From praemedia at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  1 15:37:39 2008
From: praemedia at yahoo.com (Praemedia)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:37:39 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] new venture
Message-ID: <271681.76951.qm@web51607.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

online free music - http://lucescit.praemedia.com/

feedback muchly much appreciated!

cheers

lance grabmiller
www.praemedia.com



      

From praemedia at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  1 15:40:09 2008
From: praemedia at yahoo.com (Praemedia)
Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 15:40:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] new venture
In-Reply-To: <271681.76951.qm@web51607.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <643099.67272.qm@web51604.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

and if you're looking for a new home for your own music, please consider Lucescit!

cheers

lance


--- On Mon, 12/1/08, Praemedia <praemedia at yahoo.com> wrote:

> From: Praemedia <praemedia at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [NewMusic] new venture
> To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion" <ba-newmus at eartha.mills.edu>
> Date: Monday, December 1, 2008, 3:37 PM
> online free music - http://lucescit.praemedia.com/
> 
> feedback muchly much appreciated!
> 
> cheers
> 
> lance grabmiller
> www.praemedia.com
> 
> 
> 
>       
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


      

From praemedia at yahoo.com  Tue Dec  2 09:07:40 2008
From: praemedia at yahoo.com (Praemedia)
Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 09:07:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] new venture redux
Message-ID: <809326.44295.qm@web51609.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

hello all.

few reports that safari is showing possible MALWARE, which doesnn't exist on the sight. So far no problems with firefox, explorer or opera. Any other problems anyone notices????

cheers

lance

ps - sight is http://lucescit.praemedia.com/


      

From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Wed Dec  3 13:39:18 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 15:39:18 -0600
Subject: [NewMusic] Phil Minton video
Message-ID: <C55C3C86.1A456%Gino.Robair@penton.com>

Well, to break the silence, check out Helen Petts' video of Phil Minton
singing "The Cutty Wren."

<<from the Peasants' Revolt (1381) which was caused by many grievances, one
of which was excessive Poll Tax. The Cutty Wren were the mercenary police
whom the peasants fought and occasionally killed. When this happened, the
peasants would destroy the evidence as well as stave off hunger and
starvation. So the song is about eating policemen. Piano arrangement and
accompaniment Veryan Weston.>>

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=7i7zdS7MHp8


From ie at allwaysnorth.com  Fri Dec  5 11:07:54 2008
From: ie at allwaysnorth.com (Cheryl Leonard)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:07:54 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] OT: Digidesign Mbox2 for sale
Message-ID: <FD23D86B-2F17-4D24-AAD7-6E9EC4A7509F@allwaysnorth.com>

Having just upgraded my recording setup, I am selling my not-so-old  
Digidesign Mbox 2 with Protools LE 7.3 software and an unused Pro  
Tools Ignition Pack 2. I am happy to officially transfer ownership.  
Asking $250 or best offer. Please email me off list with any questions.

Cheryl
ie at allwaysnorth.com

From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com  Sat Dec  6 11:08:21 2008
From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:08:21 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Toy pianos, etc.
Message-ID: <360C0A63-15CE-43EE-8F05-82740BCF451A@matthewgoodheart.com>

Hi Folks-

I'm trying to figure out the right sound for a piece; I'm looking for  
some high toy-piano like sound to mix with the upper octave of the  
piano, though out-of-tune. I know very little about toy pianos, xyla- 
pianos, etc. Anyone got any info I can glean? I'm under deadline and  
can't necessarily go hunting around for the right instrument before  
the score is due.

Thanks
matthew

Matthew Goodheart
composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
http://matthewgoodheart.com
http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart





From windrag at mac.com  Sat Dec  6 13:59:54 2008
From: windrag at mac.com (Ryk A. Groetchen)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 13:59:54 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Toy pianos, etc.
In-Reply-To: <360C0A63-15CE-43EE-8F05-82740BCF451A@matthewgoodheart.com>
References: <360C0A63-15CE-43EE-8F05-82740BCF451A@matthewgoodheart.com>
Message-ID: <D8AE867A-A6A3-4B54-9DA0-6C4995E09B2C@mac.com>

Hi Matthew,

The Melissa & Doug toy piano is a nice sound. Intonation varies from  
instrument to instrument and tends to be fair. It's easy to open up  
and you could adjust the tuning slightly as necessary. The sound is  
like created by hammers striking metal bars, like a Fender Rhodes.  
Tuning is from middle C up two octaves. Lots of overtones of the 1st  
and 2nd partials, especially in the lower octave.

<http://www.amazon.com/Melissa-and-Doug-Learn-To-Play-Piano/dp/B00020V59S 
 >

Hope that helps. Have fun!

rag


On Dec 6, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Matthew Goodheart wrote:

> Hi Folks-
>
> I'm trying to figure out the right sound for a piece; I'm looking for
> some high toy-piano like sound to mix with the upper octave of the
> piano, though out-of-tune. I know very little about toy pianos, xyla-
> pianos, etc. Anyone got any info I can glean? I'm under deadline and
> can't necessarily go hunting around for the right instrument before
> the score is due.
>
> Thanks
> matthew
>
> Matthew Goodheart
> composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
> matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
> http://matthewgoodheart.com
> http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


From mylesaudio at aol.com  Sat Dec  6 14:07:24 2008
From: mylesaudio at aol.com (mylesaudio at aol.com)
Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 17:07:24 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] Toy pianos, etc.
In-Reply-To: <D8AE867A-A6A3-4B54-9DA0-6C4995E09B2C@mac.com>
References: <360C0A63-15CE-43EE-8F05-82740BCF451A@matthewgoodheart.com>
	<D8AE867A-A6A3-4B54-9DA0-6C4995E09B2C@mac.com>
Message-ID: <8CB260626E4E5D4-140-4A3@WEBMAIL-DG08.sim.aol.com>

All the toy pianos I have seen employ cylindrical metal rods, which are 
screwed into a wooden sounding board. Since there is no dampening of 
any notes, there is a lot of sympathetic resonanance, making for a 
harmonically complicated and wet/reverby sound. Tuning tends to be 
idiosyncratic at best. You should be able to locate some samples 
online, yes?

Myles


-----Original Message-----
From: Ryk A. Groetchen <windrag at mac.com>
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 1:59 pm
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Toy pianos, etc.






Hi Matthew,

The Melissa & Doug toy piano is a nice sound. Intonation varies from
instrument to instrument and tends to be fair. It's easy to open up
and you could adjust the tuning slightly as necessary. The sound is
like created by hammers striking metal bars, like a Fender Rhodes.
Tuning is from middle C up two octaves. Lots of overtones of the 1st
and 2nd partials, especially in the lower octave.

<http://www.amazon.com/Melissa-and-Doug-Learn-To-Play-Piano/dp/B00020V59S

 >

Hope that helps. Have fun!

rag


On Dec 6, 2008, at 11:08 AM, Matthew Goodheart wrote:

> Hi Folks-
>
> I'm trying to figure out the right sound for a piece; I'm looking for
> some high toy-piano like sound to mix with the upper octave of the
> piano, though out-of-tune. I know very little about toy pianos, xyla-
> pianos, etc. Anyone got any info I can glean? I'm under deadline and
> can't necessarily go hunting around for the right instrument before
> the score is due.
>
> Thanks
> matthew
>
> Matthew Goodheart
> composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
> matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
> http://matthewgoodheart.com
> http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic






From jfheule at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 16:44:26 2008
From: jfheule at gmail.com (jacob felix heule)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 16:44:26 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] LA
Message-ID: <9c5cfa860812061644k257888bdhadbf56c187f24e29@mail.gmail.com>

any suggestions for people to contact (musicians & venues) about playing in
LA? i'm interested in more of an electro-acoustic improv/european free
improv thing than a free jazz thing, but lay it all out there if you know
something. i've always just played noise & rock shows down there, but i want
to branch out. basshaters is heading down (http://www.heule.us/basshaters/).

jacob

--
http://www.heule.us
http://www.myspace.com/jacobfelix
new album, Idea of West: http://www.heule.us/ideaofwest/

From jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com  Sat Dec  6 18:05:28 2008
From: jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com (Jacob Lindsay)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:05:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] LA
In-Reply-To: <9c5cfa860812061644k257888bdhadbf56c187f24e29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <756417.37991.qm@web58003.mail.re3.yahoo.com>

check jeremy drake and david rothbaum, i don't know if i still have their info but i bet someone does

Jacob Lindsay
http://www.bayimproviser.com/jacoblindsay


--- On Sat, 12/6/08, jacob felix heule <jfheule at gmail.com> wrote:

> From: jacob felix heule <jfheule at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NewMusic] LA
> To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
> Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 4:44 PM
> any suggestions for people to contact (musicians &
> venues) about playing in
> LA? i'm interested in more of an electro-acoustic
> improv/european free
> improv thing than a free jazz thing, but lay it all out
> there if you know
> something. i've always just played noise & rock
> shows down there, but i want
> to branch out. basshaters is heading down
> (http://www.heule.us/basshaters/).
> 
> jacob
> 
> --
> http://www.heule.us
> http://www.myspace.com/jacobfelix
> new album, Idea of West: http://www.heule.us/ideaofwest/
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


      

From ava.mendoza at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 18:49:32 2008
From: ava.mendoza at gmail.com (Ava Mendoza)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:49:32 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] LA
In-Reply-To: <756417.37991.qm@web58003.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
References: <9c5cfa860812061644k257888bdhadbf56c187f24e29@mail.gmail.com>
	<756417.37991.qm@web58003.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <317505170812061849s20efabd9ydca4e7456009379b@mail.gmail.com>

i think alex cline still runs a series down there in Eagle Rock too... don't
have contact info though..

ava

On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Jacob Lindsay <jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com>wrote:

> check jeremy drake and david rothbaum, i don't know if i still have their
> info but i bet someone does
>
> Jacob Lindsay
> http://www.bayimproviser.com/jacoblindsay
>
>
> --- On Sat, 12/6/08, jacob felix heule <jfheule at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > From: jacob felix heule <jfheule at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [NewMusic] LA
> > To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
> > Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 4:44 PM
>  > any suggestions for people to contact (musicians &
> > venues) about playing in
> > LA? i'm interested in more of an electro-acoustic
> > improv/european free
> > improv thing than a free jazz thing, but lay it all out
> > there if you know
> > something. i've always just played noise & rock
> > shows down there, but i want
> > to branch out. basshaters is heading down
> > (http://www.heule.us/basshaters/).
> >
> > jacob
> >
> > --
> > http://www.heule.us
> > http://www.myspace.com/jacobfelix
> > new album, Idea of West: http://www.heule.us/ideaofwest/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>



-- 
www.myspace.com/avamendoza
www.myspace.com/mutesocialite
http://www.bayimproviser.com/avamendoza

From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com  Sat Dec  6 18:56:37 2008
From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 18:56:37 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] LA
In-Reply-To: <317505170812061849s20efabd9ydca4e7456009379b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9c5cfa860812061644k257888bdhadbf56c187f24e29@mail.gmail.com>
	<756417.37991.qm@web58003.mail.re3.yahoo.com>
	<317505170812061849s20efabd9ydca4e7456009379b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3A63F7AD-7D89-4624-8F14-4A7CB9E0BAE1@matthewgoodheart.com>

I had a really bad experience there. Not Alex's fault at all- he's  
great! But the folks that run Eagle Rock never showed up to let us all  
in. . . so we ended up doing some bowed saw and cymbal duets on the  
street for those who showed up. . . So Alex may have moved the series;  
they really hadn't been treating him very well after all his work.  
Haven't talked to him since then, though. . maybe a year and something.

mg


On Dec 6, 2008, at 6:49 PM, Ava Mendoza wrote:

> i think alex cline still runs a series down there in Eagle Rock  
> too... don't
> have contact info though..
>
> ava
>
> On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Jacob Lindsay <jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com 
> >wrote:
>
>> check jeremy drake and david rothbaum, i don't know if i still have  
>> their
>> info but i bet someone does
>>
>> Jacob Lindsay
>> http://www.bayimproviser.com/jacoblindsay
>>
>>
>> --- On Sat, 12/6/08, jacob felix heule <jfheule at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> From: jacob felix heule <jfheule at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [NewMusic] LA
>>> To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
>>> Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 4:44 PM
>>> any suggestions for people to contact (musicians &
>>> venues) about playing in
>>> LA? i'm interested in more of an electro-acoustic
>>> improv/european free
>>> improv thing than a free jazz thing, but lay it all out
>>> there if you know
>>> something. i've always just played noise & rock
>>> shows down there, but i want
>>> to branch out. basshaters is heading down
>>> (http://www.heule.us/basshaters/).
>>>
>>> jacob
>>>
>>> --
>>> http://www.heule.us
>>> http://www.myspace.com/jacobfelix
>>> new album, Idea of West: http://www.heule.us/ideaofwest/
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> www.myspace.com/avamendoza
> www.myspace.com/mutesocialite
> http://www.bayimproviser.com/avamendoza
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

Matthew Goodheart
composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
http://matthewgoodheart.com
http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart





From highhorse at mhorse.com  Sun Dec  7 01:39:22 2008
From: highhorse at mhorse.com (Daryl Shawn)
Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 03:39:22 -0600
Subject: [NewMusic] LA
In-Reply-To: <9c5cfa860812061644k257888bdhadbf56c187f24e29@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9c5cfa860812061644k257888bdhadbf56c187f24e29@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493B99CA.7020401@mhorse.com>

There's a new place called The Wulf, very DIY and charming, in a sort of 
warehouse space in the middle of nowhere in LA. I saw Devin Sarno and 
Nels Cline do a great duet there last month, they have a very diverse 
calendar. I don't think there are any regular events there but they'd be 
worth approaching for a booking.

http://www.thewulf.org

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

> any suggestions for people to contact (musicians & venues) about playing in
> LA? i'm interested in more of an electro-acoustic improv/european free
> improv thing than a free jazz thing, but lay it all out there if you know
> something. i've always just played noise & rock shows down there, but i want
> to branch out. basshaters is heading down (http://www.heule.us/basshaters/).
>   


From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Sun Dec  7 01:52:23 2008
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 01:52:23 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] LA
In-Reply-To: <3A63F7AD-7D89-4624-8F14-4A7CB9E0BAE1@matthewgoodheart.com>
Message-ID: <652605.70191.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

i'm playing down there with alex cline (and perkis and noah philips) in february...it's still going strong. there was talk for a while about moving it or something...guess that blew over. it's kind of a difficult room because it's super live, but the electro-acoustic thing works well there, i think. the wind trio of alphaville had one of our best performances there. the money SUCKS...i've played there when the place was PACKED and alex handed me $20 at the end of the night...not sure how that works, and i don't ask anymore...i just assume i'm going to get fucked financially....wow, like that's something new for the books.

but it sounds like jacob is looking for something like [ open ], which is a series in long beach run by shea gower. i would pass on the contact, but my pc crashed and i still haven't been able to round up enough money to pay my computer guy to fix it...sorry...but ask around, see if you can find his contact info...that's a nice series.


