> >>> __________________________________________________
> >>> Do You Yahoo!?
> >>> Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around
> >>> http://mail.yahoo.com
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> >>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> >>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> >> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> >> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > -------------------------------------
> > http://www.pollymoller.com
> > -------------------------------------
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>


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-------------------------------------
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From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Tue Jan  2 15:52:31 2007
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 15:52:31 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip
In-Reply-To: <002201c72eb4$cf194800$6601a8c0@MARIE>
Message-ID: <004801c72ec9$11eeb7f0$4001a8c0@PG>

-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of dmichalak
 
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip

...but why would one have to study with a drum machine person? I've
learned
a lot from people who don't play my instrument.

...back to #1 again. The # 2 approach suggests learning from the
masters. D.

PG:
I was only half-jesting - obviously St. Petersburg is a long way to trek
for a lesson. But if I was a drum machine player, Nadezhda's someone I
would want to play with. 


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Matt Davignon" <mattdavignon at gmail.com>
To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip


>I believe Ikue has stopped using drum machine, to become one of those
> "laptop people".
>
> ...but why would one have to study with a drum machine person? I've 
> learned
> a lot from people who don't play my instrument.
>
> On 1/2/07, weasel walter <weaselw at juno.com> wrote:
>>
>> ikue mori.
>>
>> ww
>>
>> > Where does one go to learn from the master musicians of the drum
>> > machine? D.
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic 

_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


From damon at balancepointacoustics.com  Tue Jan  2 16:07:52 2007
From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:07:52 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] raphe malik tribute CD
In-Reply-To: <2eb068d40701021300q12cc4a07j4fce39160f08c6a1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <44336.88257.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.60.0701021250420.2474@myfiles.mills.edu>
	<2eb068d40701021300q12cc4a07j4fce39160f08c6a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d358d7e9ef84dc4814d27acbb71987bd@balancepointacoustics.com>

Ok, first of all we are talking about a Raphe Malik tribute organized 
by Marco Eneidi. Two great musicians that came up in the NYC free jazz 
scene of the 70s and 80s, that scene had some great qualities but 
political correctness was not one of them. That scene was raw, filled 
with drugs, crime, sex and violence.
Also, the quote in question is by Lester Young who's circle was also 
very different from ours, I am sure we could dig up some offensive 
quotes about  men from BIllie Holiday or Bessie Smith if we tried. I 
would also guess that Mr. Young meant it affectionately.

Secondly, Marco is one of my best friends and my primary musical 
mentor, I know him well and have watched him in many situations, one 
thing I noticed early on is that unlike a lot of musicians with outward 
P.C. appearances, he would always treat female musicians with equality 
on the bandstand, and often be one of the first to actually give women 
a chance to play in an equal setting, where (due to the fact that so 
many of the female musicians are classically trained) other men would 
only ask them to play their compositions, and then call the fellas 
again when it was time to "play".
While I would not say the Lester Young quote was appropriate for 
ba-newmus I would say that actions speak much louder than words on both 
sides of this issue.

Damon


From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Tue Jan  2 16:12:15 2007
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:12:15 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] raphe malik tribute CD
In-Reply-To: <317505170701021126o660d11f8r75aecaffdf025af3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001c72ecb$d3c12dc0$4001a8c0@PG>

-----Original Message-----
From: newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu
[mailto:newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu] On Behalf Of Ava Mendoza
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 11:27 AM
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] raphe malik tribute CD

in defense of marco he wrote me a nice e-mail apologizing for any
offense, so apparently there are some lines of something open.


PG:
I'm glad to hear it. 




From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Tue Jan  2 16:16:48 2007
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:16:48 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip
In-Reply-To: <bcb49cb178ef8c919c0d8481260e5436@matthewgoodheart.com>
Message-ID: <000101c72ecc$763ffea0$4001a8c0@PG>

-----Original Message-----
From: newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu
[mailto:newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Goodheart
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 1:12 PM
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Matt and Phillip


On Jan 2, 2007, at 1:03 PM, Sarah - 21 Grand wrote:

> http://www.logicalfallacies.info/

. . .  the entire FOX news network summed up in one simple site. . .

 PG:

Great post, Sarah!



