From tim at perkis.com  Mon Jun  1 00:58:06 2009
From: tim at perkis.com (Tim Perkis)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:58:06 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Gig in Portland sought
In-Reply-To: <C648A574.536%gino@rastascan.com>
References: <C648A574.536%gino@rastascan.com>
Message-ID: <4A238A0E.9050505@perkis.com>

well, all i know is tim duroche  who you know about already, and joel 
taylor. I really don't know if any of those guys have anything to do 
with booking shows these days, but they know what's happening.

T

what's happening with you? you in town? done with that midwest action 
you seemed to be on?



Gino Robair wrote:
> Howdy,
> Hans Koch is coming the West Coast and is looking for a place to play in
> Portland. Any suggestions as to whom he should contact? Let me know off
> list. Thanks!
> ginorobair
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>   

From tim at perkis.com  Mon Jun  1 00:59:23 2009
From: tim at perkis.com (Tim Perkis)
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2009 00:59:23 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Gig in Portland sought
In-Reply-To: <C648A574.536%gino@rastascan.com>
References: <C648A574.536%gino@rastascan.com>
Message-ID: <4A238A5B.7040007@perkis.com>

it would be nice to talk -- but when I lost my phone, I lost almost 
everyone's phone number, including yours -- give me a call, if you'd 
like, it would be good to talk before the show

T


Gino Robair wrote:
> Howdy,
> Hans Koch is coming the West Coast and is looking for a place to play in
> Portland. Any suggestions as to whom he should contact? Let me know off
> list. Thanks!
> ginorobair
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>   

From shiurba at pacbell.net  Tue Jun  2 09:43:20 2009
From: shiurba at pacbell.net (John Shiurba)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 09:43:20 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] NewMusic Digest, Vol 37, Issue 16
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1243569603.15858.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
References: <mailman.1.1243569603.15858.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <E12DAAD3-87DB-4C92-B3B8-F893BC6FE5DC@pacbell.net>

speaking of groundbreaking trumpeters...
In anticipation of tonight's concert, I just pulled out Lesli  
Dalaba's  mostly solo record 'Trumpet Songs and Dances' from 1979.  
And, wow. it's pretty ahead of its time. Wouldn't have seemed strange  
to hear her sharing a bill with nmperign 30 years later.

On May 28, 2009, at 9:00 PM, newmusic-request at music.mills.edu wrote:

> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 01:38:54 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Jon Raskin <jon_raskin at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Yes, Streifenjunko
> To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
> Message-ID: <910545.30694.qm at web55601.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> That reminds me of a duo from Boston that played at the Beanbenders  
> series- trumpet and reeds?  I can't remember what they were called.
>
> Jon Raskin


From shiurba at pacbell.net  Tue Jun  2 10:14:28 2009
From: shiurba at pacbell.net (John Shiurba)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:14:28 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Matthew Sperry Solo Bass Vol. 2
Message-ID: <8CFA5966-616E-4312-90E9-D0EBB5BE8915@pacbell.net>

now playing on my stereo. wow.
I collected all of the solos I could find from various gigs and  
sessions, and Myles mastered it, and it sounds incredible.
Alan Anazalone created a great cd cover.
Available at any of the shows this week, or email me offlist.

From tbickley at metatronpress.com  Tue Jun  2 10:30:55 2009
From: tbickley at metatronpress.com (Tom Bickley)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:30:55 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Yes, Streifenjunko
In-Reply-To: <511704.37743.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <511704.37743.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CD2A8C60-567E-418D-95A0-939EEB1D89E1@metatronpress.com>

I'll echo and affirm these various comments. Building on Phil Gelb's  
excellent founding of the Meridian Music: Composers in Performance  
series, we continue on a monthly basis Sept-May. I think the funding  
we've received has been due in part to our presenting a wider range  
of approaches, yet all within an umbrella of "experimental practice "  
which, as Jacob comments, may be why we don't see as many folks from  
"the scene" there. Our audiences vary, but have been gradually  
increasing, and I consider it wonderful when most of the audience are  
people I haven't seen before.

We're all really fortunate that we have as many people making music  
here in the Bay Area. I recall my days of life in Washington DC when  
it felt like the experimental scene consisted of five of us. A  
challenging side to having as much going on is that we all are busy  
with both the music and (given economics here) creating income from  
various streams to allow us to live here. That said, yes, I want to  
attend more performances and perform more, and for everyone to do the  
same.

Adelante! -Tom

On May 30, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Phillip Greenlief wrote:

>
> Well said, Jacob. Thanks for you words and good luck and safe  
> travels on the rest of the tour.
>
> Sent from my hella muthafuckin' iPhone
>
> On May 30, 2009, at 8:52 AM, jacob felix heule <jfheule at gmail.com>  
> wrote:
>
> The scene seems slow? Go to some shows. The scene needs you to be  
> involved
> if it is to be active. I don't see very many new music/free improv  
> folks at
> shows they're not playing, and almost none at shows falling under a  
> slightly
> different genre.
>

++++++++++++
Tom Bickley, Curator
Meridian Music: Composers in Performance
Meridian Gallery
535 Powell St
San Francisco, CA 94108
tbickley at metatronpress.com
http://www.meridiangallery.org/MGMusic.htm




From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Tue Jun  2 13:14:31 2009
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 13:14:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Yes, Streifenjunko
Message-ID: <738650.90115.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Thanks Tom, for your post and for all you do at Meridian and with the Choir (and your own projects) to make this scene a beautiful place.

Lisa Mezz put on a great show at the Make Out Room on her First Monday series! I hope to catch more of those...there was a good crowd as well. 

AND, the Illuminated Corridor performance on Saturday...that's such an outstanding ongoing series and I want to give a shout to Suki and her crew for making it so...


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 2, 2009, at 10:30 AM, Tom Bickley <tbickley at metatronpress.com> wrote:

I'll echo and affirm these various comments. Building on Phil Gelb's  
excellent founding of the Meridian Music: Composers in Performance  
series, we continue on a monthly basis Sept-May. I think the funding  
we've received has been due in part to our presenting a wider range  
of approaches, yet all within an umbrella of "experimental practice "  
which, as Jacob comments, may be why we don't see as many folks from  
"the scene" there. Our audiences vary, but have been gradually  
increasing, and I consider it wonderful when most of the audience are  
people I haven't seen before.

We're all really fortunate that we have as many people making music  
here in the Bay Area. I recall my days of life in Washington DC when  
it felt like the experimental scene consisted of five of us. A  
challenging side to having as much going on is that we all are busy  
with both the music and (given economics here) creating income from  
various streams to allow us to live here. That said, yes, I want to  
attend more performances and perform more, and for everyone to do the  
same.

Adelante! -Tom

On May 30, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Phillip Greenlief wrote:


Well said, Jacob. Thanks for you words and good luck and safe  
travels on the rest of the tour.

Sent from my hella muthafuckin' iPhone

On May 30, 2009, at 8:52 AM, jacob felix heule <jfheule at gmail.com>  
wrote:

The scene seems slow? Go to some shows. The scene needs you to be  
involved
if it is to be active. I don't see very many new music/free improv  
folks at
shows they're not playing, and almost none at shows falling under a  
slightly
different genre.


++++++++++++
Tom Bickley, Curator
Meridian Music: Composers in Performance
Meridian Gallery
535 Powell St
San Francisco, CA 94108
tbickley at metatronpress.com
http://www.meridiangallery.org/MGMusic.htm



_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


From mylesaudio at aol.com  Tue Jun  2 16:09:46 2009
From: mylesaudio at aol.com (mylesaudio at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2009 19:09:46 -0400
Subject: [NewMusic] Matthew Sperry Solo Bass Vol. 2
In-Reply-To: <8CFA5966-616E-4312-90E9-D0EBB5BE8915@pacbell.net>
References: <8CFA5966-616E-4312-90E9-D0EBB5BE8915@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <8CBB1EE5B3E66DE-91C-8AF@Webmail-mg05.sim.aol.com>

Yes, it was amazing to hear Matthew's development as a soloist over 4 
short years. He managed to turn the bass into the polar opposite of 
what we expect to hear from this instrument, working toward 
electronic-sounding textures, sustained sounds, and dense high-end 
explorations. And he did it all with a great sense of humor and 
lightness, never veering into the macho or blustery. I miss the guy.

Myles


-----Original Message-----
From: John Shiurba <shiurba at pacbell.net>
To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
Sent: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 10:14 am
Subject: [NewMusic] Matthew Sperry Solo Bass Vol. 2






now playing on my stereo. wow.
I collected all of the solos I could find from various gigs and
sessions, and Myles mastered it, and it sounds incredible.
Alan Anazalone created a great cd cover.
Available at any of the shows this week, or email me offlist.
_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic






From damon at balancepointacoustics.com  Tue Jun  2 16:28:18 2009
From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:28:18 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Matthew Sperry Solo Bass Vol. 2
In-Reply-To: <8CBB1EE5B3E66DE-91C-8AF@Webmail-mg05.sim.aol.com>
References: <8CFA5966-616E-4312-90E9-D0EBB5BE8915@pacbell.net>
	<8CBB1EE5B3E66DE-91C-8AF@Webmail-mg05.sim.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CA5D1603-A8A1-4081-BFDF-41432DADCEB1@balancepointacoustics.com>

On Jun 2, 2009, at 4:09 PM, mylesaudio at aol.com wrote:

> And he did it all with a great sense of humor and
> lightness,

I don't really agree, I think one of the complex things about him was  
a very distinct difference between his music and his personality.
He was funny and very nice person, but I always found his music and  
approach to the bass to be dead serious. I had a lot of very frank  
conversations about music and the bass with him and he was very  
disciplined musician - he was some one I really respected and learned  
a lot from.
Those qualities are what made him an Ideal collaborator for people  
like John Butcher, not humor and lightness.
He was dead serious about putting that huge piece of wood between the  
strings, even if he was smiling, It is kind of like how Lichtenstein  
was dead serious about his Benday dots.

Damon Smith

http://www.balancepointacoustics.com
http://myspace.com/smithdamon
New solo project:
http://www.myspace.com/damonsmithsolo





From katttsammon at hotmail.com  Tue Jun  2 19:46:42 2009
From: katttsammon at hotmail.com (Kattt Atchley)
Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 19:46:42 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Matthew Sperry Solo Bass Vol. 2
In-Reply-To: <CA5D1603-A8A1-4081-BFDF-41432DADCEB1@balancepointacoustics.com>
References: <8CFA5966-616E-4312-90E9-D0EBB5BE8915@pacbell.net>
	<8CBB1EE5B3E66DE-91C-8AF@Webmail-mg05.sim.aol.com> 
	<CA5D1603-A8A1-4081-BFDF-41432DADCEB1@balancepointacoustics.com>
Message-ID: <SNT109-W42494F70A91AE0C7ABD3FAA24A0@phx.gbl>


* Matthew was fun & so easy to hang out with* Way fun to play music with* He had such a deep understanding of harmony (socially & musically = 1)* I'm proud to be in the ensemble on Thursday with whoever else is there (and I'm sure many many!)
warmly,Kattt





> From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com
> Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2009 16:28:18 -0700
> To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Matthew Sperry Solo Bass Vol. 2
> 
> On Jun 2, 2009, at 4:09 PM, mylesaudio at aol.com wrote:
> 
>> And he did it all with a great sense of humor and
>> lightness,
> 
> I don't really agree, I think one of the complex things about him was  
> a very distinct difference between his music and his personality.
> He was funny and very nice person, but I always found his music and  
> approach to the bass to be dead serious. I had a lot of very frank  
> conversations about music and the bass with him and he was very  
> disciplined musician - he was some one I really respected and learned  
> a lot from.
> Those qualities are what made him an Ideal collaborator for people  
> like John Butcher, not humor and lightness.
> He was dead serious about putting that huge piece of wood between the  
> strings, even if he was smiling, It is kind of like how Lichtenstein  
> was dead serious about his Benday dots.
> 
> Damon Smith
> 
> http://www.balancepointacoustics.com
> http://myspace.com/smithdamon
> New solo project:
> http://www.myspace.com/damonsmithsolo
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

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From shiurba at pacbell.net  Wed Jun  3 17:43:25 2009
From: shiurba at pacbell.net (John Shiurba)
Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2009 17:43:25 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Thursday Orchesperry Large Ensemble
Message-ID: <95791CEF-60E4-495D-B282-1DA55851184D@pacbell.net>

Reminder if you're taking part in the Orchesperry Large Ensemble  
performance.
Please show up at the Luggage Story Gallery between 7 and 7:30pm on  
Thursday.. Bring the most compact set up you can.
Gino will be conducting the ensemble using cues, which he talk us  
through just prior to the performance.
There will not be a need for music stands.


see you there!

John

From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Thu Jun  4 12:19:17 2009
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 12:19:17 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] New Rigs! videos with Marielle Jakobsons
Message-ID: <c70e517b0906041219m574b485cy2c967529647b6b4e@mail.gmail.com>

Marielle Jakobsons (of DarwinsBitch, Myrmyr and Triometrik)
on violin, computer, pedals & synths.

Demonstration: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnH-inmNzfw
Performance: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IiZzxNyQzQc

Matt Davignon
www.ribosomemusic.com

From wobbly at detritus.net  Thu Jun  4 16:06:40 2009
From: wobbly at detritus.net (wobbly at detritus.net)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:06:40 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Sixties Noise & Power Electronics
Message-ID: <29fdb216ef390dabe325ded0920e2e01.squirrel@webmail.detritus.net>

Hi all.  I realize it's a basic no-no to use the main list for show
announcements, but hopefully this can be taken more as discussion-starter
than self-promotion if I just post a playlist-in-advance for tonight's
show on KPFA 94.1 at midnight with Barbara Golden.  We're doing a special
on classical noise music and power electronics from the 1960's.  There was
a lot of it, and it's all pretty relentless and uncompromising, but noise
is actually pretty good for sleep music if you find the right playback
level

It really did all happen in the 60's I guess

La Monte Young & Terry Riley - Two Sounds
John Cage - Variations II (David Tudor realization)
Max Neuhaus - John Cage's Fontana Mix Feed
Toshi Ichiyanagi (with John Cage & David Tudor) - Appearance
David Behrman - Players With Circuits
Erkki Kurenniemi - On - Off
AMM - The Crypt 1968
Philip Corner - Black Hole
Pauline Oliveros - A Little Noise In The System
John Lennon & Yoko Ono - Cambridge 1969
Intersystems - Free Psychedelic Poster Inside
Iannis Xenakis - Bohor
Tony Conrad - Four Violins
Gordon Mumma - The Dresden Interleaf 13 February 1945
Alvin Lucier - North American Time Capsule
James Tenney - Fabric for Ch?
David Tudor - Toneburst (1974)
Robert Ashley - The Wolfman

Hopefully this comes across more as discussion-starter than self-

-jl





From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Thu Jun  4 16:10:37 2009
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:10:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Sixties Noise & Power Electronics
Message-ID: <730849.3987.qm@web81406.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


This looks great John, I'd like to have greater acres to lists like this. Give ms Golden my kind regards and I wish you the best on your show tonight.

PG


Sent from my friggin' iPhone


On Jun 4, 2009, at 4:06 PM, wobbly at detritus.net wrote:

Hi all.  I realize it's a basic no-no to use the main list for show
announcements, but hopefully this can be taken more as discussion-starter
than self-promotion if I just post a playlist-in-advance for tonight's
show on KPFA 94.1 at midnight with Barbara Golden.  We're doing a special
on classical noise music and power electronics from the 1960's.  There was
a lot of it, and it's all pretty relentless and uncompromising, but noise
is actually pretty good for sleep music if you find the right playback
level

It really did all happen in the 60's I guess

La Monte Young & Terry Riley - Two Sounds
John Cage - Variations II (David Tudor realization)
Max Neuhaus - John Cage's Fontana Mix Feed
Toshi Ichiyanagi (with John Cage & David Tudor) - Appearance
David Behrman - Players With Circuits
Erkki Kurenniemi - On - Off
AMM - The Crypt 1968
Philip Corner - Black Hole
Pauline Oliveros - A Little Noise In The System
John Lennon & Yoko Ono - Cambridge 1969
Intersystems - Free Psychedelic Poster Inside
Iannis Xenakis - Bohor
Tony Conrad - Four Violins
Gordon Mumma - The Dresden Interleaf 13 February 1945
Alvin Lucier - North American Time Capsule
James Tenney - Fabric for Ch?
David Tudor - Toneburst (1974)
Robert Ashley - The Wolfman

Hopefully this comes across more as discussion-starter than self-

-jl




_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


From djll at sonic.net  Thu Jun  4 21:17:30 2009
From: djll at sonic.net (Tom Dill)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 21:17:30 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Noisy 60's
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1244174403.16258.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
References: <mailman.1.1244174403.16258.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <61CBBF9F-9AB0-4A1D-9F0B-A835A55A73E4@sonic.net>

Kinda obvious maybe, but old Karlheinz S. did quite a lot of noisy  
stuff in that decade. Not sure where to start, although Mikrofonie 1  
would be one place. 1964, one giant gong, 4 players, 30 mins of  
SSSSSSSSSSKKKKKKKKKKKKKKRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWLLLLLLL

td

On Jun 4, 2009, at 9:00 PM, newmusic-request at music.mills.edu wrote:

> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:06:40 -0700
> From: wobbly at detritus.net
> Subject: [NewMusic] Sixties Noise & Power Electronics
> To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> Message-ID:
> 	<29fdb216ef390dabe325ded0920e2e01.squirrel at webmail.detritus.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1
>
> Hi all.  I realize it's a basic no-no to use the main list for show
> announcements, but hopefully this can be taken more as discussion- 
> starter
> than self-promotion if I just post a playlist-in-advance for tonight's
> show on KPFA 94.1 at midnight with Barbara Golden.  We're doing a  
> special
> on classical noise music and power electronics from the 1960's.   
> There was
> a lot of it, and it's all pretty relentless and uncompromising, but  
> noise
> is actually pretty good for sleep music if you find the right playback
> level
>
> It really did all happen in the 60's I guess
>
> La Monte Young & Terry Riley - Two Sounds
> John Cage - Variations II (David Tudor realization)
> Max Neuhaus - John Cage's Fontana Mix Feed
> Toshi Ichiyanagi (with John Cage & David Tudor) - Appearance
> David Behrman - Players With Circuits
> Erkki Kurenniemi - On - Off
> AMM - The Crypt 1968
> Philip Corner - Black Hole
> Pauline Oliveros - A Little Noise In The System
> John Lennon & Yoko Ono - Cambridge 1969
> Intersystems - Free Psychedelic Poster Inside
> Iannis Xenakis - Bohor
> Tony Conrad - Four Violins
> Gordon Mumma - The Dresden Interleaf 13 February 1945
> Alvin Lucier - North American Time Capsule
> James Tenney - Fabric for Ch?
> David Tudor - Toneburst (1974)
> Robert Ashley - The Wolfman
>
> Hopefully this comes across more as discussion-starter than self-
>
> -jl
>


Tom Djll
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Santa Cruz, CA 95060
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(831) 320-1489 cell
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From katttsammon at hotmail.com  Fri Jun  5 12:48:57 2009
From: katttsammon at hotmail.com (Kattt Atchley)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:48:57 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Sixties Noise & Power Electronics
In-Reply-To: <29fdb216ef390dabe325ded0920e2e01.squirrel@webmail.detritus.net>
References: <29fdb216ef390dabe325ded0920e2e01.squirrel@webmail.detritus.net>
Message-ID: <SNT109-W112E47F1C47AFB7F42AFD3A2480@phx.gbl>


Also, you can hear an archived version of the show here: http://www.kpfa.org/archive/show/331
(KPFA tends to post them the next day)
Looking for some conversation - OK I do not gravitate to James Tenney's *electronic* works... and I disliked the release (after repeated listens) of his electronic works that came out on Artifact (as a compilation of his early works).
Are there any JT electronic fans who would like to elaborate more on his electronic work/vision with these works? And what keeps you coming back to his *electronic* works? I know there are some JT electronic diehards on this list (I won't name names you know who you are)  
Right now I'm not sure if it's because I'm not hearing something or if it isn't my type of cocktail.