--- On Sat, 12/6/08, Matthew Goodheart <matthew at matthewgoodheart.com> wrote:

> From: Matthew Goodheart <matthew at matthewgoodheart.com>
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] LA
> To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
> Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 6:56 PM
> I had a really bad experience there. Not Alex's fault at
> all- he's  
> great! But the folks that run Eagle Rock never showed up to
> let us all  
> in. . . so we ended up doing some bowed saw and cymbal
> duets on the  
> street for those who showed up. . . So Alex may have moved
> the series;  
> they really hadn't been treating him very well after
> all his work.  
> Haven't talked to him since then, though. . maybe a
> year and something.
> 
> mg
> 
> 
> On Dec 6, 2008, at 6:49 PM, Ava Mendoza wrote:
> 
> > i think alex cline still runs a series down there in
> Eagle Rock  
> > too... don't
> > have contact info though..
> >
> > ava
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 6:05 PM, Jacob Lindsay
> <jacobmakesnoise at yahoo.com 
> > >wrote:
> >
> >> check jeremy drake and david rothbaum, i don't
> know if i still have  
> >> their
> >> info but i bet someone does
> >>
> >> Jacob Lindsay
> >> http://www.bayimproviser.com/jacoblindsay
> >>
> >>
> >> --- On Sat, 12/6/08, jacob felix heule
> <jfheule at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> From: jacob felix heule
> <jfheule at gmail.com>
> >>> Subject: [NewMusic] LA
> >>> To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion
> Group" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
> >>> Date: Saturday, December 6, 2008, 4:44 PM
> >>> any suggestions for people to contact
> (musicians &
> >>> venues) about playing in
> >>> LA? i'm interested in more of an
> electro-acoustic
> >>> improv/european free
> >>> improv thing than a free jazz thing, but lay
> it all out
> >>> there if you know
> >>> something. i've always just played noise
> & rock
> >>> shows down there, but i want
> >>> to branch out. basshaters is heading down
> >>> (http://www.heule.us/basshaters/).
> >>>
> >>> jacob
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> http://www.heule.us
> >>> http://www.myspace.com/jacobfelix
> >>> new album, Idea of West:
> http://www.heule.us/ideaofwest/
> >>>
> _______________________________________________
> >>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> >>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> >>>
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> >> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> >> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > -- 
> > www.myspace.com/avamendoza
> > www.myspace.com/mutesocialite
> > http://www.bayimproviser.com/avamendoza
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> 
> Matthew Goodheart
> composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
> matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
> http://matthewgoodheart.com
> http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

From praemedia at yahoo.com  Sun Dec  7 13:32:40 2008
From: praemedia at yahoo.com (Praemedia)
Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 13:32:40 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] more free music in the world
Message-ID: <942374.91174.qm@web51612.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://www.metafilter.com/77201/Sweet-delicious-free-music

enjoy!

i like the teritum non data material myself.



      

From polly.moller at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 15:41:57 2008
From: polly.moller at gmail.com (Polly Moller)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 15:41:57 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] SF Girls Chorus DC bound for Obama's inauguration
Message-ID: <2eb068d40812081541i2c95dde3l2cf6864b82033d01@mail.gmail.com>

I'm proud to announce that the San Francisco Girls Chorus, for whom I write
grants (including $6,000 just awarded from the Aaron Copland Fund for this
year's commissions), has been invited to sing in Barack's inauguration
ceremony on January 20th.  Along with the SF Boys Chorus.  Yay!
P.

-- 
------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.myspace.com/pollymoller
------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.myspace.com/twistnomore
------------------------------------------------------------

From jon_raskin at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  8 17:59:42 2008
From: jon_raskin at yahoo.com (Jon Raskin)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:59:42 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] musiciancorps
Message-ID: <59CF2BB51C274752BB0DE3ADCA85920D@HP28718835617>

MusicianCorps 
Maybe some money to teach music in the bay area.  There is a Hewlett grant
associated with this.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97963041



From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Mon Dec  8 18:29:19 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 20:29:19 -0600
Subject: [NewMusic] Girls Chorus/MusicianCorps
Message-ID: <C56317FF.1A7F4%Gino.Robair@penton.com>

Congrats, Polly! What a great honor for the group. And it's wonderful that
there is still arts funding for young people, and that the SFGC has so many
caring adults to make it happen (as well as a sharp grant writer!)

And thanks for the heads up on MusicianCorps, Jon. What a concept!


From djll at sonic.net  Mon Dec  8 22:11:54 2008
From: djll at sonic.net (Tom Dill)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:11:54 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] NewMusic Digest, Vol 32, Issue 7
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1228798804.15144.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
References: <mailman.1.1228798804.15144.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <2A25EBF1-23FB-4AD6-9987-3F8A2CA0C439@sonic.net>

I used to work with this guy Gallagher at Odwalla, ten years ago.  
He'd already been through Clinton's team at that point. His name used  
to be just plain Chris. I hope his idea gets somewhere.

td

On Dec 8, 2008, at 9:00 PM, newmusic-request at music.mills.edu wrote:

> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 17:59:42 -0800
> From: "Jon Raskin" <jon_raskin at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [NewMusic] musiciancorps
> To: "'Bay Area New Music Discussion Group'" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
> Message-ID: <59CF2BB51C274752BB0DE3ADCA85920D at HP28718835617>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="US-ASCII"
>
> MusicianCorps
> Maybe some money to teach music in the bay area.  There is a  
> Hewlett grant
> associated with this.
>
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97963041


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From letucepry at yahoo.com  Mon Dec  8 22:13:28 2008
From: letucepry at yahoo.com (Ron Lettuce)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:13:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] musiciancorps (sausage content imminent)
References: <59CF2BB51C274752BB0DE3ADCA85920D@HP28718835617>
Message-ID: <150430.13897.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>



Screw that, you can make a LOT more money from Bar-B-Qued sausage, and lottery tickets...

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081209/ap_on_fe_st/odd_nagged_husband_6





lettuce



________________________________
From: Jon Raskin <jon_raskin at yahoo.com>
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Monday, December 8, 2008 6:59:42 PM
Subject: [NewMusic] musiciancorps

MusicianCorps 
Maybe some money to teach music in the bay area.? There is a Hewlett grant
associated with this.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=97963041


_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

From polly.moller at gmail.com  Mon Dec  8 22:16:34 2008
From: polly.moller at gmail.com (Polly Moller)
Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 22:16:34 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] musiciancorps (sausage content imminent)
In-Reply-To: <150430.13897.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <59CF2BB51C274752BB0DE3ADCA85920D@HP28718835617>
	<150430.13897.qm@web54306.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2eb068d40812082216v51fbf47bmb829f648decaff5a@mail.gmail.com>

Nowadays I am slicing up the Tofurkey Italian sausage into the ramen.
P.

On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Ron Lettuce <letucepry at yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
> Screw that, you can make a LOT more money from Bar-B-Qued sausage, and
> lottery tickets...
>
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081209/ap_on_fe_st/odd_nagged_husband_6
>
>
>
>
>
> lettuce
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Jon Raskin <jon_raskin at yahoo.com>
> To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
> Sent: Monday, December 8, 2008 6:59:42 PM
> Subject: [NewMusic] musiciancorps
>
> MusicianCorps
> Maybe some money to teach music in the bay area.  There is a Hewlett grant
> associated with this.
>
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId?963041
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>



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From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Tue Dec  9 10:11:59 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2008 12:11:59 -0600
Subject: [NewMusic] Tofu  (holiday feasts w/o beasts)
Message-ID: <C563F4EF.1A839%Gino.Robair@penton.com>

Polly schreib: 
<<Nowadays I am slicing up the Tofurkey Italian sausage into the ramen.
P.>>

My office is planning a holiday party meal that uses variously sized tofu to
simulate the deep-fried, multi-beast meal: we're calling it turfucken.


From 21grand at 21grand.org  Tue Dec  9 10:20:11 2008
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 10:20:11 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Tofu  (holiday feasts w/o beasts)
In-Reply-To: <C563F4EF.1A839%Gino.Robair@penton.com>
Message-ID: <C563F6DB.289B2%21grand@21grand.org>

on 12/9/08 10:11 AM, Robair, Gino at Gino.Robair at penton.com wrote:

> Polly schreib: 
> <<Nowadays I am slicing up the Tofurkey Italian sausage into the ramen.
> P.>>
> 
> My office is planning a holiday party meal that uses variously sized tofu to
> simulate the deep-fried, multi-beast meal: we're calling it turfucken.
> 
Why? Is half the office going to get fired?

sl



From r8string at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 09:25:47 2008
From: r8string at gmail.com (Ron Thompson)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:25:47 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Elliott Carter
Message-ID: <92232ec80812110925i5e75571bi1b4d006c07489b67@mail.gmail.com>

Today is Mr. Carter's 100th birthday to which he has written a celebration
piece for himself.  Attached article is a small appreciation.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iyHXhW73CzIaCjaGtALhwdK3QaEQ
For those of you who might have seen Kosman's piece on the past weekends
performances of the String Quartet Cycle and the Piano Works, Kosman didn't
seem to get it.  I will give him credit for acknowledging not getting it,
but it'd be nice to have a concert reviewed by someone versed on the musical
language.
I stressed to Mr. Kosman that Mr. Carter's music, especially his piano music
was very influenced not only by Ives and Scriabin and indirectly Beethoven,
but also by Art Tatum. I've heard Mr. Carter on a number of occasions speak
of his love of and deep impressions made by Art Tatum when he saw him
perform and or listened to his recordings.
There's an oral history record that Columbia put out in a box set in 1974 on
the centenary of Charles Ives' birth that has may people who were still
living at the time discuss Ives and his impact on them.  Carter is one of
those people, and he talks about Mr. Ives and his impact on him but also
about his wondering when Ives gave his pieces their last "dose" of
dissonance.  At one point Bernard Herrmann talks about discussing the 2nd
String Quartet with Ives and Ives said he wanted to "give em a workout".  I
think Carter assimilated this, not so much in "giving musicians a workout",
 but challenging them to acheive something more meaningful.  My first
impressions on hearing Carter when I was 21 years old was that the music,
especially the more recent pieces, (now 30 years worth), sounded improvised
in that the pieces flowed in a more natural way.  Only later did I learn
about the rhythmic modulation that he uses etc.
His work continues to amaze me and provides me with no end of joy to hear.
Recent pieces released on Naxos in celebration of his birthday are very
interesting and in their way very beautiful.
I certainly want to wish Mr. Carter a very happy birthday and list some
pieces that I think are worthwhile procuring, either thru emusic or Amoeba
or other providers.
1.  Symphony No. 1 (Americanized Mid Century Style before his mature style
10 years later.  Still has the Carter stamp of detail and thoughtfulness)
2.  Double Concerto For Piano and Harpsichord - His first real masterwork in
my opinion
3.  String Quartet No. 3 - a glorious mess of a composition where the
quartet is divided into two independent duos playing at different tempos and
in a different realm altogether.
4.  Triple Duo - in my opinion the most "improvised" sounding ensemble piece
he has written
5.  String Quartet No. 5 - mature, fully formed, elegant
6.  Clarinet Concerto - written for Heinz Holliger, challenging but
impressive in many ways.

Peace,

Ron Thompson

From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com  Thu Dec 11 09:35:37 2008
From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:35:37 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Elliott Carter
In-Reply-To: <92232ec80812110925i5e75571bi1b4d006c07489b67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <92232ec80812110925i5e75571bi1b4d006c07489b67@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <681C1D52-688C-4F20-AD8E-5DB11C717A98@matthewgoodheart.com>

Excellent. . . 100 years of metric modulation, unbelievable.

I love your list, though I'd have to add the Sonata for Cello and  
Piano (1948).

mg


On Dec 11, 2008, at 9:25 AM, Ron Thompson wrote:

> Today is Mr. Carter's 100th birthday to which he has written a  
> celebration
> piece for himself.  Attached article is a small appreciation.
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iyHXhW73CzIaCjaGtALhwdK3QaEQ
> For those of you who might have seen Kosman's piece on the past  
> weekends
> performances of the String Quartet Cycle and the Piano Works, Kosman  
> didn't
> seem to get it.  I will give him credit for acknowledging not  
> getting it,
> but it'd be nice to have a concert reviewed by someone versed on the  
> musical
> language.
> I stressed to Mr. Kosman that Mr. Carter's music, especially his  
> piano music
> was very influenced not only by Ives and Scriabin and indirectly  
> Beethoven,
> but also by Art Tatum. I've heard Mr. Carter on a number of  
> occasions speak
> of his love of and deep impressions made by Art Tatum when he saw him
> perform and or listened to his recordings.
> There's an oral history record that Columbia put out in a box set in  
> 1974 on
> the centenary of Charles Ives' birth that has may people who were  
> still
> living at the time discuss Ives and his impact on them.  Carter is  
> one of
> those people, and he talks about Mr. Ives and his impact on him but  
> also
> about his wondering when Ives gave his pieces their last "dose" of
> dissonance.  At one point Bernard Herrmann talks about discussing  
> the 2nd
> String Quartet with Ives and Ives said he wanted to "give em a  
> workout".  I
> think Carter assimilated this, not so much in "giving musicians a  
> workout",
> but challenging them to acheive something more meaningful.  My first
> impressions on hearing Carter when I was 21 years old was that the  
> music,
> especially the more recent pieces, (now 30 years worth), sounded  
> improvised
> in that the pieces flowed in a more natural way.  Only later did I  
> learn
> about the rhythmic modulation that he uses etc.
> His work continues to amaze me and provides me with no end of joy to  
> hear.
> Recent pieces released on Naxos in celebration of his birthday are  
> very
> interesting and in their way very beautiful.
> I certainly want to wish Mr. Carter a very happy birthday and list  
> some
> pieces that I think are worthwhile procuring, either thru emusic or  
> Amoeba
> or other providers.
> 1.  Symphony No. 1 (Americanized Mid Century Style before his mature  
> style
> 10 years later.  Still has the Carter stamp of detail and  
> thoughtfulness)
> 2.  Double Concerto For Piano and Harpsichord - His first real  
> masterwork in
> my opinion
> 3.  String Quartet No. 3 - a glorious mess of a composition where the
> quartet is divided into two independent duos playing at different  
> tempos and
> in a different realm altogether.
> 4.  Triple Duo - in my opinion the most "improvised" sounding  
> ensemble piece
> he has written
> 5.  String Quartet No. 5 - mature, fully formed, elegant
> 6.  Clarinet Concerto - written for Heinz Holliger, challenging but
> impressive in many ways.
>
> Peace,
>
> Ron Thompson
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

Matthew Goodheart
composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
http://matthewgoodheart.com
http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart





From r8string at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 10:12:56 2008
From: r8string at gmail.com (Ron Thompson)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:12:56 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Elliott Carter
In-Reply-To: <681C1D52-688C-4F20-AD8E-5DB11C717A98@matthewgoodheart.com>
References: <92232ec80812110925i5e75571bi1b4d006c07489b67@mail.gmail.com>
	<681C1D52-688C-4F20-AD8E-5DB11C717A98@matthewgoodheart.com>
Message-ID: <92232ec80812111012x3f07b46dv2e0e0a0d0a24943@mail.gmail.com>

Good point!  The piece is amazingly intense, especially that whole
"clockwork" type of start that the piano does with the cello.  I didn't have
many big orchestral pieces on there.  Some of those, I'm still digesting and
trying to understand better.  I have the scores for the Piano Concerto and
the Variations for Orchestra.  There's alot of information there, alot to
digest.
Anyone else have favorite pieces by Mr. Carter?

