From ava.mendoza at gmail.com  Fri Aug  1 12:59:32 2008
From: ava.mendoza at gmail.com (Ava Mendoza)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:59:32 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
Message-ID: <317505170808011259o27de8f7eq257822f9977ada0a@mail.gmail.com>

does anyone out there know a good alternative to paypal, or a way of
getting around the fees they charge you if you receive payments more
than a couple times a month?

thanks,
ava

From weaselw at juno.com  Fri Aug  1 13:11:09 2008
From: weaselw at juno.com (weasel walter)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:11:09 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
Message-ID: <20080801.131112.2952.88.weaselw@juno.com>

a checking account is probably about it my friend! everything in this
life has a price . . . 

ww
 
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:59:32 -0700 "Ava Mendoza" <ava.mendoza at gmail.com>
writes:
> does anyone out there know a good alternative to paypal, or a way of
> getting around the fees they charge you if you receive payments 
> more
> than a couple times a month?
> 
> thanks,
> ava
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> 
> 
 
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From ava.mendoza at gmail.com  Fri Aug  1 13:41:45 2008
From: ava.mendoza at gmail.com (Ava Mendoza)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:41:45 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
In-Reply-To: <20080801.131112.2952.88.weaselw@juno.com>
References: <20080801.131112.2952.88.weaselw@juno.com>
Message-ID: <317505170808011341q171f8dbeu3a4803b186c39389@mail.gmail.com>

wait is there some way to receive payments online for cds and such
direct to your checking account? if so i'm in.

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 1:11 PM, weasel walter <weaselw at juno.com> wrote:
> a checking account is probably about it my friend! everything in this
> life has a price . . .
>
> ww
>
> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:59:32 -0700 "Ava Mendoza" <ava.mendoza at gmail.com>
> writes:
>> does anyone out there know a good alternative to paypal, or a way of
>> getting around the fees they charge you if you receive payments
>> more
>> than a couple times a month?
>>
>> thanks,
>> ava
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>
>>
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> Save hundreds on a Patent - Click here.
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oEoUMjn0MsF55cZMYzE1wquAbakfyNekAc7XDi0Hs8GhJZE/
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>



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From 21grand at 21grand.org  Fri Aug  1 13:46:37 2008
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:46:37 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic]  alternative to paypal fees?
Message-ID: <C4B8C43D.2635E%21grand@21grand.org>

Pretty much any service that handles credit cards or electronic transactions
from bank accounts is going to charge a fee, as the credit card companies
and banks charge said fees to the services that process said transactions,
and thus the services pass them along to the user, though they increase the
fees/rates the credit card companies and banks charge them. Mark it up, pass
it along - one of the essential tenets of capitalism.

There are other web-based merchant account providers one can use in place of
paypal, but they regularly charge even higher fees, hence the appeal of
paypal. Some are slower in terms of transferring funds to a bank account.
One thing common to all of them is the higher number of transactions or
dollars you do, the lower you can negotiate the fees.

Paypal is actually probably the most effective method of handling electronic
payments for individuals selling stuff that aren't doing tons of sales.

sl



From 21grand at 21grand.org  Fri Aug  1 13:49:52 2008
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:49:52 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic]  alternative to paypal fees?
Message-ID: <C4B8C500.26362%21grand@21grand.org>

Uh, that would be a wire transfer ...fees for that usually start at $10,
depending on the bank and whether there's foreign currency involved.

sl

Ava asked:
wait is there some way to receive payments online for cds and such
direct to your checking account? if so i'm in.



From ava.mendoza at gmail.com  Fri Aug  1 13:55:46 2008
From: ava.mendoza at gmail.com (Ava Mendoza)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:55:46 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
In-Reply-To: <C4B8C500.26362%21grand@21grand.org>
References: <C4B8C500.26362%21grand@21grand.org>
Message-ID: <317505170808011355m293eb8efp41210213259abecc@mail.gmail.com>

oh ok. sheeit. thank you!

On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 1:49 PM, Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> wrote:
> Uh, that would be a wire transfer ...fees for that usually start at $10,
> depending on the bank and whether there's foreign currency involved.
>
> sl
>
> Ava asked:
> wait is there some way to receive payments online for cds and such
> direct to your checking account? if so i'm in.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>



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From damon at balancepointacoustics.com  Fri Aug  1 14:00:44 2008
From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:00:44 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
In-Reply-To: <317505170808011341q171f8dbeu3a4803b186c39389@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20080801.131112.2952.88.weaselw@juno.com>
	<317505170808011341q171f8dbeu3a4803b186c39389@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5804D1BC-5547-4BA9-819E-4E69E7AD18B5@balancepointacoustics.com>

I always think of paypal as a way to get money where you couldn't  
before. The fees are pretty small and they do provide a service. Just  
include some overhead in your price.  I charge $15 pp for cds through  
paypal, it seems to even out in the end.



On Aug 1, 2008, at 1:41 PM, Ava Mendoza wrote:

> wait is there some way to receive payments online for cds and such
> direct to your checking account? if so i'm in.
>
> On Fri, Aug 1, 2008 at 1:11 PM, weasel walter <weaselw at juno.com>  
> wrote:
>> a checking account is probably about it my friend! everything in this
>> life has a price . . .
>>
>> ww
>>
>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:59:32 -0700 "Ava Mendoza"  
>> <ava.mendoza at gmail.com>
>> writes:
>>> does anyone out there know a good alternative to paypal, or a way of
>>> getting around the fees they charge you if you receive payments
>>> more
>>> than a couple times a month?
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> ava
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> Save hundreds on a Patent - Click here.
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/ 
>> Ioyw6i3oEoUMjn0MsF55cZMYzE1wquAbakfyNekAc7XDi0Hs8GhJZE/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>
>
>
>
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From weaselw at juno.com  Fri Aug  1 14:02:10 2008
From: weaselw at juno.com (weasel walter)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:02:10 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
Message-ID: <20080801.140228.2952.89.weaselw@juno.com>

no, they send you a check in the mail!

ww
 
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:41:45 -0700 "Ava Mendoza" <ava.mendoza at gmail.com>
writes:
> wait is there some way to receive payments online for cds and such
> direct to your checking account? if so i'm in.
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From 21grand at 21grand.org  Fri Aug  1 14:04:37 2008
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:04:37 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic]  alternative to paypal fees?
Message-ID: <C4B8C875.26366%21grand@21grand.org>

If you're a member of Costco, they have a fairly reasonably priced online
credit card processing service.  If you're not a member, the prices are
higher ... It looks like the fees are a little lower than paypal for a
normal account.  One of my bookkeeping clients uses it - but not the online
version, they have a credit card terminal, which has lower rates than the
online service.

Info here:
http://www.novainfo.com/costco/index.asp

Sl



From 21grand at 21grand.org  Fri Aug  1 14:07:21 2008
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:07:21 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic]  alternative to paypal fees?
Message-ID: <C4B8C919.26368%21grand@21grand.org>

That could bounce ...and result in at least a $5 fee from your bank!

Sl

Weasel the denier of the existence of a free lunch wrote:

no, they send you a check in the mail!

ww
 
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:41:45 -0700 "Ava Mendoza" <ava.mendoza at gmail.com>
writes:
> wait is there some way to receive payments online for cds and such
> direct to your checking account? if so i'm in.



From aliciabyer at gmail.com  Fri Aug  1 14:25:16 2008
From: aliciabyer at gmail.com (Alicia Byer)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:25:16 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
In-Reply-To: <317505170808011259o27de8f7eq257822f9977ada0a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <317505170808011259o27de8f7eq257822f9977ada0a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <48937F3C.8090304@gmail.com>

you could try creating two paypal accounts if you have something like a 
checking and a savings account at your bank, and link one paypal acct. 
to each.. then at least you would get twice the payments per month 
without fees.

alicia

Ava Mendoza wrote:
> does anyone out there know a good alternative to paypal, or a way of
> getting around the fees they charge you if you receive payments more
> than a couple times a month?
>
> thanks,
> ava
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>   


From praemedia at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  1 14:43:43 2008
From: praemedia at yahoo.com (Praemedia)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:43:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
In-Reply-To: <48937F3C.8090304@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <936495.79794.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

fees are per transaction, so that doesn't solve anyone's problems.


--- On Fri, 8/1/08, Alicia Byer <aliciabyer at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: Alicia Byer <aliciabyer at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
> To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
> Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 2:25 PM
> you could try creating two paypal accounts if you have
> something like a 
> checking and a savings account at your bank, and link one
> paypal acct. 
> to each.. then at least you would get twice the payments
> per month 
> without fees.
> 
> alicia
> 
> Ava Mendoza wrote:
> > does anyone out there know a good alternative to
> paypal, or a way of
> > getting around the fees they charge you if you receive
> payments more
> > than a couple times a month?
> >
> > thanks,
> > ava
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >
> >   
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


      

From praemedia at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  1 14:44:12 2008
From: praemedia at yahoo.com (Praemedia)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:44:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
In-Reply-To: <20080801.140228.2952.89.weaselw@juno.com>
Message-ID: <907279.29006.qm@web51609.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

and if they are overseas?


--- On Fri, 8/1/08, weasel walter <weaselw at juno.com> wrote:

> From: weasel walter <weaselw at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
> To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> Cc: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 2:02 PM
> no, they send you a check in the mail!
> 
> ww
>  
> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:41:45 -0700 "Ava Mendoza"
> <ava.mendoza at gmail.com>
> writes:
> > wait is there some way to receive payments online for
> cds and such
> > direct to your checking account? if so i'm in.
> ____________________________________________________________
> Orlando Vacations - Click Here!
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nK7vDsr62EPvxaHouqYoZWU6SeVFAsodlGnMQSl2dEtaP4C/
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


      

From weaselw at juno.com  Fri Aug  1 14:49:25 2008
From: weaselw at juno.com (weasel walter)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:49:25 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
Message-ID: <20080801.144926.2952.102.weaselw@juno.com>

fuck 'em.

ww
 
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Praemedia <praemedia at yahoo.com>
writes:
> and if they are overseas?
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 8/1/08, weasel walter <weaselw at juno.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: weasel walter <weaselw at juno.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
> > To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> > Cc: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> > Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 2:02 PM
> > no, they send you a check in the mail!
> > 
> > ww
> >  
> > On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:41:45 -0700 "Ava Mendoza"
> > <ava.mendoza at gmail.com>
> > writes:
> > > wait is there some way to receive payments online for
> > cds and such
> > > direct to your checking account? if so i'm in.
> > ____________________________________________________________
> > Orlando Vacations - Click Here!
> > 
>
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nK7vDsr62EPvxaHouqYoZW
U6SeVFAsodlGnMQSl2dEtaP4C/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> 
> 
>       
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> 
> 
 

From weaselw at juno.com  Fri Aug  1 14:51:22 2008
From: weaselw at juno.com (weasel walter)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:51:22 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
Message-ID: <20080801.145123.2952.103.weaselw@juno.com>

ha ha ha. seriously folks . . .

i'm not crying about paypal fees. like damon says, that's money you prob.
wouldn't be getting any other way. he's correct. 

like sarah said, if you're a wise seller, you pass the fee along to the
buyer in the item cost. if you don't, you only have yourself to blame!

ww
 
On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:44:12 -0700 (PDT) Praemedia <praemedia at yahoo.com>
writes:
> and if they are overseas?
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 8/1/08, weasel walter <weaselw at juno.com> wrote:
> 
> > From: weasel walter <weaselw at juno.com>
> > Subject: Re: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
> > To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> > Cc: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> > Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 2:02 PM
> > no, they send you a check in the mail!
> > 
> > ww
> >  
> > On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:41:45 -0700 "Ava Mendoza"
> > <ava.mendoza at gmail.com>
> > writes:
> > > wait is there some way to receive payments online for
> > cds and such
> > > direct to your checking account? if so i'm in.
> > ____________________________________________________________
> > Orlando Vacations - Click Here!
> > 
>
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nK7vDsr62EPvxaHouqYoZW
U6SeVFAsodlGnMQSl2dEtaP4C/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> 
> 
>       
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> 
> 
 

From aliciabyer at gmail.com  Fri Aug  1 14:51:26 2008
From: aliciabyer at gmail.com (Alicia Byer)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 14:51:26 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
In-Reply-To: <936495.79794.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <936495.79794.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4893855E.5060809@gmail.com>

apparently they don't charge you for the first couple of transactions a 
month. I was thinking if she just wants to sell CDs from a website or 
something she could maybe squeeze 6 or so transactions a month out of 
two accounts without fees.

alicia

Praemedia wrote:
> fees are per transaction, so that doesn't solve anyone's problems.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Alicia Byer <aliciabyer at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>   
>> From: Alicia Byer <aliciabyer at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
>> To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
>> Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 2:25 PM
>> you could try creating two paypal accounts if you have
>> something like a 
>> checking and a savings account at your bank, and link one
>> paypal acct. 
>> to each.. then at least you would get twice the payments
>> per month 
>> without fees.
>>
>> alicia
>>
>> Ava Mendoza wrote:
>>     
>>> does anyone out there know a good alternative to
>>>       
>> paypal, or a way of
>>     
>>> getting around the fees they charge you if you receive
>>>       
>> payments more
>>     
>>> than a couple times a month?
>>>
>>> thanks,
>>> ava
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>     
>
>
>       
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>   


From ava.mendoza at gmail.com  Fri Aug  1 14:55:08 2008
From: ava.mendoza at gmail.com (Ava Mendoza)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:55:08 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
In-Reply-To: <4893855E.5060809@gmail.com>
References: <936495.79794.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4893855E.5060809@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <317505170808011455w61a80fa0i86cb89f7947c1b28@mail.gmail.com>

if it's a business account you don't get any free transactions a
month... i used to have a personal account but somehow it worked
better to switch to a business account, i think cause you can withdraw
funds more easily that way... now i've forgotten why.. but yeah no
freebies.

