From bradysharp at gmail.com  Tue Apr  1 15:10:05 2008
From: bradysharp at gmail.com (Brady Sharp)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 17:10:05 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] EMO-ers beware!
Message-ID: <a7177e350804011510j1792b2y1fc7b235e719bafc@mail.gmail.com>

Not exactly newmusic-related, but I was struck by the headline:

Mobs in Mexico Attack Fans of Emo Music
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89265941&ft=1&f=1001

Something like 800 people mobbed a handful of people sitting in a
square in a town north of Mexico City, at the behest of a local DJ.

Authorities are arranging a sit-down between fans of Emo music and
fans of other music...

It's both scary and absurd to read about at the same time.  Instead of
Mods vs. Rockers, it's Emo vs. Metalheads, yet the Emo-ers don't seem
to have a chance!  This is an NPR report as well, which makes it all
the more absurd!

Enjoy... or not!

Brady

From praemedia at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  1 15:23:53 2008
From: praemedia at yahoo.com (Praemedia)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:23:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] EMO-ers beware!
In-Reply-To: <a7177e350804011510j1792b2y1fc7b235e719bafc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41210.6825.qm@web51605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Been happening all over Mexico for a few weeks now.
Has even spread to several other South American
countries. The 800 mob was just the biggest single
event. It has been happening daily for a while now.
Haven't been able to keep my eyes of it. President of
Mexico has even gotten involved and several other
heads of state have also made comments about it. Train
wreck of mob mentality. lovely world we live in.

lance

--- Brady Sharp <bradysharp at gmail.com> wrote:

> Not exactly newmusic-related, but I was struck by
> the headline:
> 
> Mobs in Mexico Attack Fans of Emo Music
>
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89265941&ft=1&f=1001
> 
> Something like 800 people mobbed a handful of people
> sitting in a
> square in a town north of Mexico City, at the behest
> of a local DJ.



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From bradysharp at gmail.com  Tue Apr  1 18:05:42 2008
From: bradysharp at gmail.com (Brady Sharp)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 20:05:42 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] EMO-ers beware!
In-Reply-To: <41210.6825.qm@web51605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <a7177e350804011510j1792b2y1fc7b235e719bafc@mail.gmail.com>
	<41210.6825.qm@web51605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <a7177e350804011805v32c3d901m426ce20b79c088a@mail.gmail.com>

It's incredible!  Most mob mentality happens around gender, skin
color, ethnicity, sexual preference, or where income and livelihood is
involved (unions vs. scabs, etc).

These folks like Emo music and they dress a little more strangely than
the norm, but probably not as strange as some of the punks and
metalheads that are opposing them.  From the article description, I
guess it's a class thing, like the typical EMOer is upper-class, goes
to private schools, etc. are unaware of the hardships that the
metalheads face (that last clause is absurd in itself!), and are what
they would call "sissies"...

... it sounds like a result of the latino machismo that you hear about
down there, even though I'm just about as comfortable mentioning
"Latino Machismo" as I am "backwards Southerner", "Stupid Redneck", or
any other sweeping generality.

Maybe it'll grow into a huge movement encompassing many genres of
music.  I could see a protest movement building up from oppression and
people claiming they are "born Emo-ers!".  Maybe we should ban
together.  If you played typical newmusic next to Emo, Metal, or
anything else and asked society as a whole to actively regard them and
rank them, I'm sure we'd probably be at the bottom of the totem pole
and one of the first ones to be repressed.  Right now it just means
getting smaller gigs and less money, but maybe it'll mean getting your
ass kicked in the future!

I mean, Ornette got beat up for his music, but he was CREATING the
music.  Soon, mere FANS of the likes of Ornette might feel the same
wrath!

Again, it's scary and absurd all at once!

Brady


On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Praemedia <praemedia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Been happening all over Mexico for a few weeks now.
>  Has even spread to several other South American
>  countries. The 800 mob was just the biggest single
>  event. It has been happening daily for a while now.
>  Haven't been able to keep my eyes of it. President of
>  Mexico has even gotten involved and several other
>  heads of state have also made comments about it. Train
>  wreck of mob mentality. lovely world we live in.
>
>  lance
>
>
>
>  --- Brady Sharp <bradysharp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  > Not exactly newmusic-related, but I was struck by
>  > the headline:
>  >
>  > Mobs in Mexico Attack Fans of Emo Music
>  >
>  http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89265941&ft=1&f=1001
>  >
>  > Something like 800 people mobbed a handful of people
>  > sitting in a
>  > square in a town north of Mexico City, at the behest
>  > of a local DJ.
>
>
>
>
>       ____________________________________________________________________________________
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From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Tue Apr  1 18:25:54 2008
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:25:54 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] EMO-ers beware!
In-Reply-To: <a7177e350804011805v32c3d901m426ce20b79c088a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a7177e350804011510j1792b2y1fc7b235e719bafc@mail.gmail.com>
	<41210.6825.qm@web51605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
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I wasn't aware that emo kids dressed up a certain way. My 10 years ago
lenses are a little foggy.

I think it should perfectly appropriate to make fun of adults who follow a
dress code defined by the music they listen to. This applies equally to
bedheadded hipsters, goths, ravers, tiny-legged rap fans, leather
pants-wearing rockers, cowboys who don't herd cows, non-jamaican dreadlocks,
etc. With teens it's one thing, a part of their development of
self-awareness. But adults should have some sense of who they are as
individuals by now, right?

But getting upset about it makes one just as ludicrous, I think.


On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Brady Sharp <bradysharp at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's incredible!  Most mob mentality happens around gender, skin
> color, ethnicity, sexual preference, or where income and livelihood is
> involved (unions vs. scabs, etc).
>
> These folks like Emo music and they dress a little more strangely than
> the norm, but probably not as strange as some of the punks and
> metalheads that are opposing them.  From the article description, I
> guess it's a class thing, like the typical EMOer is upper-class, goes
> to private schools, etc. are unaware of the hardships that the
> metalheads face (that last clause is absurd in itself!), and are what
> they would call "sissies"...
>
> ... it sounds like a result of the latino machismo that you hear about
> down there, even though I'm just about as comfortable mentioning
> "Latino Machismo" as I am "backwards Southerner", "Stupid Redneck", or
> any other sweeping generality.
>
> Maybe it'll grow into a huge movement encompassing many genres of
> music.  I could see a protest movement building up from oppression and
> people claiming they are "born Emo-ers!".  Maybe we should ban
> together.  If you played typical newmusic next to Emo, Metal, or
> anything else and asked society as a whole to actively regard them and
> rank them, I'm sure we'd probably be at the bottom of the totem pole
> and one of the first ones to be repressed.  Right now it just means
> getting smaller gigs and less money, but maybe it'll mean getting your
> ass kicked in the future!
>
> I mean, Ornette got beat up for his music, but he was CREATING the
> music.  Soon, mere FANS of the likes of Ornette might feel the same
> wrath!
>
> Again, it's scary and absurd all at once!
>
> Brady
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Praemedia <praemedia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Been happening all over Mexico for a few weeks now.
> >  Has even spread to several other South American
> >  countries. The 800 mob was just the biggest single
> >  event. It has been happening daily for a while now.
> >  Haven't been able to keep my eyes of it. President of
> >  Mexico has even gotten involved and several other
> >  heads of state have also made comments about it. Train
> >  wreck of mob mentality. lovely world we live in.
> >
> >  lance
> >
> >
> >
> >  --- Brady Sharp <bradysharp at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  > Not exactly newmusic-related, but I was struck by
> >  > the headline:
> >  >
> >  > Mobs in Mexico Attack Fans of Emo Music
> >  >
> >
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89265941&ft=1&f=1001
> >  >
> >  > Something like 800 people mobbed a handful of people
> >  > sitting in a
> >  > square in a town north of Mexico City, at the behest
> >  > of a local DJ.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From letucepry at yahoo.com  Tue Apr  1 21:55:00 2008
From: letucepry at yahoo.com (Ron Lettuce)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:55:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] EMO-ers beware!
Message-ID: <223252.70201.qm@web50308.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Matt,

The "EMO" tag is one that has been used repeatedly until it was defined, almost like "Heavy Metal", and "Industrial". Two years ago, it was applied to bands like Coheed and Cambria, Ten years ago, it just meant mopey and sentimental and was applied to bands that sounded like Weezer...(and originally applied to bands like Fugazi twenty years ago...lol try to make some sense out of that...), and the music had NOTHING to do with what is now considered EMO.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emo 

What ~usually~ gets applied to the emo fashion badge are the Little Nicky haircut

http://www.littlenicky.com/standard/images/desktop/desktop_b_640_480.jpg

combined with super tight low hip hugger girl jeans, skate shoes (vans/converse), rock t-shirt (especially if it tows the line between the sexes)...
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/blogs/vox/media/emo.jpg (sorry, just ran across it while checking my facts...)

Your 10 years ago vision is probably not too bad, I don't think there was a seriously defined fashion trend then...But incidentially not all that different from some fashion trends back then...

Also, that reminds me, this isn't the first time this sort of thing was proposed...(originally 06/06/06...perhaps earlier...)
http://gothacked.org/rmbblog/wp-content/emo.jpg
Perhaps the answer for why it's occurring in mexico now...can be found in here...
http://www.gorbatyuk.com/img/aztec_calendar.gif
But I can't read it...
Oh, SHIT does that mean that the end of the world isn't in 2012, but rather 2010?...

lettuce

----- Original Message ----
From: Matt Davignon <mattdavignon at gmail.com>
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, April 1, 2008 6:25:54 PM
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] EMO-ers beware!

I wasn't aware that emo kids dressed up a certain way. My 10 years ago
lenses are a little foggy.

I think it should perfectly appropriate to make fun of adults who follow a
dress code defined by the music they listen to. This applies equally to
bedheadded hipsters, goths, ravers, tiny-legged rap fans, leather
pants-wearing rockers, cowboys who don't herd cows, non-jamaican dreadlocks,
etc. With teens it's one thing, a part of their development of
self-awareness. But adults should have some sense of who they are as
individuals by now, right?

But getting upset about it makes one just as ludicrous, I think.


On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Brady Sharp <bradysharp at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's incredible!  Most mob mentality happens around gender, skin
> color, ethnicity, sexual preference, or where income and livelihood is
> involved (unions vs. scabs, etc).
>
> These folks like Emo music and they dress a little more strangely than
> the norm, but probably not as strange as some of the punks and
> metalheads that are opposing them.  From the article description, I
> guess it's a class thing, like the typical EMOer is upper-class, goes
> to private schools, etc. are unaware of the hardships that the
> metalheads face (that last clause is absurd in itself!), and are what
> they would call "sissies"...
>
> ... it sounds like a result of the latino machismo that you hear about
> down there, even though I'm just about as comfortable mentioning
> "Latino Machismo" as I am "backwards Southerner", "Stupid Redneck", or
> any other sweeping generality.
>
> Maybe it'll grow into a huge movement encompassing many genres of
> music.  I could see a protest movement building up from oppression and
> people claiming they are "born Emo-ers!".  Maybe we should ban
> together.  If you played typical newmusic next to Emo, Metal, or
> anything else and asked society as a whole to actively regard them and
> rank them, I'm sure we'd probably be at the bottom of the totem pole
> and one of the first ones to be repressed.  Right now it just means
> getting smaller gigs and less money, but maybe it'll mean getting your
> ass kicked in the future!
>
> I mean, Ornette got beat up for his music, but he was CREATING the
> music.  Soon, mere FANS of the likes of Ornette might feel the same
> wrath!
>
> Again, it's scary and absurd all at once!
>
> Brady
>
>
> On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 5:23 PM, Praemedia <praemedia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Been happening all over Mexico for a few weeks now.
> >  Has even spread to several other South American
> >  countries. The 800 mob was just the biggest single
> >  event. It has been happening daily for a while now.
> >  Haven't been able to keep my eyes of it. President of
> >  Mexico has even gotten involved and several other
> >  heads of state have also made comments about it. Train
> >  wreck of mob mentality. lovely world we live in.
> >
> >  lance
> >
> >
> >
> >  --- Brady Sharp <bradysharp at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >  > Not exactly newmusic-related, but I was struck by
> >  > the headline:
> >  >
> >  > Mobs in Mexico Attack Fans of Emo Music
> >  >
> >
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89265941&ft=1&f=1001
> >  >
> >  > Something like 800 people mobbed a handful of people
> >  > sitting in a
> >  > square in a town north of Mexico City, at the behest
> >  > of a local DJ.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ____________________________________________________________________________________
> >  You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of
> Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.
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> >
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From michaelz at zoka.com  Wed Apr  2 12:15:00 2008
From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 12:15:00 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] World's tiniest clarinet solo
Message-ID: <p06240807c4197e46110f@[192.168.0.2]>

>Researchers Compress Music Files 1000 Times Smaller Than MP3s
>
>Scientists with the University of Rochester demonstrated their 
>methods by encoding a 20-second clarinet solo in less than a single 
>kilobyte.
>
>By Thomas Claburn
>InformationWeek
>April 1, 2008 06:20 PM
>
>University of Rochester researchers on Tuesday said they have come 
>up with a way to reproduce music into a computer file that's 1,000 
>times smaller than a comparable high-quality MP3 file.
>
>The researchers demonstrated their methods by encoding a 20-second 
>clarinet solo in less than a single kilobyte.
>
>The technique involved isn't an audio recording technology; rather, 
>it re-creates the clarinet solo in the same way that a player piano 
>re-creates a piano piece from a roll of punched paper. But in 
>addition to re-creating the notes, it also re-creates the way in 
>which the player played the notes.
>
>Mark Bocko, professor of electrical and computer engineering and 
>co-creator of the technology, suggests that perhaps the future of 
>music performance lies in reproducing performers rather than 
>recording them.
>
>Bocko and doctoral students Xiaoxiao Dong and Mark Sterling 
>programmed a computer to model clarinet fingering, breath pressure, 
>and lip pressure and to use that information to affect the sound 
>described by their model of a virtual clarinet. Postdoctoral 
>researcher Gordana Velikic and Dave Headlam, a professor of music 
>theory at the University of Rochester, also contributed to the 
>research.
>
>By using its programmed knowledge of clarinets and clarinet players, 
>Bocko's approach avoids having to sample music thousands of times a 
>second, which generates a lot of data and makes music files large.
>
>Bocko expects that his team's work will lead to more expressive 
>electronic and computer-generated music. He also anticipates that 
>the technology could be extended to generate vocals and voices more 
>naturally.
>
>The technique isn't perfect yet, but Bocko expects his music 
>synthesis algorithms will become more accurate.