Warmly,Kattt


> Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2009 16:06:40 -0700
> From: wobbly at detritus.net
> To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> Subject: [NewMusic] Sixties Noise & Power Electronics
> 
> Hi all.  I realize it's a basic no-no to use the main list for show
> announcements, but hopefully this can be taken more as discussion-starter
> than self-promotion if I just post a playlist-in-advance for tonight's
> show on KPFA 94.1 at midnight with Barbara Golden.  We're doing a special
> on classical noise music and power electronics from the 1960's.  There was
> a lot of it, and it's all pretty relentless and uncompromising, but noise
> is actually pretty good for sleep music if you find the right playback
> level
> 
> It really did all happen in the 60's I guess
> 
> La Monte Young & Terry Riley - Two Sounds
> John Cage - Variations II (David Tudor realization)
> Max Neuhaus - John Cage's Fontana Mix Feed
> Toshi Ichiyanagi (with John Cage & David Tudor) - Appearance
> David Behrman - Players With Circuits
> Erkki Kurenniemi - On - Off
> AMM - The Crypt 1968
> Philip Corner - Black Hole
> Pauline Oliveros - A Little Noise In The System
> John Lennon & Yoko Ono - Cambridge 1969
> Intersystems - Free Psychedelic Poster Inside
> Iannis Xenakis - Bohor
> Tony Conrad - Four Violins
> Gordon Mumma - The Dresden Interleaf 13 February 1945
> Alvin Lucier - North American Time Capsule
> James Tenney - Fabric for Ch?
> David Tudor - Toneburst (1974)
> Robert Ashley - The Wolfman
> 
> Hopefully this comes across more as discussion-starter than self-
> 
> -jl
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
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From wobbly at detritus.net  Fri Jun  5 15:20:42 2009
From: wobbly at detritus.net (wobbly at detritus.net)
Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:20:42 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Sixties Noise & Power Electronics / Tenney
In-Reply-To: <SNT109-W112E47F1C47AFB7F42AFD3A2480@phx.gbl>
References: <29fdb216ef390dabe325ded0920e2e01.squirrel@webmail.detritus.net>
	<SNT109-W112E47F1C47AFB7F42AFD3A2480@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3eccecb7359f9cbb2894d2b46d17fd98.squirrel@webmail.detritus.net>

>
> Also, you can hear an archived version of the show here:
> http://www.kpfa.org/archive/show/331
> (KPFA tends to post them the next day)
> Looking for some conversation - OK I do not gravitate to James Tenney's
> *electronic* works... and I disliked the release (after repeated listens)
> of his electronic works that came out on Artifact (as a compilation of his
> early works).
> Are there any JT electronic fans who would like to elaborate more on his
> electronic work/vision with these works?

at this point I'm such a fan of early computer music in general that I
have outright emotional responses to the sounds

a key way to see Tenney is not just an electronic music guy but an early
computer music pioneer.  this means his sounds are often on the
rudimentary and lo-fi side compared to what people were starting to do
with hi-fi tape & electronics in the early 60's, but the ideas are a step
more specific.  It's not about self-expression, much less so even than
Stockhausen at his most formal, but about methodical investigations of
sound-parameters, linking pitch & tambre development, random number
generation & stochastics for complexity.  Structural alternatives to
sidestep serialism that skip the twelve notes to jump directly to work
with sound, but still in a very locked in and formal way.  Which, fair
enough, may be why you don't like them, though for me, from that
perspective, Tenney has more playfulness and ideas going on in the sounds.
 And it's just reassuring that someone was making music this inspired
using computers that early in the history of computer music, because these
pieces are almost shockingly early.   His pieces are mazes smoother & more
listenable than the other tone organ / A.I. pieces his friends at Bell
Labs were doing (with two or three exceptions)

& while I definitely enjoyed his work before reading 'Meta / Hodos' and 'A
History of Consonance and Dissonance', those books changed the way I think
about music and after reading them listening to his pieces became a
considerably deeper experience.  They were pretty enough before, but now
they're like the sunrise.  I spend most of my time on the acoustic stuff
but this applied to the early electronics as well, though admittedly it's
just 'Collage No. 1' and 'Fabric for Ch?' with high playcounts in iTunes

hopefully that text will make up for me not having enough time to play
Tenney last night

xpost to Tom, I almost played a few short excerpts from Stockhausen's
'Telemusik', but even though he uses noise, he rarely goes for it in a
full on Power Electronics kind of way, and last night was an attempt to
focus on antecedents to modern noise music, where overmodulation's pretty
much the at the center of everything going on in the piece.

ok friday
-jl


>> La Monte Young & Terry Riley - Two Sounds
>> John Cage - Variations II (David Tudor realization)
>> Max Neuhaus - John Cage's Fontana Mix Feed
>> Toshi Ichiyanagi (with John Cage & David Tudor) - Appearance
>> David Behrman - Players With Circuits
>> Erkki Kurenniemi - On - Off
>> AMM - The Crypt 1968
>> Philip Corner - Black Hole
>> Pauline Oliveros - A Little Noise In The System
>> John Lennon & Yoko Ono - Cambridge 1969
>> Intersystems - Free Psychedelic Poster Inside
>> Iannis Xenakis - Bohor
>> Tony Conrad - Four Violins
>> Gordon Mumma - The Dresden Interleaf 13 February 1945
>> Alvin Lucier - North American Time Capsule
>> James Tenney - Fabric for Ch?
>> David Tudor - Toneburst (1974)
>> Robert Ashley - The Wolfman
>>
>> Hopefully this comes across more as discussion-starter than self-
>>
>> -jl
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
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From jzitt at metatronpress.com  Sat Jun  6 07:40:17 2009
From: jzitt at metatronpress.com (Joseph Zitt)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 10:40:17 -0400
Subject: [NewMusic] Sixties Noise & Power Electronics / Tenney
In-Reply-To: <3eccecb7359f9cbb2894d2b46d17fd98.squirrel@webmail.detritus.net>
References: <29fdb216ef390dabe325ded0920e2e01.squirrel@webmail.detritus.net>
	<SNT109-W112E47F1C47AFB7F42AFD3A2480@phx.gbl>
	<3eccecb7359f9cbb2894d2b46d17fd98.squirrel@webmail.detritus.net>
Message-ID: <cf60725f0906060740p562900f0q1714f1803507232@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:20 PM, <wobbly at detritus.net> wrote:

> >
> & while I definitely enjoyed his work before reading 'Meta / Hodos' and 'A
> History of Consonance and Dissonance', those books changed the way I think
> about music and after reading them listening to his pieces became a
> considerably deeper experience.  They were pretty enough before, but now
> they're like the sunrise.


I love Tenney's writing, having first run across his essay "John Cage and
the Theory of Harmony" in the collection "Writings about John Cage"
http://www.worldcat.org/isbn/0472103482

I still find his music a tough listen, but turn to it on occasion, usually
when I want to see how he handled something that he wrote about.

-- 
Joseph Zitt :: The Path of the Bookseller :: blog.josephzitt.com

From magsatellite at yahoo.com  Sat Jun  6 13:38:17 2009
From: magsatellite at yahoo.com (J. Segel)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 13:38:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Sixties Noise & Pow
Message-ID: <207352.68393.qm@web45204.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>


> > Gordon Mumma - The Dresden Interleaf 13 February 1945
> > Alvin Lucier - North American Time Capsule
> > James Tenney - Fabric for Ch?
> > David Tudor - Toneburst (1974)
> > Robert Ashley - The Wolfman

apropos, i was just this week trying to figure out how the hell Gordon managed to make "circuitry" that did what he claimed it did in his piece "Hornpipe"
http://www.ubu.com/sound/sau.html

he was my #1 prof when i was at UCSC, many quarters of independent study in electronic music with him back in the early 80s. I just dug out a notebook i had made of buchla patches, and was thinking of translating them to max/supercollider, and it got me on this Hornpipe tangent. I even saw him play it once. 
the idea behind the piece is that he plays his french horn with various mouthpieces, a computer thingamakig he mad is strapped to him, supposedly listening to the resonance of the space he's playing in, he starts playing toward the resonant freqs to give it fodder, when it has enough it plays out these freqs. then he starts playing freqs that are non-resonant, so it eventually shuts up, ending the piece.
that seems very complicated for analog circuitry circa 1967....?



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From djll at sonic.net  Sat Jun  6 21:20:55 2009
From: djll at sonic.net (Tom Dill)
Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2009 21:20:55 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Sixties Noise & Pow: Gordon Mumma's Hornpipe;
	Karlheinz
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1244347202.19943.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
References: <mailman.1.1244347202.19943.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <859247DC-8AA0-4E5D-9B28-C782392361F3@sonic.net>

Gordon's circuit might have been based on an amplitude-based voltage  
follower kind of device. In a highly resonant space, the resonant  
frequencies are going to be louder. The louder things get, the greater  
the output voltage and vice-versa.

(xpost to Tom, I almost played a few short excerpts from Stockhausen's
'Telemusik', but even though he uses noise, he rarely goes for it in a
full on Power Electronics kind of way, and last night was an attempt to
focus on antecedents to modern noise music, where overmodulation's  
pretty
much the at the center of everything going on in the piece.)

xpostbackatcha to Wobbly: I guess I see your point. I don't recall  
Stockhausen ever talking about overmodulation as a beneficial source  
of creative sound production.

td

On Jun 6, 2009, at 9:00 PM, newmusic-request at music.mills.edu wrote:

>>>
>>> Gordon Mumma - The Dresden Interleaf 13 February 1945
>>> Alvin Lucier - North American Time Capsule
>>> James Tenney - Fabric for Ch?
>>> David Tudor - Toneburst (1974)
>>> Robert Ashley - The Wolfman
>
> apropos, i was just this week trying to figure out how the hell  
> Gordon managed to make "circuitry" that did what he claimed it did  
> in his piece "Hornpipe"
> http://www.ubu.com/sound/sau.html
>
> he was my #1 prof when i was at UCSC, many quarters of independent  
> study in electronic music with him back in the early 80s. I just dug  
> out a notebook i had made of buchla patches, and was thinking of  
> translating them to max/supercollider, and it got me on this  
> Hornpipe tangent. I even saw him play it once.
> the idea behind the piece is that he plays his french horn with  
> various mouthpieces, a computer thingamakig he mad is strapped to  
> him, supposedly listening to the resonance of the space he's playing  
> in, he starts playing toward the resonant freqs to give it fodder,  
> when it has enough it plays out these freqs. then he starts playing  
> freqs that are non-resonant, so it eventually shuts up, ending the  
> piece.
> that seems very complicated for analog circuitry circa 1967....?


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From weaselw at juno.com  Sun Jun  7 00:10:52 2009
From: weaselw at juno.com (weasel walter)
Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2009 00:10:52 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Evan Parker/Peter Evans/John Edwards/Weasel Walter video
Message-ID: <20090607.001053.7276.121.weaselw@juno.com>

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weXxRkZwCEA

Evan Parker: tenor saxophone
Peter Evans: trumpet
John Edwards: bass
Weasel Walter: drums

live in London, May 22, 2009

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From electric.tokyo at gmail.com  Mon Jun  8 00:02:29 2009
From: electric.tokyo at gmail.com (Travis Johns)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 00:02:29 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] 6 space rack, anyone?
Message-ID: <d3165c060906080002t44cbdfaeu5f7a2c50fb8d5fce@mail.gmail.com>

alo,

so a 6 space rack enclosure appeared on my block a few days ago in
fairly good condition, though possibly in need of a good cleaning and
possibly a shave (carpeted...) to upgrade this critter to good as new
condition. amazed at the find, i dragged it into the lodge with baited
anticipation until I once again came to my senses and realized that I
currently have absolutely no use for this thing. Not wanting to toss
it out to the SF garbage fairies once again, I make y'all the offer -
anyone want or need a rack for free-like? drop me a line and we talk.

best,

t.

From katttsammon at hotmail.com  Mon Jun  8 10:02:20 2009
From: katttsammon at hotmail.com (Kattt Atchley)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 10:02:20 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Sixties Noise & Power Electronics / Tenney
In-Reply-To: <3eccecb7359f9cbb2894d2b46d17fd98.squirrel@webmail.detritus.net>
References: <29fdb216ef390dabe325ded0920e2e01.squirrel@webmail.detritus.net>
	<SNT109-W112E47F1C47AFB7F42AFD3A2480@phx.gbl> 
	<3eccecb7359f9cbb2894d2b46d17fd98.squirrel@webmail.detritus.net>
Message-ID: <SNT109-W63496EADA92F97FE7E3ED5A2470@phx.gbl>


Thanks.  I now feel more compelled to give these works another listen *with headphones* and a stiff drink.
In 1994 - I attended a retrospective of James Tenney's works @ Mills - these pieces were stunning!  Especially the relationships between the instruments, space and their tunings...all with this bareness. I was so excited by all the other stuff going on in these pieces (which deepened my experience).
After that show...I was majorly *pumped* to find the Artifact recording of his electronic works....and that's when the disappointment began. And for me, blue suede shoes seriously pissed me off because I didn't like the composition (and I am a fan of Elvis's piece) and I couldn't get pass that to listen deeper.
Though after reading Jon and Joseph's emails I realize that I just need to tune into his electronic works a little differently (as I did the acoustic pieces)...I know there is depth.
Also I'm interesting in reading some of his writings... I'll check some of them out - thanks you guys for putting it out there.

Kattt

> Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2009 15:20:42 -0700
> From: wobbly at detritus.net
> To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Sixties Noise & Power Electronics / Tenney
> 
>>
>> Also, you can hear an archived version of the show here:
>> http://www.kpfa.org/archive/show/331
>> (KPFA tends to post them the next day)
>> Looking for some conversation - OK I do not gravitate to James Tenney's
>> *electronic* works... and I disliked the release (after repeated listens)
>> of his electronic works that came out on Artifact (as a compilation of his
>> early works).
>> Are there any JT electronic fans who would like to elaborate more on his
>> electronic work/vision with these works?
> 
> at this point I'm such a fan of early computer music in general that I
> have outright emotional responses to the sounds
> 
> a key way to see Tenney is not just an electronic music guy but an early
> computer music pioneer.  this means his sounds are often on the
> rudimentary and lo-fi side compared to what people were starting to do
> with hi-fi tape & electronics in the early 60's, but the ideas are a step
> more specific.  It's not about self-expression, much less so even than
> Stockhausen at his most formal, but about methodical investigations of
> sound-parameters, linking pitch & tambre development, random number
> generation & stochastics for complexity.  Structural alternatives to
> sidestep serialism that skip the twelve notes to jump directly to work
> with sound, but still in a very locked in and formal way.  Which, fair
> enough, may be why you don't like them, though for me, from that
> perspective, Tenney has more playfulness and ideas going on in the sounds.
>  And it's just reassuring that someone was making music this inspired
> using computers that early in the history of computer music, because these
> pieces are almost shockingly early.   His pieces are mazes smoother & more
> listenable than the other tone organ / A.I. pieces his friends at Bell
> Labs were doing (with two or three exceptions)
> 
> & while I definitely enjoyed his work before reading 'Meta / Hodos' and 'A
> History of Consonance and Dissonance', those books changed the way I think
> about music and after reading them listening to his pieces became a
> considerably deeper experience.  They were pretty enough before, but now
> they're like the sunrise.  I spend most of my time on the acoustic stuff
> but this applied to the early electronics as well, though admittedly it's
> just 'Collage No. 1' and 'Fabric for Ch?' with high playcounts in iTunes
> 
> hopefully that text will make up for me not having enough time to play
> Tenney last night
> 
> xpost to Tom, I almost played a few short excerpts from Stockhausen's
> 'Telemusik', but even though he uses noise, he rarely goes for it in a
> full on Power Electronics kind of way, and last night was an attempt to
> focus on antecedents to modern noise music, where overmodulation's pretty
> much the at the center of everything going on in the piece.
> 
> ok friday
> -jl
> 
> 
>>> La Monte Young & Terry Riley - Two Sounds
>>> John Cage - Variations II (David Tudor realization)
>>> Max Neuhaus - John Cage's Fontana Mix Feed
>>> Toshi Ichiyanagi (with John Cage & David Tudor) - Appearance
>>> David Behrman - Players With Circuits
>>> Erkki Kurenniemi - On - Off
>>> AMM - The Crypt 1968
>>> Philip Corner - Black Hole
>>> Pauline Oliveros - A Little Noise In The System
>>> John Lennon & Yoko Ono - Cambridge 1969
>>> Intersystems - Free Psychedelic Poster Inside
>>> Iannis Xenakis - Bohor
>>> Tony Conrad - Four Violins
>>> Gordon Mumma - The Dresden Interleaf 13 February 1945
>>> Alvin Lucier - North American Time Capsule
>>> James Tenney - Fabric for Ch?
>>> David Tudor - Toneburst (1974)
>>> Robert Ashley - The Wolfman
>>>
>>> Hopefully this comes across more as discussion-starter than self-
>>>
>>> -jl
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
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>>
> 
> 
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From shiurba at pacbell.net  Mon Jun  8 19:07:05 2009
From: shiurba at pacbell.net (John Shiurba)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 19:07:05 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: Letter of Love [for Temescal Arts Center]
References: <291390.39830.qm@web50603.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <32334767-7351-4EF4-ABBE-7DA30DFD9330@pacbell.net>

Please take a minute to email a brief letter to Micaela at Temescal  
Arts Center [addressed to the City of Oakland]
As you probably have heard, the city is trying to shut them down, and  
has barred music with any form of amplification.