On 8/1/08, Alicia Byer <aliciabyer at gmail.com> wrote:
> apparently they don't charge you for the first couple of transactions a
> month. I was thinking if she just wants to sell CDs from a website or
> something she could maybe squeeze 6 or so transactions a month out of
> two accounts without fees.
>
> alicia
>
> Praemedia wrote:
> > fees are per transaction, so that doesn't solve anyone's problems.
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Alicia Byer <aliciabyer at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> From: Alicia Byer <aliciabyer at gmail.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
> >> To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
> >> Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 2:25 PM
> >> you could try creating two paypal accounts if you have
> >> something like a
> >> checking and a savings account at your bank, and link one
> >> paypal acct.
> >> to each.. then at least you would get twice the payments
> >> per month
> >> without fees.
> >>
> >> alicia
> >>
> >> Ava Mendoza wrote:
> >>
> >>> does anyone out there know a good alternative to
> >>>
> >> paypal, or a way of
> >>
> >>> getting around the fees they charge you if you receive
> >>>
> >> payments more
> >>
> >>> than a couple times a month?
> >>>
> >>> thanks,
> >>> ava
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> >>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> >>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> >> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> >> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>


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From jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  1 15:10:43 2008
From: jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com (Jacob Lindsay)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:10:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
In-Reply-To: <317505170808011341q171f8dbeu3a4803b186c39389@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <625201.99357.qm@web58009.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Barter

Jacob Lindsay
http://www.bayimproviser.com/jacoblindsay


--- On Fri, 8/1/08, Ava Mendoza <ava.mendoza at gmail.com> wrote:

>> > On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 12:59:32 -0700 "Ava
> Mendoza" <ava.mendoza at gmail.com>
> > writes:
> >> does anyone out there know a good alternative to
> paypal, or a way of
> >> getting around the fees they charge you if you
> receive payments
> >> more
> >> than a couple times a month?
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >> ava
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> >> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> >> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> ____________________________________________________________
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> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >
> 
> 
> 
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From damon at balancepointacoustics.com  Fri Aug  1 15:33:22 2008
From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:33:22 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
In-Reply-To: <907279.29006.qm@web51609.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <907279.29006.qm@web51609.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0D123C49-8BAC-4539-A540-A3CFB26E7A00@balancepointacoustics.com>

It about $5.50 now, so then it is still more than what a distributor  
pays.
On Aug 1, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Praemedia wrote:

> and if they are overseas?
>
>
> --- On Fri, 8/1/08, weasel walter <weaselw at juno.com> wrote:
>
>> From: weasel walter <weaselw at juno.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
>> To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
>> Cc: newmusic at music.mills.edu
>> Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 2:02 PM
>> no, they send you a check in the mail!
>>
>> ww
>>
>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:41:45 -0700 "Ava Mendoza"
>> <ava.mendoza at gmail.com>
>> writes:
>>> wait is there some way to receive payments online for
>> cds and such
>>> direct to your checking account? if so i'm in.
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> Orlando Vacations - Click Here!
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/ 
>> Ioyw6i3nK7vDsr62EPvxaHouqYoZWU6SeVFAsodlGnMQSl2dEtaP4C/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

Damon Smith

http://www.balancepointacoustics.com
http://myspace.com/smithdamon
New solo project:
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From praemedia at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  1 15:56:25 2008
From: praemedia at yahoo.com (Praemedia)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:56:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
In-Reply-To: <0D123C49-8BAC-4539-A540-A3CFB26E7A00@balancepointacoustics.com>
Message-ID: <967333.29313.qm@web51601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

???


--- On Fri, 8/1/08, Damon Smith <damon at balancepointacoustics.com> wrote:

> From: Damon Smith <damon at balancepointacoustics.com>
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
> To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
> Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 3:33 PM
> It about $5.50 now, so then it is still more than what a
> distributor  
> pays.
> On Aug 1, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Praemedia wrote:
> 
> > and if they are overseas?
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 8/1/08, weasel walter
> <weaselw at juno.com> wrote:
> >
> >> From: weasel walter <weaselw at juno.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal
> fees?
> >> To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> >> Cc: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> >> Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 2:02 PM
> >> no, they send you a check in the mail!
> >>
> >> ww
> >>
> >> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:41:45 -0700 "Ava
> Mendoza"
> >> <ava.mendoza at gmail.com>
> >> writes:
> >>> wait is there some way to receive payments
> online for
> >> cds and such
> >>> direct to your checking account? if so i'm
> in.



      

From damon at balancepointacoustics.com  Fri Aug  1 16:18:38 2008
From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:18:38 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
In-Reply-To: <967333.29313.qm@web51601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <967333.29313.qm@web51601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <85BC2F01-C49E-4A59-A89D-A4AAE01EC49F@balancepointacoustics.com>

Shipping is about $5.50, so I get around $9 still more than what you  
get from a distributor.
Also, we should keep in mind CDs do more than make us money, they is  
what gets you work in the end.

On Aug 1, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Praemedia wrote:

> ???
>
>
> --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Damon Smith <damon at balancepointacoustics.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> From: Damon Smith <damon at balancepointacoustics.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
>> To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
>> Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 3:33 PM
>> It about $5.50 now, so then it is still more than what a
>> distributor
>> pays.
>> On Aug 1, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Praemedia wrote:
>>
>>> and if they are overseas?
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 8/1/08, weasel walter
>> <weaselw at juno.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: weasel walter <weaselw at juno.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal
>> fees?
>>>> To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
>>>> Cc: newmusic at music.mills.edu
>>>> Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 2:02 PM
>>>> no, they send you a check in the mail!
>>>>
>>>> ww
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:41:45 -0700 "Ava
>> Mendoza"
>>>> <ava.mendoza at gmail.com>
>>>> writes:
>>>>> wait is there some way to receive payments
>> online for
>>>> cds and such
>>>>> direct to your checking account? if so i'm
>> in.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

Damon Smith

http://www.balancepointacoustics.com
http://myspace.com/smithdamon
New solo project:
http://www.myspace.com/damonsmithsolo





From praemedia at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  1 16:20:18 2008
From: praemedia at yahoo.com (Praemedia)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:20:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
In-Reply-To: <85BC2F01-C49E-4A59-A89D-A4AAE01EC49F@balancepointacoustics.com>
Message-ID: <360965.25679.qm@web51610.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

That wasn't what I was talking about. I was asking about checks from people overseas. Making a point that paypal is better for that sort of thing, etc.


--- On Fri, 8/1/08, Damon Smith <damon at balancepointacoustics.com> wrote:

> From: Damon Smith <damon at balancepointacoustics.com>
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
> To: praemedia at yahoo.com, "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
> Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 4:18 PM
> Shipping is about $5.50, so I get around $9 still more than
> what you  
> get from a distributor.
> Also, we should keep in mind CDs do more than make us
> money, they is  
> what gets you work in the end.
> 
> On Aug 1, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Praemedia wrote:
> 
> > ???
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Damon Smith
> <damon at balancepointacoustics.com>  
> > wrote:
> >
> >> From: Damon Smith
> <damon at balancepointacoustics.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal
> fees?
> >> To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion
> Group" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
> >> Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 3:33 PM
> >> It about $5.50 now, so then it is still more than
> what a
> >> distributor
> >> pays.
> >> On Aug 1, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Praemedia wrote:
> >>
> >>> and if they are overseas?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --- On Fri, 8/1/08, weasel walter
> >> <weaselw at juno.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> From: weasel walter
> <weaselw at juno.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] alternative to
> paypal
> >> fees?
> >>>> To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> >>>> Cc: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> >>>> Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 2:02 PM
> >>>> no, they send you a check in the mail!
> >>>>
> >>>> ww
> >>>>
> >>>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:41:45 -0700
> "Ava
> >> Mendoza"
> >>>> <ava.mendoza at gmail.com>
> >>>> writes:
> >>>>> wait is there some way to receive
> payments
> >> online for
> >>>> cds and such
> >>>>> direct to your checking account? if so
> i'm
> >> in.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> 
> Damon Smith
> 
> http://www.balancepointacoustics.com
> http://myspace.com/smithdamon
> New solo project:
> http://www.myspace.com/damonsmithsolo


      

From damon at balancepointacoustics.com  Fri Aug  1 16:28:20 2008
From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 16:28:20 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
In-Reply-To: <360965.25679.qm@web51610.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <360965.25679.qm@web51610.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F3DD94D9-9D3D-4679-9B82-DC7A885D54C3@balancepointacoustics.com>

Oh. Paypal is great. I love it more than my own family. Before paypal  
or before I had it (and it was more of an ebay specific thing) I used  
Groove yard records, he charged me $2 per cd. That was fair.
Paypal provides an extremely useful service.  I also use it for my  
poster company and I have done internet bass lessons and been paid  
that way.

On Aug 1, 2008, at 4:20 PM, Praemedia wrote:

> That wasn't what I was talking about. I was asking about checks  
> from people overseas. Making a point that paypal is better for that  
> sort of thing, etc.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Damon Smith <damon at balancepointacoustics.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> From: Damon Smith <damon at balancepointacoustics.com>
>> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal fees?
>> To: praemedia at yahoo.com, "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group"  
>> <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
>> Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 4:18 PM
>> Shipping is about $5.50, so I get around $9 still more than
>> what you
>> get from a distributor.
>> Also, we should keep in mind CDs do more than make us
>> money, they is
>> what gets you work in the end.
>>
>> On Aug 1, 2008, at 3:56 PM, Praemedia wrote:
>>
>>> ???
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On Fri, 8/1/08, Damon Smith
>> <damon at balancepointacoustics.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> From: Damon Smith
>> <damon at balancepointacoustics.com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] alternative to paypal
>> fees?
>>>> To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion
>> Group" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
>>>> Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 3:33 PM
>>>> It about $5.50 now, so then it is still more than
>> what a
>>>> distributor
>>>> pays.
>>>> On Aug 1, 2008, at 2:44 PM, Praemedia wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> and if they are overseas?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Fri, 8/1/08, weasel walter
>>>> <weaselw at juno.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> From: weasel walter
>> <weaselw at juno.com>
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] alternative to
>> paypal
>>>> fees?
>>>>>> To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
>>>>>> Cc: newmusic at music.mills.edu
>>>>>> Date: Friday, August 1, 2008, 2:02 PM
>>>>>> no, they send you a check in the mail!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ww
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:41:45 -0700
>> "Ava
>>>> Mendoza"
>>>>>> <ava.mendoza at gmail.com>
>>>>>> writes:
>>>>>>> wait is there some way to receive
>> payments
>>>> online for
>>>>>> cds and such
>>>>>>> direct to your checking account? if so
>> i'm
>>>> in.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>
>> Damon Smith
>>
>> http://www.balancepointacoustics.com
>> http://myspace.com/smithdamon
>> New solo project:
>> http://www.myspace.com/damonsmithsolo
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

Damon Smith

http://www.balancepointacoustics.com
http://myspace.com/smithdamon
New solo project:
http://www.myspace.com/damonsmithsolo





From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Fri Aug  1 18:04:26 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 20:04:26 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] Sam Adato's store gets hit
Message-ID: <C4B900AA.15B28%Gino.Robair@penton.com>

Just learned that a car demolished Sam Adato's drum shop today. Thankfully,
no one was in the store when the car entered.

Pix of the devastation:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29115970 at N02/

Blech.




From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Sat Aug  2 09:43:07 2008
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:43:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Sam Adato's store gets hit
In-Reply-To: <C4B900AA.15B28%Gino.Robair@penton.com>
Message-ID: <90884.11209.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

OMG - what a drag! such cruel photos...
  Sam is a great guy, I love that shop.
  I hope he's back in business soon.
   
  PG

"Robair, Gino" <Gino.Robair at penton.com> wrote:
  Just learned that a car demolished Sam Adato's drum shop today. Thankfully,
no one was in the store when the car entered.

Pix of the devastation:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/29115970 at N02/

Blech.



_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


From ava.mendoza at gmail.com  Sat Aug  2 13:28:53 2008
From: ava.mendoza at gmail.com (Ava Mendoza)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:28:53 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] S-VHS tapes sold locally?
Message-ID: <317505170808021328o7829364duf97b65a91a8f5531@mail.gmail.com>

anyone know where to get S-VHS tapes in the bay area? i found them on
the internet but would rather buy them around here... thanks!

From miltnerunit at gmail.com  Sat Aug  2 16:28:14 2008
From: miltnerunit at gmail.com (kristin miltner)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 16:28:14 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] S-VHS tapes sold locally?
In-Reply-To: <317505170808021328o7829364duf97b65a91a8f5531@mail.gmail.com>
References: <317505170808021328o7829364duf97b65a91a8f5531@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ef1ad92c0808021628g8487963v1cfc2ed653c074a9@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.videotransfercenter.com/

try this place, if they don't have them, they'll probably know where you can
get them,

k

On Sat, Aug 2, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Ava Mendoza <ava.mendoza at gmail.com> wrote:

> anyone know where to get S-VHS tapes in the bay area? i found them on
> the internet but would rather buy them around here... thanks!
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>



-- 
kristin miltner
audio professional
www.myspace.com/miltnerunit

From 21grand at 21grand.org  Sat Aug  2 16:49:25 2008
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 16:49:25 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic]  S-VHS tapes sold locally?
Message-ID: <C4BA4095.263A2%21grand@21grand.org>

Adolph Gassers' in downtown SF, East Bay Media center in Berkeley, I think
Long's on 51st/Broadway used to carry them, not sure if they still do, as I
haven't had use for them for several years, ditto Best Buy.

sl



From dmichalak at sbcglobal.net  Sat Aug  2 16:52:49 2008
From: dmichalak at sbcglobal.net (dmichalak)
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 16:52:49 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] S-VHS tapes sold locally?
References: <C4BA4095.263A2%21grand@21grand.org>
Message-ID: <000a01c8f4fa$def09810$6501a8c0@eyefull01>

Best Buy & Circuit City have 'em. D.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sarah - 21 Grand" <21grand at 21grand.org>
To: <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2008 4:49 PM
Subject: [NewMusic] S-VHS tapes sold locally?