Ron

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:35 AM, Matthew Goodheart <
matthew at matthewgoodheart.com> wrote:

> Excellent. . . 100 years of metric modulation, unbelievable.
>
> I love your list, though I'd have to add the Sonata for Cello and
> Piano (1948).
>
> mg
>
>
> On Dec 11, 2008, at 9:25 AM, Ron Thompson wrote:
>
> > Today is Mr. Carter's 100th birthday to which he has written a
> > celebration
> > piece for himself.  Attached article is a small appreciation.
> >
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iyHXhW73CzIaCjaGtALhwdK3QaEQ
> > For those of you who might have seen Kosman's piece on the past
> > weekends
> > performances of the String Quartet Cycle and the Piano Works, Kosman
> > didn't
> > seem to get it.  I will give him credit for acknowledging not
> > getting it,
> > but it'd be nice to have a concert reviewed by someone versed on the
> > musical
> > language.
> > I stressed to Mr. Kosman that Mr. Carter's music, especially his
> > piano music
> > was very influenced not only by Ives and Scriabin and indirectly
> > Beethoven,
> > but also by Art Tatum. I've heard Mr. Carter on a number of
> > occasions speak
> > of his love of and deep impressions made by Art Tatum when he saw him
> > perform and or listened to his recordings.
> > There's an oral history record that Columbia put out in a box set in
> > 1974 on
> > the centenary of Charles Ives' birth that has may people who were
> > still
> > living at the time discuss Ives and his impact on them.  Carter is
> > one of
> > those people, and he talks about Mr. Ives and his impact on him but
> > also
> > about his wondering when Ives gave his pieces their last "dose" of
> > dissonance.  At one point Bernard Herrmann talks about discussing
> > the 2nd
> > String Quartet with Ives and Ives said he wanted to "give em a
> > workout".  I
> > think Carter assimilated this, not so much in "giving musicians a
> > workout",
> > but challenging them to acheive something more meaningful.  My first
> > impressions on hearing Carter when I was 21 years old was that the
> > music,
> > especially the more recent pieces, (now 30 years worth), sounded
> > improvised
> > in that the pieces flowed in a more natural way.  Only later did I
> > learn
> > about the rhythmic modulation that he uses etc.
> > His work continues to amaze me and provides me with no end of joy to
> > hear.
> > Recent pieces released on Naxos in celebration of his birthday are
> > very
> > interesting and in their way very beautiful.
> > I certainly want to wish Mr. Carter a very happy birthday and list
> > some
> > pieces that I think are worthwhile procuring, either thru emusic or
> > Amoeba
> > or other providers.
> > 1.  Symphony No. 1 (Americanized Mid Century Style before his mature
> > style
> > 10 years later.  Still has the Carter stamp of detail and
> > thoughtfulness)
> > 2.  Double Concerto For Piano and Harpsichord - His first real
> > masterwork in
> > my opinion
> > 3.  String Quartet No. 3 - a glorious mess of a composition where the
> > quartet is divided into two independent duos playing at different
> > tempos and
> > in a different realm altogether.
> > 4.  Triple Duo - in my opinion the most "improvised" sounding
> > ensemble piece
> > he has written
> > 5.  String Quartet No. 5 - mature, fully formed, elegant
> > 6.  Clarinet Concerto - written for Heinz Holliger, challenging but
> > impressive in many ways.
> >
> > Peace,
> >
> > Ron Thompson
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
> Matthew Goodheart
> composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
> matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
> http://matthewgoodheart.com
> http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From ingalls at mills.edu  Thu Dec 11 10:18:05 2008
From: ingalls at mills.edu (Matt Ingalls)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:18:05 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Elliott Carter
In-Reply-To: <92232ec80812110925i5e75571bi1b4d006c07489b67@mail.gmail.com>
References: <92232ec80812110925i5e75571bi1b4d006c07489b67@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F81D56F650769E4587383FDD7DE82629067FA825@EXCHANGE02.mills.edu>

>Kosman didn't seem to get it.

and that's a surprise to you?  :)  it seems like his reviews are always the *exact* opposite of my impression of the concert.


> but also by Art Tatum. I've heard Mr. Carter on a number of occasions speak

yeah- his music always sounded closer to improv to me than ives too -- i accidentally came across carter on tv last night on charlie rose and he did mention jazz being his biggest influence.  seeing him there, lucent and enthusiastic and so modest (esp. compared to daniel bang-n-boom sitting next to him) was pretty inspiring..

> 4.  Triple Duo - in my opinion the most "improvised" sounding ensemble piece

FYI - sfSound is playing this piece (along with Tempi e Tempi) @ sfState on Feb 7th
(Harvey Sollberger conducting)



From matt at sfsound.org  Thu Dec 11 10:41:09 2008
From: matt at sfsound.org (matt)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 10:41:09 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: SFCMP seeks new Executive Director
References: <1102364187448.1101895940444.1781.8.1011006C@scheduler>
Message-ID: <F3CDDC89-FE03-464D-BD2D-7F2884503885@sfsound.org>



Begin forwarded message:

> From: San Francisco Contemporary Music Players <cblanding at sfcmp.org>
> Date: December 11, 2008 8:01:28 AM PST
> To: series at sfsound.org
> Subject: SFCMP seeks new Executive Director
> Reply-To: cblanding at sfcmp.org
>
> Dear Colleague,
>
> The San Francisco Contemporary Music Players is seeking a new  
> executive Director to replace our current Director, Adam Frey, who  
> will be leaving in 2009 after 18 years of service. A position  
> announcement is pasted below.
>
> Sincerely,
> Carrie Blanding
> Director of Operations and Marketing
>
> San Francisco Contemporary Music Players
> Executive Director Position
>
> Organization
> Now in its thirty-eighth year, the San Francisco Contemporary Music  
> Players is an internationally recognized leader among advocates for  
> contemporary chamber music.  The ensemble attracts and engages  
> audiences through concert events and nourishes the creation and  
> dissemination of new music through commissioning, recording, and  
> educational outreach to students and adults.   A ten-time winner of  
> the national ASCAP/Chamber Music America Award for Adventurous  
> Programming, the group has commissioned 67 pieces, played over 1100  
> contemporary works, and made twenty recordings.   It offers an  
> annual subscription concert series based at the Yerba Buena Center  
> for the Arts.
>
> Requirements
> Five or more years of management experience in arts and nonprofit  
> administration, including demonstrated success in fundraising, both  
> institutional and individual, and in financial and human resource  
> management.  Preferred skills include music literacy, especially the  
> ability to study a score and identify the logistical challenges  
> implied, and knowledge of contemporary chamber music practices and  
> repertoire.
>
> Position Description
> The Executive Director manages the human, financial, and property  
> resources of the San Francisco Contemporary Music Players and is  
> accountable for all aspects of the organization.  The Executive  
> Director reports to the Board through the Board President and works  
> closely with the Music Director.  The organization's annual budget  
> averages about $400,000.
>
> Key areas of focus include strategic planning, Board relations,  
> fundraising, artistic administration, concert production, marketing,  
> financial budgeting and control, ensuring compliance with applicable  
> laws, recruitment and supervision of staff, and coordinating the  
> relationship with the ensemble's member musicians.
>
> The Executive Director supervises a full-time Director of Operations  
> and Marketing and a half-time Project Developer/Grantwriter.
> Full time position
>
> Salary range: $65,000 - $80,000 depending on experience
> Excellent benefits
> www.sfcmp.org
>
> Please send cover letter, resume, and contact information for three  
> or more references to SFCMP Search Committee, search at sfcmp.org.    
> Please attach PDF or DOC files only and please mention that you saw  
> the position announcement in our email from December 11.
>
>
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From r8string at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 11:26:52 2008
From: r8string at gmail.com (Ron Thompson)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:26:52 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Elliott Carter
In-Reply-To: <F81D56F650769E4587383FDD7DE82629067FA825@EXCHANGE02.mills.edu>
References: <92232ec80812110925i5e75571bi1b4d006c07489b67@mail.gmail.com>
	<F81D56F650769E4587383FDD7DE82629067FA825@EXCHANGE02.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <92232ec80812111126w296ebf2aw5f55bc5d62639ae8@mail.gmail.com>

I guess I should say disappointed more than surprised....I find Mr. Carter's
music to be delightful.
His lucidity is amazing.  Seeing him in the Labyrinth of TIme film that
Frank Sheffer did, watching him and listening to his commentary and
discussion with various players about what they were doing and the nuanced
nature of what he was looking for in their playing of certain passages was
astonishing to me.
Also there is a scene where he's walking up a significant flight of stairs
in NY that would give me at least cause to be grasping for some air by the
time I got to the top.  Inspiring....

Thanks for the heads up about the Triple Duo.

Ron

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Matt Ingalls <ingalls at mills.edu> wrote:

> >Kosman didn't seem to get it.
>
> and that's a surprise to you?  :)  it seems like his reviews are always the
> *exact* opposite of my impression of the concert.
>
>
> > but also by Art Tatum. I've heard Mr. Carter on a number of occasions
> speak
>
> yeah- his music always sounded closer to improv to me than ives too -- i
> accidentally came across carter on tv last night on charlie rose and he did
> mention jazz being his biggest influence.  seeing him there, lucent and
> enthusiastic and so modest (esp. compared to daniel bang-n-boom sitting next
> to him) was pretty inspiring..
>
> > 4.  Triple Duo - in my opinion the most "improvised" sounding ensemble
> piece
>
> FYI - sfSound is playing this piece (along with Tempi e Tempi) @ sfState on
> Feb 7th
> (Harvey Sollberger conducting)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From weaselw at juno.com  Thu Dec 11 11:58:17 2008
From: weaselw at juno.com (weasel walter)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:58:17 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Elliott Carter
Message-ID: <20081211.120048.1404.292.weaselw@juno.com>

my personal favorite is the double concerto for harpsichord and piano.
the greatest free jazz ever written.

i saw the string quartet performance and it was pretty amazing. like
being punched in the face for two hours straight. 

that's a good thing.

ww
 
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008 09:35:37 -0800 Matthew Goodheart
<matthew at matthewgoodheart.com> writes:
> Excellent. . . 100 years of metric modulation, unbelievable.
> 
> I love your list, though I'd have to add the Sonata for Cello and  
> Piano (1948).
> 
> mg

____________________________________________________________
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From mhenry at crypticstudios.com  Thu Dec 11 21:40:23 2008
From: mhenry at crypticstudios.com (Michael Henry)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:40:23 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Elliott Carter
Message-ID: <C73CE12E0E2E6D4AA8C97475050023A60FE9004665@proserpine.paragon.crypticstudios.com>

Ron Thompson wrote:

> 6.  Clarinet Concerto - written for Heinz Holliger, challenging but impressive in many ways.

While is is indeed challenging, the Clarinet Concerto was written for Alain Damiens, the virtuoso clarinetist of the Ensemble InterContemporain. Heinz is an oboist and composer.. Carter did indeed write achallenging Oboe Concerto for him. ;-)

The NYT just posted a feature on his Carnegie Hall 100th birthday outing:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/12/arts/music/12carter.html?_r=1&hp

( I had to chuckle when I read the following):

With the interviewer out of the apartment, Mr. Carter was heard on the other side of the door saying to an aide, ?I?ve got to rest a little after this nonsense.?

-MH

From mhenry at crypticstudios.com  Thu Dec 11 21:48:49 2008
From: mhenry at crypticstudios.com (Michael Henry)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 21:48:49 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Elliot Carter (addendum)
Message-ID: <C73CE12E0E2E6D4AA8C97475050023A60FE9004666@proserpine.paragon.crypticstudios.com>

> Mr. Carter was heard on the other side of the door saying to an aide, ?I?ve got to rest a little after this nonsense.?

Mr. Carter's sentiments are exactly how I feel after reading one of Kosman's scribblings.

I always feel like I must lie down and rest because I become nauseous after reading his "nonsense" reviews.

-MH

From r8string at gmail.com  Thu Dec 11 22:06:21 2008
From: r8string at gmail.com (Ron Thompson)
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 22:06:21 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Elliott Carter
In-Reply-To: <C73CE12E0E2E6D4AA8C97475050023A60FE9004665@proserpine.paragon.crypticstudios.com>
References: <C73CE12E0E2E6D4AA8C97475050023A60FE9004665@proserpine.paragon.crypticstudios.com>
Message-ID: <92232ec80812112206o71166b83h461434d016e535aa@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the correction......I actually do know that.....but sometimes I
get a little fuzzy

Ron

On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Michael Henry <mhenry at crypticstudios.com>wrote:

> Ron Thompson wrote:
>
> > 6.  Clarinet Concerto - written for Heinz Holliger, challenging but
> impressive in many ways.
>
> While is is indeed challenging, the Clarinet Concerto was written for Alain
> Damiens, the virtuoso clarinetist of the Ensemble InterContemporain. Heinz
> is an oboist and composer.. Carter did indeed write achallenging Oboe
> Concerto for him. ;-)
>
> The NYT just posted a feature on his Carnegie Hall 100th birthday outing:
>
> http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/12/arts/music/12carter.html?_r1&hp
>
> ( I had to chuckle when I read the following):
>
> With the interviewer out of the apartment, Mr. Carter was heard on the
> other side of the door saying to an aide, "I've got to rest a little after
> this nonsense."
>
> -MH
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From henrykuntz at comcast.net  Fri Dec 12 12:05:52 2008
From: henrykuntz at comcast.net (Henry Kuntz)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:05:52 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] "Fresh Sounds from the Bay"
Message-ID: <002b01c95c95$094c5610$1be50230$@net>

Hello Folks,

While in Mexico in November, I had a chance to write about some Bay Area
music. You can read "Fresh Sounds from the Bay" at

www.henrykuntz.free-jazz.net

There's also a new MP3 of mine "DreamSong 2" with voice & saxophone,
Javanese gamelan, violin, and wood xylophones at the "Henry Kuntz Bio &
Audio" link at

http://henrykuntz.free-jazz.net/about/

Cheers for the Holidays!