Begin forwarded message:

> From: micaela gardner <micaelagardner at yahoo.com>
> Date: June 8, 2009 12:18:03 PM PDT
> To: stevegahan at comcast.net
> Subject: Letter of Love
>
> Hi All
> On Monday next I will be subject to a "compliance plan" meeting with  
> City of Oakland officials as a result of the negative attention from  
> our neighbors at TAC. I'm hoping that you might bolster my efforts  
> by writing a letter of appreciation for what we do at TAC, as a  
> community member or someone more directly involved, whichever you  
> prefer. If this is something you would like to do, please email me  
> your letter as an attachment, addressed to The City of Oakland.
> Thank you and wish me luck!
> X Micaela
>


From michaelz at zoka.com  Mon Jun  8 19:13:19 2009
From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 19:13:19 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Hugh Hopper, 1945 - 2009
Message-ID: <p06240806c65375056111@[192.168.0.2]>

>Soft Machine icon Hugh Hopper dies
>Monday, 08 June 2009 13:19
>
>Bass guitarist Hugh Hopper has died at the age of 64, it was 
>announced yesterday. The Kent-born musician is best known as the 
>bass player in Soft Machine which he joined in 1968. He remained 
>with them until 1972 but later became an important part of Soft 
>Machine Legacy which has toured the world in recent years.
>
>Before Soft Machine Hopper worked with Daevid Allen and Robert Wyatt 
>in the Daevid Allen Trio before forming the Wilde Flowers joined by 
>his brother Brian, Wyatt, Kevin Ayers and Richard Sinclair. But it 
>was with Wyatt, Allen, Ayers and also Mike Ratledge that he was to 
>make his mark on the history of progressive rock and forward-looking 
>jazz-influenced psychedelic groups of the period and since with his 
>innovative fuzz-bass sound.
>
>After Soft Machine, Hopper worked with a range of groups including 
>the influential Gilgamesh and Isotope and began an association with 
>free jazz saxophonist Elton Dean who joined Soft Machine in 1969. 
>Later important collaborations also included work with the late Pip 
>Pyle, Phil Miller's In Cahoots and since 2002 with Soft Works which 
>later became Soft Machine Legacy. Hopper had been suffering from 
>leukaemia in recent years. A benefit was held for him at the 100 
>Club in London last December. A full obituary will follow in the 
>July print edition of Jazzwise. He will be sadly missed.


<http://www.jazzwisemagazine.com/component/content/10854?task=view>

From td at pixar.com  Mon Jun  8 22:32:00 2009
From: td at pixar.com (Tom Duff)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 22:32:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Gear sale (for a friend)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1244520002.4904.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
References: <mailman.0.1244520002.4904.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0906082208310.12036@marvin.dynamic.pixar.com>


An underemployed friend has some gear for sale.  Let me know if you're
interested & I'll set things up.

Yamaha O1V digital mixer, should go for $500, but will take $450.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kraquehaus/sets/72157613337126443/

Also, MOTU 896 (version 1) firewire audio interface.  Image at same url as
above.  (He doesn't give a price but presumably will be reasonable.)

Personal Datahand keyboard.  Min $500.  No picture, but here's the same
model on ebay:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Datahand-Personal-Edition-(briefly-used)_W0QQitemZ2604231708
74QQcmdZViewItem

-- 
Tom Duff.  (^x.^y.(y(^z.xxyz)))(^x.^y.(y(^z.xxyz)))

From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Mon Jun  8 23:01:58 2009
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 23:01:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: Letter of Love [for Temescal Arts Center]
Message-ID: <391128.56158.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Thanks for postingbthis, John.

Write something if you can, folks. This space is a nice addition to the east bay scene and they have been supportive of our community for two decades. They deserve your support, y'all.



Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 8, 2009, at 7:07 PM, John Shiurba <shiurba at pacbell.net> wrote:

Please take a minute to email a brief letter to Micaela at Temescal  
Arts Center [addressed to the City of Oakland]
As you probably have heard, the city is trying to shut them down, and  
has barred music with any form of amplification.

Begin forwarded message:

From: micaela gardner <micaelagardner at yahoo.com>
Date: June 8, 2009 12:18:03 PM PDT
To: stevegahan at comcast.net
Subject: Letter of Love

Hi All
On Monday next I will be subject to a "compliance plan" meeting with  
City of Oakland officials as a result of the negative attention from  
our neighbors at TAC. I'm hoping that you might bolster my efforts  
by writing a letter of appreciation for what we do at TAC, as a  
community member or someone more directly involved, whichever you  
prefer. If this is something you would like to do, please email me  
your letter as an attachment, addressed to The City of Oakland.
Thank you and wish me luck!
X Micaela


_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


From damon at balancepointacoustics.com  Mon Jun  8 23:05:20 2009
From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith)
Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2009 23:05:20 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: Letter of Love [for Temescal Arts Center]
In-Reply-To: <391128.56158.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <391128.56158.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <55A6D51E-F8A2-4FCB-8430-6CEE9676B15A@balancepointacoustics.com>

It is a real bummer. I had a rehearsal with her today and she was  
talking about the situation.

On Jun 8, 2009, at 11:01 PM, Phillip Greenlief wrote:

>
> Thanks for postingbthis, John.
>
> Write something if you can, folks. This space is a nice addition to  
> the east bay scene and they have been supportive of our community  
> for two decades. They deserve your support, y'all.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 8, 2009, at 7:07 PM, John Shiurba <shiurba at pacbell.net> wrote:
>
> Please take a minute to email a brief letter to Micaela at Temescal
> Arts Center [addressed to the City of Oakland]
> As you probably have heard, the city is trying to shut them down, and
> has barred music with any form of amplification.
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: micaela gardner <micaelagardner at yahoo.com>
> Date: June 8, 2009 12:18:03 PM PDT
> To: stevegahan at comcast.net
> Subject: Letter of Love
>
> Hi All
> On Monday next I will be subject to a "compliance plan" meeting with
> City of Oakland officials as a result of the negative attention from
> our neighbors at TAC. I'm hoping that you might bolster my efforts
> by writing a letter of appreciation for what we do at TAC, as a
> community member or someone more directly involved, whichever you
> prefer. If this is something you would like to do, please email me
> your letter as an attachment, addressed to The City of Oakland.
> Thank you and wish me luck!
> X Micaela
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

Damon Smith

http://www.balancepointacoustics.com
http://myspace.com/smithdamon
New solo project:
http://www.myspace.com/damonsmithsolo





From 21grand at 21grand.org  Tue Jun  9 02:00:28 2009
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 02:00:28 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Fwd: Letter of Love [for Temescal Arts Center]
In-Reply-To: <32334767-7351-4EF4-ABBE-7DA30DFD9330@pacbell.net>
Message-ID: <C65372BC.2BABD%21grand@21grand.org>

Is the City trying to shut down the space entirely or merely as a
performance venue? I was under the impression it was primarily a dance
rehearsal/workshop studio, in terms of usage and in terms of income.  Did
they get noise complaints? There are bunch of residences near there now, and
they were having rock and metal shows for a while.

sl

on 6/8/09 7:07 PM, John Shiurba at shiurba at pacbell.net wrote:

> Please take a minute to email a brief letter to Micaela at Temescal
> Arts Center [addressed to the City of Oakland]
> As you probably have heard, the city is trying to shut them down, and
> has barred music with any form of amplification.
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: micaela gardner <micaelagardner at yahoo.com>
>> Date: June 8, 2009 12:18:03 PM PDT
>> To: stevegahan at comcast.net
>> Subject: Letter of Love
>> 
>> Hi All
>> On Monday next I will be subject to a "compliance plan" meeting with
>> City of Oakland officials as a result of the negative attention from
>> our neighbors at TAC. I'm hoping that you might bolster my efforts
>> by writing a letter of appreciation for what we do at TAC, as a
>> community member or someone more directly involved, whichever you
>> prefer. If this is something you would like to do, please email me
>> your letter as an attachment, addressed to The City of Oakland.
>> Thank you and wish me luck!
>> X Micaela
>> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic



From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Tue Jun  9 14:07:56 2009
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 14:07:56 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Things to do in LA
Message-ID: <c70e517b0906091407p37f48693uc7d104592604c131@mail.gmail.com>

On June 10, you can watch the sound effects guy from Police Academy
score silent movies!
http://cinefamily.org/calendar/wednesday.html#mic

From bradysharp at gmail.com  Tue Jun  9 15:43:01 2009
From: bradysharp at gmail.com (Brady Sharp)
Date: Tue, 9 Jun 2009 17:43:01 -0500
Subject: [NewMusic] Things to do in LA
In-Reply-To: <c70e517b0906091407p37f48693uc7d104592604c131@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c70e517b0906091407p37f48693uc7d104592604c131@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a7177e350906091543h3fb42d5br235dccbea314aaf9@mail.gmail.com>

Say what you want about Michael Winslow and the Police Academy movies, he's
incredible.  His Hendrix impression always blew my mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wga1nLKVlRs

He's pretty much a living, breathing synthesizer.  Someone ought to
commission a piece for him.

Brady

From gino at rastascan.com  Wed Jun 10 16:24:23 2009
From: gino at rastascan.com (Gino Robair)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:24:23 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Liz Allbee/Gino Robair cassette available
Message-ID: <C6558EB7.922%gino@rastascan.com>

Yes -- I said cassette! Actually, we have two limited-edition cassettes from
our electro-noise band, Schn?ffler. Both feature long-form, textural
improvisations featuring Liz on processed trumpet and me coaxing schmutz
from some analog synths (including the Blippoo box and Metasonix tube-synth,
the Wretch Machine).
 
Buero Bereich on Holy Cheever Church ($8 ppd in the US) is an edition of 70
with lovely yellow graphics in a trad k7 case. A review can be seen here:
http://earconditionednightmare.blogspot.com/2009/05/schnuffler-buero-bereich
-holy-cheever.html
 
Rauschbereich on Resipiscent ($10 ppd in the US) is a gorgeously packaged
edition of 56 in a 8.25"x12" library-style binder, with hand-made artwork by
Liz. It?s a little more expensive because of its size when shipping.
 
If you?d like copies of either, contact me off-list. I only have a few of
each. Most went to Berlin with Ms. Allbee.

Thanks for listening!


From weirdtones at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 10 16:21:22 2009
From: weirdtones at yahoo.com (Terrence McManus)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:21:22 -0400
Subject: [NewMusic] guitarist Terrence McManus
In-Reply-To: <C6558EB7.922%gino@rastascan.com>
References: <C6558EB7.922%gino@rastascan.com>
Message-ID: <E38CF802-6B8B-4C4A-80BE-5480CC50AD05@yahoo.com>

Hi-
I'm sorry if this is a repeat posting, but I couldn't figure out if  
my first one worked, and I just joined yesterday.

My name is Terrence McManus, and I am an experimental guitarist from  
NYC. I'm doing a solo tour of CA in July, and the first 5 dates are  
in the bay area.
It would be great to meet some of you.
I'm also available for lessons if someone you know might be  
interested, and I would be interested in collaborating with other  
improvisors during my time in the
bay area (June 30-July 7).

My website is:
http://terrence-mcmanus.com

The performance dates are as follows:
Thursday, July 2
9:00pm
  Terrence McManus/Scott Amendola(San Francisco, CA)
When Thu, July 2, 9pm ? 9pm
Where Bluesix Gallery 3043 24th st. @ Treat st. San Francisco, CA

Friday, July 3
8pm
Terrence McManus TBA Project
When Friday, Jul 3, 2009
Description Flux 53 Gallery 5300-5312 Foothill Boulevard Oakland, CA

Sunday, July 5
7:30pm
Terrence McManus Solo(San Francisco, CA)
When Sun, July 5, 7:30pm ? 8:30pm
Where Musicians Union Hall 116 9th St @ Mission, San Francisco (map)
Description SIMM Series

Monday, July 6(stay tuned for more info)
  Terrence McManus Solo
WhenMonday, Jul 6, 2009
Description Opening for Lost Science Location TBD

Tuesday, July 7
  Terrence McManus Solo(Berkeley, CA)
When Tuesday, Jul 7, 2009
Where 3111 Deakin St Berkeley, CA

I look forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely,
Terry

Born in Brooklyn, New York, guitarist Terrence McManus grew up in New  
Jersey and Connecticut. He has performed with Bill Frisell, Tim  
Berne, Ellery Eskelin, Herb Robertson, Mark Helias, Gerry Hemingway,  
Anthony Cox, Kermit Driscoll, Lindsey Horner, Gene Bertoncini, Russ  
Lossing, Marty Ehrlich, Mat Maneri, and Michael Sarin. He has  
performed at Carnegie Hall, the New York Guitar Festival, Ellis  
Island, and the inaugural month at John Zorn's The Stone. In 2006,  
Terrence formed Flattened Planet, a record label dedicated to the  
promotion of new, creative, and improvised music.

Terrence is currently a member of the Gerry Hemingway Quintet, the  
Kermit Driscoll Group, the Herb Robertson Ensemble, and the Hemingway/ 
McManus Duo. His own project, The Terrence McManus Ensemble, is  
unique in that the ensemble is comprised of several small groups with  
shifting personnel. One variation, the chamber ensemble The Dream of  
the Ants, with Ellery Eskelin and Gerry Hemingway, recently premiered  
a new sixty minute, multi-sectional, through-composed work entitled,  
The Machine.

In 2008 Terrence was featured in the book, State of the Axe: Guitar  
Masters in Photographs and Words, by legendary photographer Ralph  
Gibson. The book, published by Yale University Press, was produced in  
conjunction with The Museum of Fine Arts, in Houston, TX, where the  
book's images were on exhibition.

From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Wed Jun 10 16:38:45 2009
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:38:45 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Liz Allbee/Gino Robair cassette available
In-Reply-To: <C6558EB7.922%gino@rastascan.com>
References: <C6558EB7.922%gino@rastascan.com>
Message-ID: <c70e517b0906101638s216a3ffbl9e909d0fc016b643@mail.gmail.com>

I've been seeing a slathering of cassette-only releases recently. I
put out a couple cassettes in the 90s... Tapes were the cost-effective
solutions for small runs before it was possible to burn CDRs on a home
computer. What's the appeal to the artist and label for cassette
releases now?

I'm noticing a trend in recently manufactured boomboxes. Even though
some will give you a cassette deck, it rarely works correctly.

Other formats:
I know a few folks who have been releasing works by "dropcard". It's a
plastic business-card size thing that you can sell at shows. The buyer
pays for the card, then takes it home and logs the number into a
website where they can download your record. It's centered around
www.dropcards.com, but some cd manufacturers are now offering it as a
service too.

It's also possible to sell a cd "by USB" at shows. (Buyer brings a
USB, which you plug into your laptop and copy the files.) I'm hoping
that USBs may eventually get cheap enough that you could go on tour
with a box of 'em.

Matt

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Gino Robair<gino at rastascan.com> wrote:
> Yes -- I said cassette! Actually, we have two limited-edition cassettes from
> our electro-noise band, Schn?ffler. Both feature long-form, textural
> improvisations featuring Liz on processed trumpet and me coaxing schmutz
> from some analog synths (including the Blippoo box and Metasonix tube-synth,
> the Wretch Machine).
>
> Buero Bereich on Holy Cheever Church ($8 ppd in the US) is an edition of 70
> with lovely yellow graphics in a trad k7 case. A review can be seen here:
> http://earconditionednightmare.blogspot.com/2009/05/schnuffler-buero-bereich
> -holy-cheever.html
>
> Rauschbereich on Resipiscent ($10 ppd in the US) is a gorgeously packaged
> edition of 56 in a 8.25"x12" library-style binder, with hand-made artwork by
> Liz. It?s a little more expensive because of its size when shipping.
>
> If you?d like copies of either, contact me off-list. I only have a few of
> each. Most went to Berlin with Ms. Allbee.
>
> Thanks for listening!
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From michaelz at zoka.com  Wed Jun 10 17:41:10 2009
From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 17:41:10 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Liz Allbee/Gino Robair cassette available
In-Reply-To: <c70e517b0906101638s216a3ffbl9e909d0fc016b643@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C6558EB7.922%gino@rastascan.com>
	<c70e517b0906101638s216a3ffbl9e909d0fc016b643@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <p0624080ac656021e7181@[192.168.0.2]>

On 6/10/09, Matt Davignon wrote:

>It's also possible to sell a cd "by USB" at shows. (Buyer brings a
>USB, which you plug into your laptop and copy the files.) I'm hoping
>that USBs may eventually get cheap enough that you could go on tour
>with a box of 'em.

They are pretty cheap already.
For instance (and these are not the cheapest):

HP 1 GB USB 2.0 Flash Drive 5-Pack
$31.99
<http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001FB6POS>

On a 1 GB drive, you could include a full CD's worth of music, album 
artwork, performer photos. . . and probably even a short video clip 
of how your rig works.