<http://www.informationweek.com/news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=207001130>

From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Wed Apr  2 16:58:55 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 18:58:55 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] Neu!/Kraftwerk Drummer Klaus Dinger, R.I.P.
Message-ID: <C4196BCF.11CE4%Gino.Robair@penton.com>

An interesting drummer, especially back in the day....
http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/page/news/49691-neukraftwerk-drummer-klaus-din
ger-rip


From analog_life at hotmail.com  Thu Apr  3 09:43:27 2008
From: analog_life at hotmail.com (stephen r.)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 09:43:27 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] EMO-ers beware!
In-Reply-To: <41210.6825.qm@web51605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <a7177e350804011510j1792b2y1fc7b235e719bafc@mail.gmail.com>
	<41210.6825.qm@web51605.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BAY105-W151D2C32C6312F272B12409CF70@phx.gbl>


That's crazy. No more eyeliner when I hang out at the malls in Mexico City....

I'm going Faux Hipster Urban.... I listen to B-more club music now.

-- 
Stephen R. :: Pixel Pusher / Sound Wrangler
---------------------------------------------------------------
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http://www.myspace.com/zygote
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> Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 15:23:53 -0700
> From: praemedia at yahoo.com
> To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] EMO-ers beware!
> 
> Been happening all over Mexico for a few weeks now.
> Has even spread to several other South American
> countries. The 800 mob was just the biggest single
> event. It has been happening daily for a while now.
> Haven't been able to keep my eyes of it. President of
> Mexico has even gotten involved and several other
> heads of state have also made comments about it. Train
> wreck of mob mentality. lovely world we live in.
> 
> lance
> 
> --- Brady Sharp <bradysharp at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Not exactly newmusic-related, but I was struck by
> > the headline:
> > 
> > Mobs in Mexico Attack Fans of Emo Music
> >
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=89265941&ft=1&f=1001
> > 
> > Something like 800 people mobbed a handful of people
> > sitting in a
> > square in a town north of Mexico City, at the behest
> > of a local DJ.
> 
> 
> 
>       ____________________________________________________________________________________
> You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost.  
> http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com
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From michaelz at zoka.com  Thu Apr  3 09:51:43 2008
From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 09:51:43 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Visa help for foreign musicians touring the US
Message-ID: <p06240808c41abb024c5b@[192.168.0.2]>

>NY Times
>
>New Bill May Speed U.S. Visas for Artists
>
>By FELICIA R. LEE
>Published: April 3, 2008
>
>When it comes to artists trying to obtain visas, notorious 
>performers like Amy Winehouse usually get the headlines. That 
>British soul singer's application to come to the United States for 
>the Grammy Awards in February was initially denied, with speculation 
>that the refusal was because of her alleged use of illegal drugs.
>
>But as the House of Representatives voted this week to speed up the 
>visa approval process for some foreign artists and entertainers, the 
>heads of arts organization said attention was finally being paid to 
>the real problem: the time, money and complexity involved in getting 
>visas for lower-profile artists, including dancers, singers, 
>musicians and actors.
>
>"It has become a huge burden," said Nigel Redden, director of the 
>Lincoln Center Festival, the renowned arts showcase that this summer 
>will bring together 57 performances and events from nine countries.
>
>"We hire someone in January whose only job is to do visas," he said. 
>Once, when the festival sought to bring in a cast of Chinese 
>acrobats and soloists, a "visa wrangler" in China asked for $75,000 
>to smooth the way for the group to travel to the embassy and get the 
>necessary papers in order.
>
>"We're turning the United States into fortress America," Mr. Redden 
>said. "It turns everyone into an enemy. It loses us friends around 
>the world and respect around the world."
>
>Now, those seeking entry must run a bureaucratic gantlet that can 
>include having to establish their artistic credentials, hire a 
>lawyer, pay visa fees and visit a United States embassy or consulate.
>
>All of that requires money and time, said Jonathan Ginsburg, an 
>immigration lawyer in Fairfax, Va., with the firm of Fettmann, 
>Tolchin & Majors. An entertainer from London who has an arrest 
>record, for example, would need a report from Scotland Yard, which 
>can cause more delays.
>
>Once the application is made, the Homeland Security Department is 
>supposed to act within two weeks, but recently it almost never has; 
>in the worst cases, getting an answer takes as long as six months, 
>arts organizations said. So-called premium processing is available 
>to expedite an application, at a cost of $1,000 for each petitioner.
>
>The House bill, approved on Tuesday, extends the processing time to 
>30 days from two weeks. If the deadline is not met, the department 
>is required to provide free expedited processing. The bill, which 
>applies only to visa applications made by nonprofit arts groups, 
>still needs the Senate's approval.
>
>Heather Noonan, the vice president for advocacy for the League of 
>American Orchestras, called the bill an important step.
>
>"We're very pleased to see Congress support opportunities for 
>international cultural exchange this way and particularly happy to 
>see such broad bipartisan support for the measure," Ms. Noonan said.
>
>Sandra Gibson, the president and chief executive of the Association 
>of Performing Arts Presenters, said: "We've been watching this issue 
>for 10 years. The premium-processing fee meant the nonprofit 
>community would not be served."
>
>A task force on visas was formed in 2001, she said, when premium 
>processing began. But the Sept. 11 attacks slowed everything down. 
>"There were delays in interviews, inability to get interviews," Ms. 
>Gibson said. On applications, problems like inverted birth dates and 
>misspelled last names made problems snowball. Around the world, the 
>embassies and consulates that were part of the process were staffed 
>at different levels. "In China and India it can take 100 days to get 
>an interview," she said.
>
>With the value of the dollar waning, more and more artists have 
>decided to stay home, Ms. Gibson said, echoing other officials. And 
>fewer of the presenters, she said, are willing to go through the 
>contortions of bringing in foreign artists.
>
>Cyril M. Ferenchak, a spokesman for the Bureau of Consular Affairs 
>at the State Department, said in an e-mail message that the 
>government had worked hard to make the visa application easier and 
>more efficient.
>
>"Over 570 new consular positions have been created to handle a 
>growing visa demand and the added security measure in our visa 
>adjudication process," Mr. Ferenchak wrote, adding that embassy Web 
>sites provide information on things like required documents to 
>demystify the visa process.
>
>Matthew Covey, executive director of Tamizdat, a nonprofit group 
>that helps artists get visas, said the House bill was a step in the 
>right direction. Emerging artists without much money or the 
>organizational skills to get together a visa application are the 
>ones especially hurt by the visa labyrinth.
>
>"An awful lot of musicians don't make a lot of money," he said. 
>"They are looking to break even, to promote their work. Most 
>musicians need to expedite their visas because many clubs book six 
>to eight weeks in advance."
>
>And American audiences may never know what they are missing.


<http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/03/arts/03visa.html>

From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Thu Apr  3 17:53:46 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2008 19:53:46 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] Another way to play the drums
Message-ID: <C41ACA2A.11DB5%Gino.Robair@penton.com>

For those of us who used motorized implements on drums and own an iPod,
something new:

(put http:// in front of this address) threegirlsmedia.com/clients.php?id=68

Disclaimer: the site includes "adult content" so be careful where you view
it. No explicit photos, but the description is sexualized.... But that's not
why I want one of these. Really...it's for the drums!


From gcremaschi at hotmail.com  Fri Apr  4 10:27:32 2008
From: gcremaschi at hotmail.com (George Cremaschi)
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 10:27:32 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] EMO-ers beware!
In-Reply-To: <223252.70201.qm@web50308.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <223252.70201.qm@web50308.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W45FC4002DF0DA15EAF13F8C1F60@phx.gbl>



>and bands like Fugazi twenty years ago.

"Emocore" originally applied to Dischord bands from DC like
Rites of Spring and Beefeater - the far more popular Fugazi 
came slightly later. The term was first used derisively by
skinheads and was never much accepted or liked by the
supposed "emo" bands...

-George
_________________________________________________________________
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From bradysharp at gmail.com  Mon Apr  7 10:35:42 2008
From: bradysharp at gmail.com (Brady Sharp)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 12:35:42 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] Microsoft Labs Auto Accompaniment generator.
Message-ID: <a7177e350804071035n38a4e596uf495b46d16c78b13@mail.gmail.com>

The end is near!  Feed in a vocal line to a tempo, and it'll spit out
an arrangement for you.

http://research.microsoft.com/~dan/mysong/

There are "Happy Factor", "Jazz Factor", and other sliders to help you
do your arranging.  The video on the page is pretty funny!  I wonder
what it does with multiphonic input sources?  It might be kinda fun to
feed it back into itself to see what it comes up with.

Enjoy,

Brady

From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Mon Apr  7 13:09:17 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 15:09:17 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] Microsoft Labs Auto Accompaniment generator.
Message-ID: <C41FCD7D.11F6E%Gino.Robair@penton.com>

Wait a minute: Happy Factor is one of my band names!
Get my attorney on the line, Brady....
*****

The end is near!  Feed in a vocal line to a tempo, and it'll spit out
an arrangement for you.

http://research.microsoft.com/~dan/mysong/

There are "Happy Factor", "Jazz Factor", and other sliders to help you
do your arranging.  The video on the page is pretty funny!  I wonder
what it does with multiphonic input sources?  It might be kinda fun to
feed it back into itself to see what it comes up with.

Enjoy,

Brady


From mhenry at crypticstudios.com  Mon Apr  7 21:40:34 2008
From: mhenry at crypticstudios.com (Michael Henry)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 21:40:34 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Microsoft Labs Auto Accompaniment generator.
Message-ID: <C73CE12E0E2E6D4AA8C97475050023A608C8CC4910@proserpine.paragon.crypticstudios.com>


That reminds me....my band, "The Incredibly Unhappy Factor" will be appearing this weekend at the
My Bong cafe in Schenectady, on a triple bill with "Auto Incontinence" and "Band-in-a-Box-on-Fire."

So if you can manage to catch the gig, you'll be able to compare our strikingly non-melodious vocal
input, while watching and listening to the incontinent attempting to put out the fire.

Oops. I just realized this should go to the events list. My apologies.

Please do not berate me with output from the Microsoft Labs Auto Beratement Generator
for posting to the wrong list. Please. I heard it still doesn't run under Vista.

------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 15:09:17 -0500
From: "Robair, Gino" <Gino.Robair at penton.com>
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Microsoft Labs Auto Accompaniment generator.
To: New Music <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <C41FCD7D.11F6E%Gino.Robair at penton.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

Wait a minute: Happy Factor is one of my band names!
Get my attorney on the line, Brady....
*****

The end is near!  Feed in a vocal line to a tempo, and it'll spit out
an arrangement for you.

http://research.microsoft.com/~dan/mysong/

There are "Happy Factor", "Jazz Factor", and other sliders to help you
do your arranging.  The video on the page is pretty funny!  I wonder
what it does with multiphonic input sources?  It might be kinda fun to
feed it back into itself to see what it comes up with.

Enjoy,

Brady



------------------------------

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NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


End of NewMusic Digest, Vol 24, Issue 5
***************************************

From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Mon Apr  7 21:54:41 2008
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 21:54:41 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] bagpipes anyone???
In-Reply-To: <C73CE12E0E2E6D4AA8C97475050023A608C8CC4910@proserpine.paragon.crypticstudios.com>
Message-ID: <403789.5778.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

  Hey!
   
  My pal Josh Pollock is looking for someone that plays bagpipes...feel free to pass this on:
  Please reply to Josh Pollock: joshuapol at aol.com
   
  Cheers,
  PG
  #message162482180947262495155036485010 { overflow:auto; visibility:hidden }    
Hey friends--in short, I need an open-minded bagpipe player.  Know   anyone?  If not, suggestions where to look?  Lemme know...  Hope all's well!  Yours  josh p  



From michaelz at zoka.com  Tue Apr  8 09:13:25 2008
From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 09:13:25 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] bagpipes anyone???
In-Reply-To: <403789.5778.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <403789.5778.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p0624081fc42149d7c216@[192.168.0.2]>

On 4/7/08, Phillip Greenlief wrote:

>   Hey!
>   
>   My pal Josh Pollock is looking for someone that plays 
>bagpipes...feel free to pass this on:
>   Please reply to Josh Pollock: joshuapol at aol.com
>   
>   Cheers,
>   PG

>Hey friends--in short, I need an open-minded bagpipe player.  Know 
>anyone?  If not, suggestions where to look?  Lemme know...  Hope 
>all's well!  Yours  josh p


I think your friend should keep his sick perversions to himself.