Henry

 


From djcypod at gmail.com  Fri Dec 12 21:15:15 2008
From: djcypod at gmail.com (beau)
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 21:15:15 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic]  Post-Grad study at SIAL Sound Studios,
	Melbourne Australia
Message-ID: <fc5507fa0812122115r2b8ec3e3sc3deadfbcb9346bd@mail.gmail.com>

Postgraduate study in spatial sound ? SIAL Sound Studios, RMIT University

SIAL Sound Studios, RMIT University are accepting applications for
postgraduate research by project as part of two research streams;
spatial composition and performance and urban soundscape design and
research. Applications are now being accepted for fee-paying
postgraduates to commence in 2009.

Critical dates;
Enquirries until 22 Dec 2008
Applications due 23 Jan 2009
Notification 30 Jan 2009
Enrollment by 30 March 2009

The SIAL Studios are based in RMIT University's Spatial Information
Architecture Laboratory, which is part of the School of Architecture
and Design. SIAL is a facility for innovation in transdisciplinary
design research and education. It embraces a broad range of
investigative modes, involving both highly speculative and industry
linked projects. SIAL is concerned with the integration of technical,
theoretical and social concerns as part of its innovation agenda.
High-end computing, modeling and communication tools associated with
disparate disciplines are combined with traditional production
techniques. Researchers are engaged in a wide variety of projects that
collaboratively disturb artificial distinctions between the physical
and virtual, digital and analogue, scientific and artistic,
instrumental and philosophical. While relevant research involves an
extensive breadth of technological developments in areas such as
Multimedia, Soundscape Systems, Mechatronics, Computer Graphics and
Interfaces, Materials technology, Manufacturing processes,
Collaborative Virtual Environments, Animation, Computer Games, Virtual
Reality Facilities, GIS and on-line environments, SIAL does not focus
on any of these systems or realms of technology per se. Rather, it
interrogates the relationships these areas foster for
cross-disciplinary production.

Application requirements
Applicants will have undergraduate or Masters qualifications in music
composition or performance, electroacoustic music, sound design or
other design disciplines.

Applicants should first send a draft research topic ? 1 x A4 page.

Details of application process are available here;
http://www.rmit.edu.au/browse;ID=nxqw9kmc6lzg

Fees for Masters or PhD are AUD18,720 per year.

The research environment
The research environment of the SIAL Sound Studios is open to
postgraduates from design, architecture, music and sound backgrounds.
Applicants must have intermediate to advanced skills in studio
production to realize their projects. Researchers within the Studios
are internationally recognized for their contributions to sound
design, electroacoustic performance practice, acoustic ecology and
design research. Post-graduate supervision is activated through weekly
meetings, industry projects, local and commonwealth funded research,
the Studio's seminar series, and the Graduate Research Conference.

The research environment is primarily articulated through
practice-based research. Opportunities for postgraduates to realise
projects in the public domain are being developed, including access to
Melbourne's large-scale urban soundscape systems, smaller university
soundscape systems, and spatial performances using the Studio's
32-channel sound diffusion system.

The Postgraduates will contribute to the larger projects through
discrete projects of their own research. Design projects should
address, but not be limited to:

-spatialized performance/electroacoustic performance practize
-Urban soundscape designs for multi-channel systems
-Evaluating urban soundscape designs and urban soundscape planning models
-Software projects for spatialized performance, installations or gesture control
-Analysis of contemporary spatial compositions and installation practice
-integrating 3D design softwares within spatial sound design


Contact: lawrence.harvey at rmit.edu.au
         sialsoundstudios at rmit.edu.au

Web: www.sial.rmit.edu.au

From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Tue Dec 16 11:00:22 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 13:00:22 -0600
Subject: [NewMusic] Ludwig Van and the CD
Message-ID: <C56D3AC6.1AE6B%Gino.Robair@penton.com>

So much urban legend to sort through, but fun nonetheless:
http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2008/12/dayintech_1216


From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Wed Dec 17 12:35:34 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:35:34 -0600
Subject: [NewMusic] Musical Knickers in Syria
Message-ID: <C56EA296.1AF4B%Gino.Robair@penton.com>

Not just the name of a noise band, but the real deal:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7786564.stm


From djll at sonic.net  Wed Dec 17 19:55:14 2008
From: djll at sonic.net (Tom Dill)
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 19:55:14 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: For *your name here*
References: <20081218405139AMUNIQUEID@1234567890-1234>
Message-ID: <52E82CBD-E119-4D37-A614-EDE5218394F6@sonic.net>

Anybody know if this is a scam or legit? I'm assuming some of you here  
got a message like it...

thanks -- td

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Nickolay Carmanow <musicalcollege at mtu-net.ru>
> Date: December 17, 2008 5:00:51 PM PST
> To: djll at sonic.net
> Subject: For Tom Djll
>
>
>
>
> Dear Tom Djll,
>
> I am writing to you on behalf of the teachers? council of our Moscow  
> Musical College after finding your e-mail address at the Bay Area  
> Improvisers Network.
>
> For more than 15 years we have been providing music training for  
> children from 5 to 14 years of age. Unfortunately, because of the  
> poor economic situation that has prevailed for a long time in  
> Russia, we have received only minimal support from the Moscow  
> government?s federal budget.
>
> I would like to explain that we do not collect any tuition fees from  
> the students at our college, otherwise the majority of parents would  
> not be able to afford their children?s tuition. Consequently, it is  
> becoming increasingly difficult to continue with this very  
> worthwhile enterprise. Furthermore, when it comes to the matter of  
> teaching materials, the situation is little short of catastrophic,  
> particularly with regard to sound materials.
>
> We would be extremely grateful if you could send us any recordings  
> of music on CDs, DVDs or LPs, even if their boxes are damaged.
>
> YOUR HELP IS NECESSARY TO US!
>
> Yours faithfully and hoping for your help,
>
> Nickolay Carmanow,
> Director.
>
> Moscow Musical College
> 39-5-25, 3-Barkovaya street
> 105037, Moscow
> Russian Federation
>
> Phone: 7-985-366-6917
>
> E-mail 1: MusicalCollege at mtu-net.ru
> E-mail 2: MusicalCollege at bk.ru
>
> Web: http://MusicalCollege.narod.ru
>
>


From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Thu Dec 18 11:07:00 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 13:07:00 -0600
Subject: [NewMusic] Time Travel, anyone?
In-Reply-To: <121820081534.3988.494A6D9C000A7A9900000F9422070216339C0201019B010B079AB9@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <C56FDF54.1B006%Gino.Robair@penton.com>


http://anchorage.craigslist.org/lbg/948144351.html

I'd sign up but the two fatalities has me a bit worried....



From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 15:43:57 2008
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:43:57 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Boston venues?
Message-ID: <c70e517b0812181543n76669f2fi22859aa32d9bb23c@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I'm in the early phases of booking a tour. I always like to try to play in
Boston, because I have family & friends in the area. However, my experience
so far suggests that all the weird music venues there charge a space-rental
fee, and nobody comes out to shows. Is there simply not an
audience/community out there?

Matt Davignon

From jfheule at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 15:53:14 2008
From: jfheule at gmail.com (jacob felix heule)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:53:14 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Boston venues?
In-Reply-To: <c70e517b0812181543n76669f2fi22859aa32d9bb23c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c70e517b0812181543n76669f2fi22859aa32d9bb23c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9c5cfa860812181553g6a055f9bqd0eac5c135d7a247@mail.gmail.com>

Greg Kelley <greyelkgel at yahoo.com> helped Ettrick & Tony Dryer set up
a show at PA's Lounge. Small attendance, weird venue, but fun.

Howard Stelzer <hstelzer at gmail.com>, who was just out here in the Bay,
let me sleep on his couch once. He apparently books quieter
experimental shows, which was never suitable for Ettrick, but might be
up your alley.

And Jorrit Dijkstra <post at jorritdijkstra.com> is out there as well.

Hope this helps,

jacob
--
http://www.heule.us
http://www.myspace.com/jacobfelix
new album, Idea of West: http://www.heule.us/ideaofwest/



On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm in the early phases of booking a tour. I always like to try to play in
> Boston, because I have family & friends in the area. However, my experience
> so far suggests that all the weird music venues there charge a space-rental
> fee, and nobody comes out to shows. Is there simply not an
> audience/community out there?
>
> Matt Davignon
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From djmoderne at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 15:53:13 2008
From: djmoderne at gmail.com (Ken Ueno)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:53:13 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Boston venues?
In-Reply-To: <c70e517b0812181543n76669f2fi22859aa32d9bb23c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c70e517b0812181543n76669f2fi22859aa32d9bb23c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <13ddbfd10812181553t7999caa3q530117d6934045c8@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Matt,

Having relocated recently from Boston, I can fill you in.  There's a healthy
scene for experimental improv out in Boston.  It's true that we had problems
with venues and, sometimes, audiences coming out to the shows, but there are
cools peeps out there - the BSC, undr, and my group, Onda.

Lou Bunk and Lou Cohen run a cool series out there call OpenSound.   Write
them: "Lou Bunk" <loubunk at yahoo.com>, "Lou Cohen" <loucohen at jolc.net>

Andy McWain runs a series in New Bedford, MA: Andy McWain" <
amcwain at umassd.edu>

I'm thinking of starting a monthly series at CNMAT.  Would this be a good
thing to do here?

All the best,

Ken

Ken Ueno, Ph.D., FAAR '07
Assistant Professor, UC Berkeley
http://www.kenueno.com

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon at gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I'm in the early phases of booking a tour. I always like to try to play in
> Boston, because I have family & friends in the area. However, my experience
> so far suggests that all the weird music venues there charge a space-rental
> fee, and nobody comes out to shows. Is there simply not an
> audience/community out there?
>
> Matt Davignon
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 16:03:46 2008
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:03:46 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Boston venues?
In-Reply-To: <13ddbfd10812181553t7999caa3q530117d6934045c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c70e517b0812181543n76669f2fi22859aa32d9bb23c@mail.gmail.com>
	<13ddbfd10812181553t7999caa3q530117d6934045c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c70e517b0812181603h693f2424l1df6049764bbf3aa@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks for the info, Ken and Jacob, I shall follow up with those leads.

Welcome to the Bay Area! I encourage you to start up a series. Does CNMAT
already have one? I've been to a few shows there. As one of the bay area's
carless people, I tend to hope series will be near public transit,
especially within a mile or so of Bart.

However small audiences are common here as well, despite the large
community. You can find most of the shows & current venues at:
www.bayimproviser.com

Matt


On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Ken Ueno <djmoderne at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Matt,
>
> Having relocated recently from Boston, I can fill you in.  There's a
> healthy
> scene for experimental improv out in Boston.  It's true that we had
> problems
> with venues and, sometimes, audiences coming out to the shows, but there
> are
> cools peeps out there - the BSC, undr, and my group, Onda.
>
> Lou Bunk and Lou Cohen run a cool series out there call OpenSound.   Write
> them: "Lou Bunk" <loubunk at yahoo.com>, "Lou Cohen" <loucohen at jolc.net>
>
> Andy McWain runs a series in New Bedford, MA: Andy McWain" <
> amcwain at umassd.edu>
>
> I'm thinking of starting a monthly series at CNMAT.  Would this be a good
> thing to do here?
>
> All the best,
>
> Ken
>
> Ken Ueno, Ph.D., FAAR '07
> Assistant Professor, UC Berkeley
> http://www.kenueno.com
>
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I'm in the early phases of booking a tour. I always like to try to play
> in
> > Boston, because I have family & friends in the area. However, my
> experience
> > so far suggests that all the weird music venues there charge a
> space-rental
> > fee, and nobody comes out to shows. Is there simply not an
> > audience/community out there?
> >
> > Matt Davignon
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From fenlonorama at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 16:13:25 2008
From: fenlonorama at gmail.com (Andrew Fenlon)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:13:25 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Boston venues?
In-Reply-To: <13ddbfd10812181553t7999caa3q530117d6934045c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c70e517b0812181543n76669f2fi22859aa32d9bb23c@mail.gmail.com>
	<13ddbfd10812181553t7999caa3q530117d6934045c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <efef87870812181613o3c328203w886885f2dc741f07@mail.gmail.com>

Hi matt,
I'm from Boston as well, just moved to the bay this fall.  I played a lot of
experimental music out there. Ricardo Donoso is running a great series at
the Piano Factory Mill, there's almost always good attendance. email him at
info at rdonoso.com
PA's lounge can be fun but also can be very dead. The same is true for The
Lily Pad or the Zeitgeist Outpost.
If you are very lucky, you can get a gig at an amazing space called Nom
D'artiste. It is a loft gallery in Chinatown, run by a very nice guy named
Jeff who has a band called "Puritan Agenda." It's arguably the best space in
Boston, but very hard to get a gig at.
his email is ultraloft3000 at yahoo.com
Trying to find a gig in Boston can be difficult and frusterating, but go for
it...
Best of luck,
ANDREW


On 12/18/08, Ken Ueno <djmoderne at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Matt,
>
> Having relocated recently from Boston, I can fill you in.  There's a
> healthy
> scene for experimental improv out in Boston.  It's true that we had
> problems
> with venues and, sometimes, audiences coming out to the shows, but there
> are
> cools peeps out there - the BSC, undr, and my group, Onda.
>
> Lou Bunk and Lou Cohen run a cool series out there call OpenSound.   Write
> them: "Lou Bunk" <loubunk at yahoo.com>, "Lou Cohen" <loucohen at jolc.net>
>
> Andy McWain runs a series in New Bedford, MA: Andy McWain" <
> amcwain at umassd.edu>
>
> I'm thinking of starting a monthly series at CNMAT.  Would this be a good
> thing to do here?
>
> All the best,
>
> Ken
>
>
> Ken Ueno, Ph.D., FAAR '07
> Assistant Professor, UC Berkeley
> http://www.kenueno.com
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
>
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I'm in the early phases of booking a tour. I always like to try to play
> in
> > Boston, because I have family & friends in the area. However, my
> experience
> > so far suggests that all the weird music venues there charge a
> space-rental
> > fee, and nobody comes out to shows. Is there simply not an
> > audience/community out there?
> >
> > Matt Davignon
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From jfheule at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 16:15:58 2008
From: jfheule at gmail.com (jacob felix heule)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 16:15:58 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Boston venues?
In-Reply-To: <13ddbfd10812181553t7999caa3q530117d6934045c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c70e517b0812181543n76669f2fi22859aa32d9bb23c@mail.gmail.com>
	<13ddbfd10812181553t7999caa3q530117d6934045c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9c5cfa860812181615v35231d77m53704977276a9fd7@mail.gmail.com>

yes, we are ever in need of venues. cnmat is a great space for both
electronic and acoustic music. go for it! and i'd love to play there.

jacob
--
http://www.heule.us
http://www.myspace.com/jacobfelix
new album, Idea of West: http://www.heule.us/ideaofwest/

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Ken Ueno <djmoderne at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm thinking of starting a monthly series at CNMAT.  Would this be a good
> thing to do here?