Buy each drive for five or six bucks, then sell them at shows with 
all that "value-added" stuff for 10 bucks.

MZ


--------------michaelz at zoka.com---
             Michael Zelner
---Oakland CA USA------------------

From electric.tokyo at gmail.com  Wed Jun 10 18:53:59 2009
From: electric.tokyo at gmail.com (Travis Johns)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 18:53:59 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Liz Allbee/Gino Robair cassette available
In-Reply-To: <c70e517b0906101638s216a3ffbl9e909d0fc016b643@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C6558EB7.922%gino@rastascan.com>
	<c70e517b0906101638s216a3ffbl9e909d0fc016b643@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <d3165c060906101853v2b17038bt2ab746dd9303b149@mail.gmail.com>

obsolete is the new avant - everyone knows that.

one day in the future you'll be able to buy a designer hooded
sweatshirt with neon-colored silkscreens of discmen and cd's on it for
about $100.

on that day, compact discs will once again be cool.

i have seen the future, and it is 16-bit and 44.1k.

...or something like that. :)

(t)

On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:38 PM, Matt Davignon<mattdavignon at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've been seeing a slathering of cassette-only releases recently. I
> put out a couple cassettes in the 90s... Tapes were the cost-effective
> solutions for small runs before it was possible to burn CDRs on a home
> computer. What's the appeal to the artist and label for cassette
> releases now?
>
> I'm noticing a trend in recently manufactured boomboxes. Even though
> some will give you a cassette deck, it rarely works correctly.
>
> Other formats:
> I know a few folks who have been releasing works by "dropcard". It's a
> plastic business-card size thing that you can sell at shows. The buyer
> pays for the card, then takes it home and logs the number into a
> website where they can download your record. It's centered around
> www.dropcards.com, but some cd manufacturers are now offering it as a
> service too.
>
> It's also possible to sell a cd "by USB" at shows. (Buyer brings a
> USB, which you plug into your laptop and copy the files.) I'm hoping
> that USBs may eventually get cheap enough that you could go on tour
> with a box of 'em.
>
> Matt
>
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Gino Robair<gino at rastascan.com> wrote:
>> Yes -- I said cassette! Actually, we have two limited-edition cassettes from
>> our electro-noise band, Schn?ffler. Both feature long-form, textural
>> improvisations featuring Liz on processed trumpet and me coaxing schmutz
>> from some analog synths (including the Blippoo box and Metasonix tube-synth,
>> the Wretch Machine).
>>
>> Buero Bereich on Holy Cheever Church ($8 ppd in the US) is an edition of 70
>> with lovely yellow graphics in a trad k7 case. A review can be seen here:
>> http://earconditionednightmare.blogspot.com/2009/05/schnuffler-buero-bereich
>> -holy-cheever.html
>>
>> Rauschbereich on Resipiscent ($10 ppd in the US) is a gorgeously packaged
>> edition of 56 in a 8.25"x12" library-style binder, with hand-made artwork by
>> Liz. It?s a little more expensive because of its size when shipping.
>>
>> If you?d like copies of either, contact me off-list. I only have a few of
>> each. Most went to Berlin with Ms. Allbee.
>>
>> Thanks for listening!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Wed Jun 10 19:15:37 2009
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2009 19:15:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Liz Allbee/Gino Robair cassette available
Message-ID: <377954.87865.qm@web81404.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


Nice, but I don't have a cassette player.....


Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2009, at 5:41 PM, Michael Zelner <michaelz at zoka.com> wrote:

On 6/10/09, Matt Davignon wrote:

It's also possible to sell a cd "by USB" at shows. (Buyer brings a
USB, which you plug into your laptop and copy the files.) I'm hoping
that USBs may eventually get cheap enough that you could go on tour
with a box of 'em.

They are pretty cheap already.
For instance (and these are not the cheapest):

HP 1 GB USB 2.0 Flash Drive 5-Pack
$31.99
<http://www.amazon.com/dp/B001FB6POS>

On a 1 GB drive, you could include a full CD's worth of music, album 
artwork, performer photos. . . and probably even a short video clip 
of how your rig works.

Buy each drive for five or six bucks, then sell them at shows with 
all that "value-added" stuff for 10 bucks.

MZ


--------------michaelz at zoka.com---
            Michael Zelner
---Oakland CA USA------------------
_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


From magsatellite at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 11 09:05:10 2009
From: magsatellite at yahoo.com (J. Segel)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 09:05:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] NewMusic Digest, Vol 38, Issue 10
Message-ID: <863762.3656.qm@web45209.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>


> Nice, but I don't have a cassette player.....
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


yup, that pretty much spells it out for us.


MAGNETIC --- Jonathan Segel 
magsatellite-yahoo(.)com <---> jsegel-magneticmotorworks(.)com
http://www.MagneticMotorworks.com



      


From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Thu Jun 11 13:03:42 2009
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:03:42 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Death metal dog & cockatoo
Message-ID: <c70e517b0906111303ka29fe70yb049bdb72497c162@mail.gmail.com>

dog
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDt4mSspe04

cockatoo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWhxCB0ndJE

From jfheule at gmail.com  Thu Jun 11 13:24:24 2009
From: jfheule at gmail.com (jacob felix heule)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 13:24:24 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Death metal dog & cockatoo
In-Reply-To: <c70e517b0906111303ka29fe70yb049bdb72497c162@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c70e517b0906111303ka29fe70yb049bdb72497c162@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9c5cfa860906111324g5f20d935v415b479cfdb1d525@mail.gmail.com>

i thought you meant these:

http://www.myspace.com/caninus
http://www.myspace.com/beak666

jacob
..
http://www.myspace.com/jacobfelix
http://www.heule.us


On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Matt Davignon <mattdavignon at gmail.com>wrote:

> dog
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDt4mSspe04
>
> cockatoo
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWhxCB0ndJE
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Thu Jun 11 14:14:18 2009
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 14:14:18 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Electro-music 2009
Message-ID: <c70e517b0906111414w4915d1aeue6b3c6df8fdd4517@mail.gmail.com>

I've been hearing more about this festival every year. It's actually
more of an experimental electronic music convention than a concert or
performance opportunity. All participants must buy tickets and there
isn't any compensation for performing. However, I've talked to people
who've participated, and they've told me it's totally worth it.
(forwarded message below)

Matt



Call For Participation: electro-music 2009

Posted by: "Greg Waltzer" egwaltzer at comcast.net ? egwaltzer

Wed Jun?10,?2009 1:31?pm (PDT)

The electro-music festival is the world's premiere event for
experimental electronic music. Known as the "Woodstock of electronic
music," it features three full days of concerts, seminars,
demonstrations, and jam sessions. Electro-music 2009 will be held at the
Star Lake Camp in Bloomingdale, New Jersey, October 29 - 31, 2009. Now
in it's fifth year, we expect this to be the biggest and best
electro-music event ever!

The scope of this festival is very broad, covering all aspects of
electro-music: experimental electronic music, circuit bending, computer
music, electro-jazz, modular synthesis, musique concrete, improvisation,
algorithmic composition, multi-media, visual art and much more. The
focus will be on participant involvement, sharing, community
development, audience education, and great music.

You can actively participate in electro-music 2009 by performing music
or visuals, giving a seminar, workshop, or demonstration, joining the
jam sessions, or by volunteering to help with various tasks. Please
visit the web site for instructions on how to participate:
http://event.electro-music.com/
The deadline for application is June 30.

We regret that we cannot provide compensation for artists, or pay for
travel expenses. Artists who want to attend the festival (other than
their own performance) will need to purchase tickets. Available ticket
packages include food and lodging for one or three days.

From djll at sonic.net  Sat Jun 13 22:26:10 2009
From: djll at sonic.net (Tom Dill)
Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:26:10 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] The Eternal Return of Romantic Music
Message-ID: <A8239120-5A6B-4B59-A375-9BEAC3316589@sonic.net>



Tom Djll
227 Otis St.
Santa Cruz, CA 95060
(831) 429-8072  home
(831) 423-3050 office
(831) 320-1489 cell
djll at sonic.net
tom at mythmaker.com
www.mythmaker.com

Music, calendar, & bio:
http://www.bayimproviser.com/TomDjll

More music w/sound snippets:
http://www.myspace.com/analoguelipsynthesizer

Photography:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/djll/





From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Sun Jun 14 00:06:48 2009
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:06:48 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] The Quandry of Emails with a Tantalizing Subject but no
	Body Text
Message-ID: <c70e517b0906140006o7347cf14j8bc9bb4489c4e58f@mail.gmail.com>

Matt Davignon
www.ribosomemusic.com

From djll at sonic.net  Sun Jun 14 22:06:13 2009
From: djll at sonic.net (Tom Dill)
Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 22:06:13 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] The Quandry of Emails with a Tantalizing Subject but
	no Body Text
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1245038401.8369.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
References: <mailman.1.1245038401.8369.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <098674CD-F177-473E-A77B-95AB9FD974D4@sonic.net>

Sorry about that. There was just an attachment but I forgot the list  
doesn't support such things.

If anybody's still at all interested and/or awake, then go here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/djll/3623612759/

td

>
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2009 00:06:48 -0700
> From: Matt Davignon <mattdavignon at gmail.com>
> Subject: [NewMusic] The Quandry of Emails with a Tantalizing Subject
> 	but no	Body Text
> To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
> Message-ID:
> 	<c70e517b0906140006o7347cf14j8bc9bb4489c4e58f at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Matt Davignon
> www.ribosomemusic.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>


From slusser at pixar.com  Mon Jun 15 09:28:12 2009
From: slusser at pixar.com (David Slusser)
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2009 09:28:12 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Japanese 100v rigs
Message-ID: <7313557D-01EC-4694-9947-F9C2E32945F5@pixar.com>

If you like Matt Davignon's rig videos, you may enjoy this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X54RvzZKkI&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww% 
2Efacebook%2Ecom%2Fhome%2Ephp%3Fref%3Dhome&feature=player_embedded

From gino at rastascan.com  Tue Jun 16 23:13:14 2009
From: gino at rastascan.com (Gino Robair)
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:13:14 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] RIP Tina Marsh
Message-ID: <C65DD78A.9B5%gino@rastascan.com>

Just got the word that Tina Marsh left the planet at age 55. She was an
important part of the scene in Austin and the southern US, and quite
inspirational. Her enthusiasm was infectious and she'll be missed.

Here's the local blurb on her:

http://www.austin360.com/search/content/music/stories/2009/06/0617marshobit.
html


From pgsaxo at pacbell.net  Wed Jun 17 02:27:26 2009
From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 02:27:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] RIP Tina Marsh
Message-ID: <303475.55209.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


I didn't know her, but am sad to read the words.

The saxophonist Charlie Mariano died yesterday (Tuesday). I saw him once or twice, an interesting player...



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On Jun 16, 2009, at 11:13 PM, Gino Robair <gino at rastascan.com> wrote:

Just got the word that Tina Marsh left the planet at age 55. She was an
important part of the scene in Austin and the southern US, and quite
inspirational. Her enthusiasm was infectious and she'll be missed.

Here's the local blurb on her:

http://www.austin360.com/search/content/music/stories/2009/06/0617marshobit.
html

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From jon_raskin at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 17 06:17:59 2009
From: jon_raskin at yahoo.com (Jon Raskin)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 13:17:59 +0000
Subject: [NewMusic] RIP Tina Marsh
Message-ID: <75195025-1245244479-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-398566555-@bxe1099.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Very sad news indeed.  
------Original Message------
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To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
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Subject: [NewMusic] RIP Tina Marsh
Sent: Jun 16, 2009 11:13 PM

Just got the word that Tina Marsh left the planet at age 55. She was an
important part of the scene in Austin and the southern US, and quite
inspirational. Her enthusiasm was infectious and she'll be missed.

Here's the local blurb on her:

http://www.austin360.com/search/content/music/stories/2009/06/0617marshobit.
html

_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


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From michaelz at zoka.com  Wed Jun 17 10:32:49 2009
From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 10:32:49 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] RIP Tina Marsh
In-Reply-To: <C65DD78A.9B5%gino@rastascan.com>
References: <C65DD78A.9B5%gino@rastascan.com>
Message-ID: <p0624084ac65ed74360bf@[192.168.0.2]>

On 6/16/09, Gino Robair wrote:

>Just got the word that Tina Marsh left the planet at age 55. She was an
>important part of the scene in Austin and the southern US, and quite
>inspirational. Her enthusiasm was infectious and she'll be missed.

Yes, sad news. It's said that some leave us too soon, and in this 
case it's definitely true.

I wish she had been able to bring her large ensemble to the Bay Area 
more. Its performance at the Berkeley Store Gallery Annex in Nov. 
1998 was one of the highlights of the Beanbender's series (and that's 
not just the nostalgia talking). Almost 2-1/2 hours of great music. 
We were hoping to get to see her perform in Austin sometime. . .

MZ

--------------michaelz at zoka.com---
             Michael Zelner
---Oakland CA USA------------------

From 8vuit8 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 17 15:46:33 2009
From: 8vuit8 at gmail.com (Bob Marsh)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 15:46:33 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
Message-ID: <98e30a870906171546q58837b5br4a6b192cd85ac9a4@mail.gmail.com>

Suppose someone wanted to put together a really nice four day new music
festival with great local, national and international players with a nice
specturm of genres but then they decided to make it all on one night? Like
this Friday?

-- 
Bob Marsh
475 43rd Street
Richmond, CA 94805
510-236-2595 home
510-932-9268 cell
www.bobmarsh.net
www.myspace.com/emergencystringxtet
www.myspace.com/bobisadoctor
www.myspace.com/yollesmarsh
www.myspace.com/desperateremedies
www.myspace.com/mrhg80
www.myspace.com/8vuit8
www.myspace.com/ottoeight
www.myspace.com/thespiritmovesus

From jzitt at metatronpress.com  Wed Jun 17 16:39:46 2009
From: jzitt at metatronpress.com (Joseph Zitt)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:39:46 -0400
Subject: [NewMusic] RIP Tina Marsh
In-Reply-To: <C65DD78A.9B5%gino@rastascan.com>
References: <C65DD78A.9B5%gino@rastascan.com>
Message-ID: <cf60725f0906171639x10753ccdxc4a79d21854ba310@mail.gmail.com>

When, upon moving to Austin in 1989, I heard Tina Marsh, I knew I was in the
right place. I learned a lot about vocal improvisation and composing for
improvisers by listening to and observing her work. She'll be missed.

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 2:13 AM, Gino Robair <gino at rastascan.com> wrote:

> Just got the word that Tina Marsh left the planet at age 55. She was an
> important part of the scene in Austin and the southern US, and quite
> inspirational. Her enthusiasm was infectious and she'll be missed.
>
> Here's the local blurb on her:
>
>
> http://www.austin360.com/search/content/music/stories/2009/06/0617marshobit.
> html<http://www.austin360.com/search/content/music/stories/2009/06/0617marshobit.%0Ahtml>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>



-- 
Joseph Zitt :: The Path of the Bookseller :: blog.josephzitt.com

From 21grand at 21grand.org  Wed Jun 17 16:54:54 2009
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 16:54:54 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <98e30a870906171546q58837b5br4a6b192cd85ac9a4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C65ED05E.2BD99%21grand@21grand.org>

I would like to congratulate the genius, Weasel Walter for not having a show
this Friday.

sl

on 6/17/09 3:46 PM, Bob Marsh at 8vuit8 at gmail.com wrote:

> Suppose someone wanted to put together a really nice four day new music
> festival with great local, national and international players with a nice
> specturm of genres but then they decided to make it all on one night? Like
> this Friday?



