[NewMusic] We have cookies! (was Poopoganda)

[kristin miltner]

> Let's put it this way. If you built your own website from scratch, and
> posted your blogs/pet videos/mp3 clips there, would your site pay you
> revenue for your content?

this is a really good point, Matt. yep, i feel that the pros still outweight
the cons, simply as a consumer. Also, the myspace department in the evil
empire is paying a whole team of talented web designers (and most likely,
moonlighting musicians) that are busy thinking of ways to make us stay
there, from easier-to-use tools to promotions to ways of helping us network.
not saying they're doing it for our good, but as an insider to this type of
environment, i know they ultimately want to stay paid, so they're focused on
making a good product. We do benefit from this.


k




On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Well, the service that places like Myspace offer is basically a simplified
> way of having a web presence. The user doesn't need to learn web design,
> doesn't need to pay for web hosting, and gets to use really easy 'site
> building' tools. The site has advertising because if it didn't, you'd have
> to pay for it.
>
> Let's put it this way. If you built your own website from scratch, and
> posted your blogs/pet videos/mp3 clips there, would your site pay you
> revenue for your content?
>
> Matt
>
> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 9:02 AM, Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org>
> wrote:
>
> > But the thing with Myspace, and youtube, and the other services and sites
> > that define "web 2.0" is that you - the user - the customer, essentially
> -
> > are not making money for these companies by paying money, but essentially
> > by
> > doing work for free.
> >
> > Compare it to radio or, something that combines music and socializing - a
> > nightclub. The radio station and the nightclub pay for the music - let's
> > leave aside the issue of whether the payment reaches the musicians and
> the
> > retarded way that entities like ASCAP calculate royalties - myspace
> > doesn't.
> > Your standard TV network or cable channel pays for its programming,
> youtube
> > doesn't.
> >
> > Certainly you - the musician on myspace - benefit from it as well. I
> think
> > the question is how you frame the choice to have a myspace page. Is it a
> > similar type of choice as what brand of beverage to consume or whether to
> > subscribe to a particular magazine, newspaper, or cell phone service ...
> Or
> > is it closer to choosing whether to have a phone. Essentially, is myspace
> > one of those monopolies like the garbage company or the electric company
> > that you pretty much are stuck dealing with for the sake of efficiency
> > and/or normative behavior?
> >
> > >From the perspective of a venue proprietor - I feel the same way about
> > having a myspace page as I did about listing events in the weeklies owned
> > by
> > New Times - (now Village Voice media, and the East Bay Express is no
> longer
> > owned by them, but their music coverage got crappier when they went
> > independent - sigh.) I wasn't going to pay to take out ads in said
> papers,
> > but, yes, I'd send them listing info, and they'd list my events, and
> those
> > listings do contribute to their revenue and allow them to continue
> building
> > their brand of asshole-libertarian journalism and eliminating jobs for
> > local
> > writers and driving local papers out of business.
> >
> > But I agree with Matt Goodheart - I'm just wondering when the advertising
> > revenue is going to shrink and waiting to see what the new "business
> model"
> > is.
> >
> > sl
> >
> > Phillip postulated:
> > And I would remind you: I'M NOT PAYING FOR IT.  I'm not giving Murdoch a
> > cent to have a MS page. They minute they charge to be on it, I'm gone.
> >
> >
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kristin miltner
audio professional
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