From ingalls at mills.edu  Thu Dec 18 23:08:05 2008
From: ingalls at mills.edu (Matt Ingalls)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 23:08:05 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Boston venues?
In-Reply-To: <13ddbfd10812181553t7999caa3q530117d6934045c8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c70e517b0812181543n76669f2fi22859aa32d9bb23c@mail.gmail.com>,
	<13ddbfd10812181553t7999caa3q530117d6934045c8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F81D56F650769E4587383FDD7DE82629067FA826@EXCHANGE02.mills.edu>


>I'm thinking of starting a monthly series at CNMAT.  Would this be a good
>thing to do here?

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

From damon at balancepointacoustics.com  Fri Dec 19 10:32:43 2008
From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:32:43 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Prince Lasha RIP/Service on Sat.
Message-ID: <B6E027AB-8423-4733-ABC5-10F9EC41FFBD@balancepointacoustics.com>

Prince Lasha passed. I saw him about a month ago at 21 Grand, I had a  
nice conversation with him. His service is at Chapel of The Chimes on  
Sat. at noon.

Damon Smith

http://www.balancepointacoustics.com
http://myspace.com/smithdamon
New solo project:
http://www.myspace.com/damonsmithsolo





From slusser at pixar.com  Fri Dec 19 10:48:24 2008
From: slusser at pixar.com (David Slusser)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 10:48:24 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Prince Lasha RIP/Service on Sat.
In-Reply-To: <B6E027AB-8423-4733-ABC5-10F9EC41FFBD@balancepointacoustics.com>
References: <B6E027AB-8423-4733-ABC5-10F9EC41FFBD@balancepointacoustics.com>
Message-ID: <4FFDB346-4469-478B-8FF8-F69D46AAF5C6@pixar.com>

Nice man - gentle, open soul beneath the pride and defiance.

He let me play with him at Mapenzi in the late 70s, and remembered
me years later at some jazz jams.  He and Sonny were the
embodiment of "the new thing" here, and he kept the faith.




On Dec 19, 2008, at 10:32 AM, Damon Smith wrote:

> Prince Lasha passed. I saw him about a month ago at 21 Grand, I had a
> nice conversation with him. His service is at Chapel of The Chimes on
> Sat. at noon.
>
> Damon Smith
>
> http://www.balancepointacoustics.com
> http://myspace.com/smithdamon
> New solo project:
> http://www.myspace.com/damonsmithsolo
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


From praemedia at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 19 14:06:16 2008
From: praemedia at yahoo.com (Praemedia)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:06:16 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] Bay Area Jazz and Creative Music Scene
Message-ID: <709174.65054.qm@web51611.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://www.metafilter.com/77582/The-Bay-area-jazz-scene

really? are they serious?



      

From praemedia at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 19 14:09:49 2008
From: praemedia at yahoo.com (Praemedia)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:09:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] much better
Message-ID: <157534.63983.qm@web51607.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

http://www.freemusicarchive.org/prelaunch/sfbayare/

much closer to the bay area i know and love.



      

From praemedia at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 19 14:51:46 2008
From: praemedia at yahoo.com (Praemedia)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 14:51:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] to clarify
Message-ID: <610367.83673.qm@web51603.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

may comments were in regards to the narrowness of definition and scope on both on metafilter and baytaper as opposed to any direct comment on PLAYS MONK or any insult to anyone actually included on baytaper. congratulations to them (and to baytaper for doing something like this) and up yours to the petulant ass out there who took insult....well, not worth it.

I mean come on, the site has DJ SHADOW in its list of artists but no 21GRAND in its list of venues? No SFSound? A million other missing pieces, etc.

Not exactly representative...... 


      

From mcmahon at ibiblio.org  Fri Dec 19 15:26:44 2008
From: mcmahon at ibiblio.org (Joe McMahon)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:26:44 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: For *your name here*
In-Reply-To: <52E82CBD-E119-4D37-A614-EDE5218394F6@sonic.net>
References: <20081218405139AMUNIQUEID@1234567890-1234>
	<52E82CBD-E119-4D37-A614-EDE5218394F6@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <76df99600812191526t557754nd3ec5aa44e32b13@mail.gmail.com>

Anytime I hear from some organization that I've never heard of or had
anything to do with, I assume it's spam.

From electric.tokyo at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 19:07:24 2008
From: electric.tokyo at gmail.com (Travis Johns)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 22:07:24 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: For *your name here*
In-Reply-To: <76df99600812191526t557754nd3ec5aa44e32b13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081218405139AMUNIQUEID@1234567890-1234>
	<52E82CBD-E119-4D37-A614-EDE5218394F6@sonic.net>
	<76df99600812191526t557754nd3ec5aa44e32b13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d3165c060812191907w7e104fbdi367daf78994bd911@mail.gmail.com>

Not to mention that its a website for a Russian school that advertises
in perfect English and has absolutely no information about
enrollment... I did a Googlemaps search on the address and the street
address doesn't exist in Moscow.

But then again, it seems that time and again we're reminded that the
truth seems to always be stranger than fiction, so who knows? It's
most likely a scam, but how much would it cost or hurt to humor this
guy and see if he wants a disc? Unless you end up in some
international banjo-scam super-spy bond-esqe mystery-adventure, the
worst that could happen is that you're out an album and postage to the
former Evil Empire.

grains of salt, blowing bubbles.

t.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Joe McMahon <mcmahon at ibiblio.org> wrote:
> Anytime I hear from some organization that I've never heard of or had
> anything to do with, I assume it's spam.
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 19:50:53 2008
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:50:53 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: For *your name here*
In-Reply-To: <d3165c060812191907w7e104fbdi367daf78994bd911@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081218405139AMUNIQUEID@1234567890-1234>
	<52E82CBD-E119-4D37-A614-EDE5218394F6@sonic.net>
	<76df99600812191526t557754nd3ec5aa44e32b13@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3165c060812191907w7e104fbdi367daf78994bd911@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c70e517b0812191950s1d54cc33t4ed7fb756531ddf7@mail.gmail.com>

I wonder if it's those scammy russian mp3 sites trying to get more music to
sell without license.

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Travis Johns <electric.tokyo at gmail.com>wrote:

> Not to mention that its a website for a Russian school that advertises
> in perfect English and has absolutely no information about
> enrollment... I did a Googlemaps search on the address and the street
> address doesn't exist in Moscow.
>
> But then again, it seems that time and again we're reminded that the
> truth seems to always be stranger than fiction, so who knows? It's
> most likely a scam, but how much would it cost or hurt to humor this
> guy and see if he wants a disc? Unless you end up in some
> international banjo-scam super-spy bond-esqe mystery-adventure, the
> worst that could happen is that you're out an album and postage to the
> former Evil Empire.
>
> grains of salt, blowing bubbles.
>
> t.
>
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Joe McMahon <mcmahon at ibiblio.org> wrote:
> > Anytime I hear from some organization that I've never heard of or had
> > anything to do with, I assume it's spam.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From electric.tokyo at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 21:03:30 2008
From: electric.tokyo at gmail.com (Travis Johns)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 00:03:30 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: For *your name here*
In-Reply-To: <c70e517b0812191950s1d54cc33t4ed7fb756531ddf7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081218405139AMUNIQUEID@1234567890-1234>
	<52E82CBD-E119-4D37-A614-EDE5218394F6@sonic.net>
	<76df99600812191526t557754nd3ec5aa44e32b13@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3165c060812191907w7e104fbdi367daf78994bd911@mail.gmail.com>
	<c70e517b0812191950s1d54cc33t4ed7fb756531ddf7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d3165c060812192103v317e7dbbl8d9fe637c5905b03@mail.gmail.com>

such things exist?

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon at gmail.com> wrote:
> I wonder if it's those scammy russian mp3 sites trying to get more music to
> sell without license.
>
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Travis Johns <electric.tokyo at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Not to mention that its a website for a Russian school that advertises
>> in perfect English and has absolutely no information about
>> enrollment... I did a Googlemaps search on the address and the street
>> address doesn't exist in Moscow.
>>
>> But then again, it seems that time and again we're reminded that the
>> truth seems to always be stranger than fiction, so who knows? It's
>> most likely a scam, but how much would it cost or hurt to humor this
>> guy and see if he wants a disc? Unless you end up in some
>> international banjo-scam super-spy bond-esqe mystery-adventure, the
>> worst that could happen is that you're out an album and postage to the
>> former Evil Empire.
>>
>> grains of salt, blowing bubbles.
>>
>> t.
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 6:26 PM, Joe McMahon <mcmahon at ibiblio.org> wrote:
>> > Anytime I hear from some organization that I've never heard of or had
>> > anything to do with, I assume it's spam.
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Fri Dec 19 21:57:12 2008
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 21:57:12 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: For *your name here*
In-Reply-To: <d3165c060812192103v317e7dbbl8d9fe637c5905b03@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081218405139AMUNIQUEID@1234567890-1234>
	<52E82CBD-E119-4D37-A614-EDE5218394F6@sonic.net>
	<76df99600812191526t557754nd3ec5aa44e32b13@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3165c060812191907w7e104fbdi367daf78994bd911@mail.gmail.com>
	<c70e517b0812191950s1d54cc33t4ed7fb756531ddf7@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3165c060812192103v317e7dbbl8d9fe637c5905b03@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c70e517b0812192157g1d0c0727y88e0f17f5af2ebf4@mail.gmail.com>

You betcha - when SoftWetFish came out, I was surprised by how quickly it
showed up on allofmp3.com and about 20 other sites from Russia.  Of course,
all it took was for one person at that company to have an emusic account,
download the mp3's, then sell them on their own site.

I wasn't too upset about people distributing my stuff for free on Kazaa and
such, but these guys were selling the songs and keeping the $. Well, that
is, if anyone actually downloaded my cd from them. More famous artists get
totally hosed by them, but they look for pretty much any cd they can find.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allofmp3.com

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Travis Johns <electric.tokyo at gmail.com>wrote:

> such things exist?
>
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I wonder if it's those scammy russian mp3 sites trying to get more music
> to
> > sell without license.
> >
> >
>

From jon_raskin at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 19 22:51:05 2008
From: jon_raskin at yahoo.com (Jon Raskin)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 06:51:05 +0000
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: For *your name here*
Message-ID: <883992451-1229755860-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-740275117-@bxe299.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Ya, tracks for dime.

------Original Message------
From: Matt Davignon
Sender: 
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
ReplyTo: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
Sent: Dec 19, 2008 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Fwd: For *your name here*

You betcha - when SoftWetFish came out, I was surprised by how quickly it
showed up on allofmp3.com and about 20 other sites from Russia.  Of course,
all it took was for one person at that company to have an emusic account,
download the mp3's, then sell them on their own site.

I wasn't too upset about people distributing my stuff for free on Kazaa and
such, but these guys were selling the songs and keeping the $. Well, that
is, if anyone actually downloaded my cd from them. More famous artists get
totally hosed by them, but they look for pretty much any cd they can find.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allofmp3.com

On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 9:03 PM, Travis Johns <electric.tokyo at gmail.com>wrote:

> such things exist?
>
> On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I wonder if it's those scammy russian mp3 sites trying to get more music
> to
> > sell without license.
> >
> >
>
_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

From gcremaschi at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 19 23:45:10 2008
From: gcremaschi at hotmail.com (George Cremaschi)
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 23:45:10 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: For *your name here*
In-Reply-To: <c70e517b0812192157g1d0c0727y88e0f17f5af2ebf4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081218405139AMUNIQUEID@1234567890-1234>
	<52E82CBD-E119-4D37-A614-EDE5218394F6@sonic.net>
	<76df99600812191526t557754nd3ec5aa44e32b13@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3165c060812191907w7e104fbdi367daf78994bd911@mail.gmail.com>
	<c70e517b0812191950s1d54cc33t4ed7fb756531ddf7@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3165c060812192103v317e7dbbl8d9fe637c5905b03@mail.gmail.com> 
	<c70e517b0812192157g1d0c0727y88e0f17f5af2ebf4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W49C2B464020E937AEA4801C1F10@phx.gbl>


> that is, if anyone actually downloaded my cd from them. Well, if some scammers in Russia actually thought my music were sellable,frankly I'd be honored. They can keep all those big rubles they're gonnarake in. In fact, I'm gonna send off an envelope with some of my cds tomorrow - that way, when I finally play a gig in Russia, 6 people might have actuallyheard of me, and show up....-George 
_________________________________________________________________
It?s the same Hotmail?. If by ?same? you mean up to 70% faster.
http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008

From highhorse at mhorse.com  Sat Dec 20 09:42:01 2008
From: highhorse at mhorse.com (Daryl Shawn)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:42:01 -0600
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: For *your name here*
In-Reply-To: <c70e517b0812192157g1d0c0727y88e0f17f5af2ebf4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081218405139AMUNIQUEID@1234567890-1234>	<52E82CBD-E119-4D37-A614-EDE5218394F6@sonic.net>	<76df99600812191526t557754nd3ec5aa44e32b13@mail.gmail.com>	<d3165c060812191907w7e104fbdi367daf78994bd911@mail.gmail.com>	<c70e517b0812191950s1d54cc33t4ed7fb756531ddf7@mail.gmail.com>	<d3165c060812192103v317e7dbbl8d9fe637c5905b03@mail.gmail.com>
	<c70e517b0812192157g1d0c0727y88e0f17f5af2ebf4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <494D2E69.4040309@mhorse.com>

Yeah, practically everything I've ever put online is now linked at 
numerous Russian and Chinese sites. One track in particular - not an 
especially friendly tune - gets 600-700 plays a month, every month...?? 
I can't believe that anyone is actually listening to it that much, I'm 
not sure what's going on.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

> You betcha - when SoftWetFish came out, I was surprised by how quickly it
> showed up on allofmp3.com and about 20 other sites from Russia.  Of course,
> all it took was for one person at that company to have an emusic account,
> download the mp3's, then sell them on their own site.