From weaselw at juno.com  Wed Jun 17 17:01:14 2009
From: weaselw at juno.com (weasel walter)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:01:14 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
Message-ID: <20090617.170116.18540.28.weaselw@juno.com>

i just want to say that without damon smith, none of this would have been
possible. every time he touches the bass, buddha weeps.

ww
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From 8vuit8 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 17 17:10:56 2009
From: 8vuit8 at gmail.com (Bob Marsh)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:10:56 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <C65ED05E.2BD99%21grand@21grand.org>
References: <98e30a870906171546q58837b5br4a6b192cd85ac9a4@mail.gmail.com>
	<C65ED05E.2BD99%21grand@21grand.org>
Message-ID: <98e30a870906171710o717e47cfm960d5fd0c7e61c3e@mail.gmail.com>

maybe ww's gonna attend one of these fine events.
which one would it be?
he should really come to mines

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org>wrote:

> I would like to congratulate the genius, Weasel Walter for not having a
> show
> this Friday.
>
> sl
>
> on 6/17/09 3:46 PM, Bob Marsh at 8vuit8 at gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Suppose someone wanted to put together a really nice four day new music
> > festival with great local, national and international players with a nice
> > specturm of genres but then they decided to make it all on one night?
> Like
> > this Friday?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>



-- 
Bob Marsh
475 43rd Street
Richmond, CA 94805
510-236-2595 home
510-932-9268 cell
www.bobmarsh.net
www.myspace.com/bobisadoctor
www.myspace.com/yollesmarsh
www.myspace.com/desperateremedies
www.myspace.com/mrhg80
www.myspace.com/8vuit8
www.myspace.com/ottoeight
www.myspace.com/thespiritmovesus

From weaselw at juno.com  Wed Jun 17 17:20:06 2009
From: weaselw at juno.com (weasel walter)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:20:06 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
Message-ID: <20090617.172007.18540.29.weaselw@juno.com>

what is a fine event?

ww
 
On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:10:56 -0700 Bob Marsh <8vuit8 at gmail.com> writes:
> maybe ww's gonna attend one of these fine events.
> which one would it be?
> he should really come to mines
> 
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Sarah - 21 Grand 
> <21grand at 21grand.org>wrote:
> 
> > I would like to congratulate the genius, Weasel Walter for not 
> having a
> > show
> > this Friday.
> >
> > sl
> >
> > on 6/17/09 3:46 PM, Bob Marsh at 8vuit8 at gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Suppose someone wanted to put together a really nice four day 
> new music
> > > festival with great local, national and international players 
> with a nice
> > > specturm of genres but then they decided to make it all on one 
> night?
> > Like
> > > this Friday?
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Bob Marsh
> 475 43rd Street
> Richmond, CA 94805
> 510-236-2595 home
> 510-932-9268 cell
> www.bobmarsh.net
> www.myspace.com/bobisadoctor
> www.myspace.com/yollesmarsh
> www.myspace.com/desperateremedies
> www.myspace.com/mrhg80
> www.myspace.com/8vuit8
> www.myspace.com/ottoeight
> www.myspace.com/thespiritmovesus
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> 
> 
 
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From 8vuit8 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 17 17:21:12 2009
From: 8vuit8 at gmail.com (Bob Marsh)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:21:12 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <20090617.172007.18540.29.weaselw@juno.com>
References: <20090617.172007.18540.29.weaselw@juno.com>
Message-ID: <98e30a870906171721r1f3d3798wcc50d3e435c4c8e3@mail.gmail.com>

from the Italian finitto done over through

On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:20 PM, weasel walter <weaselw at juno.com> wrote:

> what is a fine event?
>
> ww
>
> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:10:56 -0700 Bob Marsh <8vuit8 at gmail.com> writes:
> > maybe ww's gonna attend one of these fine events.
> > which one would it be?
> > he should really come to mines
> >
> > On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Sarah - 21 Grand
> > <21grand at 21grand.org>wrote:
> >
> > > I would like to congratulate the genius, Weasel Walter for not
> > having a
> > > show
> > > this Friday.
> > >
> > > sl
> > >
> > > on 6/17/09 3:46 PM, Bob Marsh at 8vuit8 at gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > > Suppose someone wanted to put together a really nice four day
> > new music
> > > > festival with great local, national and international players
> > with a nice
> > > > specturm of genres but then they decided to make it all on one
> > night?
> > > Like
> > > > this Friday?
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Bob Marsh
> > 475 43rd Street
> > Richmond, CA 94805
> > 510-236-2595 home
> > 510-932-9268 cell
> > www.bobmarsh.net
> > www.myspace.com/bobisadoctor
> > www.myspace.com/yollesmarsh
> > www.myspace.com/desperateremedies
> > www.myspace.com/mrhg80
> > www.myspace.com/8vuit8
> > www.myspace.com/ottoeight
> > www.myspace.com/thespiritmovesus
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >
> >
>
> ____________________________________________________________
> Click to replace your roof - modern technology.
>
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTJr9FCGDgjZzeZNBbiTgSdDNi9pv3Zz96vAd9SCacIpN0X4Ev9Zja/
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>



-- 
Bob Marsh
475 43rd Street
Richmond, CA 94805
510-236-2595 home
510-932-9268 cell
www.bobmarsh.net
www.myspace.com/bobisadoctor
www.myspace.com/yollesmarsh
www.myspace.com/desperateremedies
www.myspace.com/mrhg80
www.myspace.com/8vuit8
www.myspace.com/ottoeight
www.myspace.com/thespiritmovesus

From damon at balancepointacoustics.com  Wed Jun 17 17:25:38 2009
From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:25:38 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <98e30a870906171721r1f3d3798wcc50d3e435c4c8e3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20090617.172007.18540.29.weaselw@juno.com>
	<98e30a870906171721r1f3d3798wcc50d3e435c4c8e3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <49FBC503-0063-4AEE-BF20-175CDF48E0C1@balancepointacoustics.com>

It is thinly disguised sausage - artificial casing, maybe.

On Jun 17, 2009, at 5:21 PM, Bob Marsh wrote:

> from the Italian finitto done over through
>
> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 5:20 PM, weasel walter <weaselw at juno.com>  
> wrote:
>
>> what is a fine event?
>>
>> ww
>>
>> On Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:10:56 -0700 Bob Marsh <8vuit8 at gmail.com>  
>> writes:
>>> maybe ww's gonna attend one of these fine events.
>>> which one would it be?
>>> he should really come to mines
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 4:54 PM, Sarah - 21 Grand
>>> <21grand at 21grand.org>wrote:
>>>
>>>> I would like to congratulate the genius, Weasel Walter for not
>>> having a
>>>> show
>>>> this Friday.
>>>>
>>>> sl
>>>>
>>>> on 6/17/09 3:46 PM, Bob Marsh at 8vuit8 at gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Suppose someone wanted to put together a really nice four day
>>> new music
>>>>> festival with great local, national and international players
>>> with a nice
>>>>> specturm of genres but then they decided to make it all on one
>>> night?
>>>> Like
>>>>> this Friday?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>>>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bob Marsh
>>> 475 43rd Street
>>> Richmond, CA 94805
>>> 510-236-2595 home
>>> 510-932-9268 cell
>>> www.bobmarsh.net
>>> www.myspace.com/bobisadoctor
>>> www.myspace.com/yollesmarsh
>>> www.myspace.com/desperateremedies
>>> www.myspace.com/mrhg80
>>> www.myspace.com/8vuit8
>>> www.myspace.com/ottoeight
>>> www.myspace.com/thespiritmovesus
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>>
>>>
>>
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> Click to replace your roof - modern technology.
>>
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/ 
>> BLSrjpTJr9FCGDgjZzeZNBbiTgSdDNi9pv3Zz96vAd9SCacIpN0X4Ev9Zja/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>
>
>
>
> -- 
> Bob Marsh
> 475 43rd Street
> Richmond, CA 94805
> 510-236-2595 home
> 510-932-9268 cell
> www.bobmarsh.net
> www.myspace.com/bobisadoctor
> www.myspace.com/yollesmarsh
> www.myspace.com/desperateremedies
> www.myspace.com/mrhg80
> www.myspace.com/8vuit8
> www.myspace.com/ottoeight
> www.myspace.com/thespiritmovesus
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

Damon Smith

http://www.balancepointacoustics.com
http://myspace.com/smithdamon
New solo project:
http://www.myspace.com/damonsmithsolo





From matt at sfsound.org  Wed Jun 17 17:31:23 2009
From: matt at sfsound.org (matt)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:31:23 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
References: <507CC2D2-EAAC-4B66-9EAA-068B04373A7E@att.net>
Message-ID: <9F20E7AC-4EF9-458C-B1F9-D625EC321D4D@sfsound.org>


better than little happening, i guess....   sometimes a lot of shows  
happening at once seems to get a bigger turnout for some reason --  
maybe makes people more likely to get out to at least one of them..

the transbay calendar has always encouraged people to use the  
bayimproviser/transbay online listing as a "conflict catcher" -- but  
has anyone ever done so?  except for luggage store and SIMMs, it is  
fairly rare ro see events entered more than a month or so ahead of  
time, even by the bigger and/or more planned-ahead folks.

conflicts are inevitable - but i would think everyone would want to  
try to avoid as many as possible...
i wonder if it would be good to approach someone like SF Friends of  
Chamber Music or sfcv.org
(or similar orgs not rooted in classical music?)
to try to get a "conflict catcher/look ahead" site going -- something  
where its really easy to just enter a date and title...



On Jun 17, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Bob Marsh wrote:

> Suppose someone wanted to put together a really nice four day new  
> music
> festival with great local, national and international players with a  
> nice
> specturm of genres but then they decided to make it all on one  
> night? Like
> this Friday?
>
> -- 
> Bob Marsh
> 475 43rd Street
> Richmond, CA 94805
> 510-236-2595 home
> 510-932-9268 cell
> www.bobmarsh.net
> www.myspace.com/emergencystringxtet
> www.myspace.com/bobisadoctor
> www.myspace.com/yollesmarsh
> www.myspace.com/desperateremedies
> www.myspace.com/mrhg80
> www.myspace.com/8vuit8
> www.myspace.com/ottoeight
> www.myspace.com/thespiritmovesus
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


m@



From damon at balancepointacoustics.com  Wed Jun 17 17:38:58 2009
From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:38:58 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <9F20E7AC-4EF9-458C-B1F9-D625EC321D4D@sfsound.org>
References: <507CC2D2-EAAC-4B66-9EAA-068B04373A7E@att.net>
	<9F20E7AC-4EF9-458C-B1F9-D625EC321D4D@sfsound.org>
Message-ID: <FBC19EE3-9B91-4FAB-A016-4F79BD81AAAD@balancepointacoustics.com>

I have mixed feelings about "conflicts", I have had concerts with  
good audiences on nights with a lot going on while hearing the other  
gigs did well, too. It seems like it can make audience members commit  
to doing something that night. It is still one of the reasons the  
"Genius on the mountain coming down once a year" strategy just  
doesn't work.


On Jun 17, 2009, at 5:31 PM, matt wrote:

>
> better than little happening, i guess....   sometimes a lot of shows
> happening at once seems to get a bigger turnout for some reason --
> maybe makes people more likely to get out to at least one of them..
>
> the transbay calendar has always encouraged people to use the
> bayimproviser/transbay online listing as a "conflict catcher" -- but
> has anyone ever done so?  except for luggage store and SIMMs, it is
> fairly rare ro see events entered more than a month or so ahead of
> time, even by the bigger and/or more planned-ahead folks.
>
> conflicts are inevitable - but i would think everyone would want to
> try to avoid as many as possible...
> i wonder if it would be good to approach someone like SF Friends of
> Chamber Music or sfcv.org
> (or similar orgs not rooted in classical music?)
> to try to get a "conflict catcher/look ahead" site going -- something
> where its really easy to just enter a date and title...
>
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Bob Marsh wrote:
>
>> Suppose someone wanted to put together a really nice four day new
>> music
>> festival with great local, national and international players with a
>> nice
>> specturm of genres but then they decided to make it all on one
>> night? Like
>> this Friday?
>>
>> -- 
>> Bob Marsh
>> 475 43rd Street
>> Richmond, CA 94805
>> 510-236-2595 home
>> 510-932-9268 cell
>> www.bobmarsh.net
>> www.myspace.com/emergencystringxtet
>> www.myspace.com/bobisadoctor
>> www.myspace.com/yollesmarsh
>> www.myspace.com/desperateremedies
>> www.myspace.com/mrhg80
>> www.myspace.com/8vuit8
>> www.myspace.com/ottoeight
>> www.myspace.com/thespiritmovesus
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>
> m@
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

Damon Smith

http://www.balancepointacoustics.com
http://myspace.com/smithdamon
New solo project:
http://www.myspace.com/damonsmithsolo





From 21grand at 21grand.org  Wed Jun 17 17:55:40 2009
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 17:55:40 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <9F20E7AC-4EF9-458C-B1F9-D625EC321D4D@sfsound.org>
Message-ID: <C65EDE9C.2BDA9%21grand@21grand.org>

on 6/17/09 5:31 PM, matt at matt at sfsound.org wrote:

> 
> the transbay calendar has always encouraged people to use the
> bayimproviser/transbay online listing as a "conflict catcher" -- but
> has anyone ever done so?

-- I do, as well as look at three to five other sites, though I failed to
notice that Nurse With Wound was playing on a night I booked a
relatively-similar show. Oops. I also take note of shows out-of-towners have
booked elsewhere when asked for a gig, and that influences my decision of
whether to book them based on how many local shows they're doing and where
else they're playing.


 except for luggage store and SIMMs, it is
> fairly rare ro see events entered more than a month or so ahead of
> time, even by the bigger and/or more planned-ahead folks.

-- If it's a potentially major thing that I think a lot of people would want
to know about to possibly book around/attend (like the Skronkathon), then
I'll post something months in advance. Otherwise, I wait until a few weeks
ahead of time, because I have other things that are more immediately
rewarding to do. 
> 
> conflicts are inevitable - but i would think everyone would want to
> try to avoid as many as possible...

-- going back to the scintillating previous discussion about
factionalization, there can easily be three shows listed on bayimproviser on
a Thursday night that would draw three different audiences with little
crossover, even if the other shows weren't going on.

> i wonder if it would be good to approach someone like SF Friends of
> Chamber Music or sfcv.org
> (or similar orgs not rooted in classical music?)
> to try to get a "conflict catcher/look ahead" site going -- something
> where its really easy to just enter a date and title...

-- bay improviser is a great site ... If it were possible (and it could very
well be) to just put in date and title and venue, that would probably be the
simplest solution than another calendar.

sl
> 



From suki at zoka.com  Wed Jun 17 19:09:16 2009
From: suki at zoka.com (Suki O'Kane)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 19:09:16 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <FBC19EE3-9B91-4FAB-A016-4F79BD81AAAD@balancepointacoustics.com>
References: <507CC2D2-EAAC-4B66-9EAA-068B04373A7E@att.net>
	<9F20E7AC-4EF9-458C-B1F9-D625EC321D4D@sfsound.org>
	<FBC19EE3-9B91-4FAB-A016-4F79BD81AAAD@balancepointacoustics.com>
Message-ID: <a06240804c65f3f214445@[192.168.0.8]>

Yeah,

The trick is to know if, after you entered a date and title, a 
conflict with SIMM or Friends of Chamber Music would actually deter a 
person from putting on a show. PamelaZ put together a google calendar 
where presenters post for conflict catching, but I know presenters 
who have declined to participate, or who have never been invited to 
post. Question mark, perennial, but I'm not trying to create rancor. 
I really doubt that Other Minds cares that there's a Corridor 
scheduled, or that San Francisco Contemporary Music Players is 
rolling the same weekend as Brutal Sound Effects. The experimental 
cinema community uses a bare bones script at hi-beam.net, but I tend 
to use that so I can apologize to Craig Baldwin in advance if I get 
jammed into a date against Other Cinema. The urge to cultivate 
cooperation is noble, don't get me wrong, and I will continue trying, 
but I can see how these tools seem merely another setting for 
unproductive business as usual.

The local habit of convening to play music as it suits the players 
and their audiences, virally advertised, seems to work in most cases. 
Every day has too many choices, from my perspective, a good thing, 
not to be changed. And a couple times each year there is so much 
great fucking music happening in one night all over town that I 
simply have to stay home, vaporlocked and watching a VHS copy of 
Brazil. Sorry in advance, it's the only thing I can do in the face of 
your collective excellence.

Putting the conflict catcher role of the Transbay aside, viral 
convening is also what makes the **printed** Transbay a rather 
useless thing, since the deadline of the 10th of any month may come 
and go before the idea for a most excellent gig even surfaces. 
Suppose Fest isn't in there, for example. I should put my hopes and 
fears for the Transbay in another thread, but  imho TB really should 
be a SFist/Bagatellen-style aggregator, with multiple points of view 
and media rich content.

One more digression / rant: After due diligence with conflict 
catching using less-than-ideal tools for less-than-ideal reasons, my 
fatigue with the traditional promotion drill (e.g. media sponsorship 
at ten weeks, editorial cultivation at eight weeks, press releases at 
six weeks, calendar listings at three weeks, posters at two weeks, 
radio at one week) has withered to mild contempt. Recognition of the 
scene, like recognition of everything else, is capricious and 
fleeting, and unrelated to the quality of the work being recognized. 
I'm not mad about it. For years now we've seen a shrinking media 
landscape that simply can't afford to promote the arts with 
information and critical discourse. It's embarrassing to take to the 
streets on this one, with the amount of truly objectionable things 
going on in this world, so I just relegate it to god damn fucking 
fuckeduppedness, balanced by being honest that being overlooked by 
local media can act as a disincentive, rebalanced by being happy when 
someone gets a little or a lot of ink (or tweet), or I learn about 
something, or somesound, from the very media channels I condemn.

crankily,
-s

At 5:38 PM -0700 6/17/09, Damon Smith wrote:
>I have mixed feelings about "conflicts", I have had concerts with 
>good audiences on nights with a lot going on while hearing the other 
>gigs did well, too. It seems like it can make audience members commit 
>to doing something that night. It is still one of the reasons the 
>"Genius on the mountain coming down once a year" strategy just 
>doesn't work.
>
>
>On Jun 17, 2009, at 5:31 PM, matt wrote:
>
>>
>>  better than little happening, i guess....   sometimes a lot of shows
>>  happening at once seems to get a bigger turnout for some reason --
>>  maybe makes people more likely to get out to at least one of them..
>>
>>  the transbay calendar has always encouraged people to use the
>>  bayimproviser/transbay online listing as a "conflict catcher" -- but
>>  has anyone ever done so?  except for luggage store and SIMMs, it is
>  > fairly rare ro see events entered more than a month or so ahead of
>>  time, even by the bigger and/or more planned-ahead folks.
>>
>>  conflicts are inevitable - but i would think everyone would want to
>>  try to avoid as many as possible...
>>  i wonder if it would be good to approach someone like SF Friends of
>>  Chamber Music or sfcv.org
>>  (or similar orgs not rooted in classical music?)
>>  to try to get a "conflict catcher/look ahead" site going -- something
>>  where its really easy to just enter a date and title...
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Jun 17, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Bob Marsh wrote:
>>
>>>  Suppose someone wanted to put together a really nice four day new
>>>  music
>>>  festival with great local, national and international players with a
>>>  nice
>>>  specturm of genres but then they decided to make it all on one
>>>  night? Like
>  >> this Friday?

-- 

suki o'kane
mailto:suki at zoka.com
http://www.myspace.com/sukiokane


From matt at sfsound.org  Wed Jun 17 20:18:41 2009
From: matt at sfsound.org (matt)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:18:41 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <a06240804c65f3f214445@[192.168.0.8]>
References: <507CC2D2-EAAC-4B66-9EAA-068B04373A7E@att.net>
	<9F20E7AC-4EF9-458C-B1F9-D625EC321D4D@sfsound.org>
	<FBC19EE3-9B91-4FAB-A016-4F79BD81AAAD@balancepointacoustics.com>
	<a06240804c65f3f214445@[192.168.0.8]>
Message-ID: <95B385D6-5E2B-48B8-AE41-A6CAC89E766C@sfsound.org>


On Jun 17, 2009, at 7:09 PM, Suki O'Kane wrote:

> I really doubt that Other Minds cares that there's a Corridor
> scheduled, or that San Francisco Contemporary Music Players is
> rolling the same weekend as Brutal Sound Effects.

well no.. BUT more likely would be something the other way around:  i  
don't want to schedule on my John Cage performance at 21grand the same  
night that OtherMinds is showing some John Cage Documentary at Kabuki  
Cinema.   i think if there was an easy, simple site up somewhere some  
of these big presenters would use it - they are as concerned as anyone  
about getting a good turnout.


