From grobair at emusician.com Tue May 1 09:50:04 2007 From: grobair at emusician.com (Robair, Gino) Date: Tue, 01 May 2007 09:50:04 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] Cage on the talk show Message-ID: Thanks, Jonathan. Really great clip! I love his quote: "I consider laughter preferable to tears." From michaelz at zoka.com Tue May 1 11:27:38 2007 From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 11:27:38 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] KFJC's Month of Mayhem Message-ID: This year's radio specials include programs on Impulse! Records, Ipecac Records, John Carter, Sun Ra, 8-bit audio, and Luciano Berio's Sequenzas. For the full broadcast schedule, see: MZ --------------michaelz at zoka.com--- Michael Zelner ---Oakland CA USA------------------ From praemedia at yahoo.com Tue May 1 13:20:16 2007 From: praemedia at yahoo.com (Praemedia) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 13:20:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewMusic] Helmut Schaefer Message-ID: <20070501202016.29053.qmail@web51602.mail.re2.yahoo.com> The noise musician Helmut Schaefer committed suicide in Graz, Austia. If you are not familiar with his music, please take a moment to listen here - http://www.myspace.com/helmutschaefer RIP lance grabmiller do: www.praemedia.com sell: shop.praemedia.com write: blog.myspace.com/lancegrabmiller view: www.flickr.com/photos/praemedia/ share: www.google.com/reader/shared/17841127405884603665 film: http://youtube.com/praemedia Web 1.2.4 rev. a compliant since 1997. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From grobair at emusician.com Tue May 1 22:07:26 2007 From: grobair at emusician.com (Robair, Gino) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 00:07:26 -0500 Subject: [NewMusic] PR from CD Recycling Center of America References: Message-ID: <41E4A72A1EA81E429C136B30030C141A1F6C6B@KSOPEXC03.intertec.com> The following press release just came in, and I figure some of you may find this interesting. (Please, no jokes about us label owners needing this service more than anyone else... ;-) ) *** The CD Recycling Center of America announced today an open call for all recording studios, musicians and record labels to join the Center?s awareness campaign, which was launched on Earth Day. The campaign promotes the importance of recycling compact discs and to increase community awareness of related environmental issues caused by unwanted discs being placed in the trash. The Recycling Center?s website, www.cdrecyclingcenter.org is designed to educate consumers, while building a national network of registered members and supporters that pledge to recycle their disc waste. This new center invites consumers and companies to send in their unwanted CDs and DVDs for recycling. ?Each year over 30 billion CDs and DVDs are still being manufactured, while millions of unwanted, damaged and obsolete discs end up in landfills and incinerators every month.? States Bruce Bennett, founder of The Compact Disc Recycling Center of America. ?It is important for those individuals or companies that use, sell, manufacture or promote compact discs to also responsibly promote how and where to recycle them.? When compacts discs are placed in the trash, it is harmful to the environment. When discs are recycled properly, it will help stop unnecessary pollution, conserve natural resources, and slow global warming. The plastic used in compact discs can be recycled into other everyday items, including household products, building materials, and auto parts. Bennett states ?I feel the main reason people are throwing out unwanted CDs and DVDs is that they simply don?t know what else to do with them. Now they can learn the importance of disc recycling, and also have a place to send them. They can send us one or one million discs and we?ll accept and recycle them.? Bennett also notes that the Recycling Center will accept discs still in their original packaging. The center will separate and recycle any paper components of the package as well. The Center asks that companies in the recording industry visit the Center?s recycling website, www.cdrecyclingcenter.org and sign in as a member. The Center then encourages new members to place The CD Recycling Center logo on their website and promotional materials, thus promoting to end users how and where to recycle unwanted discs when they are finished using them. Bennett states ?Every discs counts, and no disc should end up in the trash. Companies and musicians in the recording industry are constantly burning quick one offs, sample mixes, etc., and these generally get thrown away when finished. They should be collected, boxed and sent to The Recycling Center.? Bennett goes on to add ?I understand why many companies are members of the Better Business Bureau, and I feel it is equally important for them to be listed as a member of The CD Recycling Center, showing dedication in helping the environment. We have made it very easy for companies to start a disc recycling campaign, and we do not charge anything to become a member. We provide the logo, a plan, promotional materials and a place to send the discs.? The Compact Disc Recycling Center was founded in 2006 by Bruce Bennett, owner of The American Duplication Supply Group, including Superdups, New England Compact Disc and American Duplication Supply. After manufacturing millions of discs for thousands of customers, Bennett decided it was equally important as a manufacturer to educate people on the importance of disc recycling. The Compact Disc Recycling Center of America provides consumers and companies education, consultation, awareness and options for easy CD and DVD recycling, with a location to send the discs to. The website, www.cdrecyclingcenter.org offers a range of articles, research, affiliates and profiles of their growing number of supporters and members, all to be applauded by the recycling conscious consumer. ### If you would like more information, or to schedule an interview with Bruce Bennett, please call Lisa Bennett at 603-894-5553 or email info at cdrecyclingcenter.com From magsatellite at yahoo.com Tue May 1 22:53:49 2007 From: magsatellite at yahoo.com (J. Segel) Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 22:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewMusic] Save Internet Radio In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <626626.35410.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> > Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2007 21:17:16 -0700 > From: Cypod > Subject: [NewMusic] Save Internet Radio > To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" > Message-ID: > <473c28030704302117k65752e7cgaaeb344154e3e2ed at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Just when you thought that you were safe streaming your own music > online, the RIAA comes along to tax you into silence: > > "What it also appears to mean is that Webcasters who have been > following the assumed safe process of working directly with non-RIAA labels > and artists may still have to pay royalties because its the duty of the > SoundExchange to collect for all members and nonmembers." > > - http://dicta.fakescience.com/ > > > > If you don't want some third party to start taxing stations for playing your > music; eventhough, you are not a member, then call your congressperson and > ask them to co-sponsor H.R. 2060, The Internet Radio Equality Act. > > http://www.savenetradio.org/ as i wrote on myspace recently: i've been following the upsurge of indignation at the new internet royalty rate ruling with some interest, because i seem to be on both sides of it. i have in the past made a somewhat meager living as a composer and performer, but have seen that entirely go away in the past couple of years. i understand that people want to listen to the radio, and in the past 20 years or so that i have had songs that were played on the radio, i actually got paid broadcast royalties (i'm talking college radio here, like maybe i made $1000 a year maximum. i don't understand tim westergren from pandora's assertion that broadcast radio doesn't pay these royalties at all...? http://blog.pandora.com/ ) but with the advent of satellite radio, where they purposely didn't make contracts with the performance rights groups for a couple years, they didn't pay for a while. now they do. same with internet radio. the petitions i am seeing are talking about the rates being raised 1000%, but we're talking 0.0008 cents per play as opposed to like 6 cents for broadcast radio, right? the problem is per listener division as i understand it. it would seem like a better way to do it would be a daily or weekly roundup of plays, but whatever, i'm not a mathematician (that title goes to other members of my band.) take a look at the historical political economy of music (i recommend jaques attali's book "noise") and lets talk about how musicians can survive in society. everybody wants free music, in the past it had always been paid for by patronage, then for a short period of time with the advent of media replication (from printed score to cd) artists somewhat managed to be paid for their composition as it was manufactured. we seem to be back to the patronage model, composers are only paid for by patrons- advertisers, essentially. if you want free music, that's what you'll get: advertisements for the patrons. the reality of patronage in the modern world is that most people will take what they are given for free rather than pay for it themselves. hence, the patrons will be advertisers. most music and bands will be paid for by placing their music in ads, and the labels that draw the deals for "their" bands will take a cut. essentially, any major label artist is a shill for advertising their label, the whole of the band's existence serves to generate income for the label, not to promote a continuance of art and human culture. watch any late night TV talk show for a week and see the bands that are on it. who has placed these bands there and why? how many of them are any good? count the number of band tracks used in advertising for automobiles, banks, whatever. who has placed these bands there? how many of them are independent? what about the songs placed in hollywood films...? when a label or publisher gets a song placed, the sync fees are large, it could entirely pay back an advance given to the writers, hence they are very inclined to place songs that they have paid publishing advances on. and of course, only those with big money can do any of this. you are very lucky if you are independent and can get past the hurdles of production to get a song placed in a film. to go one step further, notice how many songs in films are covers, where the publishing is perhaps owned entirely by someone other than the original writer (!) and the naive young band doing the song gets "exposure". anyway. my point is that given a patronage situation, most of the peasants end up listening to whatever the "king" commissions. MAGNETIC --- Jonathan Segel magsatellite-yahoo(.)com <---> jsegel-magneticmotorworks(.)com http://www.MagneticMotorworks.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From pgsaxo at pacbell.net Wed May 2 09:29:13 2007 From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 09:29:13 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] RIP: Zola Taylor In-Reply-To: <26E45C16-8EB5-11DA-BEEB-000A95BD86B8@pixar.com> Message-ID: <000d01c78cd7$05b82540$4001a8c0@PG> Dear bListers, OK, not "new" music by any stretch of the imagination, but god damn, I grew up with the Platters and still love them...so I was sorry to hear about this. PG Platters singer Zola Taylor dies at 69 By ANDREW GLAZER, Associated Press WriterTue May 1, 4:18 PM ET Zola Taylor, who broke gender barriers in the 1950s as a member of The Platters, harmonizing with her male colleagues on hits like "The Great Pretender," has died, her nephew said Tuesday. She was 69. Taylor, who later gained attention of a different sort as one of three women who claimed to be pop idol Frankie Lymon's widow, died Monday, said her nephew Alfie Robinson. She had been bedridden following several strokes and died at Parkview Community Hospital in Riverside County from complications of pneumonia, he said. Founding Platters member Herb Reed said he spotted Taylor, the sister of Cornell Gunter of the Coasters, rehearsing with a girl group in 1955 and knew immediately she had the charisma and vocal chops the R&B group needed. The all-male group had just signed with Mercury after its single "Only You" topped the charts and its manager thought they needed a female voice to soften their sound. "She was a very pretty young lady and what a great, great smile," Reed told The Associated Press. "And she had this baby voice that everyone liked." "The Great Pretender" raced to the No. 1 spot on both R & B and pop music charts in the U.S. and Europe, according to "The Encyclopedia of Pop, Rock and Soul" by Irwin Stambler. "It was a great surprise to everyone," Reed said. "We were the first Afro-American group to have a girl singer. That was the talk of the nation. All of the sudden, other groups started looking for girls." But the Platters' success began to fizzle after 1959, when four members were arrested in Cincinnati. Reed said he had been out of touch with Taylor since the early 1960s. Taylor was back in the spotlight in the 1980s when she and two other women all claimed to be Lymon's widow and fought over his royalties. Lymon, a juvenile pop sensation in the 1950s with such hits as "Why Do Fools Fall in Love?," had died of a drug overdose in 1968 at age 25. The courts eventually sided with one of the other women. The drama was a focal point in the 1998 Lymon biopic "Why Do Fools Fall in Love." Halle Berry played Taylor. Robinson, Taylor's closest known living relative, said his aunt continued touring with other lesser-known acts until 1996 and wed two other times. Her last husband died in 1982, he said. She had no children. Phillip Greenlief c/o Evander Music PO Box 22158 Oakland, CA 94623-9991 www.evandermusic.com From abennett at calarts.edu Wed May 2 18:06:46 2007 From: abennett at calarts.edu (Aaron Bennett) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 18:06:46 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] Venues Message-ID: <000001c78d1f$52af47f0$f80dd7d0$@edu> Looking for possible venues to perform at in Georgia and/or Shanghai China. Does anyone know of any in either of these locations? Thanks, Aaron. From bradysharp at gmail.com Wed May 2 19:43:22 2007 From: bradysharp at gmail.com (Brady Sharp) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 21:43:22 -0500 Subject: [NewMusic] Venues In-Reply-To: <000001c78d1f$52af47f0$f80dd7d0$@edu> References: <000001c78d1f$52af47f0$f80dd7d0$@edu> Message-ID: this is like deja vu... this is like deja vu... Check your previous query from April 3rd! Brady On 5/2/07, Aaron Bennett wrote: > Looking for possible venues to perform at in Georgia and/or Shanghai > China. > Does anyone know of any in either of these locations? > Thanks, > Aaron. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > From timduroche at variousartists.org Wed May 2 22:33:41 2007 From: timduroche at variousartists.org (Tim DuRoche) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 22:33:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewMusic] North by Northwest In-Reply-To: <000001c78d1f$52af47f0$f80dd7d0$@edu> Message-ID: <918890.26951.