From ava.mendoza at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 16:47:38 2007
From: ava.mendoza at gmail.com (Ava Mendoza)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:47:38 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] raphe malik tribute CD
In-Reply-To: <d358d7e9ef84dc4814d27acbb71987bd@balancepointacoustics.com>
References: <44336.88257.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.60.0701021250420.2474@myfiles.mills.edu>
	<2eb068d40701021300q12cc4a07j4fce39160f08c6a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<d358d7e9ef84dc4814d27acbb71987bd@balancepointacoustics.com>
Message-ID: <317505170701021647v6490237fv955554ed873ec854@mail.gmail.com>

On 1/2/07, Damon Smith <damon at balancepointacoustics.com> wrote:
>
> Ok, first of all we are talking about a Raphe Malik tribute organized
> by Marco Eneidi. Two great musicians that came up in the NYC free jazz
> scene of the 70s and 80s, that scene had some great qualities but
> political correctness was not one of them. That scene was raw, filled
> with drugs, crime, sex and violence.
> Also, the quote in question is by Lester Young who's circle was also
> very different from ours, I am sure we could dig up some offensive
> quotes about  men from BIllie Holiday or Bessie Smith if we tried. I
> would also guess that Mr. Young meant it affectionately.


i agree.. although i imagine that lots of sexist things have been said by
lots of men who had lots of genuine affection (of one kind of another) for
women.

for me marco eneidi's character as a human being isn't in question, and
neither is lester young's. i respect both of their musics, their
backgrounds, the NYC free jazz scene, the early jazz scene that Young was
in, and their right to speak their minds etc..

my only point was that i, speaking my mind, don't want to feel like i am
walking into a frathouse when i open an e-mail from banewmus. especially
when it's an e-mail with otherwise interesting info about what seems like
a really cool record. i suspect that there are a bunch of other people on
this list--women and men--who feel the same way, just as they wouldn't want
to read racial slurs on here.. ok....


-- 
www.avamendoza.com
www.myspace.com/avamendoza

From damon at balancepointacoustics.com  Tue Jan  2 16:52:50 2007
From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 16:52:50 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] raphe malik tribute CD
In-Reply-To: <317505170701021647v6490237fv955554ed873ec854@mail.gmail.com>
References: <44336.88257.qm@web32202.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.60.0701021250420.2474@myfiles.mills.edu>
	<2eb068d40701021300q12cc4a07j4fce39160f08c6a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<d358d7e9ef84dc4814d27acbb71987bd@balancepointacoustics.com>
	<317505170701021647v6490237fv955554ed873ec854@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ac3ee1679cb08e9eb8461fc4584601f1@balancepointacoustics.com>

I also agree with you (and Polly), I was just trying to add some 
perspective, You already handled the other side.

Damon

On Jan 2, 2007, at 4:47 PM, Ava Mendoza wrote:

> On 1/2/07, Damon Smith <damon at balancepointacoustics.com> wrote:
>>
>> Ok, first of all we are talking about a Raphe Malik tribute organized
>> by Marco Eneidi. Two great musicians that came up in the NYC free jazz
>> scene of the 70s and 80s, that scene had some great qualities but
>> political correctness was not one of them. That scene was raw, filled
>> with drugs, crime, sex and violence.
>> Also, the quote in question is by Lester Young who's circle was also
>> very different from ours, I am sure we could dig up some offensive
>> quotes about  men from BIllie Holiday or Bessie Smith if we tried. I
>> would also guess that Mr. Young meant it affectionately.
>
>
> i agree.. although i imagine that lots of sexist things have been said 
> by
> lots of men who had lots of genuine affection (of one kind of another) 
> for
> women.
>
> for me marco eneidi's character as a human being isn't in question, and
> neither is lester young's. i respect both of their musics, their
> backgrounds, the NYC free jazz scene, the early jazz scene that Young 
> was
> in, and their right to speak their minds etc..
>
> my only point was that i, speaking my mind, don't want to feel like i 
> am
> walking into a frathouse when i open an e-mail from banewmus. 
> especially
> when it's an e-mail with otherwise interesting info about what seems 
> like
> a really cool record. i suspect that there are a bunch of other people 
> on
> this list--women and men--who feel the same way, just as they wouldn't 
> want
> to read racial slurs on here.. ok....
>
>
> -- 
> www.avamendoza.com
> www.myspace.com/avamendoza
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>


From ava.mendoza at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 17:49:13 2007
From: ava.mendoza at gmail.com (Ava Mendoza)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:49:13 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] yuji takahashi powder
Message-ID: <317505170701021749y6dd98225t8231f9ce6abb9722@mail.gmail.com>

i have been listening to Finger Light, yuji takahashi's record on
tzadik a bunch recently. there is a solo piano piece on it (called
Finger Light) that has really put me in awe of him.. the score is all
very detailed fingerings but no actual pitches, so it is all about
these physical patterns that repeat in different ways throughout the
piece..he is playing piano on it and it is pretty amazing playing.
does anyone know about any of his other piano works? there are some
really nice pieces on this record for shamisen also, but i would
really like to hear more of his piano things if i can find them..
don't know much about his music really..