>
> The local habit of convening to play music as it suits the players
> and their audiences, virally advertised, seems to work in most cases.
> Every day has too many choices, from my perspective, a good thing,
> not to be changed.

i doubt a conflict catcher would reduce the amount, hopefully, it  
would prevent something like what bob was complaining about this  
friday -- plus, smoothing things out a bit more makes more change of  
musicians going to other people's shows!!


> Putting the conflict catcher role of the Transbay aside, viral
> convening is also what makes the **printed** Transbay a rather
> useless thing, since the deadline of the 10th of any month may come

although a strong advocate of it when i first got involved,
i don't see the printed edition much use anymore -- i'm VERY grateful  
for the effort you put into it every month, but is it really worth it???




m@



From katttsammon at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 17 20:29:24 2009
From: katttsammon at hotmail.com (Kattt Atchley)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 20:29:24 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <a06240804c65f3f214445@[192.168.0.8]>
References: <507CC2D2-EAAC-4B66-9EAA-068B04373A7E@att.net>
	<9F20E7AC-4EF9-458C-B1F9-D625EC321D4D@sfsound.org>
	<FBC19EE3-9B91-4FAB-A016-4F79BD81AAAD@balancepointacoustics.com> 
	<a06240804c65f3f214445@[192.168.0.8]>
Message-ID: <SNT109-W1154DD4F86B5ACF88F6F74A23D0@phx.gbl>



Suki says:
> I really doubt that Other Minds cares that there's a Corridor 
> scheduled, or that San Francisco Contemporary Music Players is 
> rolling the same weekend as Brutal Sound Effects. 
* Actually...OM cares - here is my experience:
Last year POW Performance Art Festival was scheduled the same weekend as Other Minds. 
Neither myself or my co-conspirators were aware of the OM festival dates...and our mission so was so different than OM that we didn't even think to look. Though surprisingly our festival was picked up by the press and received some very nice press (this was very surprising! as press is always a gamble).
Very soon after the event...I was asked by Charles to be mindful of the dates for planning next year...and he happened to mentioned a festival event calendar (so you don't overlap on festivals)
So if you ever get the idea to plan what ends of turning into a festival (before you know it)...remembah there is a bay area festival calendar....anyone have the link to share with others? 
K







_________________________________________________________________
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From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Wed Jun 17 23:07:49 2009
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:07:49 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <SNT109-W1154DD4F86B5ACF88F6F74A23D0@phx.gbl>
References: <507CC2D2-EAAC-4B66-9EAA-068B04373A7E@att.net>
	<9F20E7AC-4EF9-458C-B1F9-D625EC321D4D@sfsound.org>
	<FBC19EE3-9B91-4FAB-A016-4F79BD81AAAD@balancepointacoustics.com>
	<a06240804c65f3f214445@192.168.0.8>
	<SNT109-W1154DD4F86B5ACF88F6F74A23D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <c70e517b0906172307n432e6ac1id9407c9c8dc54abc@mail.gmail.com>

bayimproviser.com has the most widely-used calendar of this type that
I know of for the bay area, and it's pretty easy to post to. It always
strikes me that the process of building a new resource would be
re-inventing the wheel. Why not point people to the resource that
already exists?

Matt Davignon
www.ribosomemusic.com

From adam at otherminds.org  Thu Jun 18 10:39:39 2009
From: adam at otherminds.org (Adam Fong)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:39:39 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <SNT109-W1154DD4F86B5ACF88F6F74A23D0@phx.gbl>
References: <507CC2D2-EAAC-4B66-9EAA-068B04373A7E@att.net>
	<9F20E7AC-4EF9-458C-B1F9-D625EC321D4D@sfsound.org>
	<FBC19EE3-9B91-4FAB-A016-4F79BD81AAAD@balancepointacoustics.com>
	<a06240804c65f3f214445@[192.168.0.8]>
	<SNT109-W1154DD4F86B5ACF88F6F74A23D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <FF756A47-0CF0-472E-A97C-D0F8D3B2A16B@otherminds.org>

Hey y'all,

Pamela Z's Google Calendar is alive and well and I'm trying to help  
keep it up and running although as has been said, not EVERYONE is  
participating in the effort. Matt D, I see your name on the list as a  
manager of the calendar, too... right now it's not a public list so I  
can't share the link, but I don't know what the theory behind that  
is. Groups represented on the list include Earplay, Kronos, SF  
Contemporary Music Players, Dresher, sfSound, SF Performances, Mills,  
Meridian Gallery, etc... you get the idea. Email me if you want to  
access the calendar; I'll investigate why it's not public already.

I'd be glad to hear suggestions of how we can communicate better  
about our planning dates.

As for OM, we definitely care about potential conflicts. I can't  
speak for other groups but we always want to stay out of the way of  
other new/experimental music projects, no matter the size. That said,  
things like the OM Festival have other restrictions that sometimes  
pin us into specific dates or give us very few choices. I know this  
is often the case with other groups, too, especially when it comes to  
booking a venue of appropriate size.

And if I can chime in about the Transbay Calendar: I definitely use  
it, but I get the feeling that our larger local music presenters  
aren't aware of it, or don't identify with its DIY style. I wonder if  
others on this list think it's a problem that SF Symphony and SF  
Performances don't post their new music events there? Do they exist  
in a separate world or is there really a need for a comprehensive  
listing?

adam


--
Adam Fong
Associate Director
Other Minds
333 Valencia Street, Suite 303
San Francisco, CA  94103
(415) 934-8134
(415) 934-8136 fax
adam at otherminds.org
http://www.otherminds.org
http://www.radiom.org



On Jun 17, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Kattt Atchley wrote:

>
>
> Suki says:
>> I really doubt that Other Minds cares that there's a Corridor
>> scheduled, or that San Francisco Contemporary Music Players is
>> rolling the same weekend as Brutal Sound Effects.
> * Actually...OM cares - here is my experience:
> Last year POW Performance Art Festival was scheduled the same  
> weekend as Other Minds.
> Neither myself or my co-conspirators were aware of the OM festival  
> dates...and our mission so was so different than OM that we didn't  
> even think to look. Though surprisingly our festival was picked up  
> by the press and received some very nice press (this was very  
> surprising! as press is always a gamble).
> Very soon after the event...I was asked by Charles to be mindful of  
> the dates for planning next year...and he happened to mentioned a  
> festival event calendar (so you don't overlap on festivals)
> So if you ever get the idea to plan what ends of turning into a  
> festival (before you know it)...remembah there is a bay area  
> festival calendar....anyone have the link to share with others?
> K
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you.
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290
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From matt at sfsound.org  Thu Jun 18 10:59:19 2009
From: matt at sfsound.org (matt)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:59:19 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <FF756A47-0CF0-472E-A97C-D0F8D3B2A16B@otherminds.org>
References: <507CC2D2-EAAC-4B66-9EAA-068B04373A7E@att.net>
	<9F20E7AC-4EF9-458C-B1F9-D625EC321D4D@sfsound.org>
	<FBC19EE3-9B91-4FAB-A016-4F79BD81AAAD@balancepointacoustics.com>
	<a06240804c65f3f214445@[192.168.0.8]>
	<SNT109-W1154DD4F86B5ACF88F6F74A23D0@phx.gbl>
	<FF756A47-0CF0-472E-A97C-D0F8D3B2A16B@otherminds.org>
Message-ID: <39569ED9-2AFF-415E-A16B-36150D0027D7@sfsound.org>

>
> Pamela Z's Google Calendar is alive and well and I'm trying to help

> sfSound,

i have no memory of participating in this or even knowing it existed!

> Email me if you want to
> access the calendar; I'll investigate why it's not public already.

yeah, it really needs to be publicly viewable to be useful, i think
  -- but this sounds like what i was thinking

if it would be easier to just have an email address where people can
send their info to for someone to enter it onto the calendar i would  
be willing
to be that person

m@



From 8vuit8 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 18 11:52:02 2009
From: 8vuit8 at gmail.com (Bob Marsh)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 11:52:02 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <FF756A47-0CF0-472E-A97C-D0F8D3B2A16B@otherminds.org>
References: <507CC2D2-EAAC-4B66-9EAA-068B04373A7E@att.net>
	<9F20E7AC-4EF9-458C-B1F9-D625EC321D4D@sfsound.org>
	<FBC19EE3-9B91-4FAB-A016-4F79BD81AAAD@balancepointacoustics.com>
	<a06240804c65f3f214445@192.168.0.8>
	<SNT109-W1154DD4F86B5ACF88F6F74A23D0@phx.gbl>
	<FF756A47-0CF0-472E-A97C-D0F8D3B2A16B@otherminds.org>
Message-ID: <98e30a870906181152g3e8aaa3bnb2a99f89ccddba00@mail.gmail.com>

I didn't really mean to complain. I was just a little astonished to see so
many events suddenly appear. It just seemed like a festival all on one
night, and it is quite festive. I wish I could go to several of them.

When I was picking a date, one consideration was what was already listed on
BayImproviser.com. The main conisderation was what date we could all make.
Also, the Meridian Gallery usually has a different crowd, people who would
not go to the Luggage Store or 21 Grand.

When choosing a day for the new Zeum series (maybe), I refused to have it on
a Thursday since the Luggage Store is just a couple blocks away. (applause
for Bob's imagined virtousness).



On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Adam Fong <adam at otherminds.org> wrote:

> Hey y'all,
>
> Pamela Z's Google Calendar is alive and well and I'm trying to help
> keep it up and running although as has been said, not EVERYONE is
> participating in the effort. Matt D, I see your name on the list as a
> manager of the calendar, too... right now it's not a public list so I
> can't share the link, but I don't know what the theory behind that
> is. Groups represented on the list include Earplay, Kronos, SF
> Contemporary Music Players, Dresher, sfSound, SF Performances, Mills,
> Meridian Gallery, etc... you get the idea. Email me if you want to
> access the calendar; I'll investigate why it's not public already.
>
> I'd be glad to hear suggestions of how we can communicate better
> about our planning dates.
>
> As for OM, we definitely care about potential conflicts. I can't
> speak for other groups but we always want to stay out of the way of
> other new/experimental music projects, no matter the size. That said,
> things like the OM Festival have other restrictions that sometimes
> pin us into specific dates or give us very few choices. I know this
> is often the case with other groups, too, especially when it comes to
> booking a venue of appropriate size.
>
> And if I can chime in about the Transbay Calendar: I definitely use
> it, but I get the feeling that our larger local music presenters
> aren't aware of it, or don't identify with its DIY style. I wonder if
> others on this list think it's a problem that SF Symphony and SF
> Performances don't post their new music events there? Do they exist
> in a separate world or is there really a need for a comprehensive
> listing?
>
> adam
>
>
> --
> Adam Fong
> Associate Director
> Other Minds
> 333 Valencia Street, Suite 303
> San Francisco, CA  94103
> (415) 934-8134
> (415) 934-8136 fax
> adam at otherminds.org
> http://www.otherminds.org
> http://www.radiom.org
>
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Kattt Atchley wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Suki says:
> >> I really doubt that Other Minds cares that there's a Corridor
> >> scheduled, or that San Francisco Contemporary Music Players is
> >> rolling the same weekend as Brutal Sound Effects.
> > * Actually...OM cares - here is my experience:
> > Last year POW Performance Art Festival was scheduled the same
> > weekend as Other Minds.
> > Neither myself or my co-conspirators were aware of the OM festival
> > dates...and our mission so was so different than OM that we didn't
> > even think to look. Though surprisingly our festival was picked up
> > by the press and received some very nice press (this was very
> > surprising! as press is always a gamble).
> > Very soon after the event...I was asked by Charles to be mindful of
> > the dates for planning next year...and he happened to mentioned a
> > festival event calendar (so you don't overlap on festivals)
> > So if you ever get the idea to plan what ends of turning into a
> > festival (before you know it)...remembah there is a bay area
> > festival calendar....anyone have the link to share with others?
> > K
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
> > Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you.
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocidftp_val_wl_290
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>



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www.myspace.com/ottoeight
www.myspace.com/thespiritmovesus

From td at pixar.com  Thu Jun 18 13:38:33 2009
From: td at pixar.com (Tom Duff)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:38:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Brumit buys a house, makes cnn.com
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0906181338080.26387@marvin.dynamic.pixar.com>


Jon Brumit just bought a house in Detroit.  For $100.  So CNN wrote a 
report:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/06/17/detroit.artists.homes/index.html?eref=rss_latest


-- 
Tom Duff.  Hwanon ferigeath ge faette scyldas?

From katttsammon at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 18 13:38:57 2009
From: katttsammon at hotmail.com (Kattt Atchley)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 13:38:57 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <FF756A47-0CF0-472E-A97C-D0F8D3B2A16B@otherminds.org>
References: <507CC2D2-EAAC-4B66-9EAA-068B04373A7E@att.net>
	<9F20E7AC-4EF9-458C-B1F9-D625EC321D4D@sfsound.org>
	<FBC19EE3-9B91-4FAB-A016-4F79BD81AAAD@balancepointacoustics.com>
	<a06240804c65f3f214445@[192.168.0.8]>
	<SNT109-W1154DD4F86B5ACF88F6F74A23D0@phx.gbl> 
	<FF756A47-0CF0-472E-A97C-D0F8D3B2A16B@otherminds.org>
Message-ID: <SNT109-W324FBCB832487F92A9647CA23D0@phx.gbl>




> From: adam at otherminds.org
> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:39:39 -0700
> To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
> 
> Hey y'all,
> 
> Pamela Z's Google Calendar is alive and well and I'm trying to help  
> keep it up and running although as has been said, not EVERYONE is  
> participating in the effort. Matt D, I see your name on the list as a  
> manager of the calendar, too... right now it's not a public list so I  
> can't share the link, but I don't know what the theory behind that  
> is. Groups represented on the list include Earplay, Kronos, SF  
> Contemporary Music Players, Dresher, sfSound, SF Performances, Mills,  
> Meridian Gallery, etc... you get the idea. Email me if you want to  
> access the calendar; I'll investigate why it's not public already.
> 
> I'd be glad to hear suggestions of how we can communicate better  
> about our planning dates.
I wonder if it would be worth having a *bay area new/experimental organizer resources guide (for the mud puddle)*  as a wiki page posted on websites (such as the transbay calendar and places...). Because then organizers could be directed to one area (e.g., have that one area make folks aware of stuff like PZ's global calendar, bigger to grassroots organizer and other organizing tips). 
I think what's unique about new /experimental arts is that most of us who perform also book shows and above all no matter how big you are it's a mud puddle (locally, nationally and internationally - whether you are funded or not funded)
K

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From letucepry at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 18 14:43:36 2009
From: letucepry at yahoo.com (Ron Lettuce)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 14:43:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Brumit buys a house, makes cnn.com
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0906181338080.26387@marvin.dynamic.pixar.com>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0906181338080.26387@marvin.dynamic.pixar.com>
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SEE....ARTISTS DREAM!!!

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That's $250...als yous got to do is SURVIVE...

lettuce


?



________________________________
From: Tom Duff <td at pixar.com>
To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 1:38:33 PM
Subject: [NewMusic] Brumit buys a house, makes cnn.com


Jon Brumit just bought a house in Detroit.? For $100.? So CNN wrote a 
report:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/06/17/detroit.artists.homes/index.html?eref=rss_latest


-- 
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From pamelaz at pamelaz.com  Thu Jun 18 16:58:49 2009
From: pamelaz at pamelaz.com (Pamela Z)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 16:58:49 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
In-Reply-To: <FF756A47-0CF0-472E-A97C-D0F8D3B2A16B@otherminds.org>
References: <507CC2D2-EAAC-4B66-9EAA-068B04373A7E@att.net>
	<9F20E7AC-4EF9-458C-B1F9-D625EC321D4D@sfsound.org>
	<FBC19EE3-9B91-4FAB-A016-4F79BD81AAAD@balancepointacoustics.com>
	<a06240804c65f3f214445@[192.168.0.8]>
	<SNT109-W1154DD4F86B5ACF88F6F74A23D0@phx.gbl>
	<FF756A47-0CF0-472E-A97C-D0F8D3B2A16B@otherminds.org>
Message-ID: <71BDC437-B230-4DD4-AE35-0C5CE4918BF5@pamelaz.com>

Hi Everyone,

Sorry, I've been too deadline overwhelmed to follow this list lately,  
but someone just alerted me to this thread.

So, yes.  There is a cloud calendar on Google Calendars called "Bay  
Area New Music Planning Calendar."  I created it about a year and a  
half ago or something because Charles was sending around an email  
copied to a long list of local new music presenters and curators, and  
people were adding their events and then replying-to-all and it was  
fragmenting and escalating into a bit of a mess.  I suggested to the  
group in the cc list, "why don't we make and online calendar for this  
purpose?"  I didn't suggest using the Bay Improvisor calendar or any  
of the other existing ones, because the purpose of this one was not to  
publicize events to audience but to share planned dates with other  
organizers (as a conflict-catcher or coordination helper of sorts.)  I  
shared it with all the names in Charles' cc list, plus I tried to  
think of other people off the top of my head like Matt, Suki, Rent  
etc. I didn't really think it through too thoroughly? thus the  
questions about making it public, making the entire new music  
community aware of it etc didn't get addressed.

Anyhow, a lot of people started adding their upcoming seasons to the  
calendar as they planned them.  There currently are dates on this  
calendar going into 2010 at this point.  I really like knowing when  
new music festivals and series are happening next, so it's been really  
helpful to me.  (A lot of you are actually in the list of of people  
the calendar was shared with, by the way.  You would have gotten  
emails back when I did it.  I even remember a few people replying back  
to me: "Why not just use BayImprovisor?"....)

So, today, seeing this thread, I've changed the settings to public.   
I'm not completely clear on how that works. (I don't know if everyone  
can post to it now, or just read it.) But this can be further  
explored.  I can't test it because I'm already logged into it, but  
perhaps you can go to  http://www.google.com/calendar and search on  
"Bay Area New Music Planning Calendar" there.   Perhaps if someone is  
interested, they can contact me and we can work on it together a  
little more.   ma++ even suggested changing it to a website that  
someone administers and everyone else just sends that person the  
dates, but that seems like a lot of work for someone.