Disgusted,
MZ

--------------michaelz at zoka.com---
             Michael Zelner
---Oakland CA USA------------------

From jon_raskin at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  9 12:10:21 2008
From: jon_raskin at yahoo.com (Jon Raskin)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2008 12:10:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] coastal jazz school
Message-ID: <758716.13840.qm@web55608.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

The deadline for registsering was March 15th but I'm amazed this is happening in North America.
Vancouver Creative Music Institute
Artistic Director: Fran?ois Houle
Artist-in-Residence: Barry Guy and Maya Homburger

Faculty:
Evan Parker
Benoit Delbecq
Raymond Strid
Ken Morrison
Giorgio Magnanensi

... 
Applications must be received by: March 15, 2008

A $30 (CAD) non-refundable application fee is required and must be included with your application. Please make CANADIAN cheques or money orders payable to Vancouver Community College. U.S. or foreign cheques are not accepted. You may also pay by Visa, Mastercard, American Express. Please indicate payment details at the bottom of the application form, available here. Upon acceptance, a non-refundable tuition deposit of $275 CAD is due by April 30, 2008, with the balance of $400 CAD due June 1, 2008. Participants may elect to pay the entire $675 by April 30, $400 of which is refundable if the registration is cancelled. 

Join leading international creative musicians for an intensive 7-day program. Open to emerging and innovative musicians concentrating on improvisation, new compositional practices, and/or new technologies.

VCMI dovetails with the TD Canada Trust Vancouver International Jazz Festival: June 20-June 29, 2008

 
Jon Raskin

From gcremaschi at hotmail.com  Thu Apr 10 10:02:17 2008
From: gcremaschi at hotmail.com (George Cremaschi)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:02:17 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Cosa Brava photos
In-Reply-To: <8CA5E4A1274997E-BE8-1637@webmail-nc20.sysops.aol.com>
References: <c70e517b0803251806i1ab73850qd811d82dee633ca7@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001c8901a$2aea0b70$6501a8c0@eyefull01> 
	<8CA5E4A1274997E-BE8-1637@webmail-nc20.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W47F4C74C8BF6F3F59CB957C1EC0@phx.gbl>



blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=200271248&blogID=375733263
_________________________________________________________________
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From 21grand at 21grand.org  Thu Apr 10 14:43:13 2008
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 14:43:13 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Death of music/record industry part 23.47
Message-ID: <C423D801.2409D%21grand@21grand.org>

"Still, the lesson of Mr. Weisfeld?s store seems to be that if you?re going
to be a dinosaur, be a serious dinosaur."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/10/nyregion/10towns.html?em&ex=1207972800&en=
53a340f1ab6bc21d&ei=5087%0A

Though some things have changed - re: the store's employees:
They don?t roll their eyes anymore,? said Matthew Hersh, 31, a Princeton
native and longtime shopper. ?They used to be holier than thou. They might
still be, but they don?t show it as much.?

sl



From mylesaudio at aol.com  Thu Apr 10 16:26:49 2008
From: mylesaudio at aol.com (mylesaudio at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 19:26:49 -0400
Subject: [NewMusic] Cosa Brava photos/ Photo etiquette
In-Reply-To: <BLU136-W47F4C74C8BF6F3F59CB957C1EC0@phx.gbl>
References: <c70e517b0803251806i1ab73850qd811d82dee633ca7@mail.gmail.com>	<000001c8901a$2aea0b70$6501a8c0@eyefull01>
	<8CA5E4A1274997E-BE8-1637@webmail-nc20.sysops.aol.com>
	<BLU136-W47F4C74C8BF6F3F59CB957C1EC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <8CA69797BA7B196-E4-2E26@webmail-nd12.sysops.aol.com>

I read this guy's blog - what a whiner! If he was taking flash photos, 
or getting in people's faces like annoying photographers like to do, he 
should have backed off when told to do so. Also I couldn't help but 
notice his sense of entitlement, acting like he was there to help 
promote Frith's career.

As a musician and photographer I do see both sides of this argument. 
Most often I side with the musician, and it is annoying that so many 
people take pictures at gigs now without permission or professionalism 
or sensitivity to the performers. Not to mention that people post 
pictures indiscriminately. I'm in a band that is touring the country 
now (Vermillion Lies) and there is a steady stream of under-exposed/ 
unfocused/ unflattering/ just plain bad photos out there that do no 
good to the subject or the photographer.

Anyway, my thoughts on photo etiquette and ways to avoid annoying 
performers and audience members...

DON'T use flash in a concert, not ever.
Figure out how to mute the stupid faux shutter noise on your point and 
shoot digital.
Don't shoot with your fancy SLR during quiet passages.
Don't run around during a show like you're in the middle of a military 
coup  - find a good inobtrusive vantage point that is not in front of 
the stage and stay there for a while.
If you don't know the performers, introduce yourself and generate a 
little goodwill before taking photos.
And don't post crappy-looking photos on the internet.

My 2 cents - Myles


-----Original Message-----
From: George Cremaschi <gcremaschi at hotmail.com>
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 10:02 am
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Cosa Brava photos







blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=200271248&blogID
=375733263
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From michaelz at zoka.com  Thu Apr 10 17:10:26 2008
From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 17:10:26 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Cosa Brava photos/ Photo etiquette
In-Reply-To: <8CA69797BA7B196-E4-2E26@webmail-nd12.sysops.aol.com>
References: <c70e517b0803251806i1ab73850qd811d82dee633ca7@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001c8901a$2aea0b70$6501a8c0@eyefull01>
	<8CA5E4A1274997E-BE8-1637@webmail-nc20.sysops.aol.com>
	<BLU136-W47F4C74C8BF6F3F59CB957C1EC0@phx.gbl>
	<8CA69797BA7B196-E4-2E26@webmail-nd12.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <p0624083cc42459425d66@[192.168.0.2]>

On 4/10/08, mylesaudio at aol.com wrote:

>Anyway, my thoughts on photo etiquette and ways to avoid annoying
>performers and audience members...
>
>DON'T use flash in a concert, not ever.
>Figure out how to mute the stupid faux shutter noise on your point and
>shoot digital.
>Don't shoot with your fancy SLR during quiet passages.
>Don't run around during a show like you're in the middle of a military
>coup  - find a good inobtrusive vantage point that is not in front of
>the stage and stay there for a while.
>If you don't know the performers, introduce yourself and generate a
>little goodwill before taking photos.
>And don't post crappy-looking photos on the internet.
>
>My 2 cents - Myles


All excellent advice!

I would add only:

Don't sit next to someone who is recording the show while you shoot 
with your stupid faux shutter noise or fancy SLR.

I'm sure Myles didn't mention this explicitly because he knows how 
obvious this is -- but still.

MZ



--------------michaelz at zoka.com---
             Michael Zelner
---Oakland CA USA------------------

From gcremaschi at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 11 02:48:07 2008
From: gcremaschi at hotmail.com (George Cremaschi)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 02:48:07 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Cosa Brava photos/ Photo etiquette
In-Reply-To: <8CA69797BA7B196-E4-2E26@webmail-nd12.sysops.aol.com>
References: <c70e517b0803251806i1ab73850qd811d82dee633ca7@mail.gmail.com>
	<000001c8901a$2aea0b70$6501a8c0@eyefull01>
	<8CA5E4A1274997E-BE8-1637@webmail-nc20.sysops.aol.com>
	<BLU136-W47F4C74C8BF6F3F59CB957C1EC0@phx.gbl> 
	<8CA69797BA7B196-E4-2E26@webmail-nd12.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W1138FCB2F9C449509B656C1EF0@phx.gbl>


I wasn't there, so I don't know, but I'm sure most of us can imagine the 
situation well enough. I do know the photographer, and in his defense, 
he is very professional, very highly regarded in his native ex-Yugoslavia and 
beyond, and a really nice guy. He certainly didn't 'get in my face' when he 
took photographs of my show once, but that was just my experience. 

But the fact remains that, actually, yes, he was there to promote
Mr Frith's career. We need those photographers and writers, badly.
Maybe Fred and Zorn don't, now, but no one can deny that their careers
have been sustained by the often slavish coverage I've seen them get
over the years. Their position as near-rockstars in little countries like Slovenia
is enviable, unimaginable if you haven't witnessed it firsthand - and would not 
have happened without people like Ziga Koritnik taking pictures and getting
them printed in major newspapers.

How many discussions have happened on this list about how badly the Bay Area 
scene needs people to write about, and photograph, it? 

Anyway, the next time you're playing in Ljubljana, and Ziga Koritnik shows
up to take some photos, be grateful - that means it's a real event. 

-George





> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Cosa Brava photos/ Photo etiquette
> 
> I read this guy's blog - what a whiner! If he was taking flash photos, 
> or getting in people's faces like annoying photographers like to do, he 
> should have backed off when told to do so. Also I couldn't help but 
> notice his sense of entitlement, acting like he was there to help 
> promote Frith's career.
> 
> As a musician and photographer I do see both sides of this argument. 
> Most often I side with the musician, and it is annoying that so many 
> people take pictures at gigs now without permission or professionalism 
> or sensitivity to the performers. Not to mention that people post 
> pictures indiscriminately. I'm in a band that is touring the country 
> now (Vermillion Lies) and there is a steady stream of under-exposed/ 
> unfocused/ unflattering/ just plain bad photos out there that do no 
> good to the subject or the photographer.
> 
> Anyway, my thoughts on photo etiquette and ways to avoid annoying 
> performers and audience members...
> 
> DON'T use flash in a concert, not ever.
> Figure out how to mute the stupid faux shutter noise on your point and 
> shoot digital.
> Don't shoot with your fancy SLR during quiet passages.
> Don't run around during a show like you're in the middle of a military 
> coup  - find a good inobtrusive vantage point that is not in front of 
> the stage and stay there for a while.
> If you don't know the performers, introduce yourself and generate a 
> little goodwill before taking photos.
> And don't post crappy-looking photos on the internet.
> 
> My 2 cents - Myles



_________________________________________________________________
Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic.
http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN51N1653A

From 21grand at 21grand.org  Fri Apr 11 11:54:35 2008
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:54:35 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic]  Cosa Brava photos/ Photo etiquette
Message-ID: <C42501FB.240DB%21grand@21grand.org>

True enough, but the key word is "well." The scene needs people to write
about and document it well. Lots of the discussions revolved around crappy
writing. I think people have less exacting standards about photography.

sl

George wrote:
How many discussions have happened on this list about how badly the Bay Area
scene needs people to write about, and photograph, it? 



From Damon at balancepointacoustics.com  Fri Apr 11 12:17:58 2008
From: Damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2008 12:17:58 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Guest DJ today at KUSF 3-4pm (pacific time)
Message-ID: <01D6EF30-DDE8-4E62-8D7A-2F23548CE5A1@balancepointacoustics.com>

You can listen online here:
http://kusf.org

Damon Smith

http://www.balancepointacoustics.com
http://myspace.com/smithdamon
New solo project:
http://www.myspace.com/damonsmithsolo





From slusser at pixar.com  Mon Apr 14 14:27:20 2008
From: slusser at pixar.com (David Slusser)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 14:27:20 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] not everybody can
Message-ID: <F9D20911-B6D6-4F27-9001-B769E4206CA7@pixar.com>

man, this cat can really play Theremin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ONJfp95yoE

From letucepry at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 15 11:09:25 2008
From: letucepry at yahoo.com (Ron Lettuce)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 11:09:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] not everybody can
Message-ID: <361246.66881.qm@web50307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Wow, that's cool, although I wonder if it was intentionally made to look like a cat toy (looks exactly like the kind of toy I can't buy my cat cause he chews off the top and is left with a wire that looks exactly like that theremin), or it was just an accident.



----- Original Message ----
From: David Slusser <slusser at pixar.com>
To: New Music <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 2:27:20 PM
Subject: [NewMusic] not everybody can

man, this cat can really play Theremin:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ONJfp95yoE
_______________________________________________
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From pnyboer at slambassador.com  Tue Apr 15 14:59:57 2008
From: pnyboer at slambassador.com (Peter Nyboer)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:59:57 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] motu traveller?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1208232003.8620.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
References: <mailman.1.1208232003.8620.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <516DF949-D210-4BBF-84D8-45DCD05B9725@slambassador.com>

hi,

(tried to send this a while ago, but I don't think it went thru)
Does anyone have a motu traveller interface that I can borrow or rent  
for a couple of days?  I need to test something out w/ it, but I  
don't want to buy one for 2 days of use...

If you do, contact me offlist...

Thanks,

Peter.

From coreyfogel at gmail.com  Tue Apr 15 19:16:16 2008
From: coreyfogel at gmail.com (corey fogel)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 19:16:16 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] vinyl record cutter
Message-ID: <7a259c0804151916o1e1c65a8rcec01753a31eee1e@mail.gmail.com>

anyone have a vinyl cutter i could use, for trade / cash / etc ?

thanks
corey

-- 
corey fogel
????????????
http://myspace.com/knitdrums
http://tangram7s.info/cmf
????????????

From Damon at balancepointacoustics.com  Tue Apr 15 22:11:06 2008
From: Damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:11:06 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Good book about Cage's music?
Message-ID: <4C45CFF8-E82F-4393-8C3F-CF2C1039E929@balancepointacoustics.com>

Most of the ones I have seen focus on his writings, lectures and  
philosophy. I would really  like a blow by blow of his composing  
methods during different periods and a breakdown of what pieces  
address which ideas.