-- 
www.avamendoza.com
www.myspace.com/avamendoza

From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Tue Jan  2 18:01:34 2007
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:01:34 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] yuji takahashi powder
In-Reply-To: <317505170701021749y6dd98225t8231f9ce6abb9722@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001e01c72edb$19489090$4001a8c0@PG>

-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Ava Mendoza
Subject: [NewMusic] yuji takahashi powder

i have been listening to Finger Light, yuji takahashi's record on
tzadik a bunch recently. there is a solo piano piece on it (called
Finger Light) that has really put me in awe of him.. the score is all
very detailed fingerings but no actual pitches, so it is all about
these physical patterns that repeat in different ways throughout the
piece..he is playing piano on it and it is pretty amazing playing.
does anyone know about any of his other piano works? there are some
really nice pieces on this record for shamisen also, but i would
really like to hear more of his piano things if i can find them..
don't know much about his music really..


PG:
Nice review - sounds like I need to check it out.


From damon at balancepointacoustics.com  Tue Jan  2 18:01:37 2007
From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:01:37 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] yuji takahashi powder
In-Reply-To: <317505170701021749y6dd98225t8231f9ce6abb9722@mail.gmail.com>
References: <317505170701021749y6dd98225t8231f9ce6abb9722@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78a56ac705f6e6f605f364ed02ded3d3@balancepointacoustics.com>

I like his duo with Jo?lle a lot on "Signature: live at the Egg Farm"

On Jan 2, 2007, at 5:49 PM, Ava Mendoza wrote:

> i have been listening to Finger Light, yuji takahashi's record on
> tzadik a bunch recently. there is a solo piano piece on it (called
> Finger Light) that has really put me in awe of him.. the score is all
> very detailed fingerings but no actual pitches, so it is all about
> these physical patterns that repeat in different ways throughout the
> piece..he is playing piano on it and it is pretty amazing playing.
> does anyone know about any of his other piano works? there are some
> really nice pieces on this record for shamisen also, but i would
> really like to hear more of his piano things if i can find them..
> don't know much about his music really..
>
>
>
> -- 
> www.avamendoza.com
> www.myspace.com/avamendoza
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>

From jim at majornet.com  Tue Jan  2 20:02:39 2007
From: jim at majornet.com (JimRyan)
Date: Tue, 02 Jan 2007 20:02:39 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] contact info resource
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0701021129300.2474@myfiles.mills.edu>
References: <C1BEAC68.17513%21grand@21grand.org>
	<C1BEAC68.17513%21grand@21grand.org>
Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.0.20070102200039.00a193e0@pop3.majornet.com>

Hi Matt, It says you have to enter your e-mail and password first . . . er, 
what password are we talking about?  I enter my e-mail address and the 
password for that and keep getting ERROR . . .

At 11:30 AM 1/2/07 -0800, you wrote:

>you can also see the complete list of subscribers from this page:
>
>http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>[ you have to enter your email and password first ]
>
>-m
>
>On Mon, 1 Jan 2007, Sarah - 21 Grand wrote:
>
> > This is the 3rd post this week where people are posting looking for emails
> > for people who post to this list, which are easily found by looking at the
> > list archives:
> >
> > http://music.mills.edu/pipermail/newmusic/
> >
> > - a veritable treasure trove of usefulness ... if one is into research.
> > Don't they teach you research skills in college anymore? And you want a
> > student discount? Sheesh.
> >
> > sl
> >> Message: 3
> >> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:35:06 -0800 (PST)
> >> From: maryclare brzytwa <mcbrzytwa at yahoo.com>
> >> Subject: [NewMusic] ettrick
> >> To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
> >> Message-ID: <293251.41951.qm at web55110.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi .
> >> DOes anyone know how to get ahold of Jacob from Ettrick?
> >> muchos gracias.
> >> xoxoox
> >> mc
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >
>_______________________________________________
>Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

Jim Ryan
550 24th St.  Ste 1014
Oakland, CA  94612
510-645-1894
www.bayimproviser.com/jimryan


From ingalls at mills.edu  Tue Jan  2 20:56:06 2007
From: ingalls at mills.edu (Matt J. Ingalls)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 20:56:06 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] contact info resource
In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20070102200039.00a193e0@pop3.majornet.com>
References: <C1BEAC68.17513%21grand@21grand.org>
	<C1BEAC68.17513%21grand@21grand.org>
	<5.1.0.14.0.20070102200039.00a193e0@pop3.majornet.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0701022055020.8458@myfiles.mills.edu>


click the "unsubscribe or edit options" button and it will take you to a 
page where you can have it mail you your password.

