[NewMusic] Dying Industry...(sic)

[Jacob Lindsay]

Guess what Damon?  Man IS a selfish animal (and women
too).  That's why I'm a Socialist and not a Capitalist
or Libertarian.  I don't trust that given a laissez
faire model (economic, social, musical or otherwise)
that we will make the best decisions.  That's why I
find it important to revisit some of those original
models of the SME and others that really supported the
idea of the individual subsumed by the collective (I
think the individualism will come out naturally).


--- Damon Smith <damon at balancepointacoustics.com>
wrote:

> You probably  have seen "Noisy People" by now where
> I quote Red 
> Mitchell, I had just found his duo lp with Warne
> Marsh - amazing music. 
> He says the problem with the two main political
> 'isms"  is that one 
> assumes that man is a selfish animal and one assumes
> man is a selfish 
> animal and you can't be a either one and play good
> jazz.
> 
> Damon
> 
> On Jun 4, 2007, at 7:09 PM,
> matthew at matthewgoodheart.com wrote:
> 
> >> I think that undercurrent is still there, if not
> >> overtly then at least in the subconscious history
> of
> >> the music - the whole collective improvisation
> >> (emphasis on COLLECTIVE) non-hierarchical,
> >> non-commericial aspect of things.
> >
> > Yes, I think you are correct, although I have
> found it more recently 
> > to be
> > more a matter of form than of philosophy. In many
> ways the "finding 
> > your
> > own sound" aspect is in conflict with the
> "collective" aspect: the 
> > classic
> > tension between individual and society in a way;
> and in some ways it
> > could be argued that in the kind free-improv done
> locally has achieved 
> > a
> > good balance. But in other ways, it might be
> argued that that "balance"
> > now has it's own form of accepted discourse
> outside of the actual
> > negotiation between individuals and the group.
> What if, for example, 
> > one
> > subsumes their individualism to the group
> discourse, and over the 
> > course
> > of the performance one simply does not play. Not
> because of any
> > Cagean-silence ideas, but rather the voice of the
> group simply does not
> > need the assertion of that individual- it would
> alter the course too 
> > much
> > or the collective statement has been made. It's a
> different conception 
> > of
> > the role of the individual in a group of
> improvisers. I haven't really
> > heard that kind of thing, or not in a long time,
> at least.
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Jacob Lindsay
http://www.bayimproviser.com/artistdetail.asp?artist_id=44
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