[NewMusic] We have cookies! (was Poopoganda)

[Damon Smith]

Myspace also gets you different listeners than a personal website due  
to the network that is in place.
It is a cute battle, and I don't think myspace is innocent, but all  
of us engage in many more things in everyday life with far more shady  
backgrounds.

On May 9, 2008, at 9:53 AM, Matt Davignon wrote:

> Well, the service that places like Myspace offer is basically a  
> simplified
> way of having a web presence. The user doesn't need to learn web  
> design,
> doesn't need to pay for web hosting, and gets to use really easy 'site
> building' tools. The site has advertising because if it didn't,  
> you'd have
> to pay for it.
>
> Let's put it this way. If you built your own website from scratch, and
> posted your blogs/pet videos/mp3 clips there, would your site pay you
> revenue for your content?
>
> Matt
>
> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org>
> wrote:
>
>> But the thing with Myspace, and youtube, and the other services  
>> and sites
>> that define "web 2.0" is that you - the user - the customer,  
>> essentially -
>> are not making money for these companies by paying money, but  
>> essentially
>> by
>> doing work for free.
>>
>> Compare it to radio or, something that combines music and  
>> socializing - a
>> nightclub. The radio station and the nightclub pay for the music -  
>> let's
>> leave aside the issue of whether the payment reaches the musicians  
>> and the
>> retarded way that entities like ASCAP calculate royalties - myspace
>> doesn't.
>> Your standard TV network or cable channel pays for its  
>> programming, youtube
>> doesn't.
>>
>> Certainly you - the musician on myspace - benefit from it as well.  
>> I think
>> the question is how you frame the choice to have a myspace page.  
>> Is it a
>> similar type of choice as what brand of beverage to consume or  
>> whether to
>> subscribe to a particular magazine, newspaper, or cell phone  
>> service ... Or
>> is it closer to choosing whether to have a phone. Essentially, is  
>> myspace
>> one of those monopolies like the garbage company or the electric  
>> company
>> that you pretty much are stuck dealing with for the sake of  
>> efficiency
>> and/or normative behavior?
>>
>>> From the perspective of a venue proprietor - I feel the same way  
>>> about
>> having a myspace page as I did about listing events in the  
>> weeklies owned
>> by
>> New Times - (now Village Voice media, and the East Bay Express is  
>> no longer
>> owned by them, but their music coverage got crappier when they went
>> independent - sigh.) I wasn't going to pay to take out ads in said  
>> papers,
>> but, yes, I'd send them listing info, and they'd list my events,  
>> and those
>> listings do contribute to their revenue and allow them to continue  
>> building
>> their brand of asshole-libertarian journalism and eliminating jobs  
>> for
>> local
>> writers and driving local papers out of business.
>>
>> But I agree with Matt Goodheart - I'm just wondering when the  
>> advertising
>> revenue is going to shrink and waiting to see what the new  
>> "business model"
>> is.
>>
>> sl
>>
>> Phillip postulated:
>> And I would remind you: I'M NOT PAYING FOR IT.  I'm not giving  
>> Murdoch a
>> cent to have a MS page. They minute they charge to be on it, I'm  
>> gone.
>>
>>
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Damon Smith

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