On Tue, 2 Jan 2007, JimRyan wrote:

> Hi Matt, It says you have to enter your e-mail and password first . . . er,
> what password are we talking about?  I enter my e-mail address and the
> password for that and keep getting ERROR . . .
>
> At 11:30 AM 1/2/07 -0800, you wrote:
>
>> you can also see the complete list of subscribers from this page:
>>
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>> [ you have to enter your email and password first ]
>>
>> -m
>>
>> On Mon, 1 Jan 2007, Sarah - 21 Grand wrote:
>>
>>> This is the 3rd post this week where people are posting looking for emails
>>> for people who post to this list, which are easily found by looking at the
>>> list archives:
>>>
>>> http://music.mills.edu/pipermail/newmusic/
>>>
>>> - a veritable treasure trove of usefulness ... if one is into research.
>>> Don't they teach you research skills in college anymore? And you want a
>>> student discount? Sheesh.
>>>
>>> sl
>>>> Message: 3
>>>> Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:35:06 -0800 (PST)
>>>> From: maryclare brzytwa <mcbrzytwa at yahoo.com>
>>>> Subject: [NewMusic] ettrick
>>>> To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
>>>> Message-ID: <293251.41951.qm at web55110.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi .
>>>> DOes anyone know how to get ahold of Jacob from Ettrick?
>>>> muchos gracias.
>>>> xoxoox
>>>> mc
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
> Jim Ryan
> 550 24th St.  Ste 1014
> Oakland, CA  94612
> 510-645-1894
> www.bayimproviser.com/jimryan
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From weaselw at juno.com  Tue Jan  2 18:13:52 2007
From: weaselw at juno.com (weasel walter)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 18:13:52 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] yuji takahashi powder
Message-ID: <20070102.181403.3288.12.weaselw@juno.com>

i've heard many of yuji takahashi's great performances (particularly in
improvisation with joelle leandre and on many xenakis works), but don't
know his composed stuff at all . . . KILLER pianist. 

ww
 
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:49:13 -0800 "Ava Mendoza" <ava.mendoza at gmail.com>
writes:
> i have been listening to Finger Light, yuji takahashi's record on
> tzadik a bunch recently. there is a solo piano piece on it (called
> Finger Light) that has really put me in awe of him.. the score is 
> all
> very detailed fingerings but no actual pitches, so it is all about
> these physical patterns that repeat in different ways throughout 
> the
> piece..he is playing piano on it and it is pretty amazing playing.
> does anyone know about any of his other piano works? there are some
> really nice pieces on this record for shamisen also, but i would
> really like to hear more of his piano things if i can find them..
> don't know much about his music really..

From damon at balancepointacoustics.com  Tue Jan  2 21:12:05 2007
From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:12:05 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] yuji takahashi powder
In-Reply-To: <20070102.181403.3288.12.weaselw@juno.com>
References: <20070102.181403.3288.12.weaselw@juno.com>
Message-ID: <b2e202558b67057f0cb342a47a85a966@balancepointacoustics.com>

Eonta.
On Jan 2, 2007, at 6:13 PM, weasel walter wrote:

> i've heard many of yuji takahashi's great performances (particularly in
> improvisation with joelle leandre and on many xenakis works), but don't
> know his composed stuff at all . . . KILLER pianist.
>
> ww
>
> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:49:13 -0800 "Ava Mendoza" <ava.mendoza at gmail.com>
> writes:
>> i have been listening to Finger Light, yuji takahashi's record on
>> tzadik a bunch recently. there is a solo piano piece on it (called
>> Finger Light) that has really put me in awe of him.. the score is
>> all
>> very detailed fingerings but no actual pitches, so it is all about
>> these physical patterns that repeat in different ways throughout
>> the
>> piece..he is playing piano on it and it is pretty amazing playing.
>> does anyone know about any of his other piano works? there are some
>> really nice pieces on this record for shamisen also, but i would
>> really like to hear more of his piano things if i can find them..
>> don't know much about his music really..
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>


From ava.mendoza at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 21:32:59 2007
From: ava.mendoza at gmail.com (Ava Mendoza)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:32:59 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] yuji takahashi powder
In-Reply-To: <b2e202558b67057f0cb342a47a85a966@balancepointacoustics.com>
References: <20070102.181403.3288.12.weaselw@juno.com>
	<b2e202558b67057f0cb342a47a85a966@balancepointacoustics.com>
Message-ID: <317505170701022132h2db0b2b5h325769ad8bace66c@mail.gmail.com>

ee?