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> If any of you all are heading up toward Portland (or Olympia, Vancouver BC, Seattle) this summer for festivals, let me or others in this neck of the woods know--perhaps something can be set up along your journey to parts further and farther to the north. In Portland, The Someday Lounge (which Lucio Menegon just played at on a bill with me) is a very supportive environment for improv/experimental/jazz-based and other out in orbit aesthetics. Also a little cafe/bar called Valentines is attractive for small electronics, laptop, microskronk, freejazz, etc. In Astoria (which is lovely in a very sleepy, one-morning-in-Maine kinda way), Paul Hoskin books a series: pchoskin at peak.org. Other possibilities abound as well. Sorry about that Bay Bridge thing--kaboom. TdR From pgsaxo at pacbell.net Wed May 2 22:50:23 2007 From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief) Date: Wed, 2 May 2007 22:50:23 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] North by Northwest In-Reply-To: <918890.26951.qm@web33503.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005e01c78d46$f1ec70a0$4001a8c0@PG> Tim, The Lost Trio wants to come through July (with our new CD in tow). Are there decent "jazz joints" where we might play? Miss you! PG Phillip Greenlief c/o Evander Music PO Box 22158 Oakland, CA 94623-9991 www.evandermusic.com -----Original Message----- From: newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu [mailto:newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu] On Behalf Of Tim DuRoche Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:34 PM To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group Subject: [NewMusic] North by Northwest If any of you all are heading up toward Portland (or Olympia, Vancouver BC, Seattle) this summer for festivals, let me or others in this neck of the woods know--perhaps something can be set up along your journey to parts further and farther to the north. In Portland, The Someday Lounge (which Lucio Menegon just played at on a bill with me) is a very supportive environment for improv/experimental/jazz-based and other out in orbit aesthetics. Also a little cafe/bar called Valentines is attractive for small electronics, laptop, microskronk, freejazz, etc. In Astoria (which is lovely in a very sleepy, one-morning-in-Maine kinda way), Paul Hoskin books a series: pchoskin at peak.org. Other possibilities abound as well. Sorry about that Bay Bridge thing--kaboom. TdR _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From michaelz at zoka.com Thu May 3 09:25:42 2007 From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 09:25:42 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] Save Internet Radio In-Reply-To: <626626.35410.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <626626.35410.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 5/1/07, J. Segel wrote: >i've been following the upsurge of indignation at the new internet >royalty rate >ruling with some interest, because i seem to be on both sides of it. i have in >the past made a somewhat meager living as a composer and performer, but have >seen that entirely go away in the past couple of years. i understand that >people want to listen to the radio, and in the past 20 years or so that i have >had songs that were played on the radio, i actually got paid broadcast >royalties (i'm talking college radio here, like maybe i made $1000 a year >maximum. i don't understand tim westergren from pandora's assertion that >broadcast radio doesn't pay these royalties at all...? >http://blog.pandora.com/ >) but with the advent of satellite radio, where they purposely didn't make >contracts with the performance rights groups for a couple years, they didn't >pay for a while. now they do. same with internet radio. As I understand it, traditional radio play is seen as a benefit for record labels by promoting sales of recorded music. Thus, while royalties for air play do go to the composer/performer (via organizations such as BMI, which of course stands for "Broadcast Music, Inc."), the record labels themelves get nada. This goes all the way back to the early days of music radio. (History repeated itself in the early '80s with MTV, which the labels saw as a promotional vehicle and so they did not negotiate royalty payments for the use of music videos.) The newer "Internet radio" royalties only cover digital transmissions of music, and don't apply to terrestrial radio stations (because that ship sailed many years ago). The record labels don't want to make the same mistake three times. MZ --------------michaelz at zoka.com--- Michael Zelner ---Oakland CA USA------------------ From liberatednsf at yahoo.com Thu May 3 14:24:38 2007 From: liberatednsf at yahoo.com (andrew wilshusen) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 14:24:38 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewMusic] North by Northwest In-Reply-To: <005e01c78d46$f1ec70a0$4001a8c0@PG> Message-ID: <670618.25798.qm@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> you'd fit right in at the Tugboat http://www.d2m.com/Tugwebsite/ if you don't mind the high noise floor due to talking and some damn fan. please visit andrew --- Phillip Greenlief wrote: > Tim, > > The Lost Trio wants to come through July (with our > new CD in tow). > Are there decent "jazz joints" where we might play? > > Miss you! > PG > > Phillip Greenlief > c/o Evander Music > PO Box 22158 Oakland, CA > 94623-9991 > www.evandermusic.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu > [mailto:newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu] On Behalf > Of Tim DuRoche > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:34 PM > To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > Subject: [NewMusic] North by Northwest > > If any of you all are heading up toward Portland (or > Olympia, Vancouver > BC, Seattle) this summer for festivals, let me or > others in this neck of > the woods know--perhaps something can be set up > along your journey to > parts further and farther to the north. > > In Portland, The Someday Lounge (which Lucio > Menegon just played at > on a bill with me) is a very supportive environment > for > improv/experimental/jazz-based and other out in > orbit aesthetics. Also > a little cafe/bar called Valentines is attractive > for small electronics, > laptop, microskronk, freejazz, etc. In Astoria > (which is lovely in a > very sleepy, one-morning-in-Maine kinda way), Paul > Hoskin books a > series: pchoskin at peak.org. Other possibilities > abound as well. > > Sorry about that Bay Bridge thing--kaboom. > > TdR > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > Ev oida oti oudev oida http://www.andrewwilshusen.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From damon at balancepointacoustics.com Thu May 3 14:35:44 2007 From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 14:35:44 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] East Bay express best ofs for 21 grand and 1510 Message-ID: <5ccaf4fcfd0874f03ee4b72d26b82e48@balancepointacoustics.com> http://bestof.eastbayexpress.com/bestof/award.php?award=423932&year= http://bestof.eastbayexpress.com/bestof/award.php?award=423953&year= From timduroche at variousartists.org Thu May 3 14:45:41 2007 From: timduroche at variousartists.org (Tim DuRoche) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 14:45:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewMusic] North by Northwest In-Reply-To: <670618.25798.qm@web30510.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <785155.35726.qm@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Phillip's well acquainted with that contraption, aren't you, PG? andrew wilshusen wrote: you'd fit right in at the Tugboat http://www.d2m.com/Tugwebsite/ if you don't mind the high noise floor due to talking and some damn fan. please visit andrew --- Phillip Greenlief wrote: > Tim, > > The Lost Trio wants to come through July (with our > new CD in tow). > Are there decent "jazz joints" where we might play? > > Miss you! > PG > > Phillip Greenlief > c/o Evander Music > PO Box 22158 Oakland, CA > 94623-9991 > www.evandermusic.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu > [mailto:newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu] On Behalf > Of Tim DuRoche > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:34 PM > To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > Subject: [NewMusic] North by Northwest > > If any of you all are heading up toward Portland (or > Olympia, Vancouver > BC, Seattle) this summer for festivals, let me or > others in this neck of > the woods know--perhaps something can be set up > along your journey to > parts further and farther to the north. > > In Portland, The Someday Lounge (which Lucio > Menegon just played at > on a bill with me) is a very supportive environment > for > improv/experimental/jazz-based and other out in > orbit aesthetics. Also > a little cafe/bar called Valentines is attractive > for small electronics, > laptop, microskronk, freejazz, etc. In Astoria > (which is lovely in a > very sleepy, one-morning-in-Maine kinda way), Paul > Hoskin books a > series: pchoskin at peak.org. Other possibilities > abound as well. > > Sorry about that Bay Bridge thing--kaboom. > > TdR > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > Ev oida oti oudev oida http://www.andrewwilshusen.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From damon at balancepointacoustics.com Thu May 3 14:39:42 2007 From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 14:39:42 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] North by Northwest In-Reply-To: <785155.35726.qm@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <785155.35726.qm@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <51804391b8beeed8105a6c5529699391@balancepointacoustics.com> I have always liked playing there, though. It has a good feeling and the beer and food are solid. On May 3, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Tim DuRoche wrote: > Phillip's well acquainted with that contraption, aren't you, PG? > > andrew wilshusen wrote: you'd fit right in at > the Tugboat > > http://www.d2m.com/Tugwebsite/ > > if you don't mind the high noise floor due to talking > and some damn fan. > > please visit > andrew > > --- Phillip Greenlief > wrote: > >> Tim, >> >> The Lost Trio wants to come through July (with our >> new CD in tow). >> Are there decent "jazz joints" where we might play? >> >> Miss you! >> PG >> >> Phillip Greenlief >> c/o Evander Music >> PO Box 22158 Oakland, CA >> 94623-9991 >> www.evandermusic.com >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu >> [mailto:newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu] On Behalf >> Of Tim DuRoche >> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:34 PM >> To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group >> Subject: [NewMusic] North by Northwest >> >> If any of you all are heading up toward Portland (or >> Olympia, Vancouver >> BC, Seattle) this summer for festivals, let me or >> others in this neck of >> the woods know--perhaps something can be set up >> along your journey to >> parts further and farther to the north. >> >> In Portland, The Someday Lounge (which Lucio >> Menegon just played at >> on a bill with me) is a very supportive environment >> for >> improv/experimental/jazz-based and other out in >> orbit aesthetics. Also >> a little cafe/bar called Valentines is attractive >> for small electronics, >> laptop, microskronk, freejazz, etc. In Astoria >> (which is lovely in a >> very sleepy, one-morning-in-Maine kinda way), Paul >> Hoskin books a >> series: pchoskin at peak.org. Other possibilities >> abound as well. >> >> Sorry about that Bay Bridge thing--kaboom. >> >> TdR >> _______________________________________________ >> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group >> NewMusic at music.mills.edu >> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group >> NewMusic at music.mills.edu >> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic >> > > > Ev oida oti oudev oida > > http://www.andrewwilshusen.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > > From jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com Thu May 3 15:26:31 2007 From: jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com (Jacob Lindsay) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 15:26:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewMusic] East Bay express best ofs for 21 grand and 1510 In-Reply-To: <5ccaf4fcfd0874f03ee4b72d26b82e48@balancepointacoustics.com> Message-ID: <767475.29825.qm@web58005.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Great to see some recognition! But I've just gotta say: 1) "the kind of wacky, experimental-music shows that wouldn't go over in a place like the Stork Club ? shows in which you'd expect to see Tom Djll blowing into the wrong end of a trumpet, Phillip Greenlief bobbling a triplet figure over" ....Since when are triplets experimental? 2) "pianist Scott Looney ? whose improvisations go so far off the beaten track that it's hard for others to play with him ?" ....Awwww Scott. That's okay. I'LL play with you. 3) "International names like German flutist Frank Gratkowski schedule dates here" ...I would say "That should be 'flautist'" except he's not that either. Oh well. At least they spelled the names right. --- Damon Smith wrote: > http://bestof.eastbayexpress.com/bestof/award.php?award=423932&year= > > http://bestof.eastbayexpress.com/bestof/award.php?award=423953&year= > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > Jacob Lindsay http://www.bayimproviser.com/artistdetail.asp?artist_id=44 http://www.myspace.com/mryellowcake __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com Thu May 3 15:30:14 2007 From: jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com (Jacob Lindsay) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 15:30:14 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewMusic] North by Northwest In-Reply-To: <51804391b8beeed8105a6c5529699391@balancepointacoustics.com> Message-ID: <398920.62209.qm@web58008.