From electric.tokyo at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 09:43:58 2008
From: electric.tokyo at gmail.com (Travis Johns)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:43:58 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: For *your name here*
In-Reply-To: <BLU136-W49C2B464020E937AEA4801C1F10@phx.gbl>
References: <20081218405139AMUNIQUEID@1234567890-1234>
	<52E82CBD-E119-4D37-A614-EDE5218394F6@sonic.net>
	<76df99600812191526t557754nd3ec5aa44e32b13@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3165c060812191907w7e104fbdi367daf78994bd911@mail.gmail.com>
	<c70e517b0812191950s1d54cc33t4ed7fb756531ddf7@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3165c060812192103v317e7dbbl8d9fe637c5905b03@mail.gmail.com>
	<c70e517b0812192157g1d0c0727y88e0f17f5af2ebf4@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU136-W49C2B464020E937AEA4801C1F10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <d3165c060812200943r3e5b992al38a4407f150bf610@mail.gmail.com>

Yah, I think I agree with George on this one - if Russian company
wants new music, Russian company gets new music. At the same time,
hey, if they accidently do some legwork ala publicity and the like,
more power to them. Regarding whether or not they'll be eating into my
precious record sales, eh, there's a million and one ways of getting
music for free legal and otherwise, including, but not limited to
archive.org, the free music archive thing mentioned in another string,
limewire, and in my case, just asking me politely, or offering
something interesting in return. If Moose & Squirrel want to hear
music without paying, why stop at the discount when you can get the
whole cookie jar at a five finger? Not to mention the other similar
notion ala just exactly how much a few rubles are going to matter in
the long run, let alone if these sales will even amount to anything
significant re: income to dowloadcomarade.com - i mean shit, it's hard
enough hocking sounds to our peers, let alone perfect strangers in the
outer orbits of degrees of separation.

Mixed metaphore soufflet,

t.
On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 2:45 AM, George Cremaschi
<gcremaschi at hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> that is, if anyone actually downloaded my cd from them. Well, if some scammers in Russia actually thought my music were sellable,frankly I'd be honored. They can keep all those big rubles they're gonnarake in. In fact, I'm gonna send off an envelope with some of my cds tomorrow - that way, when I finally play a gig in Russia, 6 people might have actuallyheard of me, and show up....-George
> _________________________________________________________________
> It's the same Hotmail(R). If by "same" you mean up to 70% faster.
> http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocidTXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad1_122008
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From electric.tokyo at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 09:47:38 2008
From: electric.tokyo at gmail.com (Travis Johns)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:47:38 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: For *your name here*
In-Reply-To: <494D2E69.4040309@mhorse.com>
References: <20081218405139AMUNIQUEID@1234567890-1234>
	<52E82CBD-E119-4D37-A614-EDE5218394F6@sonic.net>
	<76df99600812191526t557754nd3ec5aa44e32b13@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3165c060812191907w7e104fbdi367daf78994bd911@mail.gmail.com>
	<c70e517b0812191950s1d54cc33t4ed7fb756531ddf7@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3165c060812192103v317e7dbbl8d9fe637c5905b03@mail.gmail.com>
	<c70e517b0812192157g1d0c0727y88e0f17f5af2ebf4@mail.gmail.com>
	<494D2E69.4040309@mhorse.com>
Message-ID: <d3165c060812200947r6611bcf2y58c30b545542175e@mail.gmail.com>

Some subscription services pay a fraction of a cent per listen - if
you can write a script that would keep the track on an infinite repeat
at some site, and did that to just enough tracks, provided you have
the liscense to the track itself, and a whole lot of tracks at that,
these plays would eventually add up. In that light, its kind of like
that thing they did in Office Space, but different.

On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:42 PM, Daryl Shawn <highhorse at mhorse.com> wrote:
> Yeah, practically everything I've ever put online is now linked at
> numerous Russian and Chinese sites. One track in particular - not an
> especially friendly tune - gets 600-700 plays a month, every month...??
> I can't believe that anyone is actually listening to it that much, I'm
> not sure what's going on.
>
> Daryl Shawn
> www.swanwelder.com
>
>> You betcha - when SoftWetFish came out, I was surprised by how quickly it
>> showed up on allofmp3.com and about 20 other sites from Russia.  Of course,
>> all it took was for one person at that company to have an emusic account,
>> download the mp3's, then sell them on their own site.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From highhorse at mhorse.com  Sat Dec 20 09:56:53 2008
From: highhorse at mhorse.com (Daryl Shawn)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:56:53 -0600
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: For *your name here*
In-Reply-To: <d3165c060812200947r6611bcf2y58c30b545542175e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081218405139AMUNIQUEID@1234567890-1234>	<52E82CBD-E119-4D37-A614-EDE5218394F6@sonic.net>	<76df99600812191526t557754nd3ec5aa44e32b13@mail.gmail.com>	<d3165c060812191907w7e104fbdi367daf78994bd911@mail.gmail.com>	<c70e517b0812191950s1d54cc33t4ed7fb756531ddf7@mail.gmail.com>	<d3165c060812192103v317e7dbbl8d9fe637c5905b03@mail.gmail.com>	<c70e517b0812192157g1d0c0727y88e0f17f5af2ebf4@mail.gmail.com>	<494D2E69.4040309@mhorse.com>
	<d3165c060812200947r6611bcf2y58c30b545542175e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <494D31E5.9070001@mhorse.com>

Hehe...I'm testing this scheme right now as I have a Rhapsody account, 
plus a couple of albums on their service. I created a playlist 
consisting of one of my one-minute tunes, and every night I let that 
playlist simply repeat while I sleep. I get one cent per listen, so 
theoretically I'm making three or four bucks each night. Assuming my 
scheme works (wonder if there's a limit per IP?) - I don't see the 
statements until about two months after a play - I'll actually make a 
nice bit of cash.

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

> Some subscription services pay a fraction of a cent per listen - if
> you can write a script that would keep the track on an infinite repeat
> at some site, and did that to just enough tracks, provided you have
> the liscense to the track itself, and a whole lot of tracks at that,
> these plays would eventually add up. In that light, its kind of like
> that thing they did in Office Space, but different.


From electric.tokyo at gmail.com  Sat Dec 20 10:26:32 2008
From: electric.tokyo at gmail.com (Travis Johns)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 13:26:32 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: For *your name here*
In-Reply-To: <494D31E5.9070001@mhorse.com>
References: <20081218405139AMUNIQUEID@1234567890-1234>
	<52E82CBD-E119-4D37-A614-EDE5218394F6@sonic.net>
	<76df99600812191526t557754nd3ec5aa44e32b13@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3165c060812191907w7e104fbdi367daf78994bd911@mail.gmail.com>
	<c70e517b0812191950s1d54cc33t4ed7fb756531ddf7@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3165c060812192103v317e7dbbl8d9fe637c5905b03@mail.gmail.com>
	<c70e517b0812192157g1d0c0727y88e0f17f5af2ebf4@mail.gmail.com>
	<494D2E69.4040309@mhorse.com>
	<d3165c060812200947r6611bcf2y58c30b545542175e@mail.gmail.com>
	<494D31E5.9070001@mhorse.com>
Message-ID: <d3165c060812201026g296fbebau384f2acf822ddab@mail.gmail.com>

by the same logic, a ten second track would bring in 6 cents per
minute, and $3.60 an hour. For a 7 hour infinite repeat playlist,
you'd be looking at $25. If you have a spare beige box running the
playlist 24x7, the daily turnaround would be $86.40. On a year-long
level, the payout would be approx. 31k  - off of one single track
playing on an infinite repeat on a cheap computer. There's no way that
Rhapsody would allow that. But who knows - having recently been
provided a glimpse at some of the inner workings of the dot com world,
mistakes and loopholes are pretty abundant, so who knows - maybe they
never accounted for something like this and there's still a couple
spaces available onboard the gravy train before they wise up to a
security update...

either way, please let us know how your experiment turns out!


On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Daryl Shawn <highhorse at mhorse.com> wrote:
> Hehe...I'm testing this scheme right now as I have a Rhapsody account,
> plus a couple of albums on their service. I created a playlist
> consisting of one of my one-minute tunes, and every night I let that
> playlist simply repeat while I sleep. I get one cent per listen, so
> theoretically I'm making three or four bucks each night. Assuming my
> scheme works (wonder if there's a limit per IP?) - I don't see the
> statements until about two months after a play - I'll actually make a
> nice bit of cash.
>
> Daryl Shawn
> www.swanwelder.com
>
>> Some subscription services pay a fraction of a cent per listen - if
>> you can write a script that would keep the track on an infinite repeat
>> at some site, and did that to just enough tracks, provided you have
>> the liscense to the track itself, and a whole lot of tracks at that,
>> these plays would eventually add up. In that light, its kind of like
>> that thing they did in Office Space, but different.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From highhorse at mhorse.com  Sat Dec 20 10:37:36 2008
From: highhorse at mhorse.com (Daryl Shawn)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 12:37:36 -0600
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: For *your name here*
In-Reply-To: <d3165c060812201026g296fbebau384f2acf822ddab@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20081218405139AMUNIQUEID@1234567890-1234>	<52E82CBD-E119-4D37-A614-EDE5218394F6@sonic.net>	<76df99600812191526t557754nd3ec5aa44e32b13@mail.gmail.com>	<d3165c060812191907w7e104fbdi367daf78994bd911@mail.gmail.com>	<c70e517b0812191950s1d54cc33t4ed7fb756531ddf7@mail.gmail.com>	<d3165c060812192103v317e7dbbl8d9fe637c5905b03@mail.gmail.com>	<c70e517b0812192157g1d0c0727y88e0f17f5af2ebf4@mail.gmail.com>	<494D2E69.4040309@mhorse.com>	<d3165c060812200947r6611bcf2y58c30b545542175e@mail.gmail.com>	<494D31E5.9070001@mhorse.com>
	<d3165c060812201026g296fbebau384f2acf822ddab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <494D3B70.1090602@mhorse.com>

Wow...yeah, you're absolutely right. Someone/everyone would have tried 
that already. Still, I've already gotten paid for my test listens, 
including repeats of several tracks, so I figure there must be some 
allowance in the equation. I mean, I'm a valid account-holder, and if I 
wanted to listen to "Ascension" every damn night while I slept, I'd 
think Trane's estate or whomever would rightfully expect payment for 
those plays.

I'll try repeating different tracks for different amounts of time, so I 
can try to figure out where/how things cut off. Will definitely report 
back so we all can get reeeeeeeeeech....

Daryl Shawn
www.swanwelder.com

> by the same logic, a ten second track would bring in 6 cents per
> minute, and $3.60 an hour. For a 7 hour infinite repeat playlist,
> you'd be looking at $25. If you have a spare beige box running the
> playlist 24x7, the daily turnaround would be $86.40. On a year-long
> level, the payout would be approx. 31k  - off of one single track
> playing on an infinite repeat on a cheap computer. There's no way that
> Rhapsody would allow that. But who knows - having recently been
> provided a glimpse at some of the inner workings of the dot com world,
> mistakes and loopholes are pretty abundant, so who knows - maybe they
> never accounted for something like this and there's still a couple
> spaces available onboard the gravy train before they wise up to a
> security update...
>
> either way, please let us know how your experiment turns out!


From letucepry at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 20 19:10:37 2008
From: letucepry at yahoo.com (Ron Lettuce)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 19:10:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: For *your name here*
References: <20081218405139AMUNIQUEID@1234567890-1234>
	<52E82CBD-E119-4D37-A614-EDE5218394F6@sonic.net>
	<76df99600812191526t557754nd3ec5aa44e32b13@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3165c060812191907w7e104fbdi367daf78994bd911@mail.gmail.com>
	<c70e517b0812191950s1d54cc33t4ed7fb756531ddf7@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3165c060812192103v317e7dbbl8d9fe637c5905b03@mail.gmail.com>
	<c70e517b0812192157g1d0c0727y88e0f17f5af2ebf4@mail.gmail.com>
	<494D2E69.4040309@mhorse.com>
	<d3165c060812200947r6611bcf2y58c30b545542175e@mail.gmail.com>
	<494D31E5.9070001@mhorse.com>
	<d3165c060812201026g296fbebau384f2acf822ddab@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <672444.65632.qm@web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Been there, done that...my band used to do that back in 97-98, I don't even remember what the website was, but we never got more than $10 to $15 a month...it was a way for bands to get a couple of extra $$, till it turned out to be a non-viable business model. I'm glad to see that it's back though, I guess if you have subscriptions paying for the service, then there's a revenue stream, however, I have a hard time believing that anyone nowadays would allow a single subscriber to "hand out" more than their monthly membership costs...


lettuce




________________________________
From: Travis Johns <electric.tokyo at gmail.com>
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 10:26:32 AM
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Fwd: For *your name here*

by the same logic, a ten second track would bring in 6 cents per
minute, and $3.60 an hour. For a 7 hour infinite repeat playlist,
you'd be looking at $25. If you have a spare beige box running the
playlist 24x7, the daily turnaround would be $86.40. On a year-long
level, the payout would be approx. 31k? - off of one single track
playing on an infinite repeat on a cheap computer. There's no way that
Rhapsody would allow that. But who knows - having recently been
provided a glimpse at some of the inner workings of the dot com world,
mistakes and loopholes are pretty abundant, so who knows - maybe they
never accounted for something like this and there's still a couple
spaces available onboard the gravy train before they wise up to a
security update...

either way, please let us know how your experiment turns out!