> Adolph Gassers' in downtown SF, East Bay Media center in Berkeley, I think
> Long's on 51st/Broadway used to carry them, not sure if they still do, as 
> I
> haven't had use for them for several years, ditto Best Buy.
>
> sl
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>
> -- 
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From electric.tokyo at gmail.com  Sun Aug  3 08:06:57 2008
From: electric.tokyo at gmail.com (Travis Johns)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 11:06:57 -0400
Subject: [NewMusic] ::vslkast11::
Message-ID: <d3165c060808030806q5583b136lf2439e3fce3b49a4@mail.gmail.com>

saluto,

presenteth i does installation number 11 of the vslkast cycle - this
one comprised of field recordings conducted at kent falls state park
in western connecticut, with all processing done pretty much in situ.
its pretty heavy, all said. not to mention that after this, theres
just one more to go before said comp gets taken multichannel, and
possibly on the road fr an all night show or 2 - as always, will keep
ya posted.


anyhoo, feel free to take a listen and as always,
questions/comments/suggestions, they be appreciated.


link = feed://think-tankmedia. net/trav/vslkast. xml

be back in sf all permanent-like in less than three weeks. excited, i am.

From michaelz at zoka.com  Sun Aug  3 10:50:53 2008
From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 10:50:53 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] S-VHS tapes sold locally?
In-Reply-To: <317505170808021328o7829364duf97b65a91a8f5531@mail.gmail.com>
References: <317505170808021328o7829364duf97b65a91a8f5531@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0624081bc4bb9fa2bb74@[192.168.0.3]>

On 8/2/08, Ava Mendoza wrote:

>anyone know where to get S-VHS tapes in the bay area? i found them on
>the internet but would rather buy them around here... thanks!

You might try Leo's Pro Audio <http://www.leosaudio.com/>.
They used to sell S-VHS blank tapes for use in the Alesis ADAT 
recorders, so they may still carry these.

They'll probably charge more than Internet prices, but the quality of 
the tape will be good.

MZ


--------------michaelz at zoka.com---
             Michael Zelner
---Oakland CA USA------------------

From 21grand at 21grand.org  Sun Aug  3 12:07:19 2008
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 12:07:19 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic]  alternative to paypal fees?
Message-ID: <C4BB4FF7.263BF%21grand@21grand.org>

And other news on the paypal front:

This was passed as part of the recent housing/mortgage crash bail out bill

Merchant reporting: Starting in 2011, the bank or other company that
processes a merchant's debit and credit card transactions must send the
Internal Revenue Service a form disclosing the dollar amount of payments the
merchant received on those cards each year. The merchant would get a copy of
the form, which would be similar to the 1099 forms companies use to report
other payments to the IRS.
The same requirement applies to companies that process online payments, such
as PayPal and Google Checkout. The rule does not apply to merchants who make
200 or fewer online sales totaling $20,000 or less in one year.
The exception for online sales was originally about $600, but eBay's PayPal
lobbied to raise it. Otherwise, "if you sold an expensive mountain bike on
eBay," it might have been reported to the IRS, says PayPal spokesman Michael
Oldenberg. He says PayPal is satisfied with the final rule.
The law is designed to crack down on merchants who are under-reporting their
revenues. It is expected to raise about $10 billion over 10 years.



From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Sun Aug  3 22:15:54 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 00:15:54 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] PA speaker needed for Tuesday evening
Message-ID: <C65FA6D01E469549B210B278C2EC8BD31DD3A40E93@MAILSRV2.pme.penton.com>

Hey,
Does somebody here have a PA monitor that I can borrow for a show Tuesday night at Temescal?
Hopefully somewhere in the East Bay...
Thanks!
ginorobair

From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Sun Aug  3 23:29:49 2008
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 23:29:49 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] PA speaker needed for Tuesday evening
In-Reply-To: <C65FA6D01E469549B210B278C2EC8BD31DD3A40E93@MAILSRV2.pme.penton.com>
References: <C65FA6D01E469549B210B278C2EC8BD31DD3A40E93@MAILSRV2.pme.penton.com>
Message-ID: <c70e517b0808032329n5fdc30b6q9baa101e5a4d5c8b@mail.gmail.com>

Could someone add the show on the bayimproviser calendar?

I don't have a PA anymore to lend, but I will have my own amplification.

Matt

On Sun, Aug 3, 2008 at 10:15 PM, Robair, Gino <Gino.Robair at penton.com> wrote:
> Hey,
> Does somebody here have a PA monitor that I can borrow for a show Tuesday night at Temescal?
> Hopefully somewhere in the East Bay...
> Thanks!
> ginorobair
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Mon Aug  4 09:21:29 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:21:29 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] Discovery Channel Explores Manufacturing of Ludwig Drums
Message-ID: <C4BC7A99.15BB3%Gino.Robair@penton.com>

Thought some of you might enjoy seeing this:

<<Discovery Channel Explores Manufacturing of Ludwig Drums

The second season of ?Some Assembly Required? debuts on the Discovery
Channel this Thursday, August 7th, with a whole new season of episodes that
will give you a new appreciation of everyday items and the people who build
them.  Join hosts Brian Unger and Lou Bloomfield as they explore the
manufacturing process of Ludwig drums on the August 14th episode.

In this episode, the show travels to Monroe, North Carolina where the
legendary USA-crafted Ludwig drums are manufactured for percussionists
around the world. The highlights of this visit, include host Brian Unger
taking part in building, finishing, and assembling drum shells. "Ludwig's
process for crafting drum shells has been around for nearly a century," says
Jim Catalano, concert percussion director of marketing, "so it is exciting
for us to reveal the care and refinement that go into each drum on the
show."
            Some items covered in the episode will include wood selection
and resonance, shell formation and edges, finishing and assembly, and
timpani casting and hammering.  Scenes of a drum duet between Jim Catalano
and Kevin Packard are said to be included. Please check the Discovery
Channel website for air dates, and check your local listings for the channel
and air time. >>



From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Mon Aug  4 11:00:12 2008
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:00:12 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] 2 other "community" lists
Message-ID: <c70e517b0808041100m2e22e4cbu7667f45da59238cb@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone, just a reminder of some community-related lists I've built.

http://launch.groups.yahoo.com/group/exp-music-invite/
The "Experimental Music Invite" list is a list in which all of the
postings are invitations (aka "calls for musicians/proposals/works")
for specific events. For example, Tom posted the Skronkathon invite
there, and Moe sometimes posts there for Moe!kestra! shows. There are
no discussion posts or "gig spams", which means it's a fairly quiet
list. Honestly, most of the posts that make it to that list also make
it to this one.

http://groups.google.com/group/games-and-weird-music
This is the board games group, which tries to meet on sundays (but
isn't always successful). We play a variety of games, including
Settlers of Catan, Scabble, Munchkin, Apples to Apples, Boggle,
Balderdash, etc. Generally it's an opportunity to hang with newmusic
peeps without being interrupted by music concerts.

If you're interested in joining either of these groups, please follow
the link(s) to join. If you have any trouble, just let me know, and
papa Matt take good care of you.


Meanwhile, at the Luggage Store we're looking into restarting the
'company night' thing occasionally again. (Except I have an aversion
to calling it 'company night' because I don't want to suggest a
specific format or mode of improvisation.) Right now, it looks like
the next opportunity to do so may be in November. Once I get a date,
we'll announce it, and you can sign up then.

Meanwhile, there's a Droneshift scheduled on Thurs, October 30th.
10-15 Musicians will be scheduled in overlapping sections to create a
continuous drone piece. As in the experimental music genre "Drone".
That means no riffing or skronking. Let me know if you want to
participate.

Matt Davignon

From ava.mendoza at gmail.com  Mon Aug  4 11:15:48 2008
From: ava.mendoza at gmail.com (Ava Mendoza)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:15:48 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: Selling My Bass Flute
In-Reply-To: <B257BBE7-C822-4BF8-ADB2-45DD06A818F6@plateautel.net>
References: <0FF76E6A-A484-425F-8034-ADB608419965@plateautel.net>
	<B257BBE7-C822-4BF8-ADB2-45DD06A818F6@plateautel.net>
Message-ID: <317505170808041115k4fa74a8cv2c6b2b3033a3fde8@mail.gmail.com>

dino/j.a. deane is selling what looks to a guitar player like a good bass flute.


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: dino <dino at plateautel.net>
Date: Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 11:04 AM
Subject: Selling My Bass Flute
To: ava mendoza <ava.mendoza at gmail.com>


>
> Yes it's true I am selling my bass flute.
>
> It's been appraised and found to be comparable
>
> to a Jupiter DiMedici in terms of build quality &
>
> playability. I've used it on at least 8 CD recordings.
>
> A steal at $1,200.00. Please pass this on to any
>
> wind players you know who might be interested.
>
> It's also listed on the Albuquerque Craigslist
>
> http://albuquerque.craigslist.org/msg/782552643.html
>
> or they can e-mail me or call me (505-421-2808)
>
> thank you and sorry for the mass e-mail
>
> dino
>






-- 
www.myspace.com/avamendoza
www.myspace.com/mutesocialite
http://www.bayimproviser.com/artistdetail.asp?artist_id12

From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Tue Aug  5 10:55:06 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:55:06 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] Early Stereo Recordings Restored
Message-ID: <C4BDE20A.15D28%Gino.Robair@penton.com>

Get out yer headphones...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7537782.stm


From michaelz at zoka.com  Tue Aug  5 12:12:35 2008
From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:12:35 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Early Stereo Recordings Restored
In-Reply-To: <C4BDE20A.15D28%Gino.Robair@penton.com>
References: <C4BDE20A.15D28%Gino.Robair@penton.com>
Message-ID: <p06240809c4be4fedd344@[192.168.0.3]>

On 8/5/08, Robair, Gino wrote:

>Get out yer headphones...
>
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/7537782.stm

I did, but the BBC's Flash player seems to put the audio back into mono.

I tell ya, this Internet thing, it has no immediate commercial potential.

MZ



--------------michaelz at zoka.com---
             Michael Zelner
---Oakland CA USA------------------

From 21grand at 21grand.org  Tue Aug  5 20:03:53 2008
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:03:53 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Discovery Channel Explores Manufacturing of Ludwig Drums
Message-ID: <C4BE62A9.26469%21grand@21grand.org>

The okapi is actually more like a giraffe, and unlike a gazelle or anteater.
It is not to be confused with the agouti, which is a rodent.

So now we know.

sl



From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Thu Aug  7 21:45:40 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 23:45:40 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] Lou Teicher, of Ferrante & Teicher,
 Popular Piano Duo of '60s, Dies at 83
Message-ID: <C65FA6D01E469549B210B278C2EC8BD31DD3A40EA7@MAILSRV2.pme.penton.com>

http://tinyurl.com/5u3pdq

From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Thu Aug  7 21:49:49 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 23:49:49 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] John Allen Strange memorial info
Message-ID: <C65FA6D01E469549B210B278C2EC8BD31DD3A40EA8@MAILSRV2.pme.penton.com>

>From Patricia Strange. Some on this list may be interested in attending...

A Celebration of Life
In The Memory Of John Allen Strange

4:00 pm Saturday, September 13th 2008
Mexican Heritage Plaza
1700 Alum Rock Ave
San Jose, Ca 95116

The Strange family would like to invite you to a celebration of life
in the memory of Allen Strange. We will be gathering at the San Jose
Mexican Heritage Plaza. This facility seems to provide the perfect
atmosphere for Allen's remembrance.Formal events were not a favorite
of Allen's so this will be casual.
Tie-dyed shirts, shorts and sandals are perfectly acceptable!

There will be an open mic for people to speak, sing or play a tune in
Allen's memory. Appetizers will be available, Mexican of course, as
well as beer and wine. This is an open event for anyone who wishes to
join us. If you know someone that may be interested, please feel free
to pass along the information.

We have set up a website at www.allenstrange.com.
Please RSVP at Allen's blog at www.allenstrange.blogspot.com

Please feel free to email Pat at: patstrange1 at gmail.com

Pat, Robin and Erin

From saftigv at gmail.com  Fri Aug  8 11:05:37 2008
From: saftigv at gmail.com (Saftig vonHimmlischbaden)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 11:05:37 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] George Lewis 'A Power Stronger Than Itself
Message-ID: <2157c4ed0808081105o49cb328aj5ee8ff43f7e8c13f@mail.gmail.com>

This is a beautiful, brilliant, and devastating book!  At the individual and
human level it presents the reader with scores of musicians, both known and
unheralded, in warm and interesting detail -- showing from whence a great
portion of important contemporary music comes.  At the sociological,
economic, and political level it is a subtle but total deconstruction of
the institutionalized and moneyed system of ubiquitous control on the
music.  In this respect it left me (a wanna-be believer but often skeptical
lover of sound) gasping.  I do not wish to believe it is this bad . . . but
it is.  The book gives detailed examples of the art/music funding game that,
guess what?, does not support music or musicians but, rather, rigid,
corporate hierarchy, so-called consultants, and music industry profit.
What's a musician to do?  To play the game or not to play the game?  That is
the question.  Well, I expect the answer for the individual lies somewhere
along a continuum.  But I would like to stress that it is my belief that it
is the individual who counts and who creates and performs the music -- not
the members of the Board.  I think Mr. Lewis more than adequately makes this
point, with the corollary that it is the musician, the artist, who gets
shafted every time (unless, of course, she/he is a very clever and
manipulative business person as well).  It is a huge, wide-ranging, deeply
researched and loving book.  You ought to read it.  You might also check out
Jacque Attali, *Noise - The Political Economy of Music*.  Peace, Saftig von
Himmelischbaden

From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Fri Aug  8 12:40:24 2008
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 12:40:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] George Lewis 'A Power Stronger Than Itself
In-Reply-To: <2157c4ed0808081105o49cb328aj5ee8ff43f7e8c13f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <305034.52364.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks for the post, G. I love you.
  I have to get my hands on this book.
   