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Just don't schedule your gig for a night when a large party of hearing impaired folks plans on stopping by. They're pretty stiff on the tips. True story. --- Damon Smith wrote: > I have always liked playing there, though. It has a > good feeling and > the beer and food are solid. > On May 3, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Tim DuRoche wrote: > > > Phillip's well acquainted with that contraption, > aren't you, PG? > > > > andrew wilshusen wrote: > you'd fit right in at > > the Tugboat > > > > http://www.d2m.com/Tugwebsite/ > > > > if you don't mind the high noise floor due to > talking > > and some damn fan. > > > > please visit > > andrew > > > > --- Phillip Greenlief > > wrote: > > > >> Tim, > >> > >> The Lost Trio wants to come through July (with > our > >> new CD in tow). > >> Are there decent "jazz joints" where we might > play? > >> > >> Miss you! > >> PG > >> > >> Phillip Greenlief > >> c/o Evander Music > >> PO Box 22158 Oakland, CA > >> 94623-9991 > >> www.evandermusic.com > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu > >> [mailto:newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu] On > Behalf > >> Of Tim DuRoche > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:34 PM > >> To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > >> Subject: [NewMusic] North by Northwest > >> > >> If any of you all are heading up toward Portland > (or > >> Olympia, Vancouver > >> BC, Seattle) this summer for festivals, let me or > >> others in this neck of > >> the woods know--perhaps something can be set up > >> along your journey to > >> parts further and farther to the north. > >> > >> In Portland, The Someday Lounge (which Lucio > >> Menegon just played at > >> on a bill with me) is a very supportive > environment > >> for > >> improv/experimental/jazz-based and other out in > >> orbit aesthetics. Also > >> a little cafe/bar called Valentines is attractive > >> for small electronics, > >> laptop, microskronk, freejazz, etc. In Astoria > >> (which is lovely in a > >> very sleepy, one-morning-in-Maine kinda way), > Paul > >> Hoskin books a > >> series: pchoskin at peak.org. Other possibilities > >> abound as well. > >> > >> Sorry about that Bay Bridge thing--kaboom. > >> > >> TdR > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > >> NewMusic at music.mills.edu > >> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > >> NewMusic at music.mills.edu > >> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > >> > > > > > > Ev oida oti oudev oida > > > > http://www.andrewwilshusen.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > Jacob Lindsay http://www.bayimproviser.com/artistdetail.asp?artist_id=44 http://www.myspace.com/mryellowcake __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From ingalls at mills.edu Thu May 3 15:39:01 2007 From: ingalls at mills.edu (Matt J. Ingalls) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 15:39:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewMusic] Save Internet Radio In-Reply-To: References: <626626.35410.qm@web43139.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: well ASCAP/BMI goes to the owner of the "composition" which could indeed be the label if the artists signed it away. Soundexchange collects royalties for digital-only performance of the "recording" -- Soundexchange markets themselves as on the side of the artists, but as far as i have heard, it really seems mostly for the major labels and independents get nothing ( the same for ASCAP/BMI ) --- are any of you members - and have you ever gotten any payments? i have a hard time believing that they would be able to demand and collect royalties for non-members - where would the money end up?? my feeling is that if someone is making $$ off someone else's music they should pay for it - if an artist/label wants to try to make $$ off of their music they should be able to demand $$ for all performances -- but what about not-for-profit performances? it would be nice if the copyright owner could specify with their royalty company that an automatic creative-commons license would be applied in these circumstances. they also need to make a blanket license that would be flexible to handle a mix of various licenses -- right now it's $500 per listener per year or individual song payments -m On Thu, 3 May 2007, Michael Zelner wrote: > On 5/1/07, J. Segel wrote: > >> i've been following the upsurge of indignation at the new internet >> royalty rate >> ruling with some interest, because i seem to be on both sides of it. i have in >> the past made a somewhat meager living as a composer and performer, but have >> seen that entirely go away in the past couple of years. i understand that >> people want to listen to the radio, and in the past 20 years or so that i have >> had songs that were played on the radio, i actually got paid broadcast >> royalties (i'm talking college radio here, like maybe i made $1000 a year >> maximum. i don't understand tim westergren from pandora's assertion that >> broadcast radio doesn't pay these royalties at all...? >> http://blog.pandora.com/ >> ) but with the advent of satellite radio, where they purposely didn't make >> contracts with the performance rights groups for a couple years, they didn't >> pay for a while. now they do. same with internet radio. > > As I understand it, traditional radio play is seen as a benefit for > record labels by promoting sales of recorded music. Thus, while > royalties for air play do go to the composer/performer (via > organizations such as BMI, which of course stands for "Broadcast > Music, Inc."), the record labels themelves get nada. This goes all > the way back to the early days of music radio. (History repeated > itself in the early '80s with MTV, which the labels saw as a > promotional vehicle and so they did not negotiate royalty payments > for the use of music videos.) > > The newer "Internet radio" royalties only cover digital transmissions > of music, and don't apply to terrestrial radio stations (because that > ship sailed many years ago). The record labels don't want to make the > same mistake three times. > > MZ > > > > --------------michaelz at zoka.com--- > Michael Zelner > ---Oakland CA USA------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > From timduroche at variousartists.org Thu May 3 16:09:45 2007 From: timduroche at variousartists.org (Tim DuRoche) Date: Thu, 3 May 2007 16:09:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewMusic] North by Northwest In-Reply-To: <398920.62209.qm@web58008.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <929071.94674.qm@web33509.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I forgot about that. . .that was pretty surreal Jacob Lindsay wrote: Just don't schedule your gig for a night when a large party of hearing impaired folks plans on stopping by. They're pretty stiff on the tips. True story. --- Damon Smith wrote: > I have always liked playing there, though. It has a > good feeling and > the beer and food are solid. > On May 3, 2007, at 2:45 PM, Tim DuRoche wrote: > > > Phillip's well acquainted with that contraption, > aren't you, PG? > > > > andrew wilshusen wrote: > you'd fit right in at > > the Tugboat > > > > http://www.d2m.com/Tugwebsite/ > > > > if you don't mind the high noise floor due to > talking > > and some damn fan. > > > > please visit > > andrew > > > > --- Phillip Greenlief > > wrote: > > > >> Tim, > >> > >> The Lost Trio wants to come through July (with > our > >> new CD in tow). > >> Are there decent "jazz joints" where we might > play? > >> > >> Miss you! > >> PG > >> > >> Phillip Greenlief > >> c/o Evander Music > >> PO Box 22158 Oakland, CA > >> 94623-9991 > >> www.evandermusic.com > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu > >> [mailto:newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu] On > Behalf > >> Of Tim DuRoche > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2007 10:34 PM > >> To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > >> Subject: [NewMusic] North by Northwest > >> > >> If any of you all are heading up toward Portland > (or > >> Olympia, Vancouver > >> BC, Seattle) this summer for festivals, let me or > >> others in this neck of > >> the woods know--perhaps something can be set up > >> along your journey to > >> parts further and farther to the north. > >> > >> In Portland, The Someday Lounge (which Lucio > >> Menegon just played at > >> on a bill with me) is a very supportive > environment > >> for > >> improv/experimental/jazz-based and other out in > >> orbit aesthetics. Also > >> a little cafe/bar called Valentines is attractive > >> for small electronics, > >> laptop, microskronk, freejazz, etc. In Astoria > >> (which is lovely in a > >> very sleepy, one-morning-in-Maine kinda way), > Paul > >> Hoskin books a > >> series: pchoskin at peak.org. Other possibilities > >> abound as well. > >> > >> Sorry about that Bay Bridge thing--kaboom. > >> > >> TdR > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > >> NewMusic at music.mills.edu > >> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > >> NewMusic at music.mills.edu > >> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > >> > > > > > > Ev oida oti oudev oida > > > > http://www.andrewwilshusen.com > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > Jacob Lindsay http://www.bayimproviser.com/artistdetail.asp?artist_id=44 http://www.myspace.com/mryellowcake __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From olorin at lmi.net Thu May 3 23:46:47 2007 From: olorin at lmi.net (olorin at lmi.net) Date: Thu, 03 May 2007 23:46:47 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] Save Internet Radio Message-ID: <20070503234647.28xygk6pjc48ws00@webmail.lmi.net> so let me weigh in here on this discussion, though i've certainly never received royalties either for radio or internet play. i've only tangentially explored internet radio through pandora which i found pretty interesting overall. i've been reading various blogs about the situation and signed the petition as well and i hope something can be worked out. this situation looks like a pure money grab on the part of SoundExchange, until fairly recently part of the RIAA, the same company responsible for shutting down illegal downloading of music in various legal and not-so-legal ways. the RIAA has got just about the worlds absolute worst reputation on the planet at the moment so any company formerly affiliated with them i'd tend to look at with an extremely jaundiced eye and a truckload of salt to boot. the big deal with Sound Exchange is that they're now charging per song and per listener, whereas with radio it's just per song. i don't know what the copyright royalty rate was like before but to increase fees retroactively between 3 and 12 times the original amount paid by the station will put mid and small size for profit internet radio stations like Pandora and Live 365 out of business, and i can't help thinking that that's what the RIAA basically wants, to kill any possibility of independent distribution dead. except that's too glib of a situation. the real situation is more complex than this. this copyright royalty rate relates to the rates for a statutory license to play any RIAA artists' music on the Internet. this is so the station doesn't have to go through red tape asking permission of every artist on every label for an individual license for a song. internet radio stations complain that this red tape is too inconvenient but it strikes me that a simple web based interface is all it would take to have an artist or a rep personally approve the use of the license on the site. it would slow the process of processing material for that site, but the result is that a license fee could be worked out individually. the only issue is that fees would very likely vary a lot. there is of course the possibility that it could result in another licensing organization outside the RIAA which would manage all of the 'indy' licenses for internet performance, but RIAA forbids any member to use another licensing company which means the vast majority of classic jazz and rock tracks would remain locked up due to the strong - arming by the RIAA. oddly enough i don't see it affecting the experimental scene all that much. i think very few experimental labels are members of the RIAA and since there's not much money to be had from that sector i think it will largely get ignored. however finding stations (radio and internet) to play the music to potential buyers will become more difficult as larger independent websites shut down operations or redirect their energies to safer possibilities. it's quite possible at that point that the companies could end up being bought by a larger conglomerate. i am certain that some large companies will benefit from overturning the fee, but a lot of small and mid size companies will continue to flourish alongside and that's a good thing. SoundEXchange seems to be saying theat they're sticking up for the 'little guy' the artist's rights, but what they really mean is we want our 95/5 split (95 for them, 5 for the artist). anyway that's my .02 scott From pgsaxo at pacbell.net Fri May 4 00:26:15 2007 From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 00:26:15 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] North by Northwest In-Reply-To: <785155.35726.qm@web33513.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c78e1d$80c6daa0$4001a8c0@PG> -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Tim DuRoche Subject: Re: [NewMusic] North by Northwest Phillip's well acquainted with that contraption, aren't you, PG? PG: The one time I get to play a set of improvised music in a trio with you and Damon, and I have to sacrifice all possible subtle stuff because the fan drowns you out if you play quietly (anything below what I would call mp). I enjoyed including the sounds of noisy market street traffic at my solo performance at the Luggage Store, which was ultimately more satisfying than trying to play with the fan at Tugboat - at least the traffic gives you a moment of silence once in a while to work with... I had a dream about that fan. It wasn't a nice dream. From pgsaxo at pacbell.net Fri May 4 00:29:37 2007 From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 00:29:37 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] North by Northwest In-Reply-To: <51804391b8beeed8105a6c5529699391@balancepointacoustics.com> Message-ID: <000101c78e1d$f8ffd4e0$4001a8c0@PG> -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Damon Smith Subject: Re: [NewMusic] North by Northwest I have always liked playing there, though. It has a good feeling and the beer and food are solid. PG: I can't vouch for the beer, but Damon's right about the food. And that awesome all night donut shop is within quick walking distance (they have 420 donuts there and have live shows - mostly solo or duo - that's where I want to play solo next time I'm up there - you play on a platform above the donut carousel !!!). From pgsaxo at pacbell.net Fri May 4 01:11:04 2007 From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 01:11:04 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] East Bay express best ofs for 21 grand and 1510 In-Reply-To: <767475.29825.qm@web58005.