[NewMusic] Latest 21 Grand info ... We are not closed ...yet

Ann Dentel aldentel at sbcglobal.net
Wed Jul 16 18:18:12 PDT 2008 

I know this is perhaps a ridiculous long shot, but has anyone thought about looking into some sort of arts grant from the city of Oakland to help pay for the work?  If there's anyone on the list that's written a grant or two, I'm sure that you could have a pretty strong argument in regard to contributing to the cultural landscape of Oakland?  It just seems like there should be some $$ somewhere to help arts organizations deal with this sort of issue...

Ann

Phillip Greenlief <pgsaxo at pacbell.net> wrote: i don't hit people...but i can install pipe and fixtures.
   
  pg

kristin miltner  wrote:
  you get 1 free punch in the arm next time i see you.

which leads me to mention the problem of unleashing a bunch of weird music
people on 21 Grand's plumbing and electric, when the point is to get it up
to pretty demanding standards... and i can't even get Phillip's name right.
:)

k

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:25 AM, Phillip Greenlief 

wrote:

> <3 <3 <3 !!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> PG
>
>
>
> kristin miltner wrote:
> SORRY Phillip.
>
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Phillip Greenlief
>
> wrote:
>
> > Kristin!
> >
> > Phillip.....not Phil
> >
> > And, please don't count on me for electronics....plumbing I can do - that
> > wiring shit is for someone with other forms of intelligence...
> >
> > Peace!
> > PG
> >
> >
> > kristin miltner wrote:
> > I'm probably not as skilled at plumbing and lights as Phil, but i could
> > definitely help.
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 11:08 AM, Jacob Lindsay
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Stay Open Stay Open Stay Open!
> > >
> > > Even if you have to move locations....
> > >
> > > Obviously, if we can get the current place "fixed up" that is ideal. If
> > > you need donations of money/time, just let us know what you need (I
> guess
> > I
> > > shouldn't speak for everybody, but I'm pretty sure that many of us on
> > this
> > > list are willing to help out in some way).
> > >
> > > However, if the building owner refuses to pay his/her part for the
> > upgrades
> > > then maybe moving is the best option. I have a principled objection to
> > > renters paying to improve their landlords property (don't we pay rent
> for
> > > that stuff?!!?)
> > >
> > > Jacob Lindsay
> > > http://www.bayimproviser.com/artistdetail.asp?artist_id=44
> > >
> > >
> > > --- On Wed, 7/16/08, Phillip Greenlief
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > From: Phillip Greenlief
> >
> > > > Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Latest 21 Grand info ... We are not closed
> > ...yet
> > > > To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group"
> > > > Date: Wednesday, July 16, 2008, 10:48 AM
> > > > Dear Sarah and Darren,
> > > >
> > > > I'm so behind you. If I can help doing any of the
> > > > actual work, I would be happy to lend a hand. I can also
> > > > make a small donation in September...money has been
> > > > ridiculously tight this year.
> > > >
> > > > If there is any thing I can do, please drop a line or
> > > > give me a call. I have more free time during the summer
> > > > (when I'm not teaching at three schools) and am
> > > > available to help in any way you think I might be helpful.
> > > > I've done plumbing work, and can install pipe, hook up
> > > > fixtures and stuff like that. I'm terrible at electric
> > > > stuff...but know a pretty handy electrician who might be
> > > > willing to do some work for a low price since you are such
> > > > a great service to the community. (Cremaschi is handy with
> > > > this stuff, but he's out of town...damn!).
> > > >
> > > > Please let me know if there's anything I can do....
> > > >
> > > > Would it be easier to think about a new location? I LOVE
> > > > the space you're in, but perhaps it would be easier
> > > > ultimately...or do you think this kind of problem is
> > > > destined to pop up again....?
> > > >
> > > > Much love and respect,
> > > > Phillip
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> wrote:
> > > > I get the occasional email asking if we've reopened,
> > > > or if we're "still
> > > > closed." No, we are not closed ... yet
> > > >
> > > > The latest news: the real challenge, okay challenges, with
> > > > updating people
> > > > on what's going on with 21 Grand is translating the
> > > > bureaucratic issues (and
> > > > there are multiple bureaucracies at play with different,
> > > > yet some
> > > > overlapping, issues) into simple statements. The other
> > > > challenge is that
> > > > things are still up in the air.
> > > >
> > > > After unintentionally managing to escape attention from the
> > > > authorities for
> > > > several months, we came back under scrutiny a couple weeks
> > > > ago. It was the
> > > > same story as 7 months ago - we need the building
> > > > department and fire
> > > > department to agree that our building is "safe"
> > > > enough to have events. Not
> > > > just one event, but regular events. This was the real
> > > > challenge. After many
> > > > hours of emails, office visits, and inspections, we got the
> > > > fire department
> > > > and building department to agree to let us have the 12 or
> > > > so shows we had
> > > > scheduled through August 17th ... with no more than 49
> > > > people in the
> > > > building.
> > > >
> > > > What happens after that? We're not sure yet. They want
> > > > us to show progress
> > > > towards bringing the building up to code. Some of these
> > > > things will be
> > > > expensive. One of these things, that they just determined
> > > > we would need to
> > > > do is install fire sprinklers. We will need to do some
> > > > upgrading of the
> > > > building for seismic (earthquake) purposes. This might be
> > > > expensive, this
> > > > might be not-too-expensive.
> > > >
> > > > However, we cannot afford to pay for all of this ourselves.
> > > > We would need
> > > > the building owner to pay for some of it. The building
> > > > owner could say no.
> > > > If the building owner says no to paying for some of the
> > > > upgrades, then 21
> > > > Grand would either a)move again or b)close.
> > > >
> > > > Obviously this is a major decision, and we (Sarah and
> > > > Darren and our board
> > > > of directors) don't take it lightly. We want to know
> > > > what people think. We
> > > > want your feedback. You can comment and discuss this stuff
> > > > here, or email me
> > > > at 21grand at 21grand dot org.
> > > >
> > > > We may have a more formal poll or survey to send out, if
> > > > that makes it
> > > > easier to respond/organize your thoughts.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for reading.
> > > > sl
> > > >
> > > >
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kristin miltner
audio professional
www.myspace.com/miltnerunit
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