On 1/2/07, Damon Smith <damon at balancepointacoustics.com> wrote:
> Eonta.
> On Jan 2, 2007, at 6:13 PM, weasel walter wrote:
>
> > i've heard many of yuji takahashi's great performances (particularly in
> > improvisation with joelle leandre and on many xenakis works), but don't
> > know his composed stuff at all . . . KILLER pianist.
> >
> > ww
> >
> > On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:49:13 -0800 "Ava Mendoza" <ava.mendoza at gmail.com>
> > writes:
> >> i have been listening to Finger Light, yuji takahashi's record on
> >> tzadik a bunch recently. there is a solo piano piece on it (called
> >> Finger Light) that has really put me in awe of him.. the score is
> >> all
> >> very detailed fingerings but no actual pitches, so it is all about
> >> these physical patterns that repeat in different ways throughout
> >> the
> >> piece..he is playing piano on it and it is pretty amazing playing.
> >> does anyone know about any of his other piano works? there are some
> >> really nice pieces on this record for shamisen also, but i would
> >> really like to hear more of his piano things if i can find them..
> >> don't know much about his music really..
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>


-- 
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www.myspace.com/avamendoza

From damon at balancepointacoustics.com  Tue Jan  2 21:30:10 2007
From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:30:10 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] yuji takahashi powder
In-Reply-To: <317505170701022132h2db0b2b5h325769ad8bace66c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070102.181403.3288.12.weaselw@juno.com>
	<b2e202558b67057f0cb342a47a85a966@balancepointacoustics.com>
	<317505170701022132h2db0b2b5h325769ad8bace66c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b04e88ff012b453b0685834f2d96078d@balancepointacoustics.com>

It is one of the great Xenakis pieces he plays.
On Jan 2, 2007, at 9:32 PM, Ava Mendoza wrote:

> ee?
>
> On 1/2/07, Damon Smith <damon at balancepointacoustics.com> wrote:
>> Eonta.
>> On Jan 2, 2007, at 6:13 PM, weasel walter wrote:
>>
>>> i've heard many of yuji takahashi's great performances (particularly 
>>> in
>>> improvisation with joelle leandre and on many xenakis works), but 
>>> don't
>>> know his composed stuff at all . . . KILLER pianist.
>>>
>>> ww
>>>
>>> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:49:13 -0800 "Ava Mendoza" 
>>> <ava.mendoza at gmail.com>
>>> writes:
>>>> i have been listening to Finger Light, yuji takahashi's record on
>>>> tzadik a bunch recently. there is a solo piano piece on it (called
>>>> Finger Light) that has really put me in awe of him.. the score is
>>>> all
>>>> very detailed fingerings but no actual pitches, so it is all about
>>>> these physical patterns that repeat in different ways throughout
>>>> the
>>>> piece..he is playing piano on it and it is pretty amazing playing.
>>>> does anyone know about any of his other piano works? there are some
>>>> really nice pieces on this record for shamisen also, but i would
>>>> really like to hear more of his piano things if i can find them..
>>>> don't know much about his music really..
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>>
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>
>
>
> -- 
> www.avamendoza.com
> www.myspace.com/avamendoza
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>


From ava.mendoza at gmail.com  Tue Jan  2 21:35:41 2007
From: ava.mendoza at gmail.com (Ava Mendoza)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:35:41 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] yuji takahashi powder
In-Reply-To: <b04e88ff012b453b0685834f2d96078d@balancepointacoustics.com>
References: <20070102.181403.3288.12.weaselw@juno.com>
	<b2e202558b67057f0cb342a47a85a966@balancepointacoustics.com>
	<317505170701022132h2db0b2b5h325769ad8bace66c@mail.gmail.com>
	<b04e88ff012b453b0685834f2d96078d@balancepointacoustics.com>
Message-ID: <317505170701022135q6dd12f9ew785d77dd89fd9357@mail.gmail.com>

oh sweet. thanks. yeah i would love to know about any recordings of
him playing piano at all, whether it's other people's music or his
own..