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001c78e23$c3a071a0$4001a8c0@PG> -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Jacob Lindsay Subject: Re: [NewMusic] East Bay express best ofs for 21 grand and 1510 Great to see some recognition! But I've just gotta say: 1) "the kind of wacky, experimental-music shows that wouldn't go over in a place like the Stork Club - shows in which you'd expect to see Tom Djll blowing into the wrong end of a trumpet, Phillip Greenlief bobbling a triplet figure over" ....Since when are triplets experimental? PG: When you bobble them... That writer was tapping into the Noisy People Zeitgeist - both of those activities are in the film...who was the writer? I couldn't find a name associated with it. Was it Kelly Vance? My favorite was "ultracosmopolitan East Bay" :p !!!!!!!!!!!!!! My spell-check had a problem with ultracosmopolitan My missed-the-boat-check had a problem with the concept in general) JL: 2) "pianist Scott Looney - whose improvisations go so far off the beaten track that it's hard for others to play with him -" PG: Who are these "others"? That's what I want to know. Like, Kitaro? JL: 3) "International names like German flutist Frank Gratkowski schedule dates here" PG: More Noisy People zeitgeist - Frank plays his clarinet shakuhachi-style in the film (with the mouthpiece off - blowing into the tube of the instrument). It sounds like a flute in the film (I know, "flutist..."). And BTW: I SCHEDULE THOSE DATES FOR HIM!!!!!!! JL: ...I would say "That should be 'flautist'" except he's not that either. PG: What species is he exactly? (plant? animal? vegetable?) Raskin and I can't work it out - he seems human, but...he can play an alto saxophone an octave lower than anyone else on the planet. And he has a working range of about a minor third down there... From tim at perkis.com Fri May 4 02:22:13 2007 From: tim at perkis.com (Tim Perkis) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 02:22:13 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of Message-ID: <463AFB45.9040504@perkis.com> Tom Djll blowing into the wrong end of a trumpet, Phillip Greenlief bobbling a triplet figure over and over... Triplets!!! and repeated!!?!?!?! That IS too far out for the stork club. the distorting effect of the media: He got those things from NOISY PEOPLE. Dill is going to end up playing backwards trumpet for every gig, his fans will be demanding it From bradysharp at gmail.com Fri May 4 07:43:45 2007 From: bradysharp at gmail.com (Brady Sharp) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 09:43:45 -0500 Subject: [NewMusic] Save Internet Radio In-Reply-To: <20070503234647.28xygk6pjc48ws00@webmail.lmi.net> References: <20070503234647.28xygk6pjc48ws00@webmail.lmi.net> Message-ID: The most loathesome thing about this is that Sound Exchange collects royalties on behalf of even non-RIAA labels, so even if someone releases their music for free, Sound Exchange is getting paid for it. Theoretically, if you want to stream your OWN music for free, they'll get paid. I used to feel more on the fence, but most of me now regards the RIAA as a bunch of greedy thugs, sueing whoever they can to scare as many as possible. I'm not one of those that abdicates stealing music, but their scare tactics are pretty outrageous nowadays, and the more artists that unaffiliate themselves from the RIAA (if that's possible!), the better everyone will be. The RIAA as a corporation is more loathed than Wal-Mart according to a recent poll. You have to work pretty hard to achieve that status! Brady On 5/4/07, olorin at lmi.net wrote: > so let me weigh in here on this discussion, though i've certainly > never received royalties either for radio or internet play. i've only > tangentially explored internet radio through pandora which i found > pretty interesting overall. i've been reading various blogs about the > situation and signed the petition as well and i hope something can be > worked out. > > this situation looks like a pure money grab on the part of > SoundExchange, until fairly recently part of the RIAA, the same > company responsible for shutting down illegal downloading of music in > various legal and not-so-legal ways. the RIAA has got just about the > worlds absolute worst reputation on the planet at the moment so any > company formerly affiliated with them i'd tend to look at with an > extremely jaundiced eye and a truckload of salt to boot. > > the big deal with Sound Exchange is that they're now charging per song > and per listener, whereas with radio it's just per song. i don't know > what the copyright royalty rate was like before but to increase fees > retroactively between 3 and 12 times the original amount paid by the > station will put mid and small size for profit internet radio stations > like Pandora and Live 365 out of business, and i can't help thinking > that that's what the RIAA basically wants, to kill any possibility of > independent distribution dead. > > except that's too glib of a situation. the real situation is more > complex than this. this copyright royalty rate relates to the rates > for a statutory license to play any RIAA artists' music on the > Internet. this is so the station doesn't have to go through red tape > asking permission of every artist on every label for an individual > license for a song. internet radio stations complain that this red > tape is too inconvenient but it strikes me that a simple web based > interface is all it would take to have an artist or a rep personally > approve the use of the license on the site. it would slow the process > of processing material for that site, but the result is that a license > fee could be worked out individually. the only issue is that fees > would very likely vary a lot. > > there is of course the possibility that it could result in another > licensing organization outside the RIAA which would manage all of the > 'indy' licenses for internet performance, but RIAA forbids any member > to use another licensing company which means the vast majority of > classic jazz and rock tracks would remain locked up due to the strong > - arming by the RIAA. > > oddly enough i don't see it affecting the experimental scene all that > much. i think very few experimental labels are members of the RIAA and > since there's not much money to be had from that sector i think it > will largely get ignored. > > however finding stations (radio and internet) to play the music to > potential buyers will become more difficult as larger independent > websites shut down operations or redirect their energies to safer > possibilities. it's quite possible at that point that the companies > could end up being bought by a larger conglomerate. > > i am certain that some large companies will benefit from overturning > the fee, but a lot of small and mid size companies will continue to > flourish alongside and that's a good thing. SoundEXchange seems to be > saying theat they're sticking up for the 'little guy' the artist's > rights, but what they really mean is we want our 95/5 split (95 for > them, 5 for the artist). > > anyway that's my .02 > > scott > > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > From timduroche at variousartists.org Fri May 4 09:22:41 2007 From: timduroche at variousartists.org (Tim DuRoche) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 09:22:41 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewMusic] North by Northwest In-Reply-To: <000101c78e1d$f8ffd4e0$4001a8c0@PG> Message-ID: <790317.85221.qm@web33504.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Voodoo Doughnut! All traveling improvisers should know this place. Actually that nexus near the Tugboat is great for cheap food--El Grillo, Mexican joint next to Tug; the ring of food carts on 5th Ave. (a veritable globalism of cuisines: Czech Schnitzelwich, Tennessee BBQ, African, Polish, Thai, Greek, Croatian meat pies, Peruvian, Puerto Rican). But Voodoo is in a class by itself: http://www.voodoodoughnut.com/ Not only can you buy doughnuts, by the "coffin full" if you want . . you can also take Swahili classes there and they're open 24 hours. Favorites from their menu include: Neapolitan (chocoalte doughnut with vanilla frosting and strawberry quick powder) Triple Chocolate Penetration (chocolate doughnut, chocolate glaze, and cocoa-puffs) Dirty Snowball (chocolate cake doughnut covered with pink marshmallow glaze and surprise filling) Apple Fritter (apple/glaze/doughnut as big as your head) Cock-n-Balls (Bachlorette party favorite, tripple cream filled, with your favorite saying written right on it. Comes in its own pink box. $4.95 Order ahead as supplies can be limited.) Nyquil Glazed and pepto-bismol (currently on hold) VEGAN (thats right, vegan doughnuts! assorted flavors, come in and eat many) Phillip Greenlief wrote: -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Damon Smith Subject: Re: [NewMusic] North by Northwest I have always liked playing there, though. It has a good feeling and the beer and food are solid. PG: I can't vouch for the beer, but Damon's right about the food. And that awesome all night donut shop is within quick walking distance (they have 420 donuts there and have live shows - mostly solo or duo - that's where I want to play solo next time I'm up there - you play on a platform above the donut carousel !!!). _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From gcremaschi at hotmail.com Fri May 4 09:44:38 2007 From: gcremaschi at hotmail.com (George Cremaschi) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 09:44:38 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: <463AFB45.9040504@perkis.com> Message-ID: Typical: nice 'awards' from basically the only publication in town, meaning the East Bay, which if anyone hadn't noticed is where almost all of us live and play at this point, and y'all get out yer red pencils and pore over every line, looking for each and every slight, imagined or real...hopefully no one's sent a righteous e-mail to the anonymous author, or it'll be another five years until the next honorable mention. By the way, 'flutist' is corrrect, at least in this country... 'flautist' is, according to my MacBook dictionary, "chiefly British". -George _________________________________________________________________ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 From polly.moller at gmail.com Fri May 4 09:46:25 2007 From: polly.moller at gmail.com (Polly Moller) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 09:46:25 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: References: <463AFB45.9040504@perkis.com> Message-ID: <2eb068d40705040946j2ae07d5dm394774c7cc00a114@mail.gmail.com> On 5/4/07, George Cremaschi wrote: > By the way, 'flutist' is corrrect, at least in this country... > 'flautist' is, according to my MacBook dictionary, > "chiefly British". > My business card says "flutist", and that's what I always introduce myself as. I don't happen to own a flaut. ;) P. -- ------------------------------------- http://www.pollymoller.com ------------------------------------- From phil at philipgelb.com Fri May 4 09:50:07 2007 From: phil at philipgelb.com (Philip Gelb) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 09:50:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: <2eb068d40705040946j2ae07d5dm394774c7cc00a114@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <12873.23072.qm@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> --- Polly Moller wrote: > My business card says "flutist", and that's what I > always introduce myself as. > I don't happen to own a flaut. ;) i think that in order to be a flautist you have to earn over 100,000 a year or be a really affected twit of sorts. The rest of us are simply flute players. Philip Gelb shakuhachi player, teacher vegetarian chef http://philipgelb.com http://myspace.com/inthemoodforfood http://myspace.com/philipgelb From polly.moller at gmail.com Fri May 4 09:54:43 2007 From: polly.moller at gmail.com (Polly Moller) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 09:54:43 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: <12873.23072.qm@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> References: <2eb068d40705040946j2ae07d5dm394774c7cc00a114@mail.gmail.com> <12873.23072.qm@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2eb068d40705040954h4948cc56sc7e71f4d5f0b7545@mail.gmail.com> On 5/4/07, Philip Gelb wrote: > > --- Polly Moller wrote: > > > My business card says "flutist", and that's what I > > always introduce myself as. > > I don't happen to own a flaut. ;) > > i think that in order to be a flautist you have to > earn over 100,000 a year or be a really affected twit > of sorts. The rest of us are simply flute players. > Indeed! That's what I used to tell people, was that the term was salary-based. ;) Maybe it's in the East Bay Express style guide? When Sam Hurwitt covered the Rock Lotto a couple of years ago, he wrote me up as "flautist Polly Moller". P. -- ------------------------------------- http://www.pollymoller.com ------------------------------------- From damon at balancepointacoustics.com Fri May 4 09:57:54 2007 From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 09:57:54 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: <2eb068d40705040946j2ae07d5dm394774c7cc00a114@mail.gmail.com> References: <463AFB45.9040504@perkis.com> <2eb068d40705040946j2ae07d5dm394774c7cc00a114@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I am with Tim - it looked like the writer had just scene "Noisy People" where Frank is playing his clarinet like a flute. In an old thin man movie I saw the clarinet referred to as a "Jew Flute", I prefer "Gloom tube" as Mr. Ingle called it. Damon On May 4, 2007, at 9:46 AM, Polly Moller wrote: > On 5/4/07, George Cremaschi wrote: > >> By the way, 'flutist' is corrrect, at least in this country... >> 'flautist' is, according to my MacBook dictionary, >> "chiefly British". >> > > My business card says "flutist", and that's what I always introduce > myself as. > I don't happen to own a flaut. ;) > > P. > > -- > ------------------------------------- > http://www.pollymoller.com > ------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > > From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com Fri May 4 10:03:39 2007 From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:03:39 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: <2eb068d40705040954h4948cc56sc7e71f4d5f0b7545@mail.gmail.com> References: <2eb068d40705040946j2ae07d5dm394774c7cc00a114@mail.gmail.com> <12873.23072.qm@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <2eb068d40705040954h4948cc56sc7e71f4d5f0b7545@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <5db4e60ba459dafe40e6be4cc37bbe79@matthewgoodheart.com> On May 4, 2007, at 9:54 AM, Polly Moller wrote: > When Sam Hurwitt > covered the Rock Lotto a couple of years ago, he wrote me up as > "flautist Polly Moller". > Maybe it was misspelled and he meant "floutist". . . sure would look good on a business card. . . From polly.moller at gmail.com Fri May 4 10:06:27 2007 From: polly.moller at gmail.com (Polly Moller) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:06:27 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: <5db4e60ba459dafe40e6be4cc37bbe79@matthewgoodheart.com> References: <2eb068d40705040946j2ae07d5dm394774c7cc00a114@mail.gmail.com> <12873.23072.qm@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <2eb068d40705040954h4948cc56sc7e71f4d5f0b7545@mail.gmail.com> <5db4e60ba459dafe40e6be4cc37bbe79@matthewgoodheart.com> Message-ID: <2eb068d40705041006s20cce2f2lb6e848902df70c61@mail.gmail.com> On 5/4/07, Matthew Goodheart wrote: > Maybe it was misspelled and he meant "floutist". . . sure would look > good on a business card. . . "Snake Plissken, floutist"...:) P. -- ------------------------------------- http://www.pollymoller.com ------------------------------------- From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com Fri May 4 10:17:06 2007 From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:17:06 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: <2eb068d40705041006s20cce2f2lb6e848902df70c61@mail.gmail.com> References: <2eb068d40705040946j2ae07d5dm394774c7cc00a114@mail.gmail.com> <12873.23072.qm@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <2eb068d40705040954h4948cc56sc7e71f4d5f0b7545@mail.gmail.com> <5db4e60ba459dafe40e6be4cc37bbe79@matthewgoodheart.com> <2eb068d40705041006s20cce2f2lb6e848902df70c61@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4a8c476b318df89aa3da4d1eecd4718c@matthewgoodheart.com> > On 5/4/07, Matthew Goodheart wrote: > >> Maybe it was misspelled and he meant "floutist". . . sure would look >> good on a business card. . . > > "Snake Plissken, floutist"...:) Well, I can see wanting to be taxied around by Ernest Borgnine, but please tell me you wouldn't break into a giant prison to save the President. . . From jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com Fri May 4 10:25:36 2007 From: jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com (Jacob Lindsay) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:25:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <860177.6867.qm@web58009.