Damon Smith

http://www.balancepointacoustics.com
http://myspace.com/smithdamon
New solo project:
http://www.myspace.com/damonsmithsolo





From tbickley at metatronpress.com  Tue Apr 15 22:40:58 2008
From: tbickley at metatronpress.com (Tom Bickley)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:40:58 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Good book about Cage's music?
In-Reply-To: <4C45CFF8-E82F-4393-8C3F-CF2C1039E929@balancepointacoustics.com>
References: <4C45CFF8-E82F-4393-8C3F-CF2C1039E929@balancepointacoustics.com>
Message-ID: <EC917A2E-38E6-44B6-9D9D-D726926EC479@metatronpress.com>

Howdy Damon,

One good place for this info is:

James Pritchett _The Music of John Cage_ (Cambridge University Press,  
1993). Parts of it are online via google books (see http:// 
tinyurl.com/3wtox8)
and this book is available in several local libraries (SF Public, UC  
Berkeley, SF State, San Jose State). If I had more than $1.95 left in  
my music book budget, we'd have one soon at CSU East Bay. I'll put  
that on the wish list for next year.

Pritchett's book is really helpful. There's some much less helpful  
descriptions of Cage's processes in The Roaring Silence by David  
Revill (NY: Arcade, 1992). And there's a lot of great research and  
writing about Cage's life et al, as you note. The focus on the music  
is a bit rarer.

You're always welcome to join the Silence listserv (founded by our  
own Joe Zitt). It's a long-running, very flame-free, discussion of  
Cage and related topics.
https://list.mail.virginia.edu/mailman/listinfo/silence

Hope this helps! Pax, -Tom

On Apr 15, 2008, at 10:11 PM, Damon Smith wrote:

> Most of the ones I have seen focus on his writings, lectures and
> philosophy. I would really  like a blow by blow of his composing
> methods during different periods and a breakdown of what pieces
> address which ideas.
>
>
> Damon Smith
>
> http://www.balancepointacoustics.com
> http://myspace.com/smithdamon
> New solo project:
> http://www.myspace.com/damonsmithsolo
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


From jhoopes at mills.edu  Wed Apr 16 00:29:06 2008
From: jhoopes at mills.edu (Jason L. Hoopes)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 00:29:06 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Good book about Cage's music?
In-Reply-To: <4C45CFF8-E82F-4393-8C3F-CF2C1039E929@balancepointacoustics.com>
References: <4C45CFF8-E82F-4393-8C3F-CF2C1039E929@balancepointacoustics.com>
Message-ID: <1208330946.4805aac22981a@webmail.mills.edu>

"The Music of John Cage" by James Pritchett

Jason



Quoting Damon Smith <Damon at balancepointacoustics.com>:

 Most of the ones I have seen focus on his writings, lectures and
 philosophy. I would really  like a blow by blow of his composing
 methods during different periods and a breakdown of what pieces
 address which ideas.


 Damon Smith

 http://www.balancepointacoustics.com
 http://myspace.com/smithdamon
 New solo project:
 http://www.myspace.com/damonsmithsolo




 _______________________________________________
 Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
 NewMusic at music.mills.edu
 http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic




From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Wed Apr 16 09:41:38 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 11:41:38 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] Good book about Cage's music
Message-ID: <C42B7A52.124F1%Gino.Robair@penton.com>



John Tilbury has some insightful comments in here:
http://www.ubu.com/historical/cardew/cardew_stockhausen.pdf


From bthrew at gmail.com  Wed Apr 16 10:04:48 2008
From: bthrew at gmail.com (barry threw)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:04:48 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] xenakis multichannel
Message-ID: <DE448222-FD13-46FF-9A49-D5058FD03923@gmail.com>

Hello all,

Does anyone know anyone who has multichannel Xenakis pieces?  Not  
mixes, but the actual ones from Xenakis?

Thanks,

bt

barry threw
Media Art and Technology

San Francisco, CA
Work: 857-544-3967
Email: bthrew (at) gmail (dot) com
Web: www.barrythrew.com


From wobbly at detritus.net  Wed Apr 16 21:50:50 2008
From: wobbly at detritus.net (wobbly)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 21:50:50 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] xenakis multichannel
In-Reply-To: <DE448222-FD13-46FF-9A49-D5058FD03923@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C42C253A.8964%wobbly@detritus.net>

hi barry

I'd love to know the answer to this as well -- they aren't rentable from
somewhere, or published by someone?

as RML alumni I'm sure you've heard the 'Persepolis' multitracks that were
handed out to artists for the remix album Naut spearheaded a few years back.
It was pretty interesting to hear just how raw the seperated tracks were --
each track just a relentless exploration of a few sound elements.  it
explained the drastic differences in all the different stereo mixes that had
been released of the piece -- unlike something like 'Kontakte' which has
tons of very specific spatial information already printed to tape, with
'Persepolis' the structure & dynamics are largely determined by the mixer

given Gerald Pape's recent remix of 'La legend d'eer', same goes for that
piece.  anyone who's only heard that polite version, seek out Xenakis'
original mix on Auvidis Montaigne and get yourself pulped

-jl



on 4/16/08 10:04 AM, barry threw at bthrew at gmail.com wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> Does anyone know anyone who has multichannel Xenakis pieces?  Not
> mixes, but the actual ones from Xenakis?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> bt
> 
> barry threw
> Media Art and Technology
> 
> San Francisco, CA
> Work: 857-544-3967
> Email: bthrew (at) gmail (dot) com
> Web: www.barrythrew.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


From mhenry at crypticstudios.com  Wed Apr 16 22:45:34 2008
From: mhenry at crypticstudios.com (Michael Henry)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:45:34 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Xenakis Multichannel
Message-ID: <C73CE12E0E2E6D4AA8C97475050023A608E00375D5@proserpine.paragon.crypticstudios.com>

Barry --

Most everything of Xenakis is available through his publisher, Editions Salabert.

If you got to:

http://www.durand-salabert-eschig.com/formcat/catalogues/xenakis_iannis.pdf

And scroll down to page 36, you'll start to get the list of electro-acoustic works and the various formats they come in (ADAT, etc.)


Editions Salabert's rental catalogue is distributed via Boosey and Hawkes in the U.S.  So if you are interested, you should contact them in NY first.

http://www.boosey.com/

-MH


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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 10:04:48 -0700
From: barry threw <bthrew at gmail.com>
Subject: [NewMusic] xenakis multichannel
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
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Hello all,

Does anyone know anyone who has multichannel Xenakis pieces?  Not
mixes, but the actual ones from Xenakis?

Thanks,

bt

barry threw
Media Art and Technology

San Francisco, CA
Work: 857-544-3967
Email: bthrew (at) gmail (dot) com
Web: www.barrythrew.com

From mhenry at crypticstudios.com  Thu Apr 17 02:20:12 2008
From: mhenry at crypticstudios.com (Michael Henry)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 02:20:12 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Good book about Cage's Music?
Message-ID: <C73CE12E0E2E6D4AA8C97475050023A608E00375D7@proserpine.paragon.crypticstudios.com>

Beyond Pritchett's book, you'll need to dig through the various musicological journals
(Perspectives of New Music, Journal of the American Musicological Society, etc.),
because there really isn't a much else other than the isolated passage in various tomes
(Paul Griffiths, etc.)

I seem to recall that most of the major academic music journals devoted entire issues
to Cage and his music after his death.

Good opportunity for someone interested in doing some research to write a book.
It's really quite surprising that some major musico-analytical text hasn't shown up yet,
given Cage's stature. For those interested in such a project, I do know that Northwestern
University got most of Cage's manuscripts (Wesleyan got his writings/letters).

-MH

(still not going anywhere near my-Rupert Murdoch-space.com)

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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:11:06 -0700
From: Damon Smith <Damon at balancepointacoustics.com>
Subject: [NewMusic] Good book about Cage's music?
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Message-ID:
        <4C45CFF8-E82F-4393-8C3F-CF2C1039E929 at balancepointacoustics.com>
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Most of the ones I have seen focus on his writings, lectures and
philosophy. I would really  like a blow by blow of his composing
methods during different periods and a breakdown of what pieces
address which ideas.


Damon Smith

http://www.balancepointacoustics.com
http://myspace.com/smithdamon
New solo project:
http://www.myspace.com/damonsmithsolo



From 21grand at 21grand.org  Thu Apr 17 11:43:25 2008
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 11:43:25 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Transbay deadline?
Message-ID: <C42CE85D.242EB%21grand@21grand.org>

What's the last possible date I can get shows listed to appear in the May
transbay?

sl



From slusser at pixar.com  Thu Apr 17 17:30:50 2008
From: slusser at pixar.com (David Slusser)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:30:50 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] new gizmo
In-Reply-To: <C73CE12E0E2E6D4AA8C97475050023A608E00375D7@proserpine.paragon.crypticstudios.com>
References: <C73CE12E0E2E6D4AA8C97475050023A608E00375D7@proserpine.paragon.crypticstudios.com>
Message-ID: <D81810CF-FCF4-4DFE-9E30-F13FC9C34BCD@pixar.com>

http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=dna



From liberatednsf at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 17 18:06:24 2008
From: liberatednsf at yahoo.com (andrew wilshusen)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:06:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] new gizmo
Message-ID: <581926.568.qm@web30508.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

"think of all the guitar loops in your sample library."  shoot me now.  i just feel like we're working really hard at making ourselves obsolete.  remember the good 'ol days when you used to be able to change a guitar chord by moving your fingers?  yeah, that was far out!

andrew



 
Ev oida oti oudev oida



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From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com  Thu Apr 17 18:37:47 2008
From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 18:37:47 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Toyoji Tomita
References: <1208468578.4807c462aae82@webmail.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <CFE05758-09DF-4C05-B691-FC88424FB9E6@matthewgoodheart.com>

I got this email a few hours ago.

Words fail.


> It is with great sadness that I convey the news that Toyoji Tomita  
> died
> of a heart attack this morning. Toyoji was a wonderful trombonist who
> studied at the Juilliard School and the Curtis Institute of Music. He
> received an M.F.A. in electronic music from Mills College in 1986; and
> studied the didjeridu and modern trombone technique with Stuart
> Dempster.
>
> Toyoji taught trombone at Mills and participated in  many concerts  
> here
> over the years. In 1976, he won the First Prize in the Gaudeaumus
> International competition for Interpreters of Modern Music in
> Rotterdam, Holland. While living in Paris, France he toured Europe
> extensively, both as a soloist and as a member of the Ensemble Musique
> Vivante.
>
> Everyone who knew him will surely remember his wonderful sense of  
> humor
> and generous spirit.




Matthew Goodheart
composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
http://matthewgoodheart.com
http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart





From polly.moller at gmail.com  Thu Apr 17 21:30:52 2008
From: polly.moller at gmail.com (Polly Moller)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:30:52 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Toyoji Tomita
In-Reply-To: <CFE05758-09DF-4C05-B691-FC88424FB9E6@matthewgoodheart.com>
References: <1208468578.4807c462aae82@webmail.mills.edu>
	<CFE05758-09DF-4C05-B691-FC88424FB9E6@matthewgoodheart.com>
Message-ID: <2eb068d40804172130y63cc8e86rf2a49d79b587c219@mail.gmail.com>

This is awful news.
My heart goes out to Marianne and everyone who was close to him.
P.

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Matthew Goodheart
<matthew at matthewgoodheart.com> wrote:
> I got this email a few hours ago.
>
>  Words fail.
>
>
>  > It is with great sadness that I convey the news that Toyoji Tomita
>  > died
>  > of a heart attack this morning. Toyoji was a wonderful trombonist who
>  > studied at the Juilliard School and the Curtis Institute of Music. He
>  > received an M.F.A. in electronic music from Mills College in 1986; and
>  > studied the didjeridu and modern trombone technique with Stuart
>  > Dempster.
>  >
>  > Toyoji taught trombone at Mills and participated in  many concerts
>  > here
>  > over the years. In 1976, he won the First Prize in the Gaudeaumus
>  > International competition for Interpreters of Modern Music in
>  > Rotterdam, Holland. While living in Paris, France he toured Europe
>  > extensively, both as a soloist and as a member of the Ensemble Musique
>  > Vivante.
>  >
>  > Everyone who knew him will surely remember his wonderful sense of
>  > humor
>  > and generous spirit.
>
>
>
>
>  Matthew Goodheart
>  composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
>  matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
>  http://matthewgoodheart.com
>  http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart
>
>
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>  NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>  http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>



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From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Fri Apr 18 02:31:50 2008
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 02:31:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Toyoji Tomita
In-Reply-To: <2eb068d40804172130y63cc8e86rf2a49d79b587c219@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <180992.91419.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

he was a fantastic musician. i'm still totally shocked. mostly because he had quit smoking and was looking so healthy lately...i remember complimenting him on this last month. 
   
  i heard the news this morning from philip gelb, who got it from pauline. citta di vitti dedicated one of our more introspective pieces to him this evening at the starry plough. he was an individual in the first degree. you always knew where you stood with him, which isn't always the case in this world. 
   
  i'm so thankful for the music we made together - i started to think about it, and most of those situations were large ensembles: pauline's orchestra, sf sound, harris eisenstadt's ahimsa orchestra, orchesperry....all wonderful experiences. i'll miss him a lot, as i'm sure most folks on this list will do the same.
   
  andy strain said he dropped by and visited marianne and toyoji's mother today. he said they would appreciate visitors and that folks should bring food - they're totally out of it and are in shock and could use the company and the support.
   
  much love to all of us in the wake of this sadness and especially to toyoji and his family.
   
  pg
   
  

Polly Moller <polly.moller at gmail.com> wrote:
  This is awful news.
My heart goes out to Marianne and everyone who was close to him.
P.