On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Daryl Shawn <highhorse at mhorse.com> wrote:
> Hehe...I'm testing this scheme right now as I have a Rhapsody account,
> plus a couple of albums on their service. I created a playlist
> consisting of one of my one-minute tunes, and every night I let that
> playlist simply repeat while I sleep. I get one cent per listen, so
> theoretically I'm making three or four bucks each night. Assuming my
> scheme works (wonder if there's a limit per IP?) - I don't see the
> statements until about two months after a play - I'll actually make a
> nice bit of cash.
>
> Daryl Shawn
> www.swanwelder.com
>
>> Some subscription services pay a fraction of a cent per listen - if
>> you can write a script that would keep the track on an infinite repeat
>> at some site, and did that to just enough tracks, provided you have
>> the liscense to the track itself, and a whole lot of tracks at that,
>> these plays would eventually add up. In that light, its kind of like
>> that thing they did in Office Space, but different.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

From letucepry at yahoo.com  Sat Dec 20 20:27:18 2008
From: letucepry at yahoo.com (Ron Lettuce)
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:27:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: For *your name here*
References: <20081218405139AMUNIQUEID@1234567890-1234>
	<52E82CBD-E119-4D37-A614-EDE5218394F6@sonic.net>
	<76df99600812191526t557754nd3ec5aa44e32b13@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3165c060812191907w7e104fbdi367daf78994bd911@mail.gmail.com>
	<c70e517b0812191950s1d54cc33t4ed7fb756531ddf7@mail.gmail.com>
	<d3165c060812192103v317e7dbbl8d9fe637c5905b03@mail.gmail.com>
	<c70e517b0812192157g1d0c0727y88e0f17f5af2ebf4@mail.gmail.com>
	<494D2E69.4040309@mhorse.com>
	<d3165c060812200947r6611bcf2y58c30b545542175e@mail.gmail.com>
	<494D31E5.9070001@mhorse.com>
	<d3165c060812201026g296fbebau384f2acf822ddab@mail.gmail.com>
	<672444.65632.qm@web54303.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <506084.48196.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

After reflecting some more on the topic, I believe that the site was MP3.com in one of it's earlier incarnations, before they stopped paying artists, and even back then, they tracked downloads by cookies, so that in order to repeat credit on a download, you needed to erase the cookie for the session that you had open.


lettuce



________________________________
From: Ron Lettuce <letucepry at yahoo.com>
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 7:10:37 PM
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Fwd: For *your name here*

Been there, done that...my band used to do that back in 97-98, I don't even remember what the website was, but we never got more than $10 to $15 a month...it was a way for bands to get a couple of extra $$, till it turned out to be a non-viable business model. I'm glad to see that it's back though, I guess if you have subscriptions paying for the service, then there's a revenue stream, however, I have a hard time believing that anyone nowadays would allow a single subscriber to "hand out" more than their monthly membership costs...


lettuce




________________________________
From: Travis Johns <electric.tokyo at gmail.com>
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 10:26:32 AM
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Fwd: For *your name here*

by the same logic, a ten second track would bring in 6 cents per
minute, and $3.60 an hour. For a 7 hour infinite repeat playlist,
you'd be looking at $25. If you have a spare beige box running the
playlist 24x7, the daily turnaround would be $86.40. On a year-long
level, the payout would be approx. 31k? - off of one single track
playing on an infinite repeat on a cheap computer. There's no way that
Rhapsody would allow that. But who knows - having recently been
provided a glimpse at some of the inner workings of the dot com world,
mistakes and loopholes are pretty abundant, so who knows - maybe they
never accounted for something like this and there's still a couple
spaces available onboard the gravy train before they wise up to a
security update...

either way, please let us know how your experiment turns out!


On Sat, Dec 20, 2008 at 12:56 PM, Daryl Shawn <highhorse at mhorse.com> wrote:
> Hehe...I'm testing this scheme right now as I have a Rhapsody account,
> plus a couple of albums on their service. I created a playlist
> consisting of one of my one-minute tunes, and every night I let that
> playlist simply repeat while I sleep. I get one cent per listen, so
> theoretically I'm making three or four bucks each night. Assuming my
> scheme works (wonder if there's a limit per IP?) - I don't see the
> statements until about two months after a play - I'll actually make a
> nice bit of cash.
>
> Daryl Shawn
> www.swanwelder.com
>
>> Some subscription services pay a fraction of a cent per listen - if
>> you can write a script that would keep the track on an infinite repeat
>> at some site, and did that to just enough tracks, provided you have
>> the liscense to the track itself, and a whole lot of tracks at that,
>> these plays would eventually add up. In that light, its kind of like
>> that thing they did in Office Space, but different.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

From damon at balancepointacoustics.com  Sun Dec 21 09:25:38 2008
From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:25:38 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Weasel Walter Quintet Video
Message-ID: <C0D94B0E-4D35-4373-B456-BBD09E5A4134@balancepointacoustics.com>

http://vimeo.com/2588293

Damon Smith

http://www.balancepointacoustics.com
http://myspace.com/smithdamon
New solo project:
http://www.myspace.com/damonsmithsolo





From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Sun Dec 21 19:22:58 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 21:22:58 -0600
Subject: [NewMusic] St Louis live electronics folks?
Message-ID: <C65FA6D01E469549B210B278C2EC8BD3358AC988D3@MAILSRV2.pme.penton.com>

Hey gang,
Does anyone know of a person or two that does live sampling or processing in St Louis? I'd like to get their contact info if you do. 
Off-list is fine....
Thanks!
ginorobair

From electric.tokyo at gmail.com  Mon Dec 22 12:01:16 2008
From: electric.tokyo at gmail.com (Travis Johns)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:01:16 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] Binaural Snow Crash?
Message-ID: <d3165c060812221201y682ffabo50bdfd05157d1193@mail.gmail.com>

Binaural soundtracks as binary space-monkeys at the controls of the
cerebral switchboards. Neal Stephenson nightmare or just your usual
new age snake oil? Studio audience, you know what to do.

http://www.binaural-beats.com/binaural-beats/worlds_first_digital_drug.aspx

http://www.i-dose.us/

Rabbit holes usually lead to nowhere, unless you're a rabbit, I suppose.

t.

From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Mon Dec 22 21:14:32 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:14:32 -0600
Subject: [NewMusic] Congrats Raskin & Gelb
Message-ID: <C65FA6D01E469549B210B278C2EC8BD3358AC988D6@MAILSRV2.pme.penton.com>

I heard it on the radio: Rova's "The Juke Box Suite" composed by Jon Raskin was chosen in the California Report's best-of 2008 list! Go Jon and Rova.

Also, congrats to Phil Gelb for the article in the new Signal to Noise about his series, and thanks to Derk Richardson for getting the word out about the BA scene...

g

From phil at philipgelb.com  Mon Dec 22 21:33:48 2008
From: phil at philipgelb.com (Philip Gelb)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:33:48 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Congrats Raskin & Gelb
In-Reply-To: <C65FA6D01E469549B210B278C2EC8BD3358AC988D6@MAILSRV2.pme.penton.com>
References: <C65FA6D01E469549B210B278C2EC8BD3358AC988D6@MAILSRV2.pme.penton.com>
Message-ID: <823B206B-1611-487A-9641-10055D71A9D7@philipgelb.com>

Thank you Gino!

Derk is really an excellent writer and obviously i was very pleased  
with seeing this!

phil

Philip Gelb
vegetarian chef
shakuhachi player, teacher
phil at philipgelb.com
http://philipgelb.com
http://myspace.com/inthemoodforfood
http://myspace.com/philipgelb
http://www.yelp.com/biz/in-the-mood-for-food-oakland

On Dec 22, 2008, at 9:14 PM, Robair, Gino wrote:

> I heard it on the radio: Rova's "The Juke Box Suite" composed by  
> Jon Raskin was chosen in the California Report's best-of 2008 list!  
> Go Jon and Rova.
>
> Also, congrats to Phil Gelb for the article in the new Signal to  
> Noise about his series, and thanks to Derk Richardson for getting  
> the word out about the BA scene...
>
> g
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


From ie at allwaysnorth.com  Mon Dec 22 23:24:01 2008
From: ie at allwaysnorth.com (Cheryl Leonard)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:24:01 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Music in Antarctica
Message-ID: <079FA219-3C7E-43EE-9553-A936ED881658@allwaysnorth.com>

As some of you may already know, I will be leaving right after  
Christmas to travel to Palmer Research Station on the Antarctic  
Peninsula and make music there with natural sounds and materials. I  
am one of eight artists who have been awarded grants this year from  
the National Science Foundation's Antarctic Artists and Writers  
Program and I'm really excited to have this great opportunity to live  
and work and play in Antarctica for a month.

I have started a blog for my project and will be posting stories,  
sounds, photos and video there while I am in Antarctica. Check it out  
if you want to see what New Year's Eve is like on a research  
icebreaker crossing the Drake Passage (aka the roughest seas in the  
world), whether or not whales eat my hydrophones, and whatever else  
ensues on my adventure.
http://www.musicfromtheice.blogspot.com

I will also be posting weekly project updates on Electronic Musician  
Magazine's blog (aka The Bus), so you might want to peruse that as  
well. I will be posting different material on each site.
http://blog.emusician.com/the_bus/

Happy holidays to you all. Icebergs ho!

Cheryl


From bradysharp at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 09:15:06 2008
From: bradysharp at gmail.com (Brady Sharp)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:15:06 -0600
Subject: [NewMusic] For Gino and other theremin afficianados...
Message-ID: <a7177e350812230915k4b61bd56n15f55fc0bf4c4dda@mail.gmail.com>

diy theremin using 3 household radios tuned to identical AM stations...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSYPUhPGavQ


Brady

From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Tue Dec 23 10:12:37 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:12:37 -0600
Subject: [NewMusic] That third theremin/radio
Message-ID: <C5766A15.1B2D9%Gino.Robair@penton.com>

Thanks, Brady! That's a hoot.
Folks will need this video to get the inside scoop, so to speak:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04l0esNefYI&feature=related


From michaelz at zoka.com  Tue Dec 23 10:54:54 2008
From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:54:54 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] For Gino and other theremin afficianados...
In-Reply-To: <a7177e350812230915k4b61bd56n15f55fc0bf4c4dda@mail.gmail.com>
References: <a7177e350812230915k4b61bd56n15f55fc0bf4c4dda@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p06240804c576ddaa3fb4@[192.168.0.5]>

On 12/23/08, Brady Sharp wrote:

>diy theremin using 3 household radios tuned to identical AM stations...
>
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSYPUhPGavQ


"And now, you must practice for several weeks, and voila!"


Or if you don't feel like practicing:

<http://vodpod.com/watch/1091499-is-the-theremin-a-musical-instrument>

MZ


--------------michaelz at zoka.com---
             Michael Zelner
---Oakland CA USA------------------

From electric.tokyo at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 16:23:55 2008
From: electric.tokyo at gmail.com (Travis Johns)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:23:55 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] For Gino and other theremin afficianados...
In-Reply-To: <p06240804c576ddaa3fb4@192.168.0.5>
References: <a7177e350812230915k4b61bd56n15f55fc0bf4c4dda@mail.gmail.com>
	<p06240804c576ddaa3fb4@192.168.0.5>
Message-ID: <d3165c060812231623g26559a1eo4b9a0348d262e1c0@mail.gmail.com>

lets throw on our snorkels, shall we?

http://ciat-lonbarde.net/trimin/index.html

hey, in the meantime, has anyone heard the news about the current
"occupation" of the New School? I'm not quite so sure if it's a temper
tantrum on behalf of the elite, entitled and naive or an actual
movement, but shit, I'm in NY for the holidays - if I get the
opportunity to escape the gravitational orbit of planet parents, I'll
gladly hit up some trav-on-the-street action and report back. Either
way, I'm intrigued. From what I can tell, the current occupatuion was
spawned by a mass firing of staff at the school - while I was at RPI
las week they axed 130 from the payrolls and no one batted an
eyebrow... heh, as one of them there self-loathing academics, I have
this strange feeling that the academy, as it were, is about to get
real interesting as the green turns brown without a fruitful
harvest...



On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Michael Zelner <michaelz at zoka.com> wrote:
> On 12/23/08, Brady Sharp wrote:
>
>>diy theremin using 3 household radios tuned to identical AM stations...
>>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSYPUhPGavQ
>
>
> "And now, you must practice for several weeks, and voila!"
>
>
> Or if you don't feel like practicing:
>
> <http://vodpod.com/watch/1091499-is-the-theremin-a-musical-instrument>
>
> MZ
>
>
> --------------michaelz at zoka.com---
>             Michael Zelner
> ---Oakland CA USA------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From electric.tokyo at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 16:59:21 2008
From: electric.tokyo at gmail.com (Travis Johns)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:59:21 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] More on the New School,
	for those not addicted to the usual wires:
Message-ID: <d3165c060812231659o3d56fee8p9b7d137595906efc@mail.gmail.com>

Links to read. Form opinions from there. Perhaps not the most musical
of posts, but eh, best to be in the know about this stuff...

http://uppingtheanti.org/node/3211

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/18/nyregion/18newschool.html?em

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/nation/6174287.html

From djcypod at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 19:36:36 2008
From: djcypod at gmail.com (beau)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:36:36 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Binaural Snow Crash?
In-Reply-To: <d3165c060812221201y682ffabo50bdfd05157d1193@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3165c060812221201y682ffabo50bdfd05157d1193@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <fc5507fa0812231936h48e18bf7odb66376e71289f7f@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting. I tryed the i-dose.us track super brain: varying amounts
of distorted noise with sin tones at various pitches. Not sure if I
feel any smarter yet? Usually if I want a brain boost I listen
something more like this

http://ocw.mit.edu/OcwWeb/Mathematics/18-06Spring-2005/VideoLectures/


On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 12:01 PM, Travis Johns <electric.tokyo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Binaural soundtracks as binary space-monkeys at the controls of the
> cerebral switchboards. Neal Stephenson nightmare or just your usual
> new age snake oil? Studio audience, you know what to do.
>
> http://www.binaural-beats.com/binaural-beats/worlds_first_digital_drug.aspx
>
> http://www.i-dose.us/
>
> Rabbit holes usually lead to nowhere, unless you're a rabbit, I suppose.
>
> t.
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From gcremaschi at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 23 22:10:02 2008
From: gcremaschi at hotmail.com (George Cremaschi)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:10:02 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] More on the New School,
 for those not addicted to the usual wires:
In-Reply-To: <d3165c060812231659o3d56fee8p9b7d137595906efc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d3165c060812231659o3d56fee8p9b7d137595906efc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU136-W526E23BC9FAA47FD2D8248C1ED0@phx.gbl>


?This is about starting a dialogue,? said Marcus Michelson, a student in a master?s program at the school. ?And to do that you have to be seen as an equal. People just don't give equality away, you have to take it.?Right on. Glad to see not all US students are servile lapdogs of hypercapitalism.Bring back the Panthers and the Weather Underground! William Ayers for Obama's US Senate seat!-George (w/raised-fist salute, not ironic)
_________________________________________________________________
Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills.
http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008

From djcypod at gmail.com  Tue Dec 23 22:38:59 2008
From: djcypod at gmail.com (beau)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 22:38:59 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic]  John Adams Interview
Message-ID: <fc5507fa0812232238s7de549a8jb33015e911be0622@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting interview with John Adams on yesterdays forum:

http://www.kqed.org/epArchive/R812221000

From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com  Tue Dec 23 23:58:35 2008
From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 23:58:35 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] More on the New School,
	for those not addicted to the usual wires:
In-Reply-To: <BLU136-W526E23BC9FAA47FD2D8248C1ED0@phx.gbl>
References: <d3165c060812231659o3d56fee8p9b7d137595906efc@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU136-W526E23BC9FAA47FD2D8248C1ED0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4EC6D367-2165-4F47-AC1A-0725757023F2@matthewgoodheart.com>

> Bring back the Panthers and the Weather Underground! William Ayers  
> for Obama's US Senate seat!-George (w/raised-fist salute, not ironic)

Aww, now you've done gone and got yourself on the Terrorist Watch List.