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Chill out George. I started my message by saying it's great to see the recognition. I'm not complaining. That doesn't mean we can't still poke fun at a few choice phrases. --- George Cremaschi wrote: > > Typical: nice 'awards' from basically the only > publication in town, meaning the East Bay, which > if anyone hadn't noticed is where almost all of us > live and play at this point, and y'all get out yer > red pencils and pore over every line, looking for > each and every slight, imagined or real...hopefully > no one's sent a righteous e-mail to the anonymous > author, > or it'll be another five years until the next > honorable mention. > > By the way, 'flutist' is corrrect, at least in this > country... > 'flautist' is, according to my MacBook dictionary, > "chiefly British". > > -George > > _________________________________________________________________ > Need a break? Find your escape route with Live > Search Maps. > http://maps.live.com/default.aspx?ss=Restaurants~Hotels~Amusement%20Park&cp=33.832922~-117.915659&style=r&lvl=13&tilt=-90&dir=0&alt=-1000&scene=1118863&encType=1&FORM=MGAC01 > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > Jacob Lindsay http://www.bayimproviser.com/artistdetail.asp?artist_id=44 http://www.myspace.com/mryellowcake ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php From polly.moller at gmail.com Fri May 4 10:26:18 2007 From: polly.moller at gmail.com (Polly Moller) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:26:18 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: <4a8c476b318df89aa3da4d1eecd4718c@matthewgoodheart.com> References: <2eb068d40705040946j2ae07d5dm394774c7cc00a114@mail.gmail.com> <12873.23072.qm@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <2eb068d40705040954h4948cc56sc7e71f4d5f0b7545@mail.gmail.com> <5db4e60ba459dafe40e6be4cc37bbe79@matthewgoodheart.com> <2eb068d40705041006s20cce2f2lb6e848902df70c61@mail.gmail.com> <4a8c476b318df89aa3da4d1eecd4718c@matthewgoodheart.com> Message-ID: <2eb068d40705041026v3186b075n24aba3b968bc1b33@mail.gmail.com> On 5/4/07, Matthew Goodheart wrote: > > On 5/4/07, Matthew Goodheart wrote: > Well, I can see wanting to be taxied around by Ernest Borgnine, but > please tell me you wouldn't break into a giant prison to save the > President. . . > Hell no. Snake would not act on behalf of this president no matter how hard up he was! There should be some kind of "Escape from 21 Grand" kind of improv theme event. There's a force field around the venue and the large ensemble must remain inside, except for members who are released one by one as hostage negotiations permit. Although this is starting to sound more like "Survivor: The Large Ensemble". We each only get one, maybe two instruments and one personal item. We can only eat and drink what's in the cooler. P. -- ------------------------------------- http://www.pollymoller.com ------------------------------------- From jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com Fri May 4 10:29:53 2007 From: jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com (Jacob Lindsay) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: <860177.6867.qm@web58009.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <653299.33124.qm@web58011.mail.re3.yahoo.com> > > 'flautist' is, according to my MacBook dictionary, > > "chiefly British". i think that in order to be a flautist you have to > earn over 100,000 a year or be a really affected twit > of sorts. My mistake. Obviously I watched too much Monty Python in my youth. -Jacob "Middle Class Twit of the Year" Lindsay Jacob Lindsay http://www.bayimproviser.com/artistdetail.asp?artist_id=44 http://www.myspace.com/mryellowcake ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by "Green Rating" at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/ From praemedia at yahoo.com Fri May 4 10:37:59 2007 From: praemedia at yahoo.com (Praemedia) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: <2eb068d40705041026v3186b075n24aba3b968bc1b33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <923569.98134.qm@web51611.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > There should be some kind of "Escape from 21 Grand" > kind of improv theme > event. There's a force field around the venue and > the large ensemble > must remain inside, except for members who are > released one by one as > hostage negotiations permit. > Although this is starting to sound more like > "Survivor: The Large Ensemble". WOW.Greatest idea EVER. If know one else does this I will. I'm so excited about it I might just by a ski mask on the way home...... cheers. lance grabmiller do: www.praemedia.com sell: shop.praemedia.com write: blog.myspace.com/lancegrabmiller view: www.flickr.com/photos/praemedia/ share: www.google.com/reader/shared/17841127405884603665 film: http://youtube.com/praemedia Web 1.2.4 rev. a compliant since 1997. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From 21grand at 21grand.org Fri May 4 10:38:17 2007 From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 10:38:17 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of Message-ID: George Cremaschi wrote: Typical: nice 'awards' from basically the only publication in town, meaning the East Bay, which if anyone hadn't noticed is where almost all of us live and play at this point, and y'all get out yer red pencils and pore over every line, looking for each and every slight, imagined or real... - and we shouldn't criticize the president either, because he's the only one we got, right? I don't know who wrote the blurbage, by which we were fairly flattered, though we were scratching our heads at the part that mentions Mr. Djll and Phillip, until we realized, "Aha, it came from Noisy People!" (The last time the writer seemingly picked a few names from our previous month's calendar.) I wouldn't be surprised if it was Kelly Vance. His heart is in the right place, but he's a lazy writer, and regularly gets things wrong, though I do appreciate his effort at actually writing, rather than cutting and pasting. Whenever I see the exact verbiage of press releases in write-ups in the paper, I start thinking of trained monkeys and requesting payment of the paper for writing their content ... no payment, "then, the least you could do is quote me." (Berin Golonu's cut and pasting of text from my performance proposal in her curatorial statement for that "Sampling Oakland" show at YBCA is another story ... she really should have quoted me ... but then really, should one have more professional respect for a YBCA curator than a New Times writer/copy editor?) For the record, Darren was thrilled that the Express, for once (since 2001) got his name right ... after being referred to as Darren Johnston and Dennis Jenkins. GC: hopefully no one's sent a righteous e-mail to the anonymous author, or it'll be another five years until the next honorable mention. - well we got "best of the East Bay" in 2004, and since then I have sent a righteous email in response to that "Hipster Invasion" cover story. So I don't see how that follows. In fact, they might be more likely to honorably mention you if you write them righteous emails. They love printing them! It's the New Times M.O. sl From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com Fri May 4 10:50:11 2007 From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:50:11 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: <2eb068d40705041026v3186b075n24aba3b968bc1b33@mail.gmail.com> References: <2eb068d40705040946j2ae07d5dm394774c7cc00a114@mail.gmail.com> <12873.23072.qm@web83710.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> <2eb068d40705040954h4948cc56sc7e71f4d5f0b7545@mail.gmail.com> <5db4e60ba459dafe40e6be4cc37bbe79@matthewgoodheart.com> <2eb068d40705041006s20cce2f2lb6e848902df70c61@mail.gmail.com> <4a8c476b318df89aa3da4d1eecd4718c@matthewgoodheart.com> <2eb068d40705041026v3186b075n24aba3b968bc1b33@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ac1fefd924bed386480a71237419af7@matthewgoodheart.com> I thought that was the plot of "Noisy People II." The sequel is better than the original! (Although "Noisy People III: This Time It's Personal", where Fuzzy Bunny and sfSound band together to create and enormous electro-acoustic group to defeat Russian nuclear terrorists, totally sucks. . . except, of course, for Vin Diesel's performance as Damon Smith. . .) On May 4, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Polly Moller wrote: > There should be some kind of "Escape from 21 Grand" kind of improv > theme > event. There's a force field around the venue and the large ensemble > must remain inside, except for members who are released one by one as > hostage negotiations permit. > Although this is starting to sound more like "Survivor: The Large > Ensemble". From 21grand at 21grand.org Fri May 4 10:57:17 2007 From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 10:57:17 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of Message-ID: And we can get Kimric (who runs the accordion shop on our premises) to rig time-sensitive explosive devices onto the performers bodies that will detonate if they play past their allotted times! uh ... no sl On May 4, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Polly Moller wrote: > There should be some kind of "Escape from 21 Grand" kind of improv > theme > event. There's a force field around the venue and the large ensemble > must remain inside, except for members who are released one by one as > hostage negotiations permit. > Although this is starting to sound more like "Survivor: The Large > Ensemble". From praemedia at yahoo.com Fri May 4 10:58:49 2007 From: praemedia at yahoo.com (Praemedia) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:58:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <351095.59432.qm@web51610.mail.re2.yahoo.com> I don't remeber snake in "Battle Royale"..... --- Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> wrote: > And we can get Kimric (who runs the accordion shop > on our premises) to rig > time-sensitive explosive devices onto the performers > bodies that will > detonate if they play past their allotted times! > > uh ... no > > sl > > On May 4, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Polly Moller wrote: > > > There should be some kind of "Escape from 21 > Grand" kind of improv > > theme > > event. There's a force field around the venue and > the large ensemble > > must remain inside, except for members who are > released one by one as > > hostage negotiations permit. > > Although this is starting to sound more like > "Survivor: The Large > > Ensemble". > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From polly.moller at gmail.com Fri May 4 10:59:12 2007 From: polly.moller at gmail.com (Polly Moller) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 10:59:12 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2eb068d40705041059r7990f285j634fbd86c7a1a629@mail.gmail.com> This is adding a bit of a Logan's Run element. Mixed metaphors are good! P. On 5/4/07, Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> wrote: > And we can get Kimric (who runs the accordion shop on our premises) to rig > time-sensitive explosive devices onto the performers bodies that will > detonate if they play past their allotted times! > > uh ... no > > sl > > On May 4, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Polly Moller wrote: > > > There should be some kind of "Escape from 21 Grand" kind of improv > > theme > > event. There's a force field around the venue and the large ensemble > > must remain inside, except for members who are released one by one as > > hostage negotiations permit. > > Although this is starting to sound more like "Survivor: The Large > > Ensemble". > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > -- ------------------------------------- http://www.pollymoller.com ------------------------------------- From praemedia at yahoo.com Fri May 4 11:04:07 2007 From: praemedia at yahoo.com (Praemedia) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 11:04:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewMusic] noisy peeps Message-ID: <20070504180407.38465.qmail@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com> so where is the official soundtrack? I want a copy. ;-) cheers. lance ____________________________________________________________________________________ Be a PS3 game guru. Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at Yahoo! Games. http://videogames.yahoo.com/platform?platform=120121 From 21grand at 21grand.org Fri May 4 11:07:25 2007 From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 11:07:25 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of bay area improv - the campy 80s movie remake Message-ID: - And can we get Willem Dafoe channeling Klaus Kinski as Peter Murphy in leather pants like in Streets of Fire? (Streets of Fire was a really awful movie except for said Dafoe performance.) sl This is adding a bit of a Logan's Run element. Mixed metaphors are good! P. On 5/4/07, Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> wrote: > And we can get Kimric (who runs the accordion shop on our premises) to rig > time-sensitive explosive devices onto the performers bodies that will > detonate if they play past their allotted times! > > uh ... no > > sl > > On May 4, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Polly Moller wrote: > > > There should be some kind of "Escape from 21 Grand" kind of improv > > theme > > event. There's a force field around the venue and the large ensemble > > must remain inside, except for members who are released one by one as > > hostage negotiations permit. > > Although this is starting to sound more like "Survivor: The Large > > Ensemble". > > ____________________________________ From polly.moller at gmail.com Fri May 4 11:19:16 2007 From: polly.moller at gmail.com (Polly Moller) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 11:19:16 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of bay area improv - the campy 80s movie remake In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2eb068d40705041119r77b43fc0l4c9f504d21247796@mail.gmail.com> I vote we get the real Peter Murphy. He would harsh everyone's mellow and whoever could get him to sing with the large ensemble should be the winner. *drool* P. On 5/4/07, Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> wrote: > - And can we get Willem Dafoe channeling Klaus Kinski as Peter Murphy in > leather pants like in Streets of Fire? (Streets of Fire was a really awful > movie except for said Dafoe performance.) > > sl > > This is adding a bit of a Logan's Run element. > Mixed metaphors are good! > P. > > On 5/4/07, Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> wrote: > > And we can get Kimric (who runs the accordion shop on our premises) to rig > > time-sensitive explosive devices onto the performers bodies that will > > detonate if they play past their allotted times! > > > > uh ... no > > > > sl > > > > On May 4, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Polly Moller wrote: > > > > > There should be some kind of "Escape from 21 Grand" kind of improv > > > theme > > > event. There's a force field around the venue and the large ensemble > > > must remain inside, except for members who are released one by one as > > > hostage negotiations permit. > > > Although this is starting to sound more like "Survivor: The Large > > > Ensemble". > > > > ____________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > -- ------------------------------------- http://www.pollymoller.com ------------------------------------- From pgsaxo at pacbell.net Fri May 4 11:20:04 2007 From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 11:20:04 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c78e78$d6ff8c40$4001a8c0@PG> ----Original Message----- On Behalf Of George Cremaschi Subject: Re: [NewMusic] best of Typical: nice 'awards' from basically the only publication in town, meaning the East Bay, which if anyone hadn't noticed is where almost all of us live and play at this point, and y'all get out yer red pencils and pore over every line, looking for each and every slight, imagined or real...hopefully no one's sent a righteous e-mail to the anonymous author, or it'll be another five years until the next honorable mention. By the way, 'flutist' is corrrect, at least in this country... 'flautist' is, according to my MacBook dictionary, "chiefly British". -George PG: I didn't really have a problem with the article, but I still think "ultracosmopolitan east bay" is damn funny. Yes, I live here. Yes, I love 21 Grand...that's what we should be saying. We couldn't survive without them and it's nice they got some recognition. But if you didn't notice (although I'm sure you did), the EB Express stopped supporting us when it was bought by the larger publishing corporation (whoever it is that owns San Jose Mercury News) whose rules are: if they don't pay for ads in our publications, we don't write about them...that's hardly good journalism, or "free speech". Derk Richardson and many other good writers were given the sack to make way for more ads. I used to love the articles in the EBE (on any subject, not just music), but now they offer little more than sound-bytes - and I don't have to like that, or them just because they're "supporting us". They "promote" 21 Grand in this article, but with a good dose of condescension. They might as well say, "Oh, there goes those kooky improvisers again - look, they don't even know which end of the trumpet to blow on". I read it because it's the only game in town. I don't have to bow down to them just because they threw us a rather cracked bone of appreciation. "Flutist" sounds wrong to me. I can't help it. I don't care if it's in the dictionary. From pgsaxo at pacbell.net Fri May 4 11:22:51 2007 From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 11:22:51 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: <2eb068d40705040946j2ae07d5dm394774c7cc00a114@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000601c78e79$3ac56330$4001a8c0@PG> -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of Polly Moller Subject: Re: [NewMusic] best of My business card says "flutist", and that's what I always introduce myself as. I don't happen to own a flaut. ;) P. PG: I defer to you, of course, because it's your instrument. It still sounds wrong to me. I'm an old dog and can't learn new tricks. I was trained to say flautist. Flutist just doesn't roll off my tongue (OK no puns or jokes...) ;) From 21grand at 21grand.org Fri May 4 11:24:56 2007 From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 11:24:56 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of bay area improv - the campy 80s movie remake Message-ID: - Aurora Josephson did a truly awesome cover of Bauhaus' "Double Dare" in the back of Jon Brumit's van at the FestEvil last year! sl I vote we get the real Peter Murphy. He would harsh everyone's mellow and whoever could get him to sing with the large ensemble should be the winner. *drool* P. On 5/4/07, Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> wrote: > - And can we get Willem Dafoe channeling Klaus Kinski as Peter Murphy in > leather pants like in Streets of Fire? (Streets of Fire was a really awful > movie except for said Dafoe performance.) > > sl > From damon at balancepointacoustics.com Fri May 4 11:31:17 2007 From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 11:31:17 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of bay area improv - the campy 80s movie remake In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <27cda575e55984b036fcc4ed8e4273f8@balancepointacoustics.com> Or Willem Dafoe channeling Tim Treadwell channeling Kinski...... On May 4, 2007, at 11:07 AM, Sarah - 21 Grand wrote: > - And can we get Willem Dafoe channeling Klaus Kinski as Peter Murphy > in > leather pants like in Streets of Fire? (Streets of Fire was a really > awful > movie except for said Dafoe performance.) > > sl > > This is adding a bit of a Logan's Run element. > Mixed metaphors are good! > P. > > On 5/4/07, Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> wrote: >> And we can get Kimric (who runs the accordion shop on our premises) >> to rig >> time-sensitive explosive devices onto the performers bodies that will >> detonate if they play past their allotted times! >> >> uh ... no >> >> sl >> >> On May 4, 2007, at 10:26 AM, Polly Moller wrote: >> >>> There should be some kind of "Escape from 21 Grand" kind of improv >>> theme >>> event. There's a force field around the venue and the large ensemble >>> must remain inside, except for members who are released one by one as >>> hostage negotiations permit. >>> Although this is starting to sound more like "Survivor: The Large >>> Ensemble". >> >> ____________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > > From 21grand at 21grand.org Fri May 4 11:36:11 2007 From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 11:36:11 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of bay area improv - the campy 80s movie remake Message-ID: - Shadow of A Vampire was a real exemplary movie, because Dafoe channeling Kinski is the crux of the film ... plus it has Udo Kier in it. And if you haven't seen Udo Kier in the Warhol Frankenstein movie, you should. sl Damon wrote: Or Willem Dafoe channeling Tim Treadwell channeling Kinski...... On May 4, 2007, at 11:07 AM, Sarah - 21 Grand wrote: > - And can we get Willem Dafoe channeling Klaus Kinski as Peter Murphy > in > leather pants like in Streets of Fire? (Streets of Fire was a really > awful > movie except for said Dafoe performance.) > > sl > From elsuperfantastico at yahoo.com Fri May 4 12:08:17 2007 From: elsuperfantastico at yahoo.com (Chris Broderick) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 12:08:17 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <59934.30268.qm@web50307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> wrote: > George Cremaschi wrote: > Typical: nice 'awards' from basically the only > publication in town, meaning the East Bay, which > if anyone hadn't noticed is where almost all of us > live and play at this point, and y'all get out yer > red pencils and pore over every line, looking for > each and every slight, imagined or real... > > - and we shouldn't criticize the president either, > because he's the only one > we got, right? OK, that is a ridiculous and confused analogy. Being an armchair editor is the same as the Bush Admin & proxies attempts to shut down dissent how exactly? -Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From gcremaschi at hotmail.com Fri May 4 12:21:41 2007 From: gcremaschi at hotmail.com (George Cremaschi) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 12:21:41 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Mr Lindsay wrote: >Chill out George Okay. Sorry. Ms Lockhart wrote: >and we shouldn't criticize the president either, because he's the only one >we got, right? That is a lame and irrelevant analogy. Please try again. As far as "bowing down" to the East Bay Express goes, well I'm not advocating that. Obviously, it's a completely stupid, corporate rag. Still, after all these years, I can't help but notice the cycle of a) bitching about not getting any press and then b) picking it apart, line by line, when it actually happens. I'm not sure what reaction folks expect when they blow into the bell of their trumpet, but I'd say take a cue from Cage (see the YouTube clip referenced here last week) and expect laughter and derision, show grace and good humor in the face of it, and then kick ass in spite of it. And finally, concerning "Escape from 21Grand": an endless jam, with mostly dudes, and a couple of bottles of Two-Buck Chuck? Uh, I think I'm out of town that week... love, George _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the i?m Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 From pgsaxo at pacbell.net Fri May 4 12:47:29 2007 From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 12:47:29 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000001c78e85$0d742ae0$4001a8c0@PG> -----Original Message----- On Behalf Of George Cremaschi Subject: Re: [NewMusic] best of As far as "bowing down" to the East Bay Express goes, well I'm not advocating that. Obviously, it's a completely stupid, corporate rag. Still, after all these years, I can't help but notice the cycle of a) bitching about not getting any press and then b) picking it apart, line by line, when it actually happens. PG: I'm just trying to put the "press" in perspective here... I know you know this, but I've learned that local press is something that is really hard to derive any real satisfaction from...it's your home town paper and for me, not wholly unlike getting a good review from your mom. I am much happier when I get "press" (an actual review, not a sound-byte) from someone that doesn't know me and lives in a town that I rarely frequent - then it seems a little more real, a little more sincere somehow - or at least not "prodded" in any real way. They have no reason to pay allegiance to me - so it has a little more impact. But really, when's the last time you took a review of your work seriously? When's the last time you changed your playing because a critic said something about your music? Ultimately, it doesn't have much impact on my work. I just keep exploring and finding new things to work on...hopefully. If the press likes it, fine. If they don't, that's fine too. I don't lose sleep over bad reviews (ironically, or strangely enough, I've only had one negative review so far and it wasn't bad - just off base - the critic didn't like it that the first Trio Putanesca CD didn't have any "barn burners" or "flag wavers" - as if that was what we were up to...). So maybe it's easier for me to shrug it off - I don't really take any of those "good" reviews seriously, Mostly because I don't think I deserve them. I think EBE does this sort of thing because they think they have to - (oh yeah, we forgot to acknowledge that little sub-genre of freaks over there off Broadway again)...not unlike the Academy Awards, only no red carpets, no fashion photographers, no television coverage, and oh yeah - no where near the economic status. And we have just as much "glamour" - Aurora could kick Scarlett Johansen's ass any day of the week on the red carpet, and guys like you and Jacob are better looking than Mark Ruffalo or Tom Cruise...if only we could get you guys in an Armani tuxedo...then the world would agree with me, I'm sure. ;) George: I'm not sure what reaction folks expect when they blow into the bell of their trumpet, but I'd say take a cue from Cage (see the YouTube clip referenced here last week) and expect laughter and derision, show grace and good humor in the face of it, and then kick ass in spite of it. PG: Excellent advice! George: And finally, concerning "Escape from 21Grand": an endless jam, with mostly dudes, and a couple of bottles of Two-Buck Chuck? Uh, I think I'm out of town that week... PG: Can't even begin to comment on that one...we're definitely on tour that week. From 21grand at 21grand.org Fri May 4 12:50:54 2007 From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 12:50:54 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of Message-ID: Dear Mr. Broderick & Mr. Cremaschi: re my analogy: >and we shouldn't criticize the president either, because he's the only one >we got, right? - It seemed to me that George's logic regarding why not to criticize the Express and the following lines about not writing righteous complaining emails was based on the fact that it is "all we got" ... basically the source of press coverage (i.e. power). To me, the argument read as "don't criticize those in power, because they have power over you and can use that power against you." GC: As far as "bowing down" to the East Bay Express goes, well I'm not advocating that. Obviously, it's a completely stupid, corporate rag. - wait, I'm confused ... you seemed to be advocating it, at least somewhat in that cautionary "don't complain" paragraph. GC: Still, after all these years, I can't help but notice the cycle of a) bitching about not getting any press and then b) picking it apart, line by line, when it actually happens. - after all these years, George, you don't realize that this is part and parcel of belonging to/participating in just about any underground scene, right up there with the authenticity/selling out debates? GC: expect laughter and derision, show grace and good humor in the face of it, and then kick ass in spite of it. - agreed - the "mainstream" (or whatever you want to term it) is going to respond w/condescencion and words like "weird" "wacky" and my all-time favorite "zany" - because it's beyond the scope of "normal." I've certainly stopped (or at least tried to lessen) getting bent out of shape about such things. Honestly, I'll take "weird and wacky" graciously ... far better than "so hip it sucks" (that was from 2001 and the now-defunct Urban View that focused on Alameda/Oakland/Berkeley). I still kinda want a "so hip it sucks" t-shirt ... probably in some hideous color or faux-metal font. GC: And finally, concerning "Escape from 21Grand": an endless jam, with mostly dudes, and a couple of bottles of Two-Buck Chuck? Uh, I think I'm out of town that week... - well 21 Grand stopped serving 2 buck chuck around 2004. hugs, sl From sopranino at sbcglobal.net Fri May 4 12:53:48 2007 From: sopranino at sbcglobal.net (Jon Raskin) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 12:53:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewMusic] best of Message-ID: <135892.68080.qm@web82409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> East Bay Express belongs to Village Voice Media that belongs to New Times Media which owns all the newspapers from Santa Cruz and the entire bay area except for the Chronicle which own by Hearst. Hearst, however is invested in New Times Media. They control the print media and decides what real news is by the fact that print media still employs the most full time journalists. Nice to get an article about the scene. I tried to find the article on the East Bay Express site but it didn't come up in a search. I guess I'll have to find the paper version. Here is the letter to the editor link http://www.eastbayexpress.com/feedback/?author_email=letters at eastbayexpress.com And here is a lists all the writers for the Express company. If we want attention they be the ones we want to write to or get to the shows. http://www.eastbayexpress.com/search/results.php?author=289974 (this gives a link to so you can see what columns they have written. Ahh for some time to attend to promotion/ education or maybe harrasment. (is the stress on the first syllable or the second?) Abele, Robert Arellano, Gustavo Arnold, Eric K. Birdsall, John Campbell, Blair de Rubio, Dave Gil De, Monya Downs, David Drostova, Lisa Drucker, Jesse Ducker, Jesse Foundas, Scott Gammon, Robert Gard, Lauren Green, Matthew Haddon, Cole Harper, Jordan Hoberman, J. Hodges, Gary Hurwitt, Sam Kaminsky, Jonathan Keast, Darren Kelp, Larry Keresman, Mark Lawson, Kristan Lee, Nathan MacLaren, Becca Mechanic, Michael Moayeri, Lily Nelson, Rob Nichol, Mark Pflaumer, Andrea Platoni, Kara poet, j. Prestianni, Sam Richard, Kathleen Richards, Kathleen Ridley, Jim Rufus, Anneli Sam Hurwitt, and Eliza Strickland, Lisa Drostova, Seltenrich, Nate Serinus, Jason Victor Simons, Eric Spicer, Jakki K. Swan, Rachel Taylor, Ella Thompson, Chris Thompson, Luke Y. Vance, Kelly Ward, Chris Wilonsky, Robert Zaleski, Annie ----- Original Message ---- From: George Cremaschi To: newmusic at music.mills.edu Sent: Friday, May 4, 2007 12:21:41 PM Subject: Re: [NewMusic] best of Mr Lindsay wrote: >Chill out George Okay. Sorry. Ms Lockhart wrote: >and we shouldn't criticize the president either, because he's the only one >we got, right? That is a lame and irrelevant analogy. Please try again. As far as "bowing down" to the East Bay Express goes, well I'm not advocating that. Obviously, it's a completely stupid, corporate rag. Still, after all these years, I can't help but notice the cycle of a) bitching about not getting any press and then b) picking it apart, line by line, when it actually happens. I'm not sure what reaction folks expect when they blow into the bell of their trumpet, but I'd say take a cue from Cage (see the YouTube clip referenced here last week) and expect laughter and derision, show grace and good humor in the face of it, and then kick ass in spite of it. And finally, concerning "Escape from 21Grand": an endless jam, with mostly dudes, and a couple of bottles of Two-Buck Chuck? Uh, I think I'm out of town that week... love, George _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the i? Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From elsuperfantastico at yahoo.com Fri May 4 13:30:43 2007 From: elsuperfantastico at yahoo.com (Chris Broderick) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 13:30:43 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <196668.59284.qm@web50304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> --- Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> wrote: > Dear Mr. Broderick & Mr. Cremaschi: > > re my analogy: > >and we shouldn't criticize the president either, > because he's the only one > >we got, right? > > - It seemed to me that George's logic regarding why > not to criticize the > Express and the following lines about not writing > righteous complaining > emails was based on the fact that it is "all we got" > ... basically the > source of press coverage (i.e. power). To me, the > argument read as "don't > criticize those in power, because they have power > over you and can use that > power against you." But that's probably true (well, not that it's all we got, but that obsessive moaning about it is not productive.) If members of this scene decided to send out a bunch of emails to the editor of the EB Express complaining "It's flautist, asshole!" or "nice use of triplets, moron," at some point we'd probably be less likely be featured in future issues. That may not be fair, but it shouldn't come as a shock. Still, that's not what George was talking about. He was talking about the obsessive monday morning quarterbacking that goes on within BA-NEWMUS, which is of course, hardly exclusive to this li'l clique. Nor is it a Bush-esque attempt to shut down debate (yeah, good luck with that in this forum). -Chris __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com From 21grand at 21grand.org Fri May 4 13:53:02 2007 From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 13:53:02 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of Message-ID: --- Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> wrote: > Dear Mr. Broderick & Mr. Cremaschi: > > re my analogy: > >and we shouldn't criticize the president either, > because he's the only one > >we got, right? > > - It seemed to me that George's logic regarding why > not to criticize the > Express and the following lines about not writing > righteous complaining > emails was based on the fact that it is "all we got" > ... basically the > source of press coverage (i.e. power). To me, the > argument read as "don't > criticize those in power, because they have power > over you and can use that > power against you." CB: But that's probably true (well, not that it's all we got, but that obsessive moaning about it is not productive.) - there are things that aren't productive that could be termed "psychologically necessary" ... hell, going back to George, and his interview in Noisy People, vis a vis the dishwasher and activism, (I'm not trying to put words in George's mouth here, this is what George's words got me thinking about), how "productive" is making experimental music or art, really? Honestly, to me, it doesn't matter ... I do it because it's psychologically necessary, otherwise it'd be me standing around staring at the metaphorical boulder that is life all too aware of the pointlessness of it. If members of this scene decided to send out a bunch of emails to the editor of the EB Express complaining "It's flautist, asshole!" or "nice use of triplets, moron," at some point we'd probably be less likely be featured in future issues. That may not be fair, but it shouldn't come as a shock. - I don't think it would make a difference. As I said earlier, the Express and New Times loves publishing complaining letters. It might have the opposite effect. Still, that's not what George was talking about. He was talking about the obsessive monday morning quarterbacking that goes on within BA-NEWMUS, - sandwiched in between "nice 'awards' from basically the only publication in town ... hopefully no one's sent a righteous e-mail to the anonymous author, or it'll be another five years until the next honorable mention." Sorry Chris, if I'm "misreading" by focusing on those lines, then you're misreading by ignoring them. which is of course, hardly exclusive to this li'l clique. Nor is it a Bush-esque attempt to shut down debate (yeah, good luck with that in this forum). - uh, no one was talking about Bush-esque attempts to shut down debate. I don't know where that's coming from, but maybe that bit of prose was merely inspired by my words, and you're not intending to ascribe that comparison to me. sl -Chris From sopranino at sbcglobal.net Fri May 4 15:53:32 2007 From: sopranino at sbcglobal.net (Jon Raskin) Date: Fri, 4 May 2007 15:53:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [NewMusic] best of Message-ID: <440494.67765.qm@web82410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I wonder what kind of response would happen if we sent some of the interesting articles and posts written by members of this list to the editor and journalist listed in my previous post. Might be a better response. I agree with sl that letters of complaint are "mothers milk" so to speak. There is a letter almost every week complaining about Aidin Vazini in the comical with the corresponding love letter. ----- Original Message ---- From: Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> To: Banewmus List Sent: Friday, May 4, 2007 1:53:02 PM Subject: [NewMusic] best of --- Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> wrote: > Dear Mr. Broderick & Mr. Cremaschi: > > re my analogy: > >and we shouldn't criticize the president either, > because he's the only one > >we got, right? > > - It seemed to me that George's logic regarding why > not to criticize the > Express and the following lines about not writing > righteous complaining > emails was based on the fact that it is "all we got" > ... basically the > source of press coverage (i.e. power). To me, the > argument read as "don't > criticize those in power, because they have power > over you and can use that > power against you." CB: But that's probably true (well, not that it's all we got, but that obsessive moaning about it is not productive.) - there are things that aren't productive that could be termed "psychologically necessary" ... hell, going back to George, and his interview in Noisy People, vis a vis the dishwasher and activism, (I'm not trying to put words in George's mouth here, this is what George's words got me thinking about), how "productive" is making experimental music or art, really? Honestly, to me, it doesn't matter ... I do it because it's psychologically necessary, otherwise it'd be me standing around staring at the metaphorical boulder that is life all too aware of the pointlessness of it. If members of this scene decided to send out a bunch of emails to the editor of the EB Express complaining "It's flautist, asshole!" or "nice use of triplets, moron," at some point we'd probably be less likely be featured in future issues. That may not be fair, but it shouldn't come as a shock. - I don't think it would make a difference. As I said earlier, the Express and New Times loves publishing complaining letters. It might have the opposite effect. Still, that's not what George was talking about. He was talking about the obsessive monday morning quarterbacking that goes on within BA-NEWMUS, - sandwiched in between "nice 'awards' from basically the only publication in town ... hopefully no one's sent a righteous e-mail to the anonymous author, or it'll be another five years until the next honorable mention." Sorry Chris, if I'm "misreading" by focusing on those lines, then you're misreading by ignoring them. which is of course, hardly exclusive to this li'l clique. Nor is it a Bush-esque attempt to shut down debate (yeah, good luck with that in this forum). - uh, no one was talking about Bush-esque attempts to shut down debate. I don't know where that's coming from, but maybe that bit of prose was merely inspired by my words, and you're not intending to ascribe that comparison to me. sl -Chris _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From gcremaschi at hotmail.com Fri May 4 20:08:23 2007 From: gcremaschi at hotmail.com (George Cremaschi) Date: Fri, 04 May 2007 20:08:23 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: <440494.67765.qm@web82410.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Well I'll admit that I wasn't clear enough. There are several points I was trying to make, and unfortunately they all got jumbled together. First of all, both articles were totally favorable, even celebratory. Even the weird line about Scott Looney's piano playing was meant to be a compliment, in a sort of iconoclastic way. Is it great writing? No. Is it 100% factually correct? No. Is it probably ripped off from 'Noisy People'? Yes. Is it the same sort of treatment everybody else - dancers, community activists, politicians, etc - gets in the Express? Yes. Why expect more? You won't get it, so it's a moot point. As the corporate reality of the Express has set in, the journalistic quality, particularly of it's arts writing, has plummeted. And as someone, I believe Mr Robair, noted recently when folks got uptight about the Tom Nunn article in the Chronicle, be happy if they spell your name right, and beyond that, well.... I used the words "hopefully, no one's sent a righteous e-mail to the anonymous author" carefully - meaning, by all means, go ahead and write to them, but make it everything you wish their writing was: witty, intelligent, knowledgeable, factual, even indignant. But not petulant and whiny. Does anyone remember the pseudonymous Wanda Tinasky? 'She' was a prolific letters-to-the-editor writer to the Anderson Valley Advertiser in the mid-80's, for a long time believed to be Thomas Pynchon, who was living up there (Mendocino County) at the time, writing 'Vineland'. Later, literary detective Don Foster decided it was someone else, and Pynchon denied it as well. In any event, the letters are wonderful - cranky, literate, and very very funny. Write letters like that, folks, and hopefully they *will* be published. But a silly letter is guaranteed to be published, since letters editors like nothing more than making critics look stupid... -George _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office Live! http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/mcrssaub0050001411mrt/direct/01/ From michaelz at zoka.com Sat May 5 09:21:08 2007 From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 09:21:08 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: <2eb068d40705040946j2ae07d5dm394774c7cc00a114@mail.gmail.com> References: <463AFB45.9040504@perkis.com> <2eb068d40705040946j2ae07d5dm394774c7cc00a114@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On 5/4/07, Polly Moller wrote: >On 5/4/07, George Cremaschi wrote: > >> By the way, 'flutist' is corrrect, at least in this country... >> 'flautist' is, according to my MacBook dictionary, >> "chiefly British". >> > >My business card says "flutist", and that's what I always introduce myself as. >I don't happen to own a flaut. ;) >James Galway summed up the way many players of the flute feel about >"flautist", saying, "I am a flute player, not a flautist. I don't >have a flaut, and I've never flauted." MZ --------------michaelz at zoka.com--- Michael Zelner ---Oakland CA USA------------------ From michaelz at zoka.com Sat May 5 09:27:06 2007 From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 09:27:06 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: <653299.33124.qm@web58011.mail.re3.yahoo.com> References: <653299.33124.qm@web58011.mail.re3.