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Matthew Goodheart
wrote:
> I got this email a few hours ago.
>
> Words fail.
>
>
> > It is with great sadness that I convey the news that Toyoji Tomita
> > died
> > of a heart attack this morning. Toyoji was a wonderful trombonist who
> > studied at the Juilliard School and the Curtis Institute of Music. He
> > received an M.F.A. in electronic music from Mills College in 1986; and
> > studied the didjeridu and modern trombone technique with Stuart
> > Dempster.
> >
> > Toyoji taught trombone at Mills and participated in many concerts
> > here
> > over the years. In 1976, he won the First Prize in the Gaudeaumus
> > International competition for Interpreters of Modern Music in
> > Rotterdam, Holland. While living in Paris, France he toured Europe
> > extensively, both as a soloist and as a member of the Ensemble Musique
> > Vivante.
> >
> > Everyone who knew him will surely remember his wonderful sense of
> > humor
> > and generous spirit.
>
>
>
>
> Matthew Goodheart
> composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
> matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
> http://matthewgoodheart.com
> http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>



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From pnyboer at slambassador.com  Fri Apr 18 08:53:08 2008
From: pnyboer at slambassador.com (Peter Nyboer)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 08:53:08 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] new gizmo
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1208491203.13038.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
References: <mailman.1.1208491203.13038.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <69C2E014-F567-43CA-ADA1-9E0E30F91AC9@slambassador.com>


>  just feel like we're working really hard at making ourselves  
> obsolete.


(for those who didn't watch the video, the gizmo is software that can  
break up chords from source audio into pieces, letting you retune  
chords of digital audio, as you might a MIDI track.  For those who  
DID watch the video, anyone else think that was the first clean shirt  
the "inventor" had on in weeks??)

Given that it probably cost a gazillion dollars, its actual use will  
no doubt be a tool for a lot of mediocrity ("lipstick on the pig"),  
but the idea certainly opens up a lot of imagination in a free mind  
working in an open system.  While it may make industrial applications  
of music (which are often the only paying ones) less reliant on  
gestural craft, it could also enable good ideas to come to life from  
people who are not gesturally skilled.


Pete



From olorin at lmi.net  Fri Apr 18 16:12:24 2008
From: olorin at lmi.net (olorin at lmi.net)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:12:24 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Toyoji RIP
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1208491203.13038.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
References: <mailman.1.1208491203.13038.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <20080418161224.r0ju4sl2oosocks0@webmail.lmi.net>


> I got this email a few hours ago.
>
> Words fail.
>
>
>> It is with great sadness that I convey the news that Toyoji Tomita
>> died
>> of a heart attack this morning. Toyoji was a wonderful trombonist who
>> studied at the Juilliard School and the Curtis Institute of Music. He
>> received an M.F.A. in electronic music from Mills College in 1986; and
>> studied the didjeridu and modern trombone technique with Stuart
>> Dempster.
>>
>> Toyoji taught trombone at Mills and participated in  many concerts
>> here
>> over the years. In 1976, he won the First Prize in the Gaudeaumus
>> International competition for Interpreters of Modern Music in
>> Rotterdam, Holland. While living in Paris, France he toured Europe
>> extensively, both as a soloist and as a member of the Ensemble Musique
>> Vivante.
>>
>> Everyone who knew him will surely remember his wonderful sense of
>> humor
>> and generous spirit.
>
>
>
>
> Matthew Goodheart
> composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
> matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
> http://matthewgoodheart.com
> http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart
>


wow - so sad to hear. he was a great spirit and an amazingly gifted  
improviser and player. one of my favorite moments of him was him doing  
the berio sequenza V in whiteface, like pierrot, at the sfsound berio  
concert. a great, arresting and dramatic performance to be sure. as  
well the many concerts of brassiosaurus, of which i chanced to see few  
of these. great sounds, great ideas, all combined with a sense of play  
and fun. he will be missed. my sincere condolences...

count me in for any memorial concerts or tributes.


scott

http://myspace.com/scottrlooney






From tfbsaxman at hotmail.com  Sat Apr 19 09:17:11 2008
From: tfbsaxman at hotmail.com (Michael Cooke)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:17:11 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Sun & Moon
Message-ID: <BAY102-W45CE130C782879B439B92BB7E70@phx.gbl>


Hey all,

Back in March the SFCCO did a circle music composition I wrote I thought I would share that with you all.

http://www.sfcco.org/audio/sunmoon.asx

The Sun & Moon have been center of mythology since the dawn of time. They represent the balance of man and woman, light and dark, the cycle of life. This musical representation of Sun & Moon consists of two sections, Sun starts from left and moves to the right then moon start from the right and move to the left. These sections are in a form known as circle music. Essentially, circle music uses phrases that can be played at any time and in any order. I first learn about circle music form from Dr. Cindy McTee who wrote a circle music piece for my bassoon teacher.


Michael Cooke
http://www.blackhatrecords.com/

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From aldentel at sbcglobal.net  Sat Apr 19 21:54:00 2008
From: aldentel at sbcglobal.net (A.L. Dentel)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 21:54:00 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] piano up for grabs
Message-ID: <480ACC68.6030604@sbcglobal.net>

I have the smallest baby grand ever (5' by 5') that has been sitting in 
a friend's recording studio.  They no longer want it there and I have 
nowhere to put it.  I'd like it to go to a good home- to someone who 
will play it and have fun with it.  It is an Estey "workingman's Grand" 
made around the turn of the last century in OK condition, meaning that 
all the keys work and it is completely functional but the finish is not 
in the best condition and could use some minor repairs. Free but you 
have to move it.  If I can't give it away by Tuesday it's going on 
Craig's List! Anyone interested?

Ann Dentel


From aliciabyer at gmail.com  Sat Apr 19 22:46:11 2008
From: aliciabyer at gmail.com (Alicia Byer)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 22:46:11 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] piano up for grabs
In-Reply-To: <480ACC68.6030604@sbcglobal.net>
References: <480ACC68.6030604@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <480AD8A3.80309@gmail.com>

Hi Anne,

I have a teeny studio apartment but I would love a baby grand piano and 
I'm pretty sure it'd fit. do you know how much it would be to move it? I 
know piano movers are expensive, but I'd be happy to pay for that. I've 
been looking for a piano forever but can't really afford one, but it 
would be really great if you don't have anybody else in mind! Let me 
know, feel free to call.

Alicia
510-316-9478 cell
510-834-0512 home

A.L. Dentel wrote:
> I have the smallest baby grand ever (5' by 5') that has been sitting in 
> a friend's recording studio.  They no longer want it there and I have 
> nowhere to put it.  I'd like it to go to a good home- to someone who 
> will play it and have fun with it.  It is an Estey "workingman's Grand" 
> made around the turn of the last century in OK condition, meaning that 
> all the keys work and it is completely functional but the finish is not 
> in the best condition and could use some minor repairs. Free but you 
> have to move it.  If I can't give it away by Tuesday it's going on 
> Craig's List! Anyone interested?
>
> Ann Dentel
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>   


From tbickley at metatronpress.com  Sat Apr 19 23:21:09 2008
From: tbickley at metatronpress.com (Tom Bickley)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 23:21:09 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Toyoji's obituary
Message-ID: <FF60CFB2-2B9F-4985-AA2E-88674F31022B@metatronpress.com>

Dear BAnewmus,

You can view Toyoji's obituary and leave a note there by going to
http://www.sfgate.com/c/obituaries/ and searching on his family name  
Tomita.

Pax et bonum, -Tom

---------------
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http://www.metatronpress.com/artists/tbickley/
http://www.myspace.com/tbickley

"In a sense this music is indeed ?derivative?, but it was wrong to  
use this word, which has a pejorative character in bourgeois  
criticism. In fact there is no art production that is not derived in  
some way from things that went before, and above all there is no art  
that is not ?derived? from social practice. " -Cornelius Cardew



From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Sun Apr 20 09:17:05 2008
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 09:17:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] piano up for grabs
In-Reply-To: <480AD8A3.80309@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <365003.59228.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hey Alicia,
   
  There are a few piano movers in the yellow pages that charge somewhere in the neighborhood of $100 to move a piano. There are always extra charges if you have stairs...on either end.
   
  Good luck with that - I hope you get it. And thanks, Anne for posting here.
   
  PG
  

Alicia Byer <aliciabyer at gmail.com> wrote:
  Hi Anne,

I have a teeny studio apartment but I would love a baby grand piano and 
I'm pretty sure it'd fit. do you know how much it would be to move it? I 
know piano movers are expensive, but I'd be happy to pay for that. I've 
been looking for a piano forever but can't really afford one, but it 
would be really great if you don't have anybody else in mind! Let me 
know, feel free to call.

Alicia
510-316-9478 cell
510-834-0512 home

A.L. Dentel wrote:
> I have the smallest baby grand ever (5' by 5') that has been sitting in 
> a friend's recording studio. They no longer want it there and I have 
> nowhere to put it. I'd like it to go to a good home- to someone who 
> will play it and have fun with it. It is an Estey "workingman's Grand" 
> made around the turn of the last century in OK condition, meaning that 
> all the keys work and it is completely functional but the finish is not 
> in the best condition and could use some minor repairs. Free but you 
> have to move it. If I can't give it away by Tuesday it's going on 
> Craig's List! Anyone interested?
>
> Ann Dentel
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
> 

_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


From aldentel at sbcglobal.net  Sun Apr 20 11:16:18 2008
From: aldentel at sbcglobal.net (A.L. Dentel)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:16:18 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] piano up for grabs
In-Reply-To: <365003.59228.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <365003.59228.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <480B8872.2010403@sbcglobal.net>

Hey Y'all,

Alicia as the first responder gets the piano!  Thanks for all the interest.

Ann

Phillip Greenlief wrote:
> Hey Alicia,
>    
>   There are a few piano movers in the yellow pages that charge somewhere in the neighborhood of $100 to move a piano. There are always extra charges if you have stairs...on either end.
>    
>   Good luck with that - I hope you get it. And thanks, Anne for posting here.
>    
>   PG
>   
>
> Alicia Byer <aliciabyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>   Hi Anne,
>
> I have a teeny studio apartment but I would love a baby grand piano and 
> I'm pretty sure it'd fit. do you know how much it would be to move it? I 
> know piano movers are expensive, but I'd be happy to pay for that. I've 
> been looking for a piano forever but can't really afford one, but it 
> would be really great if you don't have anybody else in mind! Let me 
> know, feel free to call.
>
> Alicia
> 510-316-9478 cell
> 510-834-0512 home
>
> A.L. Dentel wrote:
>   
>> I have the smallest baby grand ever (5' by 5') that has been sitting in 
>> a friend's recording studio. They no longer want it there and I have 
>> nowhere to put it. I'd like it to go to a good home- to someone who 
>> will play it and have fun with it. It is an Estey "workingman's Grand" 
>> made around the turn of the last century in OK condition, meaning that 
>> all the keys work and it is completely functional but the finish is not 
>> in the best condition and could use some minor repairs. Free but you 
>> have to move it. If I can't give it away by Tuesday it's going on 
>> Craig's List! Anyone interested?
>>
>> Ann Dentel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>
>>
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>
>   


From ingalls at mills.edu  Sun Apr 20 11:48:13 2008
From: ingalls at mills.edu (Matt J. Ingalls)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 11:48:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] piano up for grabs
In-Reply-To: <480ACC68.6030604@sbcglobal.net>
References: <480ACC68.6030604@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0804201147540.1343@myfiles.mills.edu>


21grand

On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, A.L. Dentel wrote:

> I have the smallest baby grand ever (5' by 5') that has been sitting in
> a friend's recording studio.  They no longer want it there and I have
> nowhere to put it.  I'd like it to go to a good home- to someone who
> will play it and have fun with it.  It is an Estey "workingman's Grand"
> made around the turn of the last century in OK condition, meaning that
> all the keys work and it is completely functional but the finish is not
> in the best condition and could use some minor repairs. Free but you
> have to move it.  If I can't give it away by Tuesday it's going on
> Craig's List! Anyone interested?
>
> Ann Dentel
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From aliciabyer at gmail.com  Sun Apr 20 12:21:45 2008
From: aliciabyer at gmail.com (Alicia Byer)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 12:21:45 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] piano up for grabs
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0804201147540.1343@myfiles.mills.edu>
References: <480ACC68.6030604@sbcglobal.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.60.0804201147540.1343@myfiles.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <480B97C9.8080405@gmail.com>

Oh whoops. That makes more sense... do you guys want it? (21grand)....?

-alicia

Matt J. Ingalls wrote:
> 21grand
>
> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, A.L. Dentel wrote:
>
>   
>> I have the smallest baby grand ever (5' by 5') that has been sitting in
>> a friend's recording studio.  They no longer want it there and I have
>> nowhere to put it.  I'd like it to go to a good home- to someone who
>> will play it and have fun with it.  It is an Estey "workingman's Grand"
>> made around the turn of the last century in OK condition, meaning that
>> all the keys work and it is completely functional but the finish is not
>> in the best condition and could use some minor repairs. Free but you
>> have to move it.  If I can't give it away by Tuesday it's going on
>> Craig's List! Anyone interested?
>>
>> Ann Dentel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>
>>     
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>   


From matt at sfsound.org  Sun Apr 20 22:08:33 2008
From: matt at sfsound.org (matt)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:08:33 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: Toyoji Tomita's Memorial & food/wine request
References: <778b80770804201712g2d9d1302if7c142d007c15f16@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B33F1DEE-3C40-4DDE-B3E3-2E6CAE66951A@sfsound.org>



Begin forwarded message:

From: "Andy Strain" <strain.andrew at gmail.com>
Date: April 20, 2008 5:12:33 PM PDT
To: undisclosed-recipients:;
Subject: Fwd: Toyoji Tomita's Memorial & food/wine request

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From:  <Wendyburch at aol.com>
Date: Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:04 PM
Subject: Toyoji Tomita's Memorial & food/wine request


Dear Friends,

As most of you know, our beloved friend and musician Toyoji Tomita
passed because of a massive heart attack on Thursday.  We wanted you
to know that his Memorial will be held at Chapel of the Chimes on
Piedmont Avenue in Oakland, CA on Wednesday, April 23, 2008  at 3:30
PM.