. . .20,000 names a month, dude. . .

mg

On Dec 23, 2008, at 10:10 PM, George Cremaschi wrote:

>
> ?This is about starting a dialogue,? said Marcus Michelson, a  
> student in a master?s program at the school. ?And to do that you  
> have to be seen as an equal. People just don't give equality away,  
> you have to take it.?Right on. Glad to see not all US students are  
> servile lapdogs of hypercapitalism.Bring back the Panthers and the  
> Weather Underground! William Ayers for Obama's US Senate seat!- 
> George (w/raised-fist salute, not ironic)
> _________________________________________________________________
> Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills.
> http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

Matthew Goodheart
composer ~ improviser ~ pianist
matthew at matthewgoodheart.com
http://matthewgoodheart.com
http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart





From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Wed Dec 24 23:50:48 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 01:50:48 -0600
Subject: [NewMusic] That is NOT Michael Z
Message-ID: <C65FA6D01E469549B210B278C2EC8BD3358AC988DE@MAILSRV2.pme.penton.com>

I keep telling myself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5ky5ClIjL8&feature=related

From michaelz at zoka.com  Thu Dec 25 08:55:34 2008
From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 08:55:34 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] That is NOT Michael Z
In-Reply-To: <C65FA6D01E469549B210B278C2EC8BD3358AC988DE@MAILSRV2.pme.penton.com>
References: <C65FA6D01E469549B210B278C2EC8BD3358AC988DE@MAILSRV2.pme.penton.com>
Message-ID: <BDF8F4E5-4C5C-4ABA-8699-6BDF182C251A@zoka.com>

No, that's my cousin Mukul from Delhi.

MZ


Sent from my iPod

On Dec 24, 2008, at 11:50 PM, "Robair, Gino" <Gino.Robair at penton.com>  
wrote:

> I keep telling myself:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5ky5ClIjL8&feature=related
> _____________________________

From djll at sonic.net  Thu Dec 25 21:12:41 2008
From: djll at sonic.net (Tom Dill)
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 21:12:41 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] So long, Santa Baby
Message-ID: <9D342604-8B2E-499A-819A-AF6908D7743D@sonic.net>

Eartha Kitt, sultry 'Santa Baby' singer, dies

By POLLY ANDERSON Associated Press Writer
	
Dec 25th, 2008 | NEW YORK -- Eartha Kitt, a sultry singer, dancer and  
actress who rose from South Carolina cotton fields to become an  
international symbol of elegance and sensuality, has died, a family  
spokesman said. She was 81.

more:

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j1C56dYy4W-IgXZueldUkrEjKMxwD95A1JH80

From letucepry at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 26 10:45:48 2008
From: letucepry at yahoo.com (Ron Lettuce)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 10:45:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] That is NOT Michael Z
References: <C65FA6D01E469549B210B278C2EC8BD3358AC988DE@MAILSRV2.pme.penton.com>
Message-ID: <782512.92458.qm@web54305.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

...in related videos....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbvP7dT3Dx0&feature=related


lettuce




________________________________
From: "Robair, Gino" <Gino.Robair at penton.com>
To: New Music <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 11:50:48 PM
Subject: [NewMusic] That is NOT Michael Z

I keep telling myself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5ky5ClIjL8&feature=related
_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

From ava.mendoza at gmail.com  Fri Dec 26 21:22:51 2008
From: ava.mendoza at gmail.com (Ava Mendoza)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 21:22:51 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] So long, Santa Baby
In-Reply-To: <9D342604-8B2E-499A-819A-AF6908D7743D@sonic.net>
References: <9D342604-8B2E-499A-819A-AF6908D7743D@sonic.net>
Message-ID: <317505170812262122p17d9dea8xdbda1783c468d565@mail.gmail.com>

for those of us who think that Santa Baby is the most annoying song ever
sung, here's Eartha in one of her more awesome moments. ignore the
omnipresent hum if you can... she also gets points from me for looking
exactly like my cat, Godzilla!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n6BNzvhRlCk




On 12/25/08, Tom Dill <djll at sonic.net> wrote:
>
> Eartha Kitt, sultry 'Santa Baby' singer, dies
>
> By POLLY ANDERSON Associated Press Writer
>
> Dec 25th, 2008 | NEW YORK -- Eartha Kitt, a sultry singer, dancer and
> actress who rose from South Carolina cotton fields to become an
> international symbol of elegance and sensuality, has died, a family
> spokesman said. She was 81.
>
> more:
>
>
> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5j1C56dYy4W-IgXZueldUkrEjKMxwD95A1JH80
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>



-- 
www.myspace.com/avamendoza
www.myspace.com/mutesocialite
http://www.bayimproviser.com/avamendoza

From ava.mendoza at gmail.com  Sat Dec 27 21:39:50 2008
From: ava.mendoza at gmail.com (Ava Mendoza)
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 21:39:50 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] guitar cab/speakers?
Message-ID: <317505170812272139w6c9d29d8p6c0d2fcb111cdce0@mail.gmail.com>

hi out there,

anyone have a 4 12" or 2 15" guitar cab w/ speakers they want to sell? my
amp's 150 watts so it must be able to handle that. email me offlist...
thanks,

ava

From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Sun Dec 28 15:46:42 2008
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:46:42 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Board games tonight?
Message-ID: <c70e517b0812281546y5721040dw9e76c558540be5cc@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone interested in games tonight?

I'm hosting at my place, 265 Vernon St, #105 in Oakland, 6-10 pm.

I can only fit 4 or so people but with the last minute notice I'm thinking
it won't be a problem.

We'll probably order dinner. Games I have include Scrabble, Settlers of
Catan, and a bunch of others you might or might not have
heard of.

Please RSVP if you plan to come.

Matt
home: 510-268-8213
work: 510-459-1507

From michaelz at zoka.com  Mon Dec 29 09:53:03 2008
From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:53:03 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] Wurst event of New Year's Eve
Message-ID: <p06240833c57ebc6e70d7@[192.168.0.5]>


>Inspired by the town's longest running business, Tank's Meats, 
>Elmore, Ohio's locals drop a brilliantly lit, 18-foot sausage from 
>the sky to welcome in the New Year. The celebration also includes 
>zany events like a raw sausage toss, the sausage eating contest and 
>a "dress your dog" contest for children.

<http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20081229/lf_nm_life/us_travel_picks_nyeve_1>

<http://www.elmorehs.tripod.com/id7.html>


From Gino.Robair at penton.com  Mon Dec 29 17:17:33 2008
From: Gino.Robair at penton.com (Robair, Gino)
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:17:33 -0600
Subject: [NewMusic] Cheryl Leonard, heading south
Message-ID: <C57EB6AD.1B5C0%Gino.Robair@penton.com>

Her first blog post at EM:
http://blog.emusician.com/the_bus/


From timduroche at variousartists.org  Tue Dec 30 08:58:09 2008
From: timduroche at variousartists.org (Tim DuRoche)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 08:58:09 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] Music National Service Initiative
In-Reply-To: <p06240833c57ebc6e70d7@[192.168.0.5]>
Message-ID: <311174.94334.qm@web1108.biz.mail.sk1.yahoo.com>

Dear Bay Area friends,
I ran across this in my hat as an arts/cultural policy head.  Very WPA sounding. Thought some might be interested,
BEst, 
Tim DuRoche
 

Music National Service Initiative Is Hiring
The Music National Service Initiative is hiring "flexible, adaptable, team-oriented and hard working music lovers" in the San Francisco Bay Area. The MNSi is a social-enterprise start-up that is launching MusicianCorps?, a ?musical Peace Corps? that "calls and enables musicians to serve in: underserved schools and communities to develop more successful students and youth; healthcare and therapeutic settings for patients recovery and improved functioning; the public domain for increased civic engagement, volunteerism, diplomacy and peace." Paid positions with benefits include Executive and Program Assistant, Director of Outreach and Development, Director of Finance and Administration and Bay Area Program Director. Salaries range $35K-$65K. Details are online. 

http://musicnationalservice.org/jobs.html


From slusser at pixar.com  Tue Dec 30 17:47:32 2008
From: slusser at pixar.com (David Slusser)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:47:32 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] So long
Message-ID: <F395113D-DC02-459C-930C-3DA46B14222D@pixar.com>

Poor Freddie Hubbard died yesterday without getting a chance
to redeem himself.  If you're not familiar with his work prior
to 1973, you may wonder if this is an off-topic post. Faustian
bargain or not, I can't write off his work prior to that, and can
attest the few times I saw him in clubs in the 70s and 80s that
he was a totally scary player.  Live in a combo without all the
bullshit, he still played with frightening intensity.  Apparently
he kept that up and blew his lip out in late 92.

The idea of legacy is troubling.  Skipping conventional
work in the 'Jazz Messengers' vein, I collected some truly
experimental things he did - Ilhan Mimaroglu's  electronic
"Sing Me a Song of Songmy", and some large group writing
he did.  I don't think his appearance on Coltrane's "Ascension",
Dolphy's "Out To Lunch" or Ornette's "Free Jazz" were flukes.
Records like "Ole" shows he was at least strong enough to
stand next to Dolphy and Coltrane.  I worked in Jazz/R&B
radio briefly in the 70s, and (being just 14 years his junior)
saw the options and pressures he faced in his recording career
in perhaps a different light than people born after disco. I
don't defend his choices, but the music business really
sucked in that period.  May he rest in peace.

Happy New Year, everyone!

On a lighter note (perhaps), look what's coming to town:

(posted on Erik Friedlander's website)

ZORNFEST 2009 at Yoshi's in Oakland, CA
http://www.yoshis.com/jazzclub
March 10?- The Secret Chiefs 3?Play Masada
March 11 - Masada String Trio - 2 sets
March 12 - Masada Quintet - 2 sets
March 13 - Bar Kokhba Sextet?- 2 sets
March 14 - The Dreamers - 2 sets
March 15 - Electric Masada - 2 sets





From michaelz at zoka.com  Wed Dec 31 09:42:22 2008
From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 09:42:22 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] So long
In-Reply-To: <F395113D-DC02-459C-930C-3DA46B14222D@pixar.com>
References: <F395113D-DC02-459C-930C-3DA46B14222D@pixar.com>
Message-ID: <p06240813c5815f549d19@[192.168.0.2]>

On 12/30/08, David Slusser wrote:

>Poor Freddie Hubbard died yesterday without getting a chance
>to redeem himself.  If you're not familiar with his work prior
>to 1973, you may wonder if this is an off-topic post. Faustian
>bargain or not, I can't write off his work prior to that, and can
>attest the few times I saw him in clubs in the 70s and 80s that
>he was a totally scary player.  Live in a combo without all the
>bullshit, he still played with frightening intensity.  Apparently
>he kept that up and blew his lip out in late 92.

Along those lines (from another music list):

<http://www.bohemian.com/citysound/?p=1441>

MZ

--------------michaelz at zoka.com---
             Michael Zelner
---Oakland CA USA------------------

From slusser at pixar.com  Wed Dec 31 16:46:40 2008
From: slusser at pixar.com (David Slusser)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:46:40 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] So long
Message-ID: <3E52F303-3121-4AA2-8534-8A2245F13118@pixar.com>

Feet of Clay

http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2006/01/dj_compilation_.html

(click Freddie Hubbard to hear sound clip)

...ah, yes, this stuff was bound to start surfacing.
He could become a bit unhinged as time went on.
Fury usually came out his horn, though.  Last
time I saw him at the Keystone Korner, he had just
flown in from an Asian tour, and out of nowhere,
between songs, let everyone know how much he
hated Koreans.

makes you wonder:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/948374.stm


From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Wed Dec 31 18:13:43 2008
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:13:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [NewMusic] So long
In-Reply-To: <3E52F303-3121-4AA2-8534-8A2245F13118@pixar.com>
Message-ID: <348733.58511.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

thanks for posting all of this stuff for freddie. i agree, he made some questionable decisions in his career, but he also worked his butt off developing a pretty unique voice on his instrument, and his contributions on many albums are essential...too many to list here.

i saw him a few times at keystone...don't remember any korean commentary though...

peace,
pg


--- On Wed, 12/31/08, David Slusser <slusser at pixar.com> wrote:

> From: David Slusser <slusser at pixar.com>
> Subject: [NewMusic] So long
> To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
> Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 4:46 PM
> Feet of Clay
> 
> http://blog.wfmu.org/freeform/2006/01/dj_compilation_.html
> 
> (click Freddie Hubbard to hear sound clip)
> 
> ...ah, yes, this stuff was bound to start surfacing.
> He could become a bit unhinged as time went on.
> Fury usually came out his horn, though.  Last
> time I saw him at the Keystone Korner, he had just
> flown in from an Asian tour, and out of nowhere,
> between songs, let everyone know how much he
> hated Koreans.
> 
> makes you wonder:
> 
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/948374.stm
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

From djll at sonic.net  Wed Dec 31 21:34:57 2008
From: djll at sonic.net (Tom Dill)
Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 21:34:57 -0800
Subject: [NewMusic] stroke
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1230786004.7291.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
References: <mailman.1.1230786004.7291.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <A850DFC0-8526-4916-91BF-115B70CC42B7@sonic.net>

"Writing in the journal Neurology, he said professional musicians  
appeared to have an inborn or learned ability to control the pressure  
wind instruments place on their body."

... thus decreasing their risk of stroke, a risk factor more than  
offset by the well-documented stresses professional musicians must  
undergo to keep gigging.

At the top of that list: The wearing of ties and buttoned collars to  
the gig.

td


On Dec 31, 2008, at 9:00 PM, newmusic-request at music.mills.edu wrote:

>> From: David Slusser <slusser at pixar.com>
>> Subject: [NewMusic] So long
>> To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
>> Date: Wednesday, December 31, 2008, 4:46 PM
>> Feet of Clay
>>
>> makes you wonder:
>>
>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/948374.stm