  Leaving for parts unknown, see you all soon.
PG


Saftig vonHimmlischbaden <saftigv at gmail.com> wrote:
  This is a beautiful, brilliant, and devastating book! At the individual and
human level it presents the reader with scores of musicians, both known and
unheralded, in warm and interesting detail -- showing from whence a great
portion of important contemporary music comes. At the sociological,
economic, and political level it is a subtle but total deconstruction of
the institutionalized and moneyed system of ubiquitous control on the
music. In this respect it left me (a wanna-be believer but often skeptical
lover of sound) gasping. I do not wish to believe it is this bad . . . but
it is. The book gives detailed examples of the art/music funding game that,
guess what?, does not support music or musicians but, rather, rigid,
corporate hierarchy, so-called consultants, and music industry profit.
What's a musician to do? To play the game or not to play the game? That is
the question. Well, I expect the answer for the individual lies somewhere
along a continuum. But I would like to stress that it is my belief that it
is the individual who counts and who creates and performs the music -- not
the members of the Board. I think Mr. Lewis more than adequately makes this
point, with the corollary that it is the musician, the artist, who gets
shafted every time (unless, of course, she/he is a very clever and
manipulative business person as well). It is a huge, wide-ranging, deeply
researched and loving book. You ought to read it. You might also check out
Jacque Attali, *Noise - The Political Economy of Music*. Peace, Saftig von
Himmelischbaden
_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com  Sat Aug  9 22:13:53 2008
From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 22:13:53 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] George Lewis 'A Power Stronger Than Itself
In-Reply-To: <2157c4ed0808081105o49cb328aj5ee8ff43f7e8c13f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2157c4ed0808081105o49cb328aj5ee8ff43f7e8c13f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F9C2BD56-155E-458F-B30F-E30163CF1EAA@matthewgoodheart.com>

Not to many comments on this. . . I'm only about 1/3 the way through,  
but even at this point I have to say is fantastic- and demonstrates  
the importance of movements telling their own history.

In an odd counterpoint, I also recently worked my way through the Ken  
Burns "Jazz" series (since I had never seen the whole thing in its  
entirety); "Power" is such a wonderful antidote to all that neo-facist  
fundamentalism. . . and lays bare so many of the unspoken racialized/ 
class conscious assumptions about corporate and institutionally  
approved narratives of music history. . .



On Aug 8, 2008, at 11:05 AM, Saftig vonHimmlischbaden wrote:

> This is a beautiful, brilliant, and devastating book!  At the  
> individual and
> human level it presents the reader with scores of musicians, both  
> known and
> unheralded, in warm and interesting detail -- showing from whence a  
> great
> portion of important contemporary music comes.  At the sociological,
> economic, and political level it is a subtle but total  
> deconstruction of
> the institutionalized and moneyed system of ubiquitous control on the
> music.  In this respect it left me (a wanna-be believer but often  
> skeptical
> lover of sound) gasping.  I do not wish to believe it is this  
> bad . . . but
> it is.  The book gives detailed examples of the art/music funding  
> game that,
> guess what?, does not support music or musicians but, rather, rigid,
> corporate hierarchy, so-called consultants, and music industry profit.
> What's a musician to do?  To play the game or not to play the game?   
> That is
> the question.  Well, I expect the answer for the individual lies  
> somewhere
> along a continuum.  But I would like to stress that it is my belief  
> that it
> is the individual who counts and who creates and performs the music  
> -- not
> the members of the Board.  I think Mr. Lewis more than adequately  
> makes this
> point, with the corollary that it is the musician, the artist, who  
> gets
> shafted every time (unless, of course, she/he is a very clever and
> manipulative business person as well).  It is a huge, wide-ranging,  
> deeply
> researched and loving book.  You ought to read it.  You might also  
> check out
> Jacque Attali, *Noise - The Political Economy of Music*.  Peace,  
> Saftig von
> Himmelischbaden
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

Matthew Goodheart
composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
http://matthewgoodheart.com
http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart





From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Mon Aug 11 00:03:48 2008
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:03:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Issac Hayes RIP
In-Reply-To: <C4B3B49D.261D6%21grand@21grand.org>
Message-ID: <6184.27230.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Isaac Hayes, Memphis soul legend, dead at 66
By Hank Dudding  
Originally published 03:02 p.m., August 10, 2008 
Updated  03:28 p.m., August 10, 2008 
 
Legendary soul music performer Isaac Hayes died this afternoon after
he was found unconscious in his Shelby County home.  A family member found the entertainer next to a running treadmill at about 1 p.m. Sunday, said Steve Shular, spokesman for the Shelby County Sheriff's Office.

  Hayes was rushed to Baptist Memorial Hospital, where he was  pronounced dead 
at 2:10 p.m. Hayes' wife, their 2-year-old son and another family member had gone
to the grocery store around noon, Shular said. When they returned, they found Hayes 
unresponsive. 
   
  Rescue workers responded to a 911 call, and they performed CPR at Hayes' home at 9280 Riveredge in the eastern part of Shelby County, near Forest Hill and Walnut Grove. 

  The Sheriff's Office is conducting a routine investigation, said Shular, but 
nothing leads us to believe this is foul play.
  
_http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/aug/10/isaac-hayes-memphis-soul-leg
end-dead-66/?printer=1/_ 
(http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2008/aug/10/isaac-hayes-memphis-soul-legend-dead-66/?printer=1/) 

From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com  Mon Aug 11 02:11:31 2008
From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 02:11:31 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Issac Hayes RIP
In-Reply-To: <6184.27230.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <6184.27230.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <79CFFD50-5C95-49C1-9DEC-BB2F80AD4550@matthewgoodheart.com>

Sad, but. . .

> age 66. . .  2-year-old son

. . . wow, talk about an OT 8s  "resurgence of power and native  
abilities for the being himself" . . .




Matthew Goodheart
composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
http://matthewgoodheart.com
http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart





From letucepry at yahoo.com  Mon Aug 11 11:06:18 2008
From: letucepry at yahoo.com (Ron Lettuce)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:06:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Issac Hayes RIP
Message-ID: <595407.98704.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Yes, this preservation of virility clearly this must be the cause of some ~~BODY THETANS~~ and not the result of years of exercise by someone so fanatical about exercise that they kept a?TREADMILL in their?MASTER BEDROOM?(at age 66)...
lettuce



----- Original Message ----
From: Matthew Goodheart <matthew at matthewgoodheart.com>
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 2:11:31 AM
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Issac Hayes RIP

Sad, but. . .

> age 66. . .? 2-year-old son

. . . wow, talk about an OT 8s? "resurgence of power and native? 
abilities for the being himself" . . .




Matthew Goodheart
composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
http://matthewgoodheart.com
http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart




_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

From electric.tokyo at gmail.com  Mon Aug 11 11:17:19 2008
From: electric.tokyo at gmail.com (Travis Johns)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:17:19 -0400
Subject: [NewMusic] Issac Hayes RIP
In-Reply-To: <595407.98704.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <595407.98704.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <d3165c060808111117g9330de2h3cf84fbe045a6a10@mail.gmail.com>

you mean you don't???

On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 2:06 PM, Ron Lettuce <letucepry at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yes, this preservation of virility clearly this must be the cause of some ~~BODY THETANS~~ and not the result of years of exercise by someone so fanatical about exercise that they kept a TREADMILL in their MASTER BEDROOM (at age 66)...
> lettuce
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Matthew Goodheart <matthew at matthewgoodheart.com>
> To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
> Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 2:11:31 AM
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Issac Hayes RIP
>
> Sad, but. . .
>
>> age 66. . .  2-year-old son
>
> . . . wow, talk about an OT 8s  "resurgence of power and native
> abilities for the being himself" . . .
>
>
>
>
> Matthew Goodheart
> composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
> matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
> http://matthewgoodheart.com
> http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From td at pixar.com  Mon Aug 11 23:14:12 2008
From: td at pixar.com (Tom Duff)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:14:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Issac Hayes RIP
In-Reply-To: <6184.27230.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <6184.27230.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0808112215560.2659@marvin.dynamic.pixar.com>

On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, Phillip Greenlief wrote:

> Isaac Hayes, Memphis soul legend, dead at 66

If you've got a copy of Otis Redding's "Try a Little Tenderness", spin it
& listen to Hayes's tasty Hammond organ (& the hi-hat lick in the
breakdown that he later borrowed [from himself -- Redding's Tenderness is
a Hayes arrangement] for the Shaft theme.)  I believe the equally tasty
piano is played by Booker T Jones.

There's a $0.99 mp3 on Amazon.  Get the 3:20 "Album version", not the 3:59
single, which is substantially different.

-- 
Tom Duff.  panic: out of swap space

From slusser at pixar.com  Tue Aug 12 10:05:35 2008
From: slusser at pixar.com (David Slusser)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:05:35 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Issac Hayes RIP
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0808112215560.2659@marvin.dynamic.pixar.com>
References: <6184.27230.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0808112215560.2659@marvin.dynamic.pixar.com>
Message-ID: <89904061-C899-40DA-98E9-F5795D25DB78@pixar.com>

On Aug 11, 2008, at 11:14 PM, Tom Duff wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, Phillip Greenlief wrote:
>
>> Isaac Hayes, Memphis soul legend, dead at 66
>
> If you've got a copy of Otis Redding's "Try a Little Tenderness",  
> spin it
> & listen to Hayes's tasty Hammond organ (& the hi-hat lick in the
> breakdown that he later borrowed [from himself -- Redding's  
> Tenderness is
> a Hayes arrangement] for the Shaft theme.)  I believe the equally  
> tasty
> piano is played by Booker T Jones.
>
> There's a $0.99 mp3 on Amazon.  Get the 3:20 "Album version", not  
> the 3:59
> single, which is substantially different.

Listen to the Stax/Volt Revue Live in Paris version of same for a  
real jolt of Redding.

From matt at sfsound.org  Tue Aug 12 11:15:07 2008
From: matt at sfsound.org (matt)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:15:07 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] 60s are alive (review of sfSound)
References: <743DBE19-0B57-4A1E-A8D9-BE2E78EDEB32@sfsound.org>
Message-ID: <4103CF8F-828B-47B6-ABA5-EA87F1F80005@sfsound.org>




http://www.sfcv.org/2008/08/05/the-sixties-are-alive/




m@



From michaelz at zoka.com  Tue Aug 12 12:02:18 2008
From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:02:18 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Issac Hayes RIP
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0808112215560.2659@marvin.dynamic.pixar.com>
References: <6184.27230.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0808112215560.2659@marvin.dynamic.pixar.com>
Message-ID: <p06240822c4c779b598a8@[192.168.0.3]>

On 8/11/08, Tom Duff wrote:

>On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, Phillip Greenlief wrote:
>
>>  Isaac Hayes, Memphis soul legend, dead at 66
>
>If you've got a copy of Otis Redding's "Try a Little Tenderness", spin it
>& listen to Hayes's tasty Hammond organ (& the hi-hat lick in the
>breakdown that he later borrowed [from himself -- Redding's Tenderness is
>a Hayes arrangement] for the Shaft theme.)  I believe the equally tasty
>piano is played by Booker T Jones.

There's also his classic cover version of By The Time I Get To 
Phoenix (with the extended intro rap):

<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MMRTahbQSw>

MZ

--------------michaelz at zoka.com---
             Michael Zelner
---Oakland CA USA------------------

From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Tue Aug 12 18:12:48 2008
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:12:48 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Wedding band spam?
Message-ID: <c70e517b0808121812t494e5do82693e7bd6d24474@mail.gmail.com>

I keep getting this message, which appears to simultaneously be a
spam, and an invitation to play at someone's wedding. It appears to be
written in the same version of English as those Nigerian 419 scams
(Nigerian-rish?) and declines to specify which state we live in.

Is anyone else getting these?




---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: williams james
Subject: WILL YOU BE AVAILABLE?

--
Hi,Glad to inform you that , There would be a Wedding Ceremony of my
beloved sister (Michelle), coming up on the 13th of September 2008
which would be held in within the state, but the location is yet to
announce by the party planner, so we would need a musician/band player
e.t.c on that day , we will want to know if you will be available to
render us your valuable service for that date, if so , we would need
you for the  service, People in Attendance  would be between 150/200.

