[NewMusic] Climate Music Box 11/20

[Damon Smith]

Sorry, that got a little jumbled, still you you should be able to get  
the idea!

On Nov 23, 2007, at 10:22 PM, Damon Smith wrote:

> Nice Ideas, but I just can't get behind giving the space a guaranty
> AND a split. Renting a venue is a better deal.
> I appreciate Zac's effort, but I don't think it is something we need
> to do at this point and maintain some dignity.  We get so used to not
> making artistic demands it can move into degrading ourselves if we
> are not careful.
> It would be another story if we were hurting for a venue.
>
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> On Nov 23, 2007, at 9:57 PM, Phillip Greenlief wrote:
>
>> Zac, et al.,
>>
>>   Thanks for clarifying the policy at Climate and your position
>> there. Like you, I love music and want to present it any way I can.
>> I also want to play as much as I can (within reason and good taste
>> - the aforementioned past comments on mixing it up with different
>> groups and composition and improvisation and, and, and...). I
>> appreciate all the opportunities that are offered by various people
>> in the community who take on the extremely difficult job of
>> presenting live music that lives outside the realm of
>> entertainment. It's a jungle out there. Not to wax nostalgic (which
>> I am often guilty of), it was a lot easier back in the day when
>> small places like coffeeshops and cafes didn't have to have cabaret
>> licenses. But alas, as usual, I digress...
>>
>>   Climate is in a good location and if we could do the work of
>> approaching this venue (as I would hope we would approach any
>> performance situation) with a mind that we really have to try to
>> get people to come to the shows there. Make posters, send emails,
>> send press releases, tell your friends (phone calls are so much
>> nicer than emails, if you have the time), and in short, do the work
>> of promoting your music if you're going to play there (or anywhere!).
>>
>>   Lots of possibilities exist in the community for live radio
>> support. I also suggest whenever possible that we talk up Climate
>> shows on the air (in interviews, live shows, etc.). I'm not making
>> an exception here, again, promote any show you have as best you
>> can, but if you have a show coming up at Climate, try to get some
>> air time to chat it up and let the folks out there know about it.
>> Use it as a pitch to any radio contacts you have regarding why they
>> should give you a slot.
>>
>>   If the shows are well attended, the money problem goes away (to
>> some small extent). Climate needs to stay open as any other space
>> does, I would hope that if we can make a go of it there, they would
>> step in as Matt D and Rent have done at LSG and Sarah and Darren
>> have done at 21G (and countless others) and do some fundraising for
>> the series in their non-profit fundraising efforts. I imagine Zac
>> has thought of this, if not proposed it to the adminstration already.
>>
>>   Finally, I'm reminded what a tenuous foothold any of our
>> community spaces have, having seen so many go by the wayside over
>> the years. We need to put effort into the spaces that give us space
>> to hang our hats, not approach them with cynism and contempt,
>>
>>   As always, I wish us all luck...it may be the only thing in the
>> end that actually works.
>>   PG
>>
>>
>>
>> Zac Jaffee <zjaffee at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>   Hi all,
>>
>> First off, thanks so much David and Phillip for your
>> support and kind words. And thanks to Duo B and Schott
>> and Hanes who did play some incredible music on
>> Tuesday.
>>
>> I very much appreciate the talk about the door split
>> on this list, as the discussions you are having here
>> are similar to the discussions I had with the space
>> when starting the series. I had looked into most of
>> the new music spaces mentioned on the list regarding
>> their splits and related all info to my higher ups.
>>
>> To clarify, the pay is 60% of the door going to the
>> artists with the Climate getting a $100 guarantee. So,
>> yes, that means that Climate takes the first $100, and
>> if there is less than that the artists don't get
>> anything (but don't have to pay anything either).
>> Personally, I'm not down with this, but it was this or
>> not having a series.
>>
>> I also make sure that there is a donation bucket for
>> the artists, and make announcements asking the
>> audience to contribute.
>>
>> My role in the whole thing is totally voluntary. I get
>> 0% of the door and no money from the Climate. I am a
>> lover of music and was asked by the Climate if I
>> wanted to curate a series. Again, although I do not
>> agree with the Climate’s door split, I am committed to
>> promoting and providing an additional venue for
>> experimental music.
>>
>> I appreciate all the brilliant minds on this list and
>> your well put postings. I hope I addressed some of
>> what I read in the many postings of my 11/21 daily
>> digest.
>>
>> Best,
>> Zac Jaffee
>>
>>
>>
>>
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