Anyhow, that's the scoop on the Google cal.
Cheers,

Pamela



On Jun 18, 2009, at 10:39 AM, Adam Fong wrote:

> Hey y'all,
>
> Pamela Z's Google Calendar is alive and well and I'm trying to help
> keep it up and running although as has been said, not EVERYONE is
> participating in the effort. Matt D, I see your name on the list as a
> manager of the calendar, too... right now it's not a public list so I
> can't share the link, but I don't know what the theory behind that
> is. Groups represented on the list include Earplay, Kronos, SF
> Contemporary Music Players, Dresher, sfSound, SF Performances, Mills,
> Meridian Gallery, etc... you get the idea. Email me if you want to
> access the calendar; I'll investigate why it's not public already.
>
> I'd be glad to hear suggestions of how we can communicate better
> about our planning dates.
>
> As for OM, we definitely care about potential conflicts. I can't
> speak for other groups but we always want to stay out of the way of
> other new/experimental music projects, no matter the size. That said,
> things like the OM Festival have other restrictions that sometimes
> pin us into specific dates or give us very few choices. I know this
> is often the case with other groups, too, especially when it comes to
> booking a venue of appropriate size.
>
> And if I can chime in about the Transbay Calendar: I definitely use
> it, but I get the feeling that our larger local music presenters
> aren't aware of it, or don't identify with its DIY style. I wonder if
> others on this list think it's a problem that SF Symphony and SF
> Performances don't post their new music events there? Do they exist
> in a separate world or is there really a need for a comprehensive
> listing?
>
> adam
>
>
> --
> Adam Fong
> Associate Director
> Other Minds
> 333 Valencia Street, Suite 303
> San Francisco, CA  94103
> (415) 934-8134
> (415) 934-8136 fax
> adam at otherminds.org
> http://www.otherminds.org
> http://www.radiom.org
>
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Kattt Atchley wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Suki says:
>>> I really doubt that Other Minds cares that there's a Corridor
>>> scheduled, or that San Francisco Contemporary Music Players is
>>> rolling the same weekend as Brutal Sound Effects.
>> * Actually...OM cares - here is my experience:
>> Last year POW Performance Art Festival was scheduled the same
>> weekend as Other Minds.
>> Neither myself or my co-conspirators were aware of the OM festival
>> dates...and our mission so was so different than OM that we didn't
>> even think to look. Though surprisingly our festival was picked up
>> by the press and received some very nice press (this was very
>> surprising! as press is always a gamble).
>> Very soon after the event...I was asked by Charles to be mindful of
>> the dates for planning next year...and he happened to mentioned a
>> festival event calendar (so you don't overlap on festivals)
>> So if you ever get the idea to plan what ends of turning into a
>> festival (before you know it)...remembah there is a bay area
>> festival calendar....anyone have the link to share with others?
>> K
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you.
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


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From suki at zoka.com  Thu Jun 18 17:02:46 2009
From: suki at zoka.com (suki at zoka.com)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 20:02:46 -0400
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
Message-ID: <380-2200965190246655@M2W004.mail2web.com>

OM cares! Thanks I stand corrected.

I also have access to the google calendar and make the effort to throw
SFEMF, thingamajigs, outsound summit and sperryFest etc. out there as I
learn of them. While we figure out how to increase access people are
welcome to email me deets as well.

sounds like a quick search function at transbaycalendar.org may be in
order, although the text itself is very searchable.

As to use of the calendar by other presenters - assuming bandwidth issues.

-s

Original Message:
-----------------
From: Adam Fong adam at otherminds.org
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:39:39 -0700
To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest


Hey y'all,

Pamela Z's Google Calendar is alive and well and I'm trying to help  
keep it up and running although as has been said, not EVERYONE is  
participating in the effort. Matt D, I see your name on the list as a  
manager of the calendar, too... right now it's not a public list so I  
can't share the link, but I don't know what the theory behind that  
is. Groups represented on the list include Earplay, Kronos, SF  
Contemporary Music Players, Dresher, sfSound, SF Performances, Mills,  
Meridian Gallery, etc... you get the idea. Email me if you want to  
access the calendar; I'll investigate why it's not public already.

I'd be glad to hear suggestions of how we can communicate better  
about our planning dates.

As for OM, we definitely care about potential conflicts. I can't  
speak for other groups but we always want to stay out of the way of  
other new/experimental music projects, no matter the size. That said,  
things like the OM Festival have other restrictions that sometimes  
pin us into specific dates or give us very few choices. I know this  
is often the case with other groups, too, especially when it comes to  
booking a venue of appropriate size.

And if I can chime in about the Transbay Calendar: I definitely use  
it, but I get the feeling that our larger local music presenters  
aren't aware of it, or don't identify with its DIY style. I wonder if  
others on this list think it's a problem that SF Symphony and SF  
Performances don't post their new music events there? Do they exist  
in a separate world or is there really a need for a comprehensive  
listing?

adam


--
Adam Fong
Associate Director
Other Minds
333 Valencia Street, Suite 303
San Francisco, CA  94103
(415) 934-8134
(415) 934-8136 fax
adam at otherminds.org
http://www.otherminds.org
http://www.radiom.org



On Jun 17, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Kattt Atchley wrote:

>
>
> Suki says:
>> I really doubt that Other Minds cares that there's a Corridor
>> scheduled, or that San Francisco Contemporary Music Players is
>> rolling the same weekend as Brutal Sound Effects.
> * Actually...OM cares - here is my experience:
> Last year POW Performance Art Festival was scheduled the same  
> weekend as Other Minds.
> Neither myself or my co-conspirators were aware of the OM festival  
> dates...and our mission so was so different than OM that we didn't  
> even think to look. Though surprisingly our festival was picked up  
> by the press and received some very nice press (this was very  
> surprising! as press is always a gamble).
> Very soon after the event...I was asked by Charles to be mindful of  
> the dates for planning next year...and he happened to mentioned a  
> festival event calendar (so you don't overlap on festivals)
> So if you ever get the idea to plan what ends of turning into a  
> festival (before you know it)...remembah there is a bay area  
> festival calendar....anyone have the link to share with others?
> K
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you.
> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid?p_val_wl_290
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

_______________________________________________
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NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


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From matt at sfsound.org  Thu Jun 18 17:16:22 2009
From: matt at sfsound.org (matt)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:16:22 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <380-2200965190246655@M2W004.mail2web.com>
References: <380-2200965190246655@M2W004.mail2web.com>
Message-ID: <A1329DF2-2EA0-4650-875F-6D61821A0786@sfsound.org>

we could ask john lee to
embed the calendar into the transbay/bayimproviser event submission  
page and then put a message next to it
to email (me or suki or whoever) if you want your event to be included  
in this.

<iframe src="http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=v3d7nip9pgub68tcoj9kv66rgc%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/Los_Angeles 
" style="border: 0" width="800" height="600" frameborder="0"  
scrolling="no"></iframe>

-m

On Jun 18, 2009, at 5:02 PM, suki at zoka.com wrote:

> OM cares! Thanks I stand corrected.
>
> I also have access to the google calendar and make the effort to throw
> SFEMF, thingamajigs, outsound summit and sperryFest etc. out there  
> as I
> learn of them. While we figure out how to increase access people are
> welcome to email me deets as well.
>
> sounds like a quick search function at transbaycalendar.org may be in
> order, although the text itself is very searchable.
>
> As to use of the calendar by other presenters - assuming bandwidth  
> issues.
>
> -s
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Adam Fong adam at otherminds.org
> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:39:39 -0700
> To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
>
>
> Hey y'all,
>
> Pamela Z's Google Calendar is alive and well and I'm trying to help
> keep it up and running although as has been said, not EVERYONE is
> participating in the effort. Matt D, I see your name on the list as a
> manager of the calendar, too... right now it's not a public list so I
> can't share the link, but I don't know what the theory behind that
> is. Groups represented on the list include Earplay, Kronos, SF
> Contemporary Music Players, Dresher, sfSound, SF Performances, Mills,
> Meridian Gallery, etc... you get the idea. Email me if you want to
> access the calendar; I'll investigate why it's not public already.
>
> I'd be glad to hear suggestions of how we can communicate better
> about our planning dates.
>
> As for OM, we definitely care about potential conflicts. I can't
> speak for other groups but we always want to stay out of the way of
> other new/experimental music projects, no matter the size. That said,
> things like the OM Festival have other restrictions that sometimes
> pin us into specific dates or give us very few choices. I know this
> is often the case with other groups, too, especially when it comes to
> booking a venue of appropriate size.
>
> And if I can chime in about the Transbay Calendar: I definitely use
> it, but I get the feeling that our larger local music presenters
> aren't aware of it, or don't identify with its DIY style. I wonder if
> others on this list think it's a problem that SF Symphony and SF
> Performances don't post their new music events there? Do they exist
> in a separate world or is there really a need for a comprehensive
> listing?
>
> adam
>
>
> --
> Adam Fong
> Associate Director
> Other Minds
> 333 Valencia Street, Suite 303
> San Francisco, CA  94103
> (415) 934-8134
> (415) 934-8136 fax
> adam at otherminds.org
> http://www.otherminds.org
> http://www.radiom.org
>
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Kattt Atchley wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Suki says:
>>> I really doubt that Other Minds cares that there's a Corridor
>>> scheduled, or that San Francisco Contemporary Music Players is
>>> rolling the same weekend as Brutal Sound Effects.
>> * Actually...OM cares - here is my experience:
>> Last year POW Performance Art Festival was scheduled the same
>> weekend as Other Minds.
>> Neither myself or my co-conspirators were aware of the OM festival
>> dates...and our mission so was so different than OM that we didn't
>> even think to look. Though surprisingly our festival was picked up
>> by the press and received some very nice press (this was very
>> surprising! as press is always a gamble).
>> Very soon after the event...I was asked by Charles to be mindful of
>> the dates for planning next year...and he happened to mentioned a
>> festival event calendar (so you don't overlap on festivals)
>> So if you ever get the idea to plan what ends of turning into a
>> festival (before you know it)...remembah there is a bay area
>> festival calendar....anyone have the link to share with others?
>> K
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you.
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid?p_val_wl_290
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
> _______________________________________________
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m@



From michaelz at zoka.com  Thu Jun 18 17:21:41 2009
From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:21:41 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
In-Reply-To: <71BDC437-B230-4DD4-AE35-0C5CE4918BF5@pamelaz.com>
References: <507CC2D2-EAAC-4B66-9EAA-068B04373A7E@att.net>
	<9F20E7AC-4EF9-458C-B1F9-D625EC321D4D@sfsound.org>
	<FBC19EE3-9B91-4FAB-A016-4F79BD81AAAD@balancepointacoustics.com>
	<a06240804c65f3f214445@[192.168.0.8]>
	<SNT109-W1154DD4F86B5ACF88F6F74A23D0@phx.gbl>
	<FF756A47-0CF0-472E-A97C-D0F8D3B2A16B@otherminds.org>
	<71BDC437-B230-4DD4-AE35-0C5CE4918BF5@pamelaz.com>
Message-ID: <p06240816c6608a24b7a1@[192.168.0.2]>

On 6/18/09, Pamela Z tried to post this:

>Hi Everyone,
>
>Sorry, I've been too deadline overwhelmed to follow this list 
>lately, but someone just alerted me to this thread.
>
>So, yes. There is a cloud calendar on Google Calendars called "Bay 
>Area New Music Planning Calendar." I created it about a year and a 
>half ago or something because Charles was sending around an email 
>copied to a long list of local new music presenters and curators, 
>and people were adding their events and then replying-to-all and it 
>was fragmenting and escalating into a bit of a mess. I suggested to 
>the group in the cc list, "why don't we make and online calendar for 
>this purpose?" I didn't suggest using the Bay Improvisor calendar or 
>any of the other existing ones, because the purpose of this one was 
>not to publicize events to audience but to share planned dates with 
>other organizers (as a conflict-catcher or coordination helper of 
>sorts.) I shared it with all the names in Charles' cc list, plus I 
>tried to think of other people off the top of my head like Matt, 
>Suki, Rent etc. I didn't really think it through too thoroughly- 
>thus the questions about making it public, making the entire new 
>music community aware of it etc didn't get addressed.
>
>Anyhow, a lot of people started adding their upcoming seasons to the 
>calendar as they planned them. There currently are dates on this 
>calendar going into 2010 at this point. I really like knowing when 
>new music festivals and series are happening next, so it's been 
>really helpful to me. (A lot of you are actually in the list of of 
>people the calendar was shared with, by the way. You would have 
>gotten emails back when I did it. I even remember a few people 
>replying back to me: "Why not just use BayImprovisor?"....)
>
>So, today, seeing this thread, I've changed the settings to public. 
>I'm not completely clear on how that works. (I don't know if 
>everyone can post to it now, or just read it.) But this can be 
>further explored. I can't test it because I'm already logged into 
>it, but perhaps you can go to http://www.google.com/calendar and 
>search on "Bay Area New Music Planning Calendar" there. Perhaps if 
>someone is interested, they can contact me and we can work on it 
>together a little more. ma++ even suggested changing it to a website 
>that someone administers and everyone else just sends that person 
>the dates, but that seems like a lot of work for someone.
>
>Anyhow, that's the scoop on the Google cal. Cheers,
>
>Pamela


<http://music.mills.edu/pipermail/newmusic/2009-June/024663.html>


--------------michaelz at zoka.com---
             Michael Zelner
---Oakland CA USA------------------

From 21grand at 21grand.org  Thu Jun 18 17:26:58 2009
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:26:58 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
In-Reply-To: <p06240816c6608a24b7a1@[192.168.0.2]>
Message-ID: <C6602962.2BE10%21grand@21grand.org>

It would've been great if someone had told me about this, since we present
more new music shows than anywhere/anyone else - though I guess that depends
on how you define it, and what's "us" and "not us" - which is another
age-old discussion.

sl

on 6/18/09 5:21 PM, Michael Zelner at michaelz at zoka.com wrote:

> On 6/18/09, Pamela Z tried to post this:
> 
>> Hi Everyone,
>> 
>> Sorry, I've been too deadline overwhelmed to follow this list
>> lately, but someone just alerted me to this thread.
>> 
>> So, yes. There is a cloud calendar on Google Calendars called "Bay
>> Area New Music Planning Calendar." I created it about a year and a
>> half ago or something because Charles was sending around an email
>> copied to a long list of local new music presenters and curators,
>> and people were adding their events and then replying-to-all and it
>> was fragmenting and escalating into a bit of a mess. I suggested to
>> the group in the cc list, "why don't we make and online calendar for
>> this purpose?" I didn't suggest using the Bay Improvisor calendar or
>> any of the other existing ones, because the purpose of this one was
>> not to publicize events to audience but to share planned dates with
>> other organizers (as a conflict-catcher or coordination helper of
>> sorts.) I shared it with all the names in Charles' cc list, plus I
>> tried to think of other people off the top of my head like Matt,
>> Suki, Rent etc. I didn't really think it through too thoroughly-
>> thus the questions about making it public, making the entire new
>> music community aware of it etc didn't get addressed.
>> 
>> Anyhow, a lot of people started adding their upcoming seasons to the
>> calendar as they planned them. There currently are dates on this
>> calendar going into 2010 at this point. I really like knowing when
>> new music festivals and series are happening next, so it's been
>> really helpful to me. (A lot of you are actually in the list of of
>> people the calendar was shared with, by the way. You would have
>> gotten emails back when I did it. I even remember a few people
>> replying back to me: "Why not just use BayImprovisor?"....)
>> 
>> So, today, seeing this thread, I've changed the settings to public.
>> I'm not completely clear on how that works. (I don't know if
>> everyone can post to it now, or just read it.) But this can be
>> further explored. I can't test it because I'm already logged into
>> it, but perhaps you can go to http://www.google.com/calendar and
>> search on "Bay Area New Music Planning Calendar" there. Perhaps if
>> someone is interested, they can contact me and we can work on it
>> together a little more. ma++ even suggested changing it to a website
>> that someone administers and everyone else just sends that person
>> the dates, but that seems like a lot of work for someone.
>> 
>> Anyhow, that's the scoop on the Google cal. Cheers,
>> 
>> Pamela
> 
> 
> <http://music.mills.edu/pipermail/newmusic/2009-June/024663.html>
> 
> 
> --------------michaelz at zoka.com---
>              Michael Zelner
> ---Oakland CA USA------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic



From weaselw at juno.com  Thu Jun 18 17:34:26 2009
From: weaselw at juno.com (weasel walter)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:34:26 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
Message-ID: <20090618.173430.18540.79.weaselw@juno.com>

i'd like like to take a moment here and give props to ronald macdonald
for inventing the snack everybody on the improv scene here loves -
hamburgers! everytime i eat one, i feel like a square mile of my own
personal rain forest dies. keep kicking ass, mickey d!

ww

On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:26:58 -0700 Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org>
writes:
> It would've been great if someone had told me about this, since we 
> present more new music shows than anywhere/anyone else - though I guess
that 
> depends on how you define it, and what's "us" and "not us" - which is 
> another age-old discussion.
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From 21grand at 21grand.org  Thu Jun 18 17:38:17 2009
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:38:17 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
In-Reply-To: <20090618.173430.18540.79.weaselw@juno.com>
Message-ID: <C6602C09.2BE13%21grand@21grand.org>

I actually don't love hamburgers. I prefer pizza. But now that you mention
it, we should all consider the brilliant thing that is pizza - combining at
least three of the four major food groups into one delectable concoction.

sl

on 6/18/09 5:34 PM, weasel walter at weaselw at juno.com wrote:

> i'd like like to take a moment here and give props to ronald macdonald
> for inventing the snack everybody on the improv scene here loves -
> hamburgers! everytime i eat one, i feel like a square mile of my own
> personal rain forest dies. keep kicking ass, mickey d!
> 
> ww
> 
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:26:58 -0700 Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org>
> writes:
>> It would've been great if someone had told me about this, since we
>> present more new music shows than anywhere/anyone else - though I guess
> that 
>> depends on how you define it, and what's "us" and "not us" - which is
>> another age-old discussion.
> ____________________________________________________________
> Click here for great quotes from top international movers!
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTMAuShIcc6TZVbafmZJPyb9Zw3gC
> cYw2n8KSm9FYVLBx8BM6XqhEk/
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic




