[NewMusic] The breathtakingly bad Phil Collins...(bububut...Foxtrot? Nursery Crimes?)

[Phillip Greenlief]

I'm with you Mr. Lettuce....and your Richard Dreyfuss analogy is spot on!
   
  The last time I saw Genesis it was the first tour they did without Peter (I saw the final tour as well...fucking amazing...to a 16 year old anyway...). Bill Bruford and Phil Collins were playing drums on that tour (so Collins could sing some of the stuff without playing drums). They did a great drum duo that I can still (sort of remember), but the memory stands that it was amazing.
   
  Keep in mind this was a time when REO Speedwagon and other mindless bands were dominating the FM dial (I'm copping Gino's comment from the other day). I was already into jazz, but not improvised or other alternative musics. So hearing The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway live with "some drummer named Phil" was pretty fucking sweet.
   
  PG
  

Ron Lettuce <letucepry at yahoo.com> wrote:
  Hard to believe that that's the same guy who was singing about snakes slithering through the antichamber back in the 70s. (how soon we forget that he was in Genesis, I mean "Genesis, the early years, when thier music was good"...I don't know if you're poking fun at this time with the "epic song structures" jab, but if you don't know what this means, you should really go search out Foxtrot or Nursery Crimes, unless you REALLY hate prog rock...). Try telling anyone born after 1980 this "You know, Phil Collins, and Peter Gabriel used to be in one of the greatest Prog Rock bands of all time...and thier music was pretty good..."

but alas, sadly, he is the Richard Dreyfuss of Rock music...


lettuce


----- Original Message ----
From: corey fogel 
To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:25:14 AM
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] The breathtakingly bad Phil Collins


i sincerely hope that the ebbs and flows of my improvising have half the
lyricism of Phil Collins' phrases as a singer and drummer; that my sonic
pallette resonates as lucidly with my bag of tricks as the pairing of his
melodies/vocal timbre, and that any horizontal or vertical architecture has
half the integrity of many of his epic song structures.

oh, and I really hope someday soon to master his ridiculously tasteful way
of filling over the barline into beginning of the next measure ("In The Air
Tonight", and "Take Me Home")

corey

Matt Davignon:

> When I talk about making music for other people, there's always
> jumping to the extreme of "oh, let's get on KFOG". That's not what I'm
> talking about - if you try to make music for everyone, you'll turn
> into Phil Collins. It's more about understanding that there are people
> who like listening to unusual music, acknowledging that you're one of
> them, and trying to make the music you'd like to hear from yourself if
> you were hearing it from someone else's ears.
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