On 1/2/07, Damon Smith <damon at balancepointacoustics.com> wrote:
> It is one of the great Xenakis pieces he plays.
> On Jan 2, 2007, at 9:32 PM, Ava Mendoza wrote:
>
> > ee?
> >
> > On 1/2/07, Damon Smith <damon at balancepointacoustics.com> wrote:
> >> Eonta.
> >> On Jan 2, 2007, at 6:13 PM, weasel walter wrote:
> >>
> >>> i've heard many of yuji takahashi's great performances (particularly
> >>> in
> >>> improvisation with joelle leandre and on many xenakis works), but
> >>> don't
> >>> know his composed stuff at all . . . KILLER pianist.
> >>>
> >>> ww
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:49:13 -0800 "Ava Mendoza"
> >>> <ava.mendoza at gmail.com>
> >>> writes:
> >>>> i have been listening to Finger Light, yuji takahashi's record on
> >>>> tzadik a bunch recently. there is a solo piano piece on it (called
> >>>> Finger Light) that has really put me in awe of him.. the score is
> >>>> all
> >>>> very detailed fingerings but no actual pitches, so it is all about
> >>>> these physical patterns that repeat in different ways throughout
> >>>> the
> >>>> piece..he is playing piano on it and it is pretty amazing playing.
> >>>> does anyone know about any of his other piano works? there are some
> >>>> really nice pieces on this record for shamisen also, but i would
> >>>> really like to hear more of his piano things if i can find them..
> >>>> don't know much about his music really..
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> >>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> >>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> >> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> >> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > www.avamendoza.com
> > www.myspace.com/avamendoza
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>


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From weaselw at juno.com  Tue Jan  2 21:43:48 2007
From: weaselw at juno.com (weasel walter)
Date: Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:43:48 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] yuji takahashi powder
Message-ID: <20070102.214356.3288.13.weaselw@juno.com>

you gotta check out Eonta by Xenakis . . . a killer 20 minute composition
with horns and piano. one of my favs.

ww
 
On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 21:32:59 -0800 "Ava Mendoza" <ava.mendoza at gmail.com>
writes:
> ee?
> 
> On 1/2/07, Damon Smith <damon at balancepointacoustics.com> wrote:
> > Eonta.
> > On Jan 2, 2007, at 6:13 PM, weasel walter wrote:
> >
> > > i've heard many of yuji takahashi's great performances 
> (particularly in
> > > improvisation with joelle leandre and on many xenakis works), 
> but don't
> > > know his composed stuff at all . . . KILLER pianist.
> > >
> > > ww
> > >
> > > On Tue, 2 Jan 2007 17:49:13 -0800 "Ava Mendoza" 
> <ava.mendoza at gmail.com>
> > > writes:
> > >> i have been listening to Finger Light, yuji takahashi's record 
> on
> > >> tzadik a bunch recently. there is a solo piano piece on it 
> (called
> > >> Finger Light) that has really put me in awe of him.. the score 
> is
> > >> all
> > >> very detailed fingerings but no actual pitches, so it is all 
> about
> > >> these physical patterns that repeat in different ways 
> throughout
> > >> the
> > >> piece..he is playing piano on it and it is pretty amazing 
> playing.
> > >> does anyone know about any of his other piano works? there are 
> some
> > >> really nice pieces on this record for shamisen also, but i 
> would
> > >> really like to hear more of his piano things if i can find 
> them..
> > >> don't know much about his music really..
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> > >
> > >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >
> 
> 
> -- 
> www.avamendoza.com
> www.myspace.com/avamendoza
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> 
> 
 

From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Wed Jan  3 01:33:16 2007
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 01:33:16 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Breakthrough in Grey Room playlist: 2006 Dec 20
In-Reply-To: <9c5cfa860701021214x37dc8e59ydce5c79fae7bb02f@mail.gmail.com>
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Jacob,

I've been trying to find recordings by 16 bitch pile up, but can't find
any - Amoeba says they haven't made a record (that has been released
formally). Did you play a CDr of theirs? Where did you get that release?