The organizers of the Memorial and reception are asking that you bring
finger food and wine, for the reception which will be at the same
location, Chapel of the Chimes, following the memorial.  This donation
of food given in love will be so appreciated by Marianne, Mary, and
all of us.

There is also a fund set up at the Deep Listening Institute for
Marianne, to help her with the immediate expenses and bills this life
altering passing of Toyoji has left her with.   Please go to
www.http://www.deeplistening.org/site/ to find the place where you can
donate to the Marianne Tomita McDonald fund, or you can send donations
directly to Marianne Tomita McDonald at her address.  Please contact
me for her address if needed.

We look forward to seeing you and honoring together this amazing,
beloved friend and musician, who left us too soon, and to whom we will
say goodbye/hello.... and to support his sweet wife, Marianne.

Please do bring your finger food and wine offerings, and sending love
to you all,

Wendy & Jon

Oakland, CA





From bthrew at gmail.com  Sun Apr 20 22:52:39 2008
From: bthrew at gmail.com (barry threw)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 22:52:39 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Toyoji and Didjeridu Web Site
Message-ID: <A52A696B-9482-4E8A-A596-14B498296314@gmail.com>

Hello everyone.

As many may know, Toyoji was the maintainer of the Dreamtime Didjeridu  
website (we host it on music.mills.edu). He put a lot of time into  
this resource, and in light of his passing, I have to figure out what  
to do with it. It seems like it could use some work...but I know it is  
a unique and valuable site.

I don't know anything about Didjeridus. I know some things about web  
sites, and so could be of help, but this would be best left in the  
hands of someone who uses or finds the instrument endearing.

I'm not even going to go down the rabbit-hole of figuring out  
copyrights.  There were many authors, and I am just going to assume  
that as a community resource Toyoji would have wanted this information  
in the public domain until somebody suggests differently.

If anyone would like to take over the task of maintaining the site, or  
knows someone that would be apt for it, please let me know.

We could just let it deprecate, but I don't think this would be ideal.

Thank you.

bt

barry threw
Media Art and Technology

San Francisco, CA
Work: 857-544-3967
Email: bthrew (at) gmail (dot) com
Web: www.barrythrew.com


From dmichalak at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 21 07:57:17 2008
From: dmichalak at sbcglobal.net (dmichalak)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:57:17 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: Toyoji Tomita's Memorial & food/wine request
References: <778b80770804201712g2d9d1302if7c142d007c15f16@mail.gmail.com>
	<B33F1DEE-3C40-4DDE-B3E3-2E6CAE66951A@sfsound.org>
Message-ID: <006c01c8a3bf$fe299c40$6501a8c0@eyefull01>

Hello,
I'm looking for a ride from S.F. to Toyoji's memorial on Wednesday. (my car 
was stolen) Please contact me off list if you're going and can give me a 
lift. Thanks, David


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "matt" <matt at sfsound.org>
To: <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 10:08 PM
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: Toyoji Tomita's Memorial & food/wine request


>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: "Andy Strain" <strain.andrew at gmail.com>
> Date: April 20, 2008 5:12:33 PM PDT
> To: undisclosed-recipients:;
> Subject: Fwd: Toyoji Tomita's Memorial & food/wine request
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From:  <Wendyburch at aol.com>
> Date: Sun, Apr 20, 2008 at 5:04 PM
> Subject: Toyoji Tomita's Memorial & food/wine request
>
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> As most of you know, our beloved friend and musician Toyoji Tomita
> passed because of a massive heart attack on Thursday.  We wanted you
> to know that his Memorial will be held at Chapel of the Chimes on
> Piedmont Avenue in Oakland, CA on Wednesday, April 23, 2008  at 3:30
> PM.
>
> The organizers of the Memorial and reception are asking that you bring
> finger food and wine, for the reception which will be at the same
> location, Chapel of the Chimes, following the memorial.  This donation
> of food given in love will be so appreciated by Marianne, Mary, and
> all of us.
>
> There is also a fund set up at the Deep Listening Institute for
> Marianne, to help her with the immediate expenses and bills this life
> altering passing of Toyoji has left her with.   Please go to
> www.http://www.deeplistening.org/site/ to find the place where you can
> donate to the Marianne Tomita McDonald fund, or you can send donations
> directly to Marianne Tomita McDonald at her address.  Please contact
> me for her address if needed.
>
> We look forward to seeing you and honoring together this amazing,
> beloved friend and musician, who left us too soon, and to whom we will
> say goodbye/hello.... and to support his sweet wife, Marianne.
>
> Please do bring your finger food and wine offerings, and sending love
> to you all,
>
> Wendy & Jon
>
> Oakland, CA
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>
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From praemedia at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 21 12:23:53 2008
From: praemedia at yahoo.com (Praemedia)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:23:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Goodnight Bebe Barron
Message-ID: <487517.30607.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://matrixsynth.blogspot.com/2008/04/rip-bebe-barron.html


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From aldentel at sbcglobal.net  Mon Apr 21 14:20:49 2008
From: aldentel at sbcglobal.net (A.L. Dentel)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:20:49 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] piano up for grabs
In-Reply-To: <480B97C9.8080405@gmail.com>
References: <480ACC68.6030604@sbcglobal.net>	<Pine.LNX.4.60.0804201147540.1343@myfiles.mills.edu>
	<480B97C9.8080405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <480D0531.5040608@sbcglobal.net>

21 Grand, respond, respond-  If you want it please contact me or Alicia- 
it has to be moved soon!

Ann

Alicia Byer wrote:
> Oh whoops. That makes more sense... do you guys want it? (21grand)....?
>
> -alicia
>
> Matt J. Ingalls wrote:
>   
>> 21grand
>>
>> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, A.L. Dentel wrote:
>>
>>   
>>     
>>> I have the smallest baby grand ever (5' by 5') that has been sitting in
>>> a friend's recording studio.  They no longer want it there and I have
>>> nowhere to put it.  I'd like it to go to a good home- to someone who
>>> will play it and have fun with it.  It is an Estey "workingman's Grand"
>>> made around the turn of the last century in OK condition, meaning that
>>> all the keys work and it is completely functional but the finish is not
>>> in the best condition and could use some minor repairs. Free but you
>>> have to move it.  If I can't give it away by Tuesday it's going on
>>> Craig's List! Anyone interested?
>>>
>>> Ann Dentel
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>>
>>>     
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>
>>   
>>     
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>
>   


From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Mon Apr 21 16:43:40 2008
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:43:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] piano up for grabs
In-Reply-To: <480B97C9.8080405@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <515347.91991.qm@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I've offered pianos to them on two occaisions and sarah says they'd rather not have a piano there.
   
  sarah?
  pg

Alicia Byer <aliciabyer at gmail.com> wrote:
  Oh whoops. That makes more sense... do you guys want it? (21grand)....?

-alicia

Matt J. Ingalls wrote:
> 21grand
>
> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008, A.L. Dentel wrote:
>
> 
>> I have the smallest baby grand ever (5' by 5') that has been sitting in
>> a friend's recording studio. They no longer want it there and I have
>> nowhere to put it. I'd like it to go to a good home- to someone who
>> will play it and have fun with it. It is an Estey "workingman's Grand"
>> made around the turn of the last century in OK condition, meaning that
>> all the keys work and it is completely functional but the finish is not
>> in the best condition and could use some minor repairs. Free but you
>> have to move it. If I can't give it away by Tuesday it's going on
>> Craig's List! Anyone interested?
>>
>> Ann Dentel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>
>> 
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
> 

_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


From tim at perkis.com  Mon Apr 21 22:57:24 2008
From: tim at perkis.com (Tim Perkis)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 22:57:24 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Toyoji Memorial and music
In-Reply-To: <515347.91991.qm@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <515347.91991.qm@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <480D7E44.3020701@perkis.com>

I was asked to forward this to the group by Kathrynn Lyle, who's been 
organizing the memorial service for Toyoji. (For those who haven't 
heard, it's Wednesday at 3:30pm at the Chapel of the Chimes in Oakland.


                       ******************** ATTENTION:  FRIENDS OF 
TOYOJI TOMITA****************************

There is an open invitation for musicians and/or performers who will be 
attending Toyoji's Memorial Service this Wednesday, April 23 at 3:30  to 
perform short (up to 5 minute) pieces during the reception following the 
service.  A sign-up sheet will be placed at one of the front tables near 
the entry to the Chapel.
Our wish is that performances will be informal and happening throughout 
the reception in the chapel area.  People will be listening in the 
chapel area and/or talking in the adjacent reception area. There is a 
tuned grand piano and an organ (I haven't tried it).  The reception will 
begin immediately after the service and can continue until sunset.

From jmojingle at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 22 12:23:02 2008
From: jmojingle at yahoo.com (John Ingle)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 12:23:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] remembering Toyoji with music this thursday
In-Reply-To: <FF60CFB2-2B9F-4985-AA2E-88674F31022B@metatronpress.com>
Message-ID: <302313.16694.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Please forgive this concert talk on the discussion list: I hope that you all will understand.

After Toyoji's death and Miya Masaoka's cancellation (due also to a death in her family), I planned on calling Sarah at 21 Grand and cancelling the concert scheduled for this Thursday, April 24th. After talking with some of the other musicians, I think we should still have the concert and turn it into unofficial heartfelt celebration of our dear friend Toyoji Tomita. I'm sure there will be other official concerts and memorials in the future.

Please come out if you can. We will give all of the musician's proceeds to the Marianne Tomita McDonald fund.

Anyone who wants to join the group can bring their instruments and sit in. I especially would like those of you who were close to him musically to feel welcome to participate, but anyone who wants to join will have that opportunity. There are other interesting concerts that night, so time permitting (how late can we go at 21 Grand???? Sarah????), please consider coming by after your other gigs.

I will see many of you tommorrow at Toyoji's memorial at Chapel of the Chimes. Feel free to talk to me if you want to participate on Thursday.

Again, please forgive this neglect of list protocol and understand that this is my response to the grief of Toyoji's passing. I know that Toyoji told my father that he would look after me, and he did do that like a surrogate dad. He had a big heart is already sorely missed.

sincerely,
John Ingle

(I'm not regularly on e-mail at this point
but can be reached at 510-552-5195)

concert announcement follows;
Please join John Ingle, matt ingalls, Kjell Nordeson, Liz Allbee, and Tim Perkis and guests for a night of improvised music this Thursday, April 24th at 21 Grand.

(note: We regret that Miya Masaoka had to cancel due to a death in her family; we will bring Miya back out to perform with this group in the future)

This concert is dedicated to the memory of our dear friend Toyoji Tomita. The musician's ticket sales will be donated to his family.

We will be inviting other musicians from Toyoji's life to join in this unofficial but heartfelt memorial. We hope that other musicians will consider coming out to 21 Grand after the other bay area new music concerts that night...

Thu 4/24 8:30 PM 21 Grand [416 25th St @Broadway Near 19th Street BART Oakland]



--- On Sat, 4/19/08, Tom Bickley <tbickley at metatronpress.com> wrote:

> From: Tom Bickley <tbickley at metatronpress.com>
> Subject: [NewMusic] Toyoji's obituary
> To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
> Date: Saturday, April 19, 2008, 11:21 PM
> Dear BAnewmus,
> 
> You can view Toyoji's obituary and leave a note there
> by going to
> http://www.sfgate.com/c/obituaries/ and searching on his
> family name
> Tomita.
> 
> Pax et bonum, -Tom
> 
> ---------------
> Tom Bickley, tbickley at metatronpress.com
> http://www.metatronpress.com/artists/tbickley/
> http://www.myspace.com/tbickley
> 
> "In a sense this music is indeed ?derivative?, but
> it was wrong to
> use this word, which has a pejorative character in
> bourgeois
> criticism. In fact there is no art production that is not
> derived in
> some way from things that went before, and above all there
> is no art
> that is not ?derived? from social practice. "
> -Cornelius Cardew
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
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From tim at perkis.com  Tue Apr 22 23:38:47 2008
From: tim at perkis.com (Tim Perkis)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:38:47 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] some toyoji pics
Message-ID: <480ED977.9030309@perkis.com>

I found just a few.

http://phlog.perkis.com/



From jmojingle at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 23 12:39:51 2008
From: jmojingle at yahoo.com (John Ingle)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:39:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] remembering Toyoji with music this thursday
In-Reply-To: <302313.16694.qm@web50508.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <800710.75935.qm@web50501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

(sorry for the re-post, this appeared not to go out properly yesterday)

Please forgive this concert talk on the discussion list: I hope that you all will understand.

After Toyoji's death and Miya Masaoka's cancellation (due also to a death in her family), I planned on calling Sarah at 21 Grand and cancelling the concert scheduled for this Thursday, April 24th. After talking with some of the other musicians, I think we should still have the concert and turn it into unofficial heartfelt celebration of our dear friend Toyoji Tomita. I'm sure there will be other official concerts and memorials in the future.