From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com  Tue Aug 12 18:52:32 2008
From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:52:32 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Wedding band spam?
In-Reply-To: <c70e517b0808121812t494e5do82693e7bd6d24474@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c70e517b0808121812t494e5do82693e7bd6d24474@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59B512EA-3A12-449C-819C-825A3ED2438E@matthewgoodheart.com>

Hmmm. . . to make it more realistic, they should have said "We can't  
pay very much, but this would be great exposure for you. . . "


On Aug 12, 2008, at 6:12 PM, Matt Davignon wrote:

> I keep getting this message, which appears to simultaneously be a
> spam, and an invitation to play at someone's wedding. It appears to be
> written in the same version of English as those Nigerian 419 scams
> (Nigerian-rish?) and declines to specify which state we live in.
>
> Is anyone else getting these?
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: williams james
> Subject: WILL YOU BE AVAILABLE?
>
> --
> Hi,Glad to inform you that , There would be a Wedding Ceremony of my
> beloved sister (Michelle), coming up on the 13th of September 2008
> which would be held in within the state, but the location is yet to
> announce by the party planner, so we would need a musician/band player
> e.t.c on that day , we will want to know if you will be available to
> render us your valuable service for that date, if so , we would need
> you for the  service, People in Attendance  would be between 150/200.
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

Matthew Goodheart
composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
http://matthewgoodheart.com
http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart





From 21grand at 21grand.org  Tue Aug 12 19:01:40 2008
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:01:40 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic]  Wedding band spam?
Message-ID: <C4C78E94.26699%21grand@21grand.org>

To make it absolutely ludicrous, they could have said: We want your
performance at this wedding to be special. Musicians are responsible for
getting the word out about this wedding. This wedding gets absolutely no
foot traffic. Flyers, myspace, street teams, we expect musicians to get at
least 50 attendees to come to the wedding. We require that musicians not
play any other local weddings within two weeks of their appearance at this
wedding. If you do not respect these simple requirements we have of you, you
will probably not be asked to perform at our wedding again.

sl

Matt G responded to Matt D:
Hmmm. . . to make it more realistic, they should have said "We can't
pay very much, but this would be great exposure for you. . . "


On Aug 12, 2008, at 6:12 PM, Matt Davignon wrote:

> I keep getting this message, which appears to simultaneously be a
> spam, and an invitation to play at someone's wedding. It appears to be
> written in the same version of English as those Nigerian 419 scams
> (Nigerian-rish?) and declines to specify which state we live in.
>
> Is anyone else getting these?
>
>
>
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: williams james
> Subject: WILL YOU BE AVAILABLE?
>
> --
> Hi,Glad to inform you that , There would be a Wedding Ceremony of my
> beloved sister (Michelle), coming up on the 13th of September 2008
> which would be held in within the state, but the location is yet to
> announce by the party planner, so we would need a musician/band player
> e.t.c on that day , we will want to know if you will be available to
> render us your valuable service for that date, if so , we would need
> you for the  service, People in Attendance  would be between 150/200.



From jfheule at gmail.com  Wed Aug 13 10:39:13 2008
From: jfheule at gmail.com (jacob felix heule)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:39:13 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] tonight: Heule+Nishi, tomorrow: Sissy Spacek
Message-ID: <9c5cfa860808131039n520a9615x14a6db70dbc574ea@mail.gmail.com>

tonight, wednesday 8/13

Kanoko Nishi: koto
Jacob Felix Heule: drum set

@ Tilden Regional Park, Berkeley, CA
(I really don't know specifically where. You'll probably need to call
me. 262-707-9426)

~ 6:30pm - sundown (two 45 min sets has been typical)

http://heule.us/bio.html

---

TOMORROW, THURSDAY 8/14
@ 21 Grand, Oakland
9:00pm

SISSY SPACEK BIG BAND
George Chen - Guitar
Vice Cooler - Drums
Paul Costuros - Woodwinds
Chris Dixon - Drums
Tony Dryer - Double Bass
Jacob Heule - Drums
Loachfillet - Percussion
Kanoko Nishi - Koto
Corydon Ronnau - Guitar
Amanda Warner - Bass
Kim West - Woodwinds
John Wiese - Electronics
Gerritt Wittmer - Electronics

(two 35-min sets)

---

let me know if you want to be removed from my spam list. i will feel
no sadness or anger.

From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com  Wed Aug 13 12:18:22 2008
From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:18:22 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] USB audio card recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <C4C78E94.26699%21grand@21grand.org>
References: <C4C78E94.26699%21grand@21grand.org>
Message-ID: <519A62FA-513A-4C83-B3CF-B2C3A9CAF9F6@matthewgoodheart.com>

Hi Folks-

A friend of mine asked me about USB sound cards for his PC laptop. He  
just wants something that sounds decent for listening on headphones,  
recording is not important. Any recommendations?

thanks
mg


Matthew Goodheart
composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
http://matthewgoodheart.com
http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart





From letucepry at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 14 04:42:48 2008
From: letucepry at yahoo.com (Ron Lettuce)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 04:42:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] USB audio card recommendations?
Message-ID: <188692.10206.qm@web54301.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

mg,
USB is inherently unreliable for Audio. Partially due to the control of data transfer. It will be rediculously sensitive to system/boad combinations (so only people who have the exact combination of usb hardware/computer will be able to tell you what to expect). IEEE 1394 (Fire Wire) was designed for this sort of traffic (although not available on many systems). 
My report on USB is, it's LOUSY...one laptop works ~ok~, one laptop doesn't (even though it has a faster processor), and that's just for USB MIDI (same software, same USB hardware, same program)...Much of this comes from the two lead concept, USB is designed with 4 leads two leads supply the external device with 5 V power, the other two provide data transfer + and -. This means that there is only 1 signal to transfer your 44,100 Hz signal, Traffic is "Tight" and timing must be controlled by one end or the other (or both...read usb spec)...so what happens when that signal fails???.
A safer bet would be with a PCMCIA (which I have found out is being replaced by ExpressCard) or ExpressCard, which has multiple data transfer connections. This will be much closer to a hardware board on a PC. Although you will always be restricted by manufacturer/product.
lettuce
----- Original Message ----
From: Matthew Goodheart <matthew at matthewgoodheart.com>
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2008 12:18:22 PM
Subject: [NewMusic] USB audio card recommendations?

Hi Folks-

A friend of mine asked me about USB sound cards for his PC laptop. He? 
just wants something that sounds decent for listening on headphones,? 
recording is not important. Any recommendations?

thanks
mg


Matthew Goodheart
composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
http://matthewgoodheart.com
http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart




_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

From electric.tokyo at gmail.com  Thu Aug 14 05:38:07 2008
From: electric.tokyo at gmail.com (Travis Johns)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 08:38:07 -0400
Subject: [NewMusic] van?
Message-ID: <d3165c060808140538k12db7279o67a8ade4a1b77bbf@mail.gmail.com>

hallo y saluto:

hey, does anyone in the studio audience have or have access to a van
that i might be able to borrow for a few hours on the 23rd of this
fine, glorious month? need it to translocate from a handful of storage
niches in the east bay over to my new digs in sf. ala time, we'd be
looking at one, two trips tops. in exchange, i'd totally be down for
tossing gas/food/kudos/mixtapes in yr general direction - totally
negotiable.

anyhoo, drop a line if you'd be willing to help and i guess further
arrangements be made from there. and yes, i am aware of such places
called "uhaul" and the like, but considering that a.) i'd rather toss
coin towards the local community and not a cold, heartless
organization and b.) said date is 2 days before allza heepies head out
to the playa with most of the region's rental fleet loaded with
day-glo and artbikes, yah, thought i'd ping the masses.

so, uh, ping.

t.

From magsatellite at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 14 12:16:25 2008
From: magsatellite at yahoo.com (J. Segel)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:16:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] NewMusic Digest, Vol 28, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1218686404.29552.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <80062.12241.qm@web45207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>

> Hi Folks-
> 
> A friend of mine asked me about USB sound cards for his PC
> laptop. He  
> just wants something that sounds decent for listening on
> headphones,  
> recording is not important. Any recommendations?


somewhere along the line, something i bought came with a tiny usb thing the size of a flash drive, made by turtle beach. it is just a headphone out, also doubles as optical out i think.
http://www.turtlebeach.com/products/micro/home.aspx




MAGNETIC --- Jonathan Segel 
magsatellite-yahoo(.)com <---> jsegel-magneticmotorworks(.)com
http://www.MagneticMotorworks.com




      


From td at pixar.com  Thu Aug 14 19:54:40 2008
From: td at pixar.com (Tom Duff)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:54:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Barlow, Russolo mp3s
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0808141946440.21237@marvin.dynamic.pixar.com>


I just found an mp3 of Clarence Barlow's Coluotobsisletmesi (Herbert
Henck, pf -- I believe this is the only human-played recording) at
http://web.mac.com/andrs1/Site/Clarence_Barlow.html

Sweet.

The same page has a bunch of other Barlow mp3s, including a midi
pianosampler version of Coluotobsisletmesi (notable mainly because human
performances usually leave out a lot of notes.)

In the same neighborhood, a small collection of Luigi Russolo mp3s that I
hadn't heard before:  http://web.mac.com/andrs1/Site/Luigi_Russolo.html

-- 
Tom Duff.  Collisions in MD4 can now be found with pencil and paper.

From miltnerunit at gmail.com  Thu Aug 14 20:08:42 2008
From: miltnerunit at gmail.com (kristin miltner)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:08:42 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Barlow, Russolo mp3s
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0808141946440.21237@marvin.dynamic.pixar.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0808141946440.21237@marvin.dynamic.pixar.com>
Message-ID: <ef1ad92c0808142008i4b0a9901jed784f32b3a9f86d@mail.gmail.com>

out of these listed I've only heard the Chorale (Russolo) -- I'm kind of
loving the L'aviatore Dro Op.33....pretty great stuff.

k

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 7:54 PM, Tom Duff <td at pixar.com> wrote:

>
> I just found an mp3 of Clarence Barlow's Coluotobsisletmesi (Herbert
> Henck, pf -- I believe this is the only human-played recording) at
> http://web.mac.com/andrs1/Site/Clarence_Barlow.html
>
> Sweet.
>
> The same page has a bunch of other Barlow mp3s, including a midi
> pianosampler version of Coluotobsisletmesi (notable mainly because human
> performances usually leave out a lot of notes.)
>
> In the same neighborhood, a small collection of Luigi Russolo mp3s that I
> hadn't heard before:  http://web.mac.com/andrs1/Site/Luigi_Russolo.html
>
> --
> Tom Duff.  Collisions in MD4 can now be found with pencil and paper.
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>



-- 
kristin miltner
audio professional
www.myspace.com/miltnerunit

From jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 15 10:01:49 2008
From: jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com (Jacob Lindsay)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:01:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] new xenakis midi recording
Message-ID: <877727.40789.qm@web58009.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

Does anyone know about this new recording on NEOS of Xenakis piano music performed by Midi?  On the package it says (unplayable by human hands) but I have some recordings of folks playing some of those pieces.....as far as I know they are human and have hands.  What's up with that?

Also, there is a new recording of Kraanerg on Mode boasting a "restored" tape.  Anyone heard that?  Is it significantly better than previous recordings?

Jacob Lindsay
http://www.bayimproviser.com/jacoblindsay


      

From jfheule at gmail.com  Fri Aug 15 12:13:56 2008
From: jfheule at gmail.com (jacob felix heule)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:13:56 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] practice space available, SF
Message-ID: <9c5cfa860808151213r3f4e0feej4bf240fbeb39ff28@mail.gmail.com>

practice space available september 1.
near 3rd & evans in bayview, sf.
24 hours
gated parking lot
right by a 3rd st rail stop
conveniently located taco truck & pupuseria
enough room to keep your shit set up all the time, or to squeeze in two+ bands.
the other half of the room is used by ettrick and tank attack!
$285/mo.
e-mail me.

(or i guess if you think you'd like to be one of 2 bands sharing your
side of the space for $142.50/mo, contact me and maybe the 2nd of 2
bands will also contact me and everything will work out)

From matt at sfsound.org  Fri Aug 15 12:14:50 2008
From: matt at sfsound.org (matt)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:14:50 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] sfSoundRadio Update
Message-ID: <8735D4E5-0E17-4CC1-A88C-55BFA2CFC261@sfsound.org>

+ Shelled out some $$ for a dedicated server, should have 100s more  
listeners now before break ups!
check it out here:

http://200.35.148.107:8000/listen.pls

or by tomorrow the iTunes directory should be updated
( we are listed in the "Classical" and "Public" categories )

if you have any problems/breakups i would really appreciate hearing  
about it!


+ Also attempted to produce a podcast of sorts from the recording of  
the July sfSound concert.
(Reich, Scelsi, Sciarrino, Hilario, Ingalls/Bruckmann/Frasch)
Apologies for the host's mispronunciation and overall-lameness:

http://200.35.148.107/~matt/sfSoundCast_July13.2008.mp3


+ We have some plans on doing more shows (both live/remote and  
produced) -- if you have some ideas or would like to help out on the  
editing/producing end of things drop me a line!


+ And we are always looking for new music to play, especially Bay Area  
related.  Send to address on the website or give me a CD next time you  
see me.


+ We also have a fiscal sponsor now for tax deductible donations -  
instructions are on the webpage, if you would like to contribute to  
the cause..


Thanks for listening!!!

http://sfsound.org/radio

m@



From ingalls at mills.edu  Fri Aug 15 12:43:56 2008
From: ingalls at mills.edu (Matt Ingalls)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:43:56 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] new xenakis midi recording
In-Reply-To: <877727.40789.qm@web58009.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <877727.40789.qm@web58009.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F81D56F650769E4587383FDD7DE82629067FA7F4@EXCHANGE02.mills.edu>

but a real (midi-controlled) piano, i assume?

i seem to remember Herma or one of those pieces has moments where there are 3 simultaneous notes low, middle, and high on the keyboard where a human would have to leave out a note.