PG


Phillip Greenlief
c/o Evander Music
PO Box 22158 Oakland, CA
94623-9991
www.evandermusic.com

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[mailto:newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu] On Behalf Of jacob felix heule
Sent: Tuesday, January 02, 2007 12:14 PM
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
Subject: [NewMusic] Breakthrough in Grey Room playlist: 2006 Dec 20

This week's show is tonight, 11:59pm-3am (Tue. night/Wed. morning).
90.3 FM San Francisco
or online: http://heule.us/breakthrough/ (click "Online Broadcast")


Playlist from the last show:

2006 Dec 20

Otomo Yoshihide & Voice Crack, "@@@4," Bits, Bots and Signs [Erstwhile,
2000]
Belketre, "Guilty," March to the Black Holocaust (split with Vlad
Tepes) [Embassy, 1995]
Skullflower, "Saragossa," Tribulation [Crucial Blast, 2006]

Luigi Nono, "V. Tre Voci a," Prometeo [Angel, 1996]
Sunn o))) & Boris, "Akuma No Kuma," Altar [SOuthern Lord, 2006]

Iannis Xenakis, "Eonta, part 1," Metastasis/Pithoprakta/Eonta [Le
Chant Du Monde, 1993]

Sclippenbach Trio, "Winterreise 2," Winterreise [Psi, 2006]

Yellowcake, "The Prince of Wrongdoing (Mr. Unwilling Symptom),"
Yellowcake [Rastascan, 2006]
16 Bitch Pile-Up, "Live @ No Fun Fest," ADAD [self-released, 2006]

John Shiurba, "intro," 5x5 1.2=[Rastascan/UN-Limited Sedition. 2006]
Otomo Yoshihide's New Jazz Orchestra, "Straight Up and Down ~ Will Be
Back," Out to Lunch [Doubt, 2006]

Gamelan Ensemble Lingkungan Seni Degung, "Palwa-Prawa," Gamelan
Degung: Classical Music of Sunda, West Java [Pan, 1996]
Ed Lewis, John Lee Moore, James Carter & Henry Mason, "Tom Devil,"
various - Southern Journey Vol.5 - Bad Man Ballads [Rounder Select,
1997]

Anthony Braxton, "Solo (Comp. 8K)," This Time [BYG, 1970]
John Bischoff, "Piano 7Hz," Aperture [23five, 2003]
Andy Moor, Thomas Lehn & John Butcher, "Graphite," Thermal [Unsounds,
2003]

Leporidae, "Black Water," various - Women Take Back the Noise [Ubuibi,
2006]
Aube, "Re-Chant," various - Drone Records [Tumult, 2006]
Willie Nelson, "It's Not Supposed to Be that Way," Phases and Stages
[Atlantic, 1974]
Goodman/Gustafsson/Cremaschi, "9th Movement," They Were Gentle and
Pretty Pigs [Beak Doctor, 2002]
Tony Conrad, "Joan of Arc (1968)," Joan of Arc (1968) [Table of the
Elements, 2006]


http://heule.us/breakthrough/
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From jfheule at gmail.com  Wed Jan  3 03:55:17 2007
From: jfheule at gmail.com (jacob felix heule)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 03:55:17 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Breakthrough in Grey Room playlist: 2006 Dec 20
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Most of their releases have been pretty limited runs.

They do have a new full-length forthcoming on Troniks
(http://www.iheartnoise.com/).

Contact sarah.cathers at gmail.com to see if they've got any older stuff in stock.

And/or I could burn you some stuff.

jacob

On 1/3/07, Phillip Greenlief <pgsaxo at pacbell.net> wrote:
> Jacob,
>
> I've been trying to find recordings by 16 bitch pile up, but can't find
> any - Amoeba says they haven't made a record (that has been released
> formally). Did you play a CDr of theirs? Where did you get that release?
>
> PG

-- 
http://heule.us

From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com  Wed Jan  3 10:51:29 2007
From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 10:51:29 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Christian Lauba
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Ummm, does this lack of response mean that folks don't know his music, 
or is he universally hated, or. . . ?

On Jan 2, 2007, at 12:48 PM, Matthew Goodheart wrote:

> Hey folks-
>
> This discussion's probably happened here before, but I was just
> curious. I arbitrarily picked up a copy of Christian Lauba's ACCORD Cd
> a few weeks ago, and wondered what folks thought about his music,
> particularly the saxophone stuff.
>
> -mg
>
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From gcremaschi at hotmail.com  Wed Jan  3 12:27:01 2007
From: gcremaschi at hotmail.com (George Cremaschi)
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 12:27:01 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Christian Lauba
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mr Goodheart wrote:

>Christian Lauba's ACCORD Cd...and wondered what folks thought about his 
>music, particularly the saxophone stuff.

What little I've heard gave me the impression that
he had listened to some solo saxophone improvisers,
particularly Evan Parker, and then wrote the composed
version, with (perhaps) predictable results:  it's not as
exciting or interesting.

-George

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From sopranino at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jan  3 12:48:34 2007
From: sopranino at sbcglobal.net (Jon Raskin)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 12:48:34 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] Fw: PoD Issue 9 has launched
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This issue has Evan Parker's Lecture on John Coltane that he presented in Lisbon last August.


