[NewMusic] W.A. Mathieu

[Jon Raskin]

I really meant form though as opposed to aesthetic.  There is a place where there is form in improvisation and the games are at that line area which is formed by the boundries of the individual interaction.
Free Jazz, Free improvisation was move away from an over used form but rules have evolved and the language has mutated.
 
Jon Raskin



----- Original Message ----
From: Matthew Goodheart <matthew at matthewgoodheart.com>
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2007 10:42:38 AM
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] W.A. Mathieu

I've heard the recording several times, and I'd agree with you,  
although I'd use the term "aesthetic" rather than form; the aesthetic  
intent follows Mathieu's change since the early 70's, which seems to  
focus on a certain "spirituality" which might be perceived as "new  
age," though certainly far more sophisticated and technically complex  
than what one would normally associate with that term. Knowing what  
little I do about the aesthetics of folks on this list, I think that  
Game/No Game would not be greeted well, but that Ghost Opera could be  
of interest in some quarters. Also, GO involves a greater number of  
people, so it's interesting to hear how the games play out in that  
more complex scenario.

mg

On Nov 1, 2007, at 9:19 AM, Jon Raskin wrote:

> I listened to some of the duet with George and W.A. at the site and  
> they are using the language games to create the music.  The  
> vocabulary is much more consonant and "safe" and the connecton  
> between the jazz form and free form having similiar "problems".  
> The form doesn't mean that the music is vital or interesting by  
> itself.
>
> Jon Raskin
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Matthew Goodheart <matthew at matthewgoodheart.com>
> To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
> Sent: Thursday, November 1, 2007 9:05:25 AM
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] W.A. Mathieu
>
> On Nov 1, 2007, at 7:53 AM, Jon Raskin wrote:
>
>> I didn't dig deep enough into this site and I used to have this LP
>> before it was liberated one day.
>
> Yeah, the original LP was cool (mine got "liberated" too). It was
> funded by someone, maybe even Thomas Buckner? So they didn't charge
> for it, they just gave it out. It even had something that said to
> pass the album on to someone else, so "Let's keep music free."  This
> new CD has some things on it the LP didn't have, though. Of course,
> the CD ain't free. . . times have changed.
>
> mg
>
>> It was a nexus point to be sure for improvisation with many
>> threads. One that hasn't been acknowledge that much was is that
>> Charles Moffett and family with Butch Morris, Glenn Spearman and
>> David Murray.    There wasn't lot of cross connection going on but
>> Butch Morris used to come to early improv workshops at the Blue
>> Dolphin on 17th street circa 1974
>>
>> Jon Raskin
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Matthew Goodheart <matthew at matthewgoodheart.com>
>> To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 9:35:45 PM
>> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] W.A. Mathieu
>>
>> A more historic recording, with similar but more fleshed out liner
>> notes is the Ghost Opera Company:
>>
>> http://cdbaby.com/cd/wamathieu9
>>
>> It's a really interesting recording, more in tune with some of the
>> things that are happening on this scene than Game/No Game. It's
>> really amazing to think that SF Conservatory had improvisation as a
>> required course in 1970. . . Also interesting to listen to the "free
>> improv" of that time, and hear what has changed and what hasn't: the
>> Ghost Opera stuff is gestural and pitch based, so interest in timbre
>> is not that apparent. But the gestural stuff is actually pretty
>> similar to a lot of things I've heard recently. I think it's an
>> important, though not so well known,  piece of Bay Area history, and
>> Mathieu's methods for getting musicians to interact is highly
>> developed and valuable.
>>
>> mg
>>
>>
>> On Oct 31, 2007, at 5:55 PM, Jon Raskin wrote:
>>
>>> Some interesting history and thoughts from the liner notes of a duo
>>> record
>>> of W.A. Mathier and George Marsh.
>>>
>>> http://cdbaby.com/cd/wamathieu7
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