-m

________________________________________
From: newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu [newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu] On Behalf Of Jacob Lindsay [jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:01 AM
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
Subject: [NewMusic] new xenakis midi recording

Does anyone know about this new recording on NEOS of Xenakis piano music performed by Midi?  On the package it says (unplayable by human hands) but I have some recordings of folks playing some of those pieces.....as far as I know they are human and have hands.  What's up with that?

Also, there is a new recording of Kraanerg on Mode boasting a "restored" tape.  Anyone heard that?  Is it significantly better than previous recordings?

Jacob Lindsay
http://www.bayimproviser.com/jacoblindsay



_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

From walters at doubtfulpalace.com  Fri Aug 15 12:56:45 2008
From: walters at doubtfulpalace.com (Tim Walters)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:56:45 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] new xenakis midi recording
In-Reply-To: <F81D56F650769E4587383FDD7DE82629067FA7F4@EXCHANGE02.mills.edu>
References: <877727.40789.qm@web58009.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<F81D56F650769E4587383FDD7DE82629067FA7F4@EXCHANGE02.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <48A5DF7D.2010303@doubtfulpalace.com>

Matt Ingalls wrote:

> i seem to remember Herma or one of those pieces has moments where there are 3 simultaneous notes 
> low, middle, and high on the keyboard where a human would have to leave out a note.

Or play the middle note with your nose.

-- 

Tim Walters | The Doubtful Palace | http://doubtfulpalace.com

From wobbly at detritus.net  Fri Aug 15 13:21:34 2008
From: wobbly at detritus.net (wobbly at detritus.net)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:21:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] new xenakis midi recording
In-Reply-To: <F81D56F650769E4587383FDD7DE82629067FA7F4@EXCHANGE02.mills.edu>
References: <877727.40789.qm@web58009.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<F81D56F650769E4587383FDD7DE82629067FA7F4@EXCHANGE02.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <30658.198.37.34.2.1218831694.squirrel@webmail.detritus.net>


> Also, there is a new recording of Kraanerg on Mode boasting a "restored"
> tape.  Anyone heard that?  Is it significantly better than previous
> recordings?

I checked out the Mode webpage, and saw that the tape restoration was done
by Daniel Teige.  Teige did hands down my favorite mix of Xenakis'
'Persepolis' on that 2 CD Editions RZ set --  it was seriously as if I'd
never heard the piece before, and I'd heard the original & the Asphodel --
so I'll definitely check this new 'Kraanerg' out

out of the other three versions of 'Kraanerg' I've heard, my favorite is
the one by Marius Constant on Erato, it's just got the power.  the Roger
Woodward recording is on the muddy side and the ST-X Ensemble one on
Asphodel is almost too defined & sharp, good if you want to study the
seperate parts but it lacks the right chaos.  there's a 2003 version I
haven't heard.

the Mode series has been kind of hit and miss, I'm sad their remix of
'Legend d'Eer' is the only one in print right now, it's an overcompressed,
tamed shadow of Xenakis' original stereo mix, which is seriously one the
10 most incredible pieces of electronic music in whatever history there is
left



From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com  Fri Aug 15 13:24:47 2008
From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:24:47 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] new xenakis midi recording
In-Reply-To: <48A5DF7D.2010303@doubtfulpalace.com>
References: <877727.40789.qm@web58009.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<F81D56F650769E4587383FDD7DE82629067FA7F4@EXCHANGE02.mills.edu>
	<48A5DF7D.2010303@doubtfulpalace.com>
Message-ID: <7FABFC84-41E5-4779-B26E-D10FCB0634ED@matthewgoodheart.com>


On Aug 15, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Tim Walters wrote:

> Or play the middle note with your nose.


The nose is one possibility. . . .


Matthew Goodheart
composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
http://matthewgoodheart.com
http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart





From 21grand at 21grand.org  Fri Aug 15 13:55:48 2008
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:55:48 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic]  new xenakis midi recording
Message-ID: <C4CB3B64.267A0%21grand@21grand.org>

Matt G wrote:
On Aug 15, 2008, at 12:56 PM, Tim Walters wrote:

> Or play the middle note with your nose.


The nose is one possibility. . . .

- Are you being sexist again, Mr. Goodheart?

sl



From weaselw at juno.com  Fri Aug 15 13:55:12 2008
From: weaselw at juno.com (weasel walter)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:55:12 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] new xenakis midi recording
Message-ID: <20080815.140016.5412.51.weaselw@juno.com>

> Or play the middle note with your nose.

or, lean over and let your glass eye fall out and hit the key in the
middle.

ww
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From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com  Fri Aug 15 14:19:44 2008
From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:19:44 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] new xenakis midi recording
In-Reply-To: <C4CB3B64.267A0%21grand@21grand.org>
References: <C4CB3B64.267A0%21grand@21grand.org>
Message-ID: <20FF09F5-1AD1-455B-9AB2-F66D31E71413@matthewgoodheart.com>

>> Or play the middle note with your nose.
>
> The nose is one possibility. . . .
>
> - Are you being sexist again, Mr. Goodheart?


What's wrong with being sexy?. . . oh right.

*insert additional Spinal Tap quotes here*


Reminds me of the discussion from way back when about whether  
"virtuosity" is gendered. . . maybe this is what they had in mind.


mg

ps; for anyone wondering what the f*** that's about; check out the  
etymology of "virtuostity"



Matthew Goodheart
composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
http://matthewgoodheart.com
http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart





From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com  Fri Aug 15 15:32:08 2008
From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:32:08 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] some equipment to get rid of. . .
In-Reply-To: <20FF09F5-1AD1-455B-9AB2-F66D31E71413@matthewgoodheart.com>
References: <C4CB3B64.267A0%21grand@21grand.org>
	<20FF09F5-1AD1-455B-9AB2-F66D31E71413@matthewgoodheart.com>
Message-ID: <AEE17D5F-F2BD-4210-8002-BC989365679A@matthewgoodheart.com>

movin' time, and got some stuff to go. Any offer accepted, since I  
have no idea what reasonable is and I want it to go. . .

Peavey KB 300 keyboard amp - works, a few broken knobs, but could be  
fixed up.

Yamaha TX-802 tone generator

Yamah TX-1P piano module - this sucker's free

Kawai Mx 8r keyboard mixer - free if you want something else. . .

Yamaha KX-88 weighted keyboard - still works good, but needs a key  
replaced. Alvin used this a lot when he was here.

email me or give me a buzz at 526-2717


Matthew Goodheart
composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
http://matthewgoodheart.com
http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart





From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com  Fri Aug 15 15:34:08 2008
From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:34:08 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] ps
In-Reply-To: <AEE17D5F-F2BD-4210-8002-BC989365679A@matthewgoodheart.com>
References: <C4CB3B64.267A0%21grand@21grand.org>
	<20FF09F5-1AD1-455B-9AB2-F66D31E71413@matthewgoodheart.com>
	<AEE17D5F-F2BD-4210-8002-BC989365679A@matthewgoodheart.com>
Message-ID: <B9CD0C4E-DC29-4291-B0A8-6630C8112D4D@matthewgoodheart.com>

For that matter, there's also an Ikea love seat, and some shelving. . .

Matthew Goodheart
composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
http://matthewgoodheart.com
http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart





From letucepry at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 15 17:44:40 2008
From: letucepry at yahoo.com (Ron Lettuce)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:44:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] some equipment to get rid of. . .
Message-ID: <587620.38637.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

WOW, cool All of that is great stuff...
If the TX802 is anything like it's counterpart (TX81Z) it is very easy to create microtonal scales etc. a feature sorely lacking from more modern synths...although I don't understand the review at vintagesynth...it sounds like it's more powerful than the TX81Z, those techno kids once they get the idea that something's the bomb, they won't settle for anything else, even if it's better...
http://www.vintagesynth.com/index2.html
>As if the large keyboard DX versions weren't difficult enough to program, the TX802's limited interface makes >editing and programming your own sounds next to impossible without the help of external hardware or software >editors. In the late 1980's, the TX802 was an excellent way to get a compact box full of Yamaha's DX sounds. >Today, however, computer software plug-ins such as Native Instrument's FM7 are definitely the way to go for DX >and FM-based synth sounds! 




----- Original Message ----
From: Matthew Goodheart <matthew at matthewgoodheart.com>
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 3:32:08 PM
Subject: [NewMusic] some equipment to get rid of. . .

movin' time, and got some stuff to go. Any offer accepted, since I? 
have no idea what reasonable is and I want it to go. . .

Peavey KB 300 keyboard amp - works, a few broken knobs, but could be? 
fixed up.

Yamaha TX-802 tone generator

Yamah TX-1P piano module - this sucker's free

Kawai Mx 8r keyboard mixer - free if you want something else. . .

Yamaha KX-88 weighted keyboard - still works good, but needs a key? 
replaced. Alvin used this a lot when he was here.

email me or give me a buzz at 526-2717


Matthew Goodheart
composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
http://matthewgoodheart.com
http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart




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From letucepry at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 15 17:45:58 2008
From: letucepry at yahoo.com (Ron Lettuce)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:45:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] new xenakis midi recording
Message-ID: <133145.56302.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

DUH...that's what your NOSE is for...
>i seem to remember Herma or one of those pieces has moments where there are 3 simultaneous notes low, middle, >and high on the keyboard where a human would have to leave out a note.




----- Original Message ----
From: Matt Ingalls <ingalls at mills.edu>
To: "jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com" <jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com>; Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 12:43:56 PM
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] new xenakis midi recording

but a real (midi-controlled) piano, i assume?

i seem to remember Herma or one of those pieces has moments where there are 3 simultaneous notes low, middle, and high on the keyboard where a human would have to leave out a note.

-m

________________________________________
From: newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu [newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu] On Behalf Of Jacob Lindsay [jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 10:01 AM
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
Subject: [NewMusic] new xenakis midi recording

Does anyone know about this new recording on NEOS of Xenakis piano music performed by Midi?? On the package it says (unplayable by human hands) but I have some recordings of folks playing some of those pieces.....as far as I know they are human and have hands.? What's up with that?

Also, there is a new recording of Kraanerg on Mode boasting a "restored" tape.? Anyone heard that?? Is it significantly better than previous recordings?

Jacob Lindsay
http://www.bayimproviser.com/jacoblindsay



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From letucepry at yahoo.com  Sat Aug 16 10:31:25 2008
From: letucepry at yahoo.com (Ron Lettuce)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:31:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] new xenakis midi recording
Message-ID: <616939.75617.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

DOH! I was clearly picking mine while not reading this...



----- Original Message ----
From: Tim Walters <walters at doubtfulpalace.com>
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Friday, August 15, 2008 12:56:45 PM
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] new xenakis midi recording

Matt Ingalls wrote:

> i seem to remember Herma or one of those pieces has moments where there are 3 simultaneous notes 
> low, middle, and high on the keyboard where a human would have to leave out a note.

Or play the middle note with your nose.

-- 

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From miltnerunit at gmail.com  Sat Aug 16 16:58:03 2008
From: miltnerunit at gmail.com (kristin miltner)
Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 16:58:03 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Oscilloscope
Message-ID: <ef1ad92c0808161658s37f4d30fj8495ff8723d84c13@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone have one that we can borrow for the San Francisco Electronic Music
Festival (Sept 3 - 7)? Ray Sweeten is performing, and was wondering if he
could borrow one, to incorporate into some live video,

lemme know,


thanks

k

-- 
kristin miltner
audio professional
www.myspace.com/miltnerunit

From djcypod at gmail.com  Sun Aug 17 09:02:43 2008
From: djcypod at gmail.com (beau)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:02:43 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] NewMusic Digest, Vol 28, Issue 10
In-Reply-To: <80062.12241.qm@web45207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.1.1218686404.29552.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
	<80062.12241.qm@web45207.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <fc5507fa0808170902m5e5aeb6cm521432f72c49f5da@mail.gmail.com>

If he wants to run pro-tools then there's always the Mbox 2 Micro:
http://www.digidesign.com/index.cfm?navid=220&langid=100&itemid=5343

On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:16 PM, J. Segel <magsatellite at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hi Folks-
>>
>> A friend of mine asked me about USB sound cards for his PC
>> laptop. He
>> just wants something that sounds decent for listening on
>> headphones,
>> recording is not important. Any recommendations?
>
>
> somewhere along the line, something i bought came with a tiny usb thing the size of a flash drive, made by turtle beach. it is just a headphone out, also doubles as optical out i think.
> http://www.turtlebeach.com/products/micro/home.aspx
>
>
>
>
> MAGNETIC --- Jonathan Segel
> magsatellite-yahoo(.)com <---> jsegel-magneticmotorworks(.)com
> http://www.MagneticMotorworks.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From ava.mendoza at gmail.com  Sun Aug 17 16:38:06 2008
From: ava.mendoza at gmail.com (Ava Mendoza)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:38:06 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] need drumset in berlin
Message-ID: <317505170808171638yd05ea4fj38f1dac4449d1f86@mail.gmail.com>

hi there,

anyone know of some folks to write in berlin in the hope of borrowing
a drumset in september? thanks,

ava

From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Sun Aug 17 17:20:50 2008
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:20:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] need drumset in berlin
In-Reply-To: <317505170808171638yd05ea4fj38f1dac4449d1f86@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <786452.15736.qm@web81407.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

i don't have it handy, and i'm about to run out the door, but write to me off list. i will send michael griener's email address...he's taking some time off because his wife just had a baby, so he won't have a strong need for his tubs....
   