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 5/4/07, Jacob Lindsay wrote: > > > 'flautist' is, according to my MacBook dictionary, >> > "chiefly British". > >> i think that in order to be a flautist you have to > > earn over 100,000 a year or be a really affected twit >> of sorts. > >My mistake. Obviously I watched too much Monty Python >in my youth. > >-Jacob "Middle Class Twit of the Year" Lindsay --- >Alan: Now, how to play the flute. Well, you blow in one end and move >your fingers up and down the outside. >GC: Great Alan! Well, next week we'll be showing you how black and >white people can live together in peace and harmony and Alan will be >over in Moscow showing you how to reconcile the Russians and the >Chinese. Till then, cheerio! >Alan: Bye! >Jackie: Bye bye! >GC: Bye! MZ --------------michaelz at zoka.com--- Michael Zelner ---Oakland CA USA------------------ From michaelz at zoka.com Sat May 5 09:56:05 2007 From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 09:56:05 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: <135892.68080.qm@web82409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <135892.68080.qm@web82409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 5/4/07, Jon Raskin wrote: >Nice to get an article about the scene. I tried to find the article >on the East Bay Express site but it didn't come up in a search. I >guess I'll have to find the paper version. Damon posted the links in the post that started this thread on Thursday. Here they are again, along with the text of the "Best ofs" for those who prefer not to sully their fingers with East Bay Express ink: >Best Multidisciplinary Art Gallery: Broadest definition of taste >21 Grand >21 Grand Gallery/Performance Space [Map] >416 25th St. >Oakland, CA 94612 >510-444-7263 >http://21Grand.org > >Even in the ultracosmopolitan East Bay, it's difficult to find >venues that are willing to book the kind of wacky, >experimental-music shows that wouldn't go over in a place like the >Stork Club - shows in which you'd expect to see Tom Djll blowing >into the wrong end of a trumpet, Phillip Greenlief bobbling a >triplet figure over and over, or the Moe!kestra! reading from a >graphically notated score. It's even harder to find venues with a >desire to make such music accessible for all ages. Enter 21 Grand, a >beloved gallery and performance space that showcases some of the >best avant-garde poets, authors, playwrights, experimental >filmmakers, photographers, conceptual artists, and musicians from >local and national underground scenes. Neither self-consciously hip >nor beholden to any particular genre, 21 Grand founders Sarah >Lockhart and Darren Jenkins take risks on new projects and artists >who fall outside the bounds of convention. Many of the works they >feature are less about finding aesthetic bliss than deconstructing >the creative process. Chancy ventures, indeed, but Jenkins and >Lockhart have little left to fear. Since opening their original >space in 2000, they've already weathered two evictions. When they >say they're in it for the long haul, they really mean it. >Best Labor-of-Love Venue: A sonically adventurous financial sacrifice >1510 8th St., Oakland >1510 8th St., Oakland, CA >Run by local avant-garde pianist Scott Looney - whose improvisations >go so far off the beaten track that it's hard for others to play >with him - West Oakland's 1510 8th Street performance space has >featured everything from Ornette Coleman tributes to bizarre, >improvised quartet music. It's one of the few places to showcase >left-field "noise" heads like bassist Damon Smith or the members of >electronic band Vholtz, who enjoy stretching the boundaries between >punk rock and free jazz. International names like German flutist >Frank Gratkowski schedule dates here, even if they don't plan to gig >at Yoshi's. And its bimonthly "Free Jazz Fridays" series - launched >by Jazz House founder Rob Woodworth - features everything from the >hardcore, atonal sounds of Woman's Worth to blues by Howard Wiley >and D'Armous Boone. Though they come from different traditions, >these performers all share a voracious curiosity about music, and >generally seem more concerned with engaging the audience than >showing off their musical chops. Most shows cost only $5-$10 at the >door, all of which goes to the musicians. It's a shoestring >operation indeed, but one that will hopefully persist for years to >come. MZ --------------michaelz at zoka.com--- Michael Zelner ---Oakland CA USA------------------ From michaelz at zoka.com Sat May 5 10:00:59 2007 From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 10:00:59 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of Message-ID: And FWIW, here's the "Best of" that the Express gave to 21 Grand back in 2004: >Best Gallery Openings: Great performances at starving artist prices >21 Grand >449-B 23rd St., Oakland, 510-444-7263 >21Grand.org > >It's not evident from the building's hardscrabble exterior on a >gritty block of machine shops north of downtown Oakland, but in four >short years the art gallery and performance space known as 21 Grand >has become one of the main nerve centers of the new, bohemian city >-- the one that sprang up during the dot-com boom, when hipsters and >flipsters fled SF in droves. Sometimes it can be difficult to tell >exactly where the gallery shows leave off and the ancillary artiness >begins. You might stop by for, say, the reception for a painting and >sculpture show featuring four-foot-high abstract canvases and little >green army men, and end up staying for a performance piece, a little >hip-hop, or some ambient sound installations. Where else could an >exhibition of photographs from Serbia segue into a celebration of >the Paris Commune, with avant-garde music and anarchist speakers? >Musically, the gallery excels. Among April's many offerings was a >collaborative performance by ROVA Saxophone Quartet's Larry Ochs, >extraordinary percussionist William Winant, pianist and computer >electronics wonder Chris Brown, and trumpeter Natsuki Tamura; May >brings two days of the San Francisco Alternative Music Festival. 21 >Grand is basically a big, constantly changing gallery show, with new >surprises every month. And admission is often on a sliding scale, >with a high of $10. I have a feeling that this write-up did not hurt in bringing 21 Grand to more people's attention then. MZ --------------michaelz at zoka.com--- Michael Zelner ---Oakland CA USA------------------ From 21grand at 21grand.org Sat May 5 14:13:39 2007 From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand) Date: Sat, 05 May 2007 14:13:39 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of Message-ID: - Well, it did make a nice addition to our City of Oakland grant application the next year ... which was the first year they gave us money. Honestly, I do see it as some sort of accomplishment that we've gotten "best of" twice and still have never advertised in the Express. I think about the coverage vs. advertiser-status issue every time the Guardian plugs a touring act playing at a SF club that advertises and omits said act's 21 Grand gig. I'm not levying accusations here, though if Mr. Shiurba has inside info, I'd be interested in hearing it. sl >And FWIW, here's the "Best of" that the Express gave to 21 Grand back in 2004: >I have a feeling that this write-up did not hurt in bringing 21 Grand >to more people's attention then. >MZ From sopranino at sbcglobal.net Sat May 5 15:29:53 2007 From: sopranino at sbcglobal.net (Jon Raskin) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 15:29:53 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: <135892.68080.qm@web82409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <135892.68080.qm@web82409.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001c01c78f64$e7f170d0$6401a8c0@HP28718835617> I've decided to actually try sending these people source material, maybe some articles posted on bayimprovisers, some other ones I have that I think are good. Does anyone have any email address's for anyone listed below? -----Original Message----- From: newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu [mailto:newmusic-bounces at music.mills. edu] On Behalf Of Jon Raskin Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 12:54 PM To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group Subject: Re: [NewMusic] best of East Bay Express belongs to Village Voice Media that belongs to New Times Media which owns all the newspapers from Santa Cruz and the entire bay area except for the Chronicle which own by Hearst. Hearst, however is invested in New Times Media. They control the print media and decides what real news is by the fact that print media still employs the most full time journalists. Nice to get an article about the scene. I tried to find the article on the East Bay Express site but it didn't come up in a search. I guess I'll have to find the paper version. Here is the letter to the editor link http://www.eastbayexpress.com/feedback/?author_email=letters at eastbayexpress. com And here is a lists all the writers for the Express company. If we want attention they be the ones we want to write to or get to the shows. http://www.eastbayexpress.com/search/results.php?author=289974 (this gives a link to so you can see what columns they have written. Ahh for some time to attend to promotion/ education or maybe harrasment. (is the stress on the first syllable or the second?) Abele, Robert Arellano, Gustavo Arnold, Eric K. Birdsall, John Campbell, Blair de Rubio, Dave Gil De, Monya Downs, David Drostova, Lisa Drucker, Jesse Ducker, Jesse Foundas, Scott Gammon, Robert Gard, Lauren Green, Matthew Haddon, Cole Harper, Jordan Hoberman, J. Hodges, Gary Hurwitt, Sam Kaminsky, Jonathan Keast, Darren Kelp, Larry Keresman, Mark Lawson, Kristan Lee, Nathan MacLaren, Becca Mechanic, Michael Moayeri, Lily Nelson, Rob Nichol, Mark Pflaumer, Andrea Platoni, Kara poet, j. Prestianni, Sam johnnycritic at earthlink.net Richard, Kathleen Richards, Kathleen Ridley, Jim Rufus, Anneli Sam Hurwitt, and Eliza Strickland, Lisa Drostova, Seltenrich, Nate Serinus, Jason Victor Simons, Eric Spicer, Jakki K. Swan, Rachel Taylor, Ella Thompson, Chris Thompson, Luke Y. Vance, Kelly Ward, Chris Wilonsky, Robert Zaleski, Annie ----- Original Message ---- From: George Cremaschi To: newmusic at music.mills.edu Sent: Friday, May 4, 2007 12:21:41 PM Subject: Re: [NewMusic] best of Mr Lindsay wrote: >Chill out George Okay. Sorry. Ms Lockhart wrote: >and we shouldn't criticize the president either, because he's the only >one we got, right? That is a lame and irrelevant analogy. Please try again. As far as "bowing down" to the East Bay Express goes, well I'm not advocating that. Obviously, it's a completely stupid, corporate rag. Still, after all these years, I can't help but notice the cycle of a) bitching about not getting any press and then b) picking it apart, line by line, when it actually happens. I'm not sure what reaction folks expect when they blow into the bell of their trumpet, but I'd say take a cue from Cage (see the YouTube clip referenced here last week) and expect laughter and derision, show grace and good humor in the face of it, and then kick ass in spite of it. And finally, concerning "Escape from 21Grand": an endless jam, with mostly dudes, and a couple of bottles of Two-Buck Chuck? Uh, I think I'm out of town that week... love, George _________________________________________________________________ Download Messenger. Join the i? Initiative. Help make a difference today. http://im.live.com/messenger/im/home/?source=TAGHM_APR07 _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From pgsaxo at pacbell.net Sat May 5 15:46:25 2007 From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief) Date: Sat, 5 May 2007 15:46:25 -0700 Subject: [NewMusic] best of In-Reply-To: <001c01c78f64$e7f170d0$6401a8c0@HP28718835617> Message-ID: <000901c78f67$36f3f6b0$4001a8c0@PG> I have Kelly Vance... kelly.vance at eastbayexpress.com Sam Prestiani: johnnycritic at earthlink.net And Larry Kelp: Lkelp at aol.com I don't think John Birdsong writes for them anymore...didn't he move to Brooklyn? There's a lot of names on there I've never seen before. Best, PG Phillip Greenlief c/o Evander Music PO Box 22158 Oakland, CA 94623-9991 www.evandermusic.com -----Original Message----- From: newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu [mailto:newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu] On Behalf Of Jon Raskin Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2007 3:30 PM To: 'Bay Area New Music Discussion Group' Subject: Re: [NewMusic] best of I've decided to actually try sending these people source material, maybe some articles posted on bayimprovisers, some other ones I have that I think are good. Does anyone have any email address's for anyone listed below? -----Original Message----- From: newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu [mailto:newmusic-bounces at music.mills. edu] On Behalf Of Jon Raskin Sent: Friday, May 04, 2007 12:54 PM To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group Subject: Re: [NewMusic] best of East Bay Express belongs to Village Voice Media that belongs to New Times Media which owns all the newspapers from Santa Cruz and the entire bay area except for the Chronicle which own by Hearst. Hearst, however is invested in New Times Media. They control the print media and decides what real news is by the fact that print media still employs the most full time journalists. Nice to get an article about the scene. I tried to find the article on the East Bay Express site but it didn't come up in a search. I guess I'll have to find the paper version. Here is the letter to the editor link http://www.eastbayexpress.com/feedback/?author_email=letters at eastbayexpr ess. com And here is a lists all the writers for the Express company. If we want attention they be the ones we want to write to or get to the shows. http://www.eastbayexpress.com/search/results.php?author=289974 (this gives a link to so you can see what columns they have written. Ahh for some time to attend to promotion/ education or maybe harrasment. (is the stress on the first syllable or the second?) Abele, Robert Arellano, Gustavo Arnold, Eric K. Birdsall, John Campbell, Blair de Rubio, Dave Gil De, Monya Downs, David Drostova, Lisa Drucker, Jesse Ducker, Jesse Foundas, Scott Gammon, Robert Gard, Lauren Green, Matthew Haddon, Cole Harper, Jordan Hoberman, J. Hodges, Gary Hurwitt, Sam Kaminsky, Jonathan Keast, Darren Kelp, Larry Keresman, Mark Lawson, Kristan Lee, Nathan MacLaren, Becca Mechanic, Michael Moayeri, Lily Nelson, Rob Nichol, Mark Pflaumer, Andrea Platoni, Kara poet, j. Prestianni, Sam johnnycritic at earthlink.net Richard, Kathleen Richards, Kathleen Ridley, Jim Rufus, Anneli Sam Hurwitt, and Eliza Strickland, Lisa Drostova, Seltenrich, Nate Serinus, Jason Victor Simons, Eric Spicer, Jakki K. Swan, Rachel Taylor, Ella Thompson, Chris Thompson, Luke Y. Vance, Kelly Ward, Chris Wilonsky, Robert Zaleski, Annie ----- Original Message ---- From: George Cremaschi To: newmusic at music.mills.edu Sent: Friday, May 4, 2007 12:21:41 PM Subject: Re: [NewMusic] best of Mr Lindsay wrote: >Chill out George Okay. Sorry. Ms Lockhart wrote: >and we shouldn't criticize the president either, because he's the only >one we got, right? That is a lame and irrelevant analogy. Please try again. As far as "bowing down" to the East Bay Express goes, well I'm not advocating that. Obviously, it's a completely stupid, corporate rag. Still, after all these years, I can't help but notice the cycle of a) bitching about not getting any press and then b) picking it apart, line by line, when it actually happens. I'm not sure what reaction folks expect when they blow into the bell of their trumpet, but I'd say take a cue