[NewMusic] WAS: Re: improvised music - gender & money NOW:Re:???

[Matt Davignon]

I don't disagree that it was sexist, but I thought it was more mild than
women making "hold" music and men making "seed" music. And I guess I'm not
as sensitive about knocking demographic groups that I'm a member of.

Secondly, it's a theory that I've had, but my conviction about it has been
weakened as more women have been joining our music making. Lately I know
more women making "cutting edge" sounds, harsh noise, playing weird
instruments, etc. Maybe it'll turn out to be a case of men feeling like
gimmickry (under a nicer name) was in the realm of men.

I'm curious how we'd turn out if we compared record collections though.

Matt



On 1/9/07, Matt J. Ingalls <ingalls at mills.edu> wrote:
>
>
> Matt -- these assumptions are pretty misguided. borderline sexist, imo.
>
> First of all, there are more men doing
> this music, so of course men are more likely to do ~anything~ you look
> for. i don't see how you can intuitively make any generality in this
> context.
> Even so, i don't see how you can attribute gender to any of this.
>
> -m
>
> > I've had a theory that men were more likely to be taken in by
> "gimmicks".
> > Gimmicks being non-directly musical appeals that are involved in music,
> > whether it be extending one's level of "chops", increasing one's rate of
> > arpeggios per second, playing unusual instruments, the attitude and
> 'look"
> > of a band, having a bigger record collection than the next guy, using
> > electronic devices, making the weirdest sounds etc. The other side was
> that
> > I felt that women paid more attention to the actual music. Of course,
> while
> > I felt there was a correlation, I could easily name exceptions for both
> > sides. (I guess the point is that I could more quickly name cases that
> fit
> > in that statement.)
> >
> > What I do know is that when you get a lot of musicians in a room, the
> men
> > are more likely to turn up the volume to make their stuff heard.
> MaryClare
> > won 100 points in my book at a concert last year where she decided to
> "rest"
> > rather than add to the chaos.
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