  pg

Ava Mendoza <ava.mendoza at gmail.com> wrote:
  hi there,

anyone know of some folks to write in berlin in the hope of borrowing
a drumset in september? thanks,

ava
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From jonbrumit at gmail.com  Sun Aug 17 18:33:29 2008
From: jonbrumit at gmail.com (Jon Brumit)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:33:29 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] wurli electric piano for sale! moving and can't take it
	with me . . .. ... ....
Message-ID: <8b32960d0808171833v23d6c59ckbe4de1f48e446cce@mail.gmail.com>

hi yall

wurlitzer electric piano for sale
model 720 a
home or studio type - not the portable one

ad on craigslist
http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/msg/799522402.html

anyway let me know very soon - i can deliver too
thanks!
jon

jonbrumit at gmail.com

From miltnerunit at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 11:00:43 2008
From: miltnerunit at gmail.com (kristin miltner)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:00:43 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Oscilloscope needed for SFEMF
Message-ID: <ef1ad92c0808181100y57d34dc6wad93898fe9a32b66@mail.gmail.com>

really? no one has an oscilloscope?

anyone got ideas about where I can find one? Al Lashers, maybe? In a closet
somewhere in the CCM? Any other better ideas?

thanks guys,

k

-- 
kristin miltner
audio professional
www.kristinmiltner.net

From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Mon Aug 18 11:58:09 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:58:09 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] Analog vocal filter
Message-ID: <C4CF1451.16556%Gino.Robair@penton.com>

I know it's not an oscilloscope (hey, they do make software ones, Kristin),
but maybe someone on this list could use one of these on a trumpet, voice or
clarinet:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10019186-1.html?tag=mncol;title


From miltnerunit at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 12:14:22 2008
From: miltnerunit at gmail.com (kristin miltner)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:14:22 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Analog vocal filter
In-Reply-To: <C4CF1451.16556%Gino.Robair@penton.com>
References: <C4CF1451.16556%Gino.Robair@penton.com>
Message-ID: <ef1ad92c0808181214w753a9a89u71cbba62e9d3a9d8@mail.gmail.com>

I know they make software ones -- but I think he's using it for video and
somehow i don't think shooting the computer screen has the same impact as
having a big ol' nice pretty one up there. That might be what we end up
doing, though,

k

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:58 AM, Robair, Gino <Gino.Robair at penton.com>wrote:

> I know it's not an oscilloscope (hey, they do make software ones, Kristin),
> but maybe someone on this list could use one of these on a trumpet, voice
> or
> clarinet:
>
> http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10019186-1.html?tag=mncol;title
>
> _______________________________________________
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> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
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>



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audio professional
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www.myspace.com/miltnerunit
http://www.linkedin.com/in/kristinmiltner
http://www.praemedia.com/consumerproducts.html

From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Mon Aug 18 13:11:43 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:11:43 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] Analog vocal filter
Message-ID: <C4CF258F.16566%Gino.Robair@penton.com>

<<i don't think shooting the computer screen has the same impact as
having a big ol' nice pretty one up there. That might be what we end up
doing, though,>.

Video projection!




From miltnerunit at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 13:14:07 2008
From: miltnerunit at gmail.com (kristin miltner)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:14:07 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Analog vocal filter
In-Reply-To: <C4CF258F.16566%Gino.Robair@penton.com>
References: <C4CF258F.16566%Gino.Robair@penton.com>
Message-ID: <ef1ad92c0808181314q10dd6304scce1db8aab7d7718@mail.gmail.com>

oh yeah, we're totally doing that. that's kind of the reason i want a 'real'
one, because it'll be blown up really big,

On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 1:11 PM, Robair, Gino <Gino.Robair at penton.com>wrote:

> <<i don't think shooting the computer screen has the same impact as
> having a big ol' nice pretty one up there. That might be what we end up
> doing, though,>.
>
> Video projection!
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>



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www.myspace.com/miltnerunit
http://www.linkedin.com/in/kristinmiltner
http://www.praemedia.com/consumerproducts.html

From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Mon Aug 18 16:32:35 2008
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:32:35 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Fans of spam poetry might like
Message-ID: <c70e517b0808181632r23d7b56fwaf39d1f618084652@mail.gmail.com>

Decontextualized youtube comment poetry

http://www.thatwasepic.com/

From td at pixar.com  Tue Aug 19 09:34:38 2008
From: td at pixar.com (Tom Duff)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:34:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Oscilloscope
In-Reply-To: <ef1ad92c0808161658s37f4d30fj8495ff8723d84c13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ef1ad92c0808161658s37f4d30fj8495ff8723d84c13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0808190934120.26326@marvin.dynamic.pixar.com>

On Sat, 16 Aug 2008, kristin miltner wrote:

> Anyone have one that we can borrow for the San Francisco Electronic Music
> Festival (Sept 3 - 7)? Ray Sweeten is performing, and was wondering if he
> could borrow one, to incorporate into some live video,

I have one.

-- 
Tom Duff.  Have you confidence in me to trust me with your watch until
tomorrow?

From miltnerunit at gmail.com  Tue Aug 19 10:42:54 2008
From: miltnerunit at gmail.com (kristin miltner)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:42:54 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Oscilloscope
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0808190934120.26326@marvin.dynamic.pixar.com>
References: <ef1ad92c0808161658s37f4d30fj8495ff8723d84c13@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0808190934120.26326@marvin.dynamic.pixar.com>
Message-ID: <ef1ad92c0808191042m1ff0d916rd933a29c508023db@mail.gmail.com>

ah! THANKS Tom,

k

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:34 AM, Tom Duff <td at pixar.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 16 Aug 2008, kristin miltner wrote:
>
> > Anyone have one that we can borrow for the San Francisco Electronic Music
> > Festival (Sept 3 - 7)? Ray Sweeten is performing, and was wondering if he
> > could borrow one, to incorporate into some live video,
>
> I have one.
>
> --
> Tom Duff.  Have you confidence in me to trust me with your watch until
> tomorrow?
> _______________________________________________
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>



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http://www.linkedin.com/in/kristinmiltner
http://www.praemedia.com/consumerproducts.html

From praemedia at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 13:59:34 2008
From: praemedia at yahoo.com (Praemedia)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:59:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Geometric Keyboard
Message-ID: <942011.70000.qm@web51602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://kk.org/ct2/2008/08/new-geometric-keyboard.php


      

From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Tue Aug 19 14:16:05 2008
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:16:05 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Geometric Keyboard
In-Reply-To: <942011.70000.qm@web51602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <942011.70000.qm@web51602.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c70e517b0808191416v4b90dbedpe313fa8acd5b50a0@mail.gmail.com>

I have to ask - is this similar to the structure of the bass keys on
an accordion?

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Praemedia <praemedia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://kk.org/ct2/2008/08/new-geometric-keyboard.php
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
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> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From letucepry at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 16:34:45 2008
From: letucepry at yahoo.com (Ron Lettuce)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:34:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Geometric Keyboard
Message-ID: <419303.61741.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

No, 120 Bass is mostly chords row of 7ths, row of dim etc:

http://www.accordionpage.com/basar.html
and apparently not like the goofy treble keys on some accordions either...
http://www.accordionpage.com/treble.html#CA
But this question is better answered by Kimric.
lettuce

----- Original Message ----
From: Matt Davignon <mattdavignon at gmail.com>
To: praemedia at yahoo.com; Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:16:05 PM
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Geometric Keyboard

I have to ask - is this similar to the structure of the bass keys on
an accordion?

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Praemedia <praemedia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://kk.org/ct2/2008/08/new-geometric-keyboard.php
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From 21grand at 21grand.org  Tue Aug 19 17:42:10 2008
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:42:10 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic]  Geometric Keyboard
Message-ID: <C4D0B672.26887%21grand@21grand.org>

As are so many other questions ... Questions you might not even have! He
will answer them!  You don't even have to ask! He will eventually get around
to answering your question, but only after he's spent 15 minutes telling you
about something totally irrelevant.  Gotta love the guy, though!

 sl

Mr. Lettuce lectured:
No, 120 Bass is mostly chords row of 7ths, row of dim etc:
...
But this question is better answered by Kimric.
lettuce

----- Original Message ----
From: Matt Davignon <mattdavignon at gmail.com>
To: praemedia at yahoo.com; Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at
music.mills.edu>
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:16:05 PM
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Geometric Keyboard

I have to ask - is this similar to the structure of the bass keys on
an accordion?

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 1:59 PM, Praemedia <praemedia at yahoo.com> wrote:
> http://kk.org/ct2/2008/08/new-geometric-keyboard.php
>
>
>



From michaelz at zoka.com  Thu Aug 21 12:02:28 2008
From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:02:28 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] A matter of taste
Message-ID: <p06240819c4d364919d22@[192.168.0.3]>

>seattlepi.com
>
>August 20, 2008 2:47 p.m. PT

<http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/brothers/373472_joyce821.html>


>It's a matter of taste: Mom is dubious about son's computer-generated music
>
>By DR. JOYCE BROTHERS
>
>DEAR DR. BROTHERS: My son is a contemporary musician, and has 
>recently started experimenting with computerized sound in his 
>pieces. I don't think his work is as moving or emotional as it was 
>when he was playing instruments himself, now that he is using 
>computers. Does this make sense, or am I just prejudiced against 
>electronic music because I'm old-fashioned? - M.V.
>
>DEAR M.V.: It's great that your son is able to branch out and 
>experiment with using new, state-of-the-art technology to explore 
>the boundaries of his art. Despite your opinion of his music, you 
>should certainly encourage him to innovate and try new things. As 
>far as your judgment of the quality of his music that uses 
>electronic or computer-generated sounds, you are, of course, 
>entitled to have your own taste in music. It may be that he is 
>making music that sounds unfamiliar to you, or that you otherwise 
>wouldn't enjoy, so you might be predisposed to enjoy it less than 
>the music your son was making previously.
>
>However, there actually may be a serious basis to your opinions. In 
>a recent study published in the Public Library of Science journal, 
>scientists found that when people listened to music played by a real 
>person, a stronger emotional response was created in their brains 
>than when listening to the same music generated by a computer. The 
>computer-generated music still elicited an emotional response, but 
>it wasn't as strong as when the music was being played by a person. 
>It seems musicians can strengthen the emotions in a piece of music, 
>and when we listen to musicians, we react to all the aspects of the 
>performance that cannot necessarily be produced by computers. In 
>this case, you might be reacting to the decreased level of 
>involvement that your son has with the actual making of his music, 
>and feeling a less-intense emotional response to his music because 
>of it.

From duplexhelixmusic at gmail.com  Thu Aug 21 15:50:20 2008
From: duplexhelixmusic at gmail.com (Adnan Marquez)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:50:20 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Introduction note: Adnan Marquez-Borbon
Message-ID: <bfc195580808211550m5c1ae97s3320edeb41ae63d2@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings to all,

My name is Adnan Marquez-Borbon and I am a recent transplant to the Bay Area
from Mexico via Southern California. I'm a saxophonist, improviser, and
electronic/computer musician and I would like to get involved in more events
in the Bay Area, as well as meeting and playing with anyone interested.

Here's my contact info and some examples of my work:
duplexhelixmusic at gmail.com
myspace.com/adnanmarquez
ccrma.stanford.edu/~adnanm

Cheers,

Adnan

From 21grand at 21grand.org  Fri Aug 22 00:23:30 2008
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 00:23:30 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] 21 Grand update
Message-ID: <C4D3B782.26973%21grand@21grand.org>

Because people ask, I am posting this, and hopefully it isn't interpreted as
some indication of embarrassing self-absorption ...

We met with our landlord this afternoon to discuss the financial angle of
all the improvements the city wants us to make, with the logic that he could
very well say, "Nope, I'm not putting in one red cent, don't want the
hassle, don't care. Sorry." And were this to be the case, we would rather
learn this sooner rather than later so we could start planning a potential
move.

The landlord seemed encouraging, though we didn't have exact numbers, and
the range of dollar amounts we presented were fairly broad, so he was
reticent to commit to anything. Basically, it was inconclusive ... No
resolution ... This is really starting to feel like "No Exit" ...It does
seem like we can negotiate something, though we would be responsible for
some of the costs, and would need to raise funds.  How soon we'd need them
is another question. How soon before I start reading more Kafka is yet
another question.

The other vaguely good news is that the building is staying in the family,
such that the landlord is looking at the long term value of the property and
as a long-term investment, rather than planning to put it on the market and
wash his hands of it. The landlord understands that the seismic upgrade and
possible sprinkler requirement would come into play if he rented to anything
that wasn't an auto garage, and aren't specific to the dangerous practice of
presenting live music to an audience. We hope that he will agree to pay for
those things and not require us to reimburse those costs.

I wish I had more conclusive news to report, and I apologize to everyone
I've ranted at - the current rant involves sprinklers and the lack of
inherent "unsafety" of a building of 4100 sq ft.  If you haven't heard it,
consider yourself lucky.  It's not very entertaining.

Our ability to present shows is still up in the air.  I had gotten us a
"reprieve" through August 17th, and now I have to go back to the building
and fire departments and negotiate further. Basically, it's fairly simple to
talk to someone who only sort of knows what is required and what can be done
and who has no authority, but getting the attention of those who do have
authority and who can actually do things is not easy.

We can host rehearsals, recording sessions, workshops, and events that lend
themselves to being done on the sly. I am hoping this will change back to
doing several shows a month in the very near future, as we do have things
scheduled.

sl



From michaelz at zoka.com  Fri Aug 22 09:32:44 2008
From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:32:44 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] High tech composing
Message-ID: <p0624081cc4d36a3af0c9@[192.168.0.3]>

>Music Composing gets digital ?