From matt at sfsound.org  Thu Jun 18 17:48:56 2009
From: matt at sfsound.org (matt)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:48:56 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
In-Reply-To: <C6602C09.2BE13%21grand@21grand.org>
References: <C6602C09.2BE13%21grand@21grand.org>
Message-ID: <952F6CC7-3AEA-488F-AEF9-A25D0AF5291B@sfsound.org>

On Jun 18, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Sarah - 21 Grand wrote:
> I actually don't love hamburgers. I prefer pizza.

speaking of 21grand and pizza,

there's a new cafe across broadway from 21grand: "cafe noir" -- nice  
and spacious -- their pizzas (wood fired style or however you would  
call it)
are pretty good and reasonably priced.  ive been meaning to go back  
and try the coffee
don't know if they are open for dinner yet...

on a related topic, i just discovered this magazine shop on side  
street off piedmont ave -- around the corner from peet's
AFAIK, they are the only ones in the east bay to carry Signal To  
Noise, Wire, etc..


m@



From 8vuit8 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 18 17:43:09 2009
From: 8vuit8 at gmail.com (Bob Marsh)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:43:09 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
In-Reply-To: <C6602C09.2BE13%21grand@21grand.org>
References: <20090618.173430.18540.79.weaselw@juno.com>
	<C6602C09.2BE13%21grand@21grand.org>
Message-ID: <98e30a870906181743l3c808adbi773e47b9c09ee2bb@mail.gmail.com>

now we're getting somewhere!
finally
ww drags us kicking and screaming into reality
thanx

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 5:38 PM, Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org>wrote:

> I actually don't love hamburgers. I prefer pizza. But now that you mention
> it, we should all consider the brilliant thing that is pizza - combining at
> least three of the four major food groups into one delectable concoction.
>
> sl
>
> on 6/18/09 5:34 PM, weasel walter at weaselw at juno.com wrote:
>
> > i'd like like to take a moment here and give props to ronald macdonald
> > for inventing the snack everybody on the improv scene here loves -
> > hamburgers! everytime i eat one, i feel like a square mile of my own
> > personal rain forest dies. keep kicking ass, mickey d!
> >
> > ww
> >
> > On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:26:58 -0700 Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org
> >
> > writes:
> >> It would've been great if someone had told me about this, since we
> >> present more new music shows than anywhere/anyone else - though I guess
> > that
> >> depends on how you define it, and what's "us" and "not us" - which is
> >> another age-old discussion.
> > ____________________________________________________________
> > Click here for great quotes from top international movers!
> >
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTMAuShIcc6TZVbafmZJPyb9Zw3gC
> > cYw2n8KSm9FYVLBx8BM6XqhEk/
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>



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From 21grand at 21grand.org  Thu Jun 18 18:01:11 2009
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:01:11 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
In-Reply-To: <952F6CC7-3AEA-488F-AEF9-A25D0AF5291B@sfsound.org>
Message-ID: <C6603167.2BE17%21grand@21grand.org>

You mean Issues? Joe Colley and his partner Noella (who used to do promo at
KUSF) own it.  They just had their 2 year anniversary.


sl

on 6/18/09 5:48 PM, matt at matt at sfsound.org wrote:

> On Jun 18, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Sarah - 21 Grand wrote:
>> I actually don't love hamburgers. I prefer pizza.
> 
> speaking of 21grand and pizza,
> 
> there's a new cafe across broadway from 21grand: "cafe noir" -- nice
> and spacious -- their pizzas (wood fired style or however you would
> call it)
> are pretty good and reasonably priced.  ive been meaning to go back
> and try the coffee
> don't know if they are open for dinner yet...
> 
> on a related topic, i just discovered this magazine shop on side
> street off piedmont ave -- around the corner from peet's
> AFAIK, they are the only ones in the east bay to carry Signal To
> Noise, Wire, etc..
> 
> 
> m@
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic



From pamelaz at pamelaz.com  Thu Jun 18 18:04:16 2009
From: pamelaz at pamelaz.com (Pamela Z)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:04:16 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
In-Reply-To: <C6602962.2BE10%21grand@21grand.org>
References: <C6602962.2BE10%21grand@21grand.org>
Message-ID: <83A2361E-4AB6-4E94-91A9-D4355D1A1B48@pamelaz.com>

Yeah, my bad.  I think I missed a lot of pretty important folks in the  
off-the-top-of-my-head list I assembled the day I put the calendar  
up.  But going forward it's there and can be available to all...

p


On Jun 18, 2009, at 5:26 PM, Sarah - 21 Grand wrote:

> It would've been great if someone had told me about this, since we  
> present
> more new music shows than anywhere/anyone else - though I guess that  
> depends
> on how you define it, and what's "us" and "not us" - which is another
> age-old discussion.
>
> sl
>
> on 6/18/09 5:21 PM, Michael Zelner at michaelz at zoka.com wrote:
>
>> On 6/18/09, Pamela Z tried to post this:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> Sorry, I've been too deadline overwhelmed to follow this list
>>> lately, but someone just alerted me to this thread.
>>>
>>> So, yes. There is a cloud calendar on Google Calendars called "Bay
>>> Area New Music Planning Calendar." I created it about a year and a
>>> half ago or something because Charles was sending around an email
>>> copied to a long list of local new music presenters and curators,
>>> and people were adding their events and then replying-to-all and it
>>> was fragmenting and escalating into a bit of a mess. I suggested to
>>> the group in the cc list, "why don't we make and online calendar for
>>> this purpose?" I didn't suggest using the Bay Improvisor calendar or
>>> any of the other existing ones, because the purpose of this one was
>>> not to publicize events to audience but to share planned dates with
>>> other organizers (as a conflict-catcher or coordination helper of
>>> sorts.) I shared it with all the names in Charles' cc list, plus I
>>> tried to think of other people off the top of my head like Matt,
>>> Suki, Rent etc. I didn't really think it through too thoroughly-
>>> thus the questions about making it public, making the entire new
>>> music community aware of it etc didn't get addressed.
>>>
>>> Anyhow, a lot of people started adding their upcoming seasons to the
>>> calendar as they planned them. There currently are dates on this
>>> calendar going into 2010 at this point. I really like knowing when
>>> new music festivals and series are happening next, so it's been
>>> really helpful to me. (A lot of you are actually in the list of of
>>> people the calendar was shared with, by the way. You would have
>>> gotten emails back when I did it. I even remember a few people
>>> replying back to me: "Why not just use BayImprovisor?"....)
>>>
>>> So, today, seeing this thread, I've changed the settings to public.
>>> I'm not completely clear on how that works. (I don't know if
>>> everyone can post to it now, or just read it.) But this can be
>>> further explored. I can't test it because I'm already logged into
>>> it, but perhaps you can go to http://www.google.com/calendar and
>>> search on "Bay Area New Music Planning Calendar" there. Perhaps if
>>> someone is interested, they can contact me and we can work on it
>>> together a little more. ma++ even suggested changing it to a website
>>> that someone administers and everyone else just sends that person
>>> the dates, but that seems like a lot of work for someone.
>>>
>>> Anyhow, that's the scoop on the Google cal. Cheers,
>>>
>>> Pamela
>>
>>
>> <http://music.mills.edu/pipermail/newmusic/2009-June/024663.html>
>>
>>
>> --------------michaelz at zoka.com---
>>             Michael Zelner
>> ---Oakland CA USA------------------
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>
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From jon_raskin at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 18 18:14:36 2009
From: jon_raskin at yahoo.com (Jon Raskin)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:14:36 +0000
Subject: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
Message-ID: <1442077054-1245373873-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1071612512-@bxe1099.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Wimpy is rolling in his grave.
------Original Message------
From: weasel walter
Sender: newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu
To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
Cc: newmusic at music.mills.edu
ReplyTo: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
Sent: Jun 18, 2009 5:34 PM

i'd like like to take a moment here and give props to ronald macdonald
for inventing the snack everybody on the improv scene here loves -
hamburgers! everytime i eat one, i feel like a square mile of my own
personal rain forest dies. keep kicking ass, mickey d!

ww

On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:26:58 -0700 Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org>
writes:
> It would've been great if someone had told me about this, since we 
> present more new music shows than anywhere/anyone else - though I guess
that 
> depends on how you define it, and what's "us" and "not us" - which is 
> another age-old discussion.
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From jon_raskin at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 18 18:22:03 2009
From: jon_raskin at yahoo.com (Jon Raskin)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 01:22:03 +0000
Subject: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
Message-ID: <501028214-1245374323-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-195707256-@bxe1099.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Great store, get coffee, magazine and cigar all right there
------Original Message------
From: Sarah - 21 Grand
Sender: newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu
To: Banewmus List
ReplyTo: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
Sent: Jun 18, 2009 6:01 PM

You mean Issues? Joe Colley and his partner Noella (who used to do promo at
KUSF) own it.  They just had their 2 year anniversary.


sl

on 6/18/09 5:48 PM, matt at matt at sfsound.org wrote:

> On Jun 18, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Sarah - 21 Grand wrote:
>> I actually don't love hamburgers. I prefer pizza.
> 
> speaking of 21grand and pizza,
> 
> there's a new cafe across broadway from 21grand: "cafe noir" -- nice
> and spacious -- their pizzas (wood fired style or however you would
> call it)
> are pretty good and reasonably priced.  ive been meaning to go back
> and try the coffee
> don't know if they are open for dinner yet...
> 
> on a related topic, i just discovered this magazine shop on side
> street off piedmont ave -- around the corner from peet's
> AFAIK, they are the only ones in the east bay to carry Signal To
> Noise, Wire, etc..
> 
> 
> m@
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


_______________________________________________
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From jzitt at metatronpress.com  Thu Jun 18 18:19:14 2009
From: jzitt at metatronpress.com (Joseph Zitt)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:19:14 -0400
Subject: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
In-Reply-To: <952F6CC7-3AEA-488F-AEF9-A25D0AF5291B@sfsound.org>
References: <C6602C09.2BE13%21grand@21grand.org>
	<952F6CC7-3AEA-488F-AEF9-A25D0AF5291B@sfsound.org>
Message-ID: <cf60725f0906181819o4ff8d996ne90b4f436a46ea26@mail.gmail.com>

FWIW, I used to pick those magazines up at Pegasus on Shattuck, as well as
at my own employer's shops. But, from the one time that I got over there,
Issues looked like a very good shop, too.

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 8:48 PM, matt <matt at sfsound.org> wrote:

> On Jun 18, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Sarah - 21 Grand wrote:
> > I actually don't love hamburgers. I prefer pizza.
>
> speaking of 21grand and pizza,
>
> there's a new cafe across broadway from 21grand: "cafe noir" -- nice
> and spacious -- their pizzas (wood fired style or however you would
> call it)
> are pretty good and reasonably priced.  ive been meaning to go back
> and try the coffee
> don't know if they are open for dinner yet...
>
> on a related topic, i just discovered this magazine shop on side
> street off piedmont ave -- around the corner from peet's
> AFAIK, they are the only ones in the east bay to carry Signal To
> Noise, Wire, etc..
>
>
> m@
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>



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From jzitt at metatronpress.com  Thu Jun 18 18:20:25 2009
From: jzitt at metatronpress.com (Joseph Zitt)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:20:25 -0400
Subject: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
In-Reply-To: <1442077054-1245373873-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1071612512-@bxe1099.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1442077054-1245373873-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1071612512-@bxe1099.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <cf60725f0906181820u74bcc621q9609215b9cf1a263@mail.gmail.com>

Soylent Green is people.

On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 9:14 PM, Jon Raskin <jon_raskin at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Wimpy is rolling in his grave.
> ------Original Message------
> From: weasel walter
> Sender: newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu
> To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> Cc: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> ReplyTo: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
> Sent: Jun 18, 2009 5:34 PM
>
> i'd like like to take a moment here and give props to ronald macdonald
> for inventing the snack everybody on the improv scene here loves -
> hamburgers! everytime i eat one, i feel like a square mile of my own
> personal rain forest dies. keep kicking ass, mickey d!
>
> ww
>
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:26:58 -0700 Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org>
> writes:
> > It would've been great if someone had told me about this, since we
> > present more new music shows than anywhere/anyone else - though I guess
> that
> > depends on how you define it, and what's "us" and "not us" - which is
> > another age-old discussion.
> ____________________________________________________________
> Click here for great quotes from top international movers!
>
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTMAuShIcc6TZVbafmZJPyb9Zw3gCcYw2n8KSm9FYVLBx8BM6XqhEk/
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> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>
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From gino at rastascan.com  Thu Jun 18 18:54:10 2009
From: gino at rastascan.com (Gino Robair)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 18:54:10 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Battery-powered amp, anyone?
Message-ID: <C6603DD2.A77%gino@rastascan.com>

Hey listers,
Does anyone here have one of those Roland Microcube amps that runs on
batteries and would be willing to loan it to me for a day or two?
Or, do you have some other battery-powered amp (non-Roland)?

Looks like I need one forthis Sunday at the Chapel of the Chimes event.

Please contact me off-list.
Thanks!
ginorobair


From katttsammon at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 18 21:23:58 2009
From: katttsammon at hotmail.com (Kattt Atchley)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 21:23:58 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
In-Reply-To: <cf60725f0906181820u74bcc621q9609215b9cf1a263@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1442077054-1245373873-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1071612512-@bxe1099.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<cf60725f0906181820u74bcc621q9609215b9cf1a263@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SNT109-W16DC8C6FEB277D06C24AACA23A0@phx.gbl>


re: zitt says
> Soylent Green is people.
re: kattt saysnah it's p?t? ... 


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From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com  Thu Jun 18 22:51:50 2009
From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 22:51:50 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
In-Reply-To: <C6602C09.2BE13%21grand@21grand.org>
References: <C6602C09.2BE13%21grand@21grand.org>
Message-ID: <FAE6AADE-88A7-4C76-A887-9DAEA71F9494@matthewgoodheart.com>

Oh, there's a place on Monterey that has the best pizza in a cup ever.  
This guy is unbelievable. He ran the old Cup 'o Pizza guy out of  
business.

mg

On Jun 18, 2009, at 5:38 PM, Sarah - 21 Grand wrote:

> I actually don't love hamburgers. I prefer pizza. But now that you  
> mention
> it, we should all consider the brilliant thing that is pizza -  
> combining at
> least three of the four major food groups into one delectable  
> concoction.
>
> sl
>
> on 6/18/09 5:34 PM, weasel walter at weaselw at juno.com wrote:
>
>> i'd like like to take a moment here and give props to ronald  
>> macdonald
>> for inventing the snack everybody on the improv scene here loves -
>> hamburgers! everytime i eat one, i feel like a square mile of my own
>> personal rain forest dies. keep kicking ass, mickey d!
>>
>> ww
>>
>> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:26:58 -0700 Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org 
>> >
>> writes:
>>> It would've been great if someone had told me about this, since we
>>> present more new music shows than anywhere/anyone else - though I  
>>> guess
>> that
>>> depends on how you define it, and what's "us" and "not us" - which  
>>> is
>>> another age-old discussion.
>> ____________________________________________________________
>> Click here for great quotes from top international movers!
>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/BLSrjpTMAuShIcc6TZVbafmZJPyb9Zw3gC
>> cYw2n8KSm9FYVLBx8BM6XqhEk/
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

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From weaselw at juno.com  Thu Jun 18 23:38:29 2009
From: weaselw at juno.com (weasel walter)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:38:29 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
Message-ID: <20090618.234318.18540.82.weaselw@juno.com>

hey .  . . i'm just a guy who loves hamburgers!

ww
 
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:43:09 -0700 Bob Marsh <8vuit8 at gmail.com> writes:
> now we're getting somewhere!
> finally ww drags us kicking and screaming into reality
> thanx
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From damon at balancepointacoustics.com  Thu Jun 18 23:45:47 2009
From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith)
Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 23:45:47 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
In-Reply-To: <20090618.234318.18540.82.weaselw@juno.com>
References: <20090618.234318.18540.82.weaselw@juno.com>
Message-ID: <60E93A6B-B628-43FF-8739-A53C752B6F8E@balancepointacoustics.com>

Apple fritters?
On Jun 18, 2009, at 11:38 PM, weasel walter wrote:

> hey .  . . i'm just a guy who loves hamburgers!
>
> ww
>
> On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 17:43:09 -0700 Bob Marsh <8vuit8 at gmail.com>  
> writes:
>> now we're getting somewhere!
>> finally ww drags us kicking and screaming into reality
>> thanx
> ____________________________________________________________
> Put your future on the fast track with a pharmacy career. Click now!
> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/ 
> BLSrjpTEMzJNwiTVfXqlwsYCDe6W8bv339NtZk3gS7xjo8TV7nVWacG5zXK/
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

Damon Smith

http://www.balancepointacoustics.com
http://myspace.com/smithdamon
New solo project:
http://www.myspace.com/damonsmithsolo





From jfheule at gmail.com  Fri Jun 19 00:32:29 2009
From: jfheule at gmail.com (jacob felix heule)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 00:32:29 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
In-Reply-To: <60E93A6B-B628-43FF-8739-A53C752B6F8E@balancepointacoustics.com>
References: <20090618.234318.18540.82.weaselw@juno.com>
	<60E93A6B-B628-43FF-8739-A53C752B6F8E@balancepointacoustics.com>
Message-ID: <9c5cfa860906190032k36d8280bye44340eb4bfbfbe6@mail.gmail.com>

VooDoo Doughnut in Portland has amazing apple fritters. Anything competitive
in the Bay Area?
Their peach fritters with cream cheese frosting are damn good too.

jacob
..
http://www.myspace.com/jacobfelix
http://www.heule.us


On Thu, Jun 18, 2009 at 11:45 PM, Damon Smith <
damon at balancepointacoustics.com> wrote:

> Apple fritters?

From jon_raskin at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 19 09:17:33 2009
From: jon_raskin at yahoo.com (Jon Raskin)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:17:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest (Pamela's Event Planning Calendar)
In-Reply-To: <A1329DF2-2EA0-4650-875F-6D61821A0786@sfsound.org>
References: <380-2200965