Please come out if you can. We will give all of the musician's proceeds to the Marianne Tomita McDonald fund.

Anyone who wants to join the group can bring their instruments and sit in. I especially would like those of you who were close to him musically to feel welcome to participate, but anyone who wants to join will have that opportunity. There are other interesting concerts that night, so time permitting (how late can we go at 21 Grand???? Sarah????), please consider coming by after your other gigs.

I will see many of you tommorrow at Toyoji's memorial at Chapel of the Chimes. Feel free to talk to me if you want to participate on Thursday.

Again, please forgive this neglect of list protocol and understand that this is my response to the grief of Toyoji's passing. I know that Toyoji told my father that he would look after me, and he did do that like a surrogate dad. He had a big heart is already sorely missed.

sincerely,
John Ingle

(I'm not regularly on e-mail at this point
but can be reached at 510-552-5195)

concert announcement follows;
Please join John Ingle, matt ingalls, Kjell Nordeson, Liz Allbee, and Tim Perkis and guests for a night of improvised music this Thursday, April 24th at 21 Grand.

(note: We regret that Miya Masaoka had to cancel due to a death in her family; we will bring Miya back out to perform with this group in the future)

This concert is dedicated to the memory of our dear friend Toyoji Tomita. The musician's ticket sales will be donated to his family.

We will be inviting other musicians from Toyoji's life to join in this unofficial but heartfelt memorial. We hope that other musicians will consider coming out to 21 Grand after the other bay area new music concerts that night...

Thu 4/24 8:30 PM 21 Grand [416 25th St @Broadway Near 19th Street BART Oakland]


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From 21grand at 21grand.org  Wed Apr 23 13:31:20 2008
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:31:20 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic]  remembering Toyoji with music this thursday
Message-ID: <C434EAA8.244CF%21grand@21grand.org>

The event can go until 11pm.

sl



From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com  Wed Apr 23 14:04:34 2008
From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:04:34 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Ride to memorial service?
Message-ID: <195111FC-667E-4DBE-B26E-BB0F14D3D40C@matthewgoodheart.com>

Any chance someone can give me a ride to the memorial service this  
afternoon? It would be so greatly appreciated; its better if I don 't  
drive for the moment. I live in North Berkeley off Marin. . . phone  
510-526-2717. . . thanks. . .

mg

Matthew Goodheart
composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
http://matthewgoodheart.com
http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart





From aliciabyer at gmail.com  Thu Apr 24 11:44:13 2008
From: aliciabyer at gmail.com (Alicia Byer)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 11:44:13 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] alan werner contact
Message-ID: <4810D4FD.1090804@gmail.com>

Hi, does anybody have Alan Werner's contact info? I'm looking for a 
cheapish piano mover asap and heard he moves pianos around here (from 
phillip g).. the yellow pages are full of guys that are $225 and up and 
I'm trying to cut costs here! please let me know if you know his number 
or anybody else that can shlep a baby grand!

Thanks,
Alicia

From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Thu Apr 24 16:44:30 2008
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:44:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] alan werner contact
In-Reply-To: <4810D4FD.1090804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <297187.45505.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Alicia, et al.
   
  Alan is a piano technician, meaning he works and tunes pianos, but he might be a good contact for someone to move it...
   
  Also, I'm pretty sure Philip Gelb has Alan's contact info...
  philip at philipgelb.com
  
PG

Alicia Byer <aliciabyer at gmail.com> wrote:
  Hi, does anybody have Alan Werner's contact info? I'm looking for a 
cheapish piano mover asap and heard he moves pianos around here (from 
phillip g).. the yellow pages are full of guys that are $225 and up and 
I'm trying to cut costs here! please let me know if you know his number 
or anybody else that can shlep a baby grand!

Thanks,
Alicia
_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


From ingalls at mills.edu  Thu Apr 24 17:36:10 2008
From: ingalls at mills.edu (Matt J. Ingalls)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 17:36:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] alan werner contact
In-Reply-To: <297187.45505.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <297187.45505.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0804241729030.16446@myfiles.mills.edu>


i tried moving a piano once.. 
unless you have no steps whatsoever $225 is going to be worth every penny!

-m

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008, Phillip Greenlief wrote:

> Alicia, et al.
>
>  Alan is a piano technician, meaning he works and tunes pianos, but he might be a good contact for someone to move it...
>
>  Also, I'm pretty sure Philip Gelb has Alan's contact info...
>  philip at philipgelb.com
>
> PG
>
> Alicia Byer <aliciabyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>  Hi, does anybody have Alan Werner's contact info? I'm looking for a
> cheapish piano mover asap and heard he moves pianos around here (from
> phillip g).. the yellow pages are full of guys that are $225 and up and
> I'm trying to cut costs here! please let me know if you know his number
> or anybody else that can shlep a baby grand!
>
> Thanks,
> Alicia
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From zjaffee at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 24 23:56:49 2008
From: zjaffee at yahoo.com (Zac Jaffee)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2008 23:56:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] piano moving
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1209096003.20514.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <351335.93187.qm@web51504.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

I used  Coyle's Moving & Storage (415) 752-8812 to move my piano and it cost like $125. It all has to do with the steps, but I had quite a few.

Zac  	 





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From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Fri Apr 25 09:50:28 2008
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:50:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] RIP Jimmy Giuffre
In-Reply-To: <4810D4FD.1090804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <822170.63277.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

dear bListers,
   
  More sad news.
   
  Jimmy Giuffre passed away today. I am sending a blurb from a jazz radio list...I'm sure there will be obits floating around in the coming days. 
   
  Fuck, I was just getting the idea of Toyoji's passing through my head and now this. I doubt if his influence on my playing is obvious, but I really admired Giuffre's work and put a good deal of study into it. Trio Putanesca worked on serveral of his tunes. He had a really unique place in jazz and a big influence on post jazz, bridging textures and sonorities from classical music into free improvisation. In addition to whatever historical importance he might have had, which can always be argued from a variety of perspectives, he always played so beautifully - with a lot of heart and passion.
   
  Signing off,
  PG
   
  ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

I'm sorry to report that I just heard from Juanita Giuffre that Jimmy
died of pneumonia and Parkinson's today (April 24) two days before what
would have been his 87th birthday.  I met them (via email) because they
listened regularly to my show and we discovered that Jimmy and I shared
our birthday, April 26.  We usually exchanged cards this time of year.

He was most famous for "Four Brothers" with Woody, or with Shorty
Rogers "Martians Go Home" or the Lighthouse All Stars, but fewer are
aware of the beautiful very personal music he made in the 70's, 80's
and 90s, much of it very free but in a thoughtful, non-aggressive kind
of way.  He was very important as a teacher as well, notably at the New
England Conservatory.   I'm spending the evening listening to some of
Jimmy's great trio music... right now the trio with Paul Bley and Steve
Swallow "Fly Away Little Bird".   I just read a beautiful article on
Jimmy written about 5 years ago by Rex Butters on allaboutjazz.com .

Jim Wilke

I was going to play a few things by Jimmy on my show tonight to
 celebrate
his birthday.
Now I will also play, "Jimmy Giuffre, A Jazz Portrait" a half hour
 radio
documentary I Produced about 10 years ago. It's Jimmy telling his own
 story,
in his own voice, complemented by the music he heard and made
 throughout his
long career.
He was still teaching at NE Conservatory at the time, coming in to
 Boston
from West Stockbridge, MA a few days a week. I also visited Jimmy and
Juanita at their beautiful stone mill house in Western Massachusetts to
complete the interview when Jimmy got too ill to travel into Boston.
 I'll
air this program tonight at 9pm, Eastern Time.

Rest in Peace, Jimmy

Steve Schwartz
Jazz from Studio Four
Friday, 8p-midnight
WGBH, 89.7FM, Boston
ww/wgbh/org/jazz
__________________




From 21grand at 21grand.org  Fri Apr 25 10:06:54 2008
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:06:54 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic]  The breathtakingly bad Phil Collins
Message-ID: <C4375DBE.24547%21grand@21grand.org>

Has announced he is retiring from music

http://www.nme.com/news/genesis/36215

sl



From jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com  Fri Apr 25 10:09:51 2008
From: jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com (Jacob Lindsay)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:09:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] RIP Jimmy Giuffre
In-Reply-To: <822170.63277.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <757043.10151.qm@web58001.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

This guy is huge, if only for those trio records w/
bley and swallow.  "Free Fall" (which is half trio and
half solo Bb clarinet) is one of the, and possible
THE, best Bb clarinet record(s) of all time.  He had
such a great unique tone, talk about warm, relaxed,
full but still edgy, angular and full of grit and
fire.  On Free Fall he pulls out all the stops.  Why
didn't he make more records like that?  Who knows. 
But it's really enough.



--- Phillip Greenlief <pgsaxo at pacbell.net> wrote:

> dear bListers,
>    
>   More sad news.
>    
>   Jimmy Giuffre passed away today. I am sending a
> blurb from a jazz radio list...I'm sure there will
> be obits floating around in the coming days. 
>    
>   Fuck, I was just getting the idea of Toyoji's
> passing through my head and now this. I doubt if his
> influence on my playing is obvious, but I really
> admired Giuffre's work and put a good deal of study
> into it. Trio Putanesca worked on serveral of his
> tunes. He had a really unique place in jazz and a
> big influence on post jazz, bridging textures and
> sonorities from classical music into free
> improvisation. In addition to whatever historical
> importance he might have had, which can always be
> argued from a variety of perspectives, he always
> played so beautifully - with a lot of heart and
> passion.
>    
>   Signing off,
>   PG
>    
>   ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> I'm sorry to report that I just heard from Juanita
> Giuffre that Jimmy
> died of pneumonia and Parkinson's today (April 24)
> two days before what
> would have been his 87th birthday.  I met them (via
> email) because they
> listened regularly to my show and we discovered that
> Jimmy and I shared
> our birthday, April 26.  We usually exchanged cards
> this time of year.
> 
> He was most famous for "Four Brothers" with Woody,
> or with Shorty
> Rogers "Martians Go Home" or the Lighthouse All
> Stars, but fewer are
> aware of the beautiful very personal music he made
> in the 70's, 80's
> and 90s, much of it very free but in a thoughtful,
> non-aggressive kind
> of way.  He was very important as a teacher as well,
> notably at the New
> England Conservatory.   I'm spending the evening
> listening to some of
> Jimmy's great trio music... right now the trio with
> Paul Bley and Steve
> Swallow "Fly Away Little Bird".   I just read a
> beautiful article on
> Jimmy written about 5 years ago by Rex Butters on
> allaboutjazz.com .
> 
> Jim Wilke
> 
> I was going to play a few things by Jimmy on my show
> tonight to
>  celebrate
> his birthday.
> Now I will also play, "Jimmy Giuffre, A Jazz
> Portrait" a half hour
>  radio
> documentary I Produced about 10 years ago. It's
> Jimmy telling his own
>  story,
> in his own voice, complemented by the music he heard
> and made
>  throughout his
> long career.
> He was still teaching at NE Conservatory at the
> time, coming in to
>  Boston
> from West Stockbridge, MA a few days a week. I also
> visited Jimmy and
> Juanita at their beautiful stone mill house in
> Western Massachusetts to
> complete the interview when Jimmy got too ill to
> travel into Boston.
>  I'll
> air this program tonight at 9pm, Eastern Time.
> 
> Rest in Peace, Jimmy
> 
> Steve Schwartz
> Jazz from Studio Four
> Friday, 8p-midnight
> WGBH, 89.7FM, Boston
> ww/wgbh/org/jazz
> __________________
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> 


Jacob Lindsay
http://www.bayimproviser.com/artistdetail.asp?artist_id=44


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From phil at philipgelb.com  Fri Apr 25 10:15:09 2008
From: phil at philipgelb.com (Philip Gelb)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:15:09 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] RIP Jimmy Giuffre
In-Reply-To: <757043.10151.qm@web58001.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <757043.10151.qm@web58001.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1E07B4FE-67C1-480E-8D6C-93591BB7B065@philipgelb.com>

those trio recordings are some of my favorites!!!!!
I hate the term, "ahead of its time" but in this case it is totally  
apropos

When i was touring with Joe McPhee, he told me some great Giuffre  
stories

phil

Philip Gelb
vegetarian chef
shakuhachi player, teacher
phil at philipgelb.com
http://philipgelb.com
http://myspace.com/inthemoodforfood
http://myspace.com/philipgelb

On Apr 25, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Jacob Lindsay wrote:

> This guy is huge, if only for those trio records w/
> bley and swallow.  "Free Fall" (which is half trio and
> half solo Bb clarinet) is one of the, and possible
> THE, best Bb clarinet record(s) of all time.  He had
> such a great unique tone, talk about warm, relaxed,
> full but still edgy, angular and full of grit and
> fire.  On Free Fall he pulls out all the stops.  Why
> didn't he make more records like that?  Who knows.
> But it's really enough.
>
>
>
> --- Phillip Greenlief <pgsaxo at pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>> dear bListers,
>>
>>   More sad news.
>>
>>   Jimmy Giuffre passed away today. I am sending a
>> blurb from a jazz radio list...I'm sure there will
>> be obits floating around in the coming days.
>>
>>   Fuck, I was just getting the idea of Toyoji's
>> passing through my head and now this. I doubt if his
>> influence on my playing is obvious, but I really
>> admired Giuffre's work and put a good deal of study
>> into it. Trio Putanesca worked on serveral of his
>> tunes. He had a really unique place in jazz and a
>> big influence on post jazz, bridging textures and
>> sonorities from classical music into free
>> improvisation. In addition to whatever historical
>> importance he might have had, which can always be
>> argued from a variety of perspectives, he always
>> played so beautifully - with a lot of heart and
>> passion.
>>
>>   Signing off,
>>   PG
>>
>>   ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>> I'm sorry to report that I just heard from Juanita
>> Giuffre that Jimmy
>> died of pneumonia and Parkinson's today (April 24)
>> two days before what
>> would have been his 87th birthday.  I met them (via
>> email) because they
>> listened regularly to my show and we discovered that
>> Jimmy and I shared
>> our birthday, April 26.  We usually exchanged cards
>> this time of year.
>>
>> He was most famous for "Four Brothers" with Woody,
>> or with Shorty
>> Rogers "Martians Go Home" or the Lighthouse All
>> Stars, but fewer are
>> aware of the beautiful very personal music he made
>> in the 70's, 80's
>> and 90s, much of it very free but in a thoughtful,
>> non-aggressive kind
>> of way.  He was very important as a teacher as well,
>> notably at the New
>> England Conservatory.   I'm spending the evening
>> listening to some of
>> Jimmy's great trio music... right now the trio with
>> Paul Bley and Steve
>> Swallow "Fly Away Little Bird".   I just read a
>> beautiful article on
>> Jimmy written about 5 years ago by Rex Butters on
>> allaboutjazz.com .
>>
>> Jim Wilke
>>
>> I was going to play a few things by Jimmy on my show
>> tonight to
>>  celebrate
>> his birthday.
>> Now I will also play, "Jimmy Giuffre, A Jazz
>> Portrait" a half hour
>>  radio
>> documentary I Produced about 10 years ago. It's
>> Jimmy telling his own
>>  story,
>> in his own voice, complemented by the music he heard
>> and made
>>  throughout his
>> long career.
>> He was still teaching at NE Conservatory at the
>> time, coming in to
>>  Boston
>> from West Stockbridge, MA a few days a week. I also
>> visited Jimmy and
>> Juanita at their beautiful stone mill house in
>> Western Massachusetts to
>> complete the interview when Jimmy got too ill to
>> travel into Boston.
>>  I'll
>> air this program tonight at 9pm, Eastern Time.
>>
>> Rest in Peace, Jimmy
>>
>> Steve Schwartz
>> Jazz from Studio Four
>> Friday, 8p-midnight
>> WGBH, 89.7FM, Boston
>> ww/wgbh/org/jazz
>> __________________
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>
>
>
> Jacob Lindsay
> http://www.bayimproviser.com/artistdetail.asp?artist_id=44
>
>
>        
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From slusser at pixar.com  Fri Apr 25 10:21:34 2008
From: slusser at pixar.com (David Slusser)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:21:34 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] remembering Toyoji with music this thursday
In-Reply-To: <800710.75935.qm@web50501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <800710.75935.qm@web50501.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4596B07A-8D14-44D0-918D-A3B79E81AC38@pixar.com>

On Apr 23, 2008, at 12:39 PM, John Ingle wrote:
> sincerely,
> John Ingle

Thank you, J-ingle.  It was a fitting tribute, and it felt really  
comforting to be in that
group sound.  Your throat-singing was also quite superb, and so  
reminiscent of the
didjeridoo.

From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Fri Apr 25 10:25:50 2008
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:25:50 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] The breathtakingly bad Phil Collins
In-Reply-To: <C4375DBE.24547%21grand@21grand.org>
References: <C4375DBE.24547%21grand@21grand.org>
Message-ID: <c70e517b0804251025p24756b99j1c249afb604f87df@mail.gmail.com>

No more Chrome Bone?

Here's a quote from his wikipedia entry. Did you know he was an avant-garde
musician?

Collins' record sales began to drop with the 1993 release of *Both
Sides<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Both_Sides>
*, a largely experimental album which, according to Collins, included songs
that "were becoming so personal, so private, I didn't want anyone else's
input".

On Fri, Apr 25, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org>
wrote:

> Has announced he is retiring from music
>
> http://www.nme.com/news/genesis/36215
>
> sl
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From slusser at pixar.com  Fri Apr 25 10:40:38 2008
From: slusser at pixar.com (David Slusser)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 10:40:38 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] RIP Jimmy Giuffre
In-Reply-To: <757043.10151.qm@web58001.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <757043.10151.qm@web58001.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000D828F-040B-44E8-83C0-94EBB578297E@pixar.com>

Definitely a hero who should not be overlooked.

I've been collecting his recordings for years, back to
1947.  He was a consummate big band bebop arranger
and Prez inspired tenor swingster who kept expanding
and exploring into the forefront of improvised music,
with a rich folk-form period along the way.  The trio
concert he did in SF with Konitz and Bley knocked me
out, and I got to be introduced to him and his wife,
Jaunita.  (She was a modern painter - and the beautiful
woman you see on one of George Russell's albums -
to whom she had been married before Giuffre.)  He's
inspiring in so many ways - check him out.

On Apr 25, 2008, at 10:09 AM, Jacob Lindsay wrote:

> This guy is huge, if only for those trio records w/
> bley and swallow.  "Free Fall" (which is half trio and
> half solo Bb clarinet) is one of the, and possible
> THE, best Bb clarinet record(s) of all time.  He had
> such a great unique tone, talk about warm, relaxed,
> full but still edgy, angular and full of grit and
> fire.  On Free Fall he pulls out all the stops.  Why
> didn't he make more records like that?  Who knows.
> But it's really enough.
>
>
>
> --- Phillip Greenlief <pgsaxo at pacbell.net> wrote:
>
>> dear bListers,
>>
>>   More sad news.
>>
>>   Jimmy Giuffre passed away today. I am sending a
>> blurb from a jazz radio list...I'm sure there will
>> be obits floating around in the coming days.
>>
>>   Fuck, I was just getting the idea of Toyoji's
>> passing through my head and now this. I doubt if his
>> influence on my playing is obvious, but I really
>> admired Giuffre's work and put a good deal of study
>> into it. Trio Putanesca worked on serveral of his
>> tunes. He had a really unique place in jazz and a
>> big influence on post jazz, bridging textures and
>> sonorities from classical music into free
>> improvisation. In addition to whatever historical
>> importance he might have had, which can always be
>> argued from a variety of perspectives, he always
>> played so beautifully - with a lot of heart and
>> passion.
>>
>>   Signing off,
>>   PG

From Damon at balancepointacoustics.com  Fri Apr 25 12:07:38 2008
From: Damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 12:07:38 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Jimmy Giuffre
Message-ID: <FF5B61F0-68DE-4B09-918E-2E3DDB36FC6E@balancepointacoustics.com>

He was a big favorite of mine. Jacob and I were both listening to his  
music for as long as we have been involved in improvised music. The  
double cd  reissue on hatology is incredible.

Damon Smith

http://www.balancepointacoustics.com
http://myspace.com/smithdamon
New solo project:
http://www.myspace.com/damonsmithsolo





From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Fri Apr 25 16:17:38 2008
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:17:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] RIP Jimmy Giuffre
In-Reply-To: <757043.10151.qm@web58001.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <567564.90378.qm@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

There's a couple of live recordings from that period that were recorded in Europe that are also exceptional.
   
  PG

Jacob Lindsay <jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com> wrote:
  This guy is huge, if only for those trio records w/
bley and swallow. "Free Fall" (which is half trio and
half solo Bb clarinet) is one of the, and possible
THE, best Bb clarinet record(s) of all time. He had
such a great unique tone, talk about warm, relaxed,
full but still edgy, angular and full of grit and
fire. On Free Fall he pulls out all the stops. Why
didn't he make more records like that? Who knows. 
But it's really enough.



--- Phillip Greenlief 
wrote:

> dear bListers,
> 
> More sad news.
> 
> Jimmy Giuffre passed away today. I am sending a
> blurb from a jazz radio list...I'm sure there will
> be obits floating around in the coming days. 
> 
> Fuck, I was just getting the idea of Toyoji's
> passing through my head and now this. I doubt if his
> influence on my playing is obvious, but I really
> admired Giuffre's work and put a good deal of study
> into it. Trio Putanesca worked on serveral of his
> tunes. He had a really unique place in jazz and a
> big influence on post jazz, bridging textures and
> sonorities from classical music into free
> improvisation. In addition to whatever historical
> importance he might have had, which can always be
> argued from a variety of perspectives, he always
> played so beautifully - with a lot of heart and
> passion.
> 
> Signing off,
> PG
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> I'm sorry to report that I just heard from Juanita
> Giuffre that Jimmy
> died of pneumonia and Parkinson's today (April 24)
> two days before what
> would have been his 87th birthday. I met them (via
> email) because they
> listened regularly to my show and we discovered that
> Jimmy and I shared
> our birthday, April 26. We usually exchanged cards
> this time of year.
> 
> He was most famous for "Four Brothers" with Woody,
> or with Shorty
> Rogers "Martians Go Home" or the Lighthouse All
> Stars, but fewer are
> aware of the beautiful very personal music he made
> in the 70's, 80's
> and 90s, much of it very free but in a thoughtful,
> non-aggressive kind
> of way. He was very important as a teacher as well,
> notably at the New
> England Conservatory. I'm spending the evening
> listening to some of
> Jimmy's great trio music... right now the trio with
> Paul Bley and Steve
> Swallow "Fly Away Little Bird". I just read a
> beautiful article on
> Jimmy written about 5 years ago by Rex Butters on
> allaboutjazz.com .
> 
> Jim Wilke
> 
> I was going to play a few things by Jimmy on my show
> tonight to
> celebrate
> his birthday.
> Now I will also play, "Jimmy Giuffre, A Jazz
> Portrait" a half hour
> radio
> documentary I Produced about 10 years ago. It's
> Jimmy telling his own
> story,
> in his own voice, complemented by the music he heard
> and made
> throughout his
> long career.
> He was still teaching at NE Conservatory at the
> time, coming in to
> Boston
> from West Stockbridge, MA a few days a week. I also
> visited Jimmy and
> Juanita at their beautiful stone mill house in
> Western Massachusetts to
> complete the interview when Jimmy got too ill to
> travel into Boston.
> I'll
> air this program tonight at 9pm, Eastern Time.
> 
> Rest in Peace, Jimmy
> 
> Steve Schwartz
> Jazz from Studio Four
> Friday, 8p-midnight
> WGBH, 89.7FM, Boston
> ww/wgbh/org/jazz
> __________________
> 
> 
> 
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From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Fri Apr 25 16:23:04 2008
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:23:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] RIP Jimmy Giuffre
In-Reply-To: <567564.90378.qm@web81403.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Here's Ben Ratliff's obit on Giuffre....
   
   
   
  ARTS / MUSIC | April 25, 2008
Jimmy Giuffre, Jazz Musician, Is Dead at 86
By BEN RATLIFF
In his 50-year journey through jazz, the adventurous clarinetist,
 composer and arranger went from writing the Woody Herman anthem "Four
 Brothers" to creating striking experimental orchestral works.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/25/arts/music/25cnd-giuffre.html?ex=1209787200&en=30e8cbefaa1420da&ei=5070&emc=eta1




Phillip Greenlief <pgsaxo at pacbell.net> wrote:
  There's a couple of live recordings from that period that were recorded in Europe that are also exceptional.

PG

Jacob Lindsay wrote:
This guy is huge, if only for those trio records w/
bley and swallow. "Free Fall" (which is half trio and
half solo Bb clarinet) is one of the, and possible
THE, best Bb clarinet record(s) of all time. He had
such a great unique tone, talk about warm, relaxed,
full but still edgy, angular and full of grit and
fire. On Free Fall he pulls out all the stops. Why
didn't he make more records like that? Who knows. 
But it's really enough.



--- Phillip Greenlief 
wrote:

> dear bListers,
> 
> More sad news.
> 
> Jimmy Giuffre passed away today. I am sending a
> blurb from a jazz radio list...I'm sure there will
> be obits floating around in the coming days. 
> 
> Fuck, I was just getting the idea of Toyoji's
> passing through my head and now this. I doubt if his
> influence on my playing is obvious, but I really
> admired Giuffre's work and put a good deal of study
> into it. Trio Putanesca worked on serveral of his
> tunes. He had a really unique place in jazz and a
> big influence on post jazz, bridging textures and
> sonorities from classical music into free
> improvisation. In addition to whatever historical
> importance he might have had, which can always be
> argued from a variety of perspectives, he always
> played so beautifully - with a lot of heart and
> passion.
> 
> Signing off,
> PG
> 
> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> 
> I'm sorry to report that I just heard from Juanita
> Giuffre that Jimmy
> died of pneumonia and Parkinson's today (April 24)
> two days before what
> would have been his 87th birthday. I met them (via
> email) because they
> listened regularly to my show and we discovered that
> Jimmy and I shared
> our birthday, April 26. We usually exchanged cards
> this time of year.
> 
> He was most famous for "Four Brothers" with Woody,
> or with Shorty
> Rogers "Martians Go Home" or the Lighthouse All
> Stars, but fewer are
> aware of the beautiful very personal music he made
> in the 70's, 80's
> and 90s, much of it very free but in a thoughtful,
> non-aggressive kind
> of way. He was very important as a teacher as well,
> notably at the New
> England Conservatory. I'm spending the evening
> listening to some of
> Jimmy's great trio music... right now the trio with
> Paul Bley and Steve
> Swallow "Fly Away Little Bird". I just read a
> beautiful article on
> Jimmy written about 5 years ago by Rex Butters on
> allaboutjazz.com .
> 
> Jim Wilke
> 
> I was going to play a few things by Jimmy on my show
> tonight to
> celebrate
> his