<http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20080820/music-composing-gets-digital-%E2%80%A6/>

From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Fri Aug 22 09:52:21 2008
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:52:21 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] High tech composing
In-Reply-To: <p0624081cc4d36a3af0c9@192.168.0.3>
References: <p0624081cc4d36a3af0c9@192.168.0.3>
Message-ID: <c70e517b0808220952k6cf445b2t1c1bfa874eddad9e@mail.gmail.com>

The child in the posture must be composing "new" music, as evidenced
by the headache posture in the last photo.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Michael Zelner <michaelz at zoka.com> wrote:
>>Music Composing gets digital ?
>
> <http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20080820/music-composing-gets-digital-%E2%80%A6/>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Fri Aug 22 09:53:21 2008
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:53:21 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] High tech composing
In-Reply-To: <c70e517b0808220952k6cf445b2t1c1bfa874eddad9e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <p0624081cc4d36a3af0c9@192.168.0.3>
	<c70e517b0808220952k6cf445b2t1c1bfa874eddad9e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c70e517b0808220953g565666acrd5d04d9dff489d1e@mail.gmail.com>

Child in the posture - I need more caffeine. Child in the pasture? No
- picture! (sigh)

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon at gmail.com> wrote:
> The child in the posture must be composing "new" music, as evidenced
> by the headache posture in the last photo.
>
> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Michael Zelner <michaelz at zoka.com> wrote:
>>>Music Composing gets digital ?
>>
>> <http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20080820/music-composing-gets-digital-%E2%80%A6/>

From letucepry at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 09:53:22 2008
From: letucepry at yahoo.com (Ron Lettuce)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:53:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] High tech composing
Message-ID: <374548.9389.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Is it just me, or does the girl? (or maybe baby Mozart with bun on the back of his head?)?in pic three just look painfully discouraged by what she's done?
This last frame could EASILY be one of those New Yorker "you provide the caption" contests.
The music notes come up and you finished composing your own music...now live with it...
or 
Oh, no, MANGLED again...
or 
Best invention since the Newton.
or 
Now that my gold medal in gymnastics has been stripped from me, it's either this or work for Kathy Lee...
lettuce



----- Original Message ----
From: Michael Zelner <michaelz at zoka.com>
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:32:44 AM
Subject: [NewMusic] High tech composing

>Music Composing gets digital ?

<http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20080820/music-composing-gets-digital-%E2%80%A6/>
_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
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From letucepry at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 22 10:03:43 2008
From: letucepry at yahoo.com (Ron Lettuce)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:03:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] High tech composing
Message-ID: <304332.11722.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

>The child in the posture must be composing "new" music, as evidenced
>by the headache posture in the last photo.
and can't get the thing out of "Auto-correct to Diatonic Scale" mode...


lettuce

----- Original Message ----
From: Matt Davignon <mattdavignon at gmail.com>
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:52:21 AM
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] High tech composing

The child in the posture must be composing "new" music, as evidenced
by the headache posture in the last photo.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 9:32 AM, Michael Zelner <michaelz at zoka.com> wrote:
>>Music Composing gets digital ?
>
> <http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20080820/music-composing-gets-digital-%E2%80%A6/>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
_______________________________________________
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NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Fri Aug 22 10:19:34 2008
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:19:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] 21 Grand update
In-Reply-To: <C4D3B782.26973%21grand@21grand.org>
Message-ID: <482973.70571.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

dear sarah,

thanks for surfing the waves of this ongoing struggle. i'm sure i'm safe in saying that we all deeply appreciate your tenacity, sense of humor, and desire to keep 21 grand alive for all those who seek to put audiences in danger.

:)

please continue to keep us in the loop. in the meantime, i think we should be working on further fundraising efforts to help stave back the inevitable costs (even if the landlord agrees to invest in improvements, it seems remote that you guys would walk away from this without spending further fees, etc.).

perhaps we could create a 21 grand fundraising commmittee - or is there already one in place? if so, i'd like to join that committee. if not, it's time we had one, so sarah and darren are not dealing with all of this on their own.

cheers,
phillip

--- On Fri, 8/22/08, Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> wrote:

> From: Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org>
> Subject: [NewMusic] 21 Grand update
> To: "Banewmus List" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
> Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 12:23 AM
> Because people ask, I am posting this, and hopefully it
> isn't interpreted as
> some indication of embarrassing self-absorption ...
> 
> We met with our landlord this afternoon to discuss the
> financial angle of
> all the improvements the city wants us to make, with the
> logic that he could
> very well say, "Nope, I'm not putting in one red
> cent, don't want the
> hassle, don't care. Sorry." And were this to be
> the case, we would rather
> learn this sooner rather than later so we could start
> planning a potential
> move.
> 
> The landlord seemed encouraging, though we didn't have
> exact numbers, and
> the range of dollar amounts we presented were fairly broad,
> so he was
> reticent to commit to anything. Basically, it was
> inconclusive ... No
> resolution ... This is really starting to feel like
> "No Exit" ...It does
> seem like we can negotiate something, though we would be
> responsible for
> some of the costs, and would need to raise funds.  How soon
> we'd need them
> is another question. How soon before I start reading more
> Kafka is yet
> another question.
> 
> The other vaguely good news is that the building is staying
> in the family,
> such that the landlord is looking at the long term value of
> the property and
> as a long-term investment, rather than planning to put it
> on the market and
> wash his hands of it. The landlord understands that the
> seismic upgrade and
> possible sprinkler requirement would come into play if he
> rented to anything
> that wasn't an auto garage, and aren't specific to
> the dangerous practice of
> presenting live music to an audience. We hope that he will
> agree to pay for
> those things and not require us to reimburse those costs.
> 
> I wish I had more conclusive news to report, and I
> apologize to everyone
> I've ranted at - the current rant involves sprinklers
> and the lack of
> inherent "unsafety" of a building of 4100 sq ft. 
> If you haven't heard it,
> consider yourself lucky.  It's not very entertaining.
> 
> Our ability to present shows is still up in the air.  I had
> gotten us a
> "reprieve" through August 17th, and now I have to
> go back to the building
> and fire departments and negotiate further. Basically,
> it's fairly simple to
> talk to someone who only sort of knows what is required and
> what can be done
> and who has no authority, but getting the attention of
> those who do have
> authority and who can actually do things is not easy.
> 
> We can host rehearsals, recording sessions, workshops, and
> events that lend
> themselves to being done on the sly. I am hoping this will
> change back to
> doing several shows a month in the very near future, as we
> do have things
> scheduled.
> 
> sl
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

From polly.moller at gmail.com  Fri Aug 22 10:25:24 2008
From: polly.moller at gmail.com (Polly Moller)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 10:25:24 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] 21 Grand update
In-Reply-To: <482973.70571.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <C4D3B782.26973%21grand@21grand.org>
	<482973.70571.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2eb068d40808221025x42a3495vbb7ca754033a4419@mail.gmail.com>

There are funders whose interest is capital improvements for arts
organizations.
Has the Board targeted any of these yet?
P.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Phillip Greenlief <pgsaxo at pacbell.net>wrote:

> dear sarah,
>
> thanks for surfing the waves of this ongoing struggle. i'm sure i'm safe in
> saying that we all deeply appreciate your tenacity, sense of humor, and
> desire to keep 21 grand alive for all those who seek to put audiences in
> danger.
>
> :)
>
> please continue to keep us in the loop. in the meantime, i think we should
> be working on further fundraising efforts to help stave back the inevitable
> costs (even if the landlord agrees to invest in improvements, it seems
> remote that you guys would walk away from this without spending further
> fees, etc.).
>
> perhaps we could create a 21 grand fundraising commmittee - or is there
> already one in place? if so, i'd like to join that committee. if not, it's
> time we had one, so sarah and darren are not dealing with all of this on
> their own.
>
> cheers,
> phillip
>
> --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> wrote:
>
> > From: Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org>
> > Subject: [NewMusic] 21 Grand update
> > To: "Banewmus List" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
> > Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 12:23 AM
> > Because people ask, I am posting this, and hopefully it
> > isn't interpreted as
> > some indication of embarrassing self-absorption ...
> >
> > We met with our landlord this afternoon to discuss the
> > financial angle of
> > all the improvements the city wants us to make, with the
> > logic that he could
> > very well say, "Nope, I'm not putting in one red
> > cent, don't want the
> > hassle, don't care. Sorry." And were this to be
> > the case, we would rather
> > learn this sooner rather than later so we could start
> > planning a potential
> > move.
> >
> > The landlord seemed encouraging, though we didn't have
> > exact numbers, and
> > the range of dollar amounts we presented were fairly broad,
> > so he was
> > reticent to commit to anything. Basically, it was
> > inconclusive ... No
> > resolution ... This is really starting to feel like
> > "No Exit" ...It does
> > seem like we can negotiate something, though we would be
> > responsible for
> > some of the costs, and would need to raise funds.  How soon
> > we'd need them
> > is another question. How soon before I start reading more
> > Kafka is yet
> > another question.
> >
> > The other vaguely good news is that the building is staying
> > in the family,
> > such that the landlord is looking at the long term value of
> > the property and
> > as a long-term investment, rather than planning to put it
> > on the market and
> > wash his hands of it. The landlord understands that the
> > seismic upgrade and
> > possible sprinkler requirement would come into play if he
> > rented to anything
> > that wasn't an auto garage, and aren't specific to
> > the dangerous practice of
> > presenting live music to an audience. We hope that he will
> > agree to pay for
> > those things and not require us to reimburse those costs.
> >
> > I wish I had more conclusive news to report, and I
> > apologize to everyone
> > I've ranted at - the current rant involves sprinklers
> > and the lack of
> > inherent "unsafety" of a building of 4100 sq ft.
> > If you haven't heard it,
> > consider yourself lucky.  It's not very entertaining.
> >
> > Our ability to present shows is still up in the air.  I had
> > gotten us a
> > "reprieve" through August 17th, and now I have to
> > go back to the building
> > and fire departments and negotiate further. Basically,
> > it's fairly simple to
> > talk to someone who only sort of knows what is required and
> > what can be done
> > and who has no authority, but getting the attention of
> > those who do have
> > authority and who can actually do things is not easy.
> >
> > We can host rehearsals, recording sessions, workshops, and
> > events that lend
> > themselves to being done on the sly. I am hoping this will
> > change back to
> > doing several shows a month in the very near future, as we
> > do have things
> > scheduled.
> >
> > sl
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>



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From 21grand at 21grand.org  Fri Aug 22 11:59:35 2008
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:59:35 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic]  21 Grand update
Message-ID: <C4D45AA7.2699D%21grand@21grand.org>

Phillip wrote:
please continue to keep us in the loop. in the meantime, i think we should
be working on further fundraising efforts to help stave back the inevitable
costs (even if the landlord agrees to invest in improvements, it seems
remote that you guys would walk away from this without spending further
fees, etc.).

--- very, very remote. My biggest fear is ending up in debt to the landlord.
It's one thing to be in debt to yourself, to lose money on doing something
meaningful ...I just don't want to find myself in the position that the poor
folks at the Black Box did, of having to raise enormous amounts of money for
that purpose, then fail. ...

perhaps we could create a 21 grand fundraising commmittee - or is there
already one in place?

-- it is currently a committee of one. "Meetings" occur generally around
1-2am or are called on an emergency basis around 7 - 7:30am (sometimes
shortly after a 1-2am meeting, if you get my drift).  If there was an actual
committee, things would be far better.

if so, i'd like to join that committee. if not, it's time we had one, so
sarah and darren are not dealing with all of this on their own.


-- thanks!!!

sl



From td at pixar.com  Fri Aug 22 15:19:19 2008
From: td at pixar.com (Tom Duff)
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:19:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Words to live by
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0808221518200.9495@marvin.dynamic.pixar.com>


>From junk-camera photographer Miroslav Tichy:

"If you want to be famous, you have to do whatever you're doing worse
than anyone else in the whole world."

http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2008/08/scavenging_photography_of.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890


-- 
Tom Duff.  I'm posable!

From 21grand at 21grand.org  Wed Aug 27 13:13:12 2008
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:13:12 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] FW from Lexa Walsh
Message-ID: <C4DB0368.26B3D%21grand@21grand.org>

Lexa Walsh is doing this project and is looking for singers/musicians for:

The Oakland Jingle Orchestra

Which will be writing and recording jingles (I'm assuming advertising) about
Oakland

One Night only:
Sunday, Sept. 7th, 6-8pm at

Cricket Engine Gallery/Studios
499 Embarcadero (at 5th ave) Bldg #3
In Oakland

Lexa's contact is toychestra at yahoo dot com

sl



From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Wed Aug 27 16:44:34 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:44:34 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] Frippercomics
Message-ID: <C4DB34F2.16B3A%Gino.Robair@penton.com>

OT, but...well... You be the judge. (for fans of prog only. Those of you who
hate guitar-based music, don't bother.)

www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=11389


From letucepry at yahoo.com  Sun Aug 31 22:21:45 2008
From: letucepry at yahoo.com (Ron Lettuce)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:21:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Frippercomics
Message-ID: <37020.77564.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Hmmm....is the plastic barrier somehow protecting the "late entries" from the pink squiggleness of the Fripp-Belew-Levin trio???
young-uns check here....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5UCHC2AhlU
1:09...Adrian Belew -- Hey, if that stick guy can do it, why can't I...
2:29...Fripp doesn't agree...
crosseyed, painless, starless and bible black...("I swear the Talking Heads are the future of music as we know it"...possibly Robert Fripp ca 1980???)
among other fashion faux pas (besids pink jacket), Belew playing?"relic" strat twenty years too early...
lettuce



----- Original Message ----
From: "Robair, Gino" <Gino.Robair at penton.com>
To: New Music <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 4:44:34 PM
Subject: [NewMusic] Frippercomics

OT, but...well... You be the judge. (for fans of prog only. Those of you who
hate guitar-based music, don't bother.)

www.dgmlive.com/diaries.htm?entry=11389

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