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From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com  Wed Jan  3 15:26:25 2007
From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:26:25 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Christian Lauba
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I can see that. I'm still working through it, and so curious about  
other's reactions. It seems to me there's a certain emotional distance  
in Lauba's stuff, which is interesting too. I'm sort of intrigued by  
how it would differ from improvisations, or lead in different  
directions because it's written, though some of his early scores seem  
to say to give it an improvised feeling. Also interesting that he was  
writing this in the late 80's and early 90's. I need to listen more  
closely to think about the formal structures, too. Not ready to write  
it off as bogus (yet). . .

On Jan 3, 2007, at 12:27 PM, George Cremaschi wrote:

>
> mr Goodheart wrote:
>
>> Christian Lauba's ACCORD Cd...and wondered what folks thought about  
>> his music, particularly the saxophone stuff.
>
> What little I've heard gave me the impression that
> he had listened to some solo saxophone improvisers,
> particularly Evan Parker, and then wrote the composed
> version, with (perhaps) predictable results:  it's not as
> exciting or interesting.
>
> -George
>
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From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Wed Jan  3 15:49:16 2007
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:49:16 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Christian Lauba
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-----Original Message-----
On Behalf Of Matthew Goodheart
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Christian Lauba

Ummm, does this lack of response mean that folks don't know his music, 
or is he universally hated, or. . . ?


PG:
Is he that German saxophonist that lives in India?
If so, I have his solo disc, which is nice.
I don't know the CD you are referring to...(ACCORD).



From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Wed Jan  3 15:57:24 2007
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 15:57:24 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Christian Lauba
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Hmmmm, if this guy was writing and playing in the 80's, it's not the
player I was thinking of...he's much younger. No, I don't know this guy.

Phillip Greenlief
c/o Evander Music
PO Box 22158 Oakland, CA
94623-9991
www.evandermusic.com

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[mailto:newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew Goodheart
Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 3:26 PM
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Christian Lauba

I can see that. I'm still working through it, and so curious about  
other's reactions. It seems to me there's a certain emotional distance  
in Lauba's stuff, which is interesting too. I'm sort of intrigued by  
how it would differ from improvisations, or lead in different  
directions because it's written, though some of his early scores seem  
to say to give it an improvised feeling. Also interesting that he was  
writing this in the late 80's and early 90's. I need to listen more  
closely to think about the formal structures, too. Not ready to write  
it off as bogus (yet). . .

On Jan 3, 2007, at 12:27 PM, George Cremaschi wrote:

>
> mr Goodheart wrote:
>
>> Christian Lauba's ACCORD Cd...and wondered what folks thought about  
>> his music, particularly the saxophone stuff.
>
> What little I've heard gave me the impression that
> he had listened to some solo saxophone improvisers,
> particularly Evan Parker, and then wrote the composed
> version, with (perhaps) predictable results:  it's not as
> exciting or interesting.
>
> -George
>
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From setar at pacbell.net  Wed Jan  3 16:47:20 2007
From: setar at pacbell.net (Katherine Setar)
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2007 16:47:20 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Help with Easy-to-Use Sequencers
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Hi everyone,

I earn money teaching piano.  Some of my beginning piano students wish 
to play duets with themselves, so I assume that they would need for a 
very easy-to-use sequencer, preferably which is public domain or 
shareware, and preferably on Windows.  Might be nice if it also did 
rudimentary music notation, but this is not mandatory.  All I own is 
very complicated, expensive programs, such as Sibelius and Finale.

Any suggestions?  Or should I send them to the Guitar Center?  Thanks.

Katherine Setar

From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com  Wed Jan  3 17:32:32 2007
From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart)
Date: Wed, 3 Jan 2007 17:32:32 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Christian Lauba
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Here's some of his pieces to listen to. . . I'll leave them up for a 
couple days for whoever is interested and for the sake o' discussion. . 
.

http://matthewgoodheart.com/lauba.html


On Jan 3, 2007, at 3:57 PM, Phillip Greenlief wrote:

> Hmmmm, if this guy was writing and playing in the 80's, it's not the
> player I was thinking of...he's much younger. No, I don't know this 
> guy.
>
> Phillip Greenlief
> c/o Evander Music
> PO Box 22158 Oakland, CA
> 94623-9991
> www.evandermusic.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu
> [mailto:newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu] On Behalf Of Matthew 
> Goodheart
> Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 3:26 PM
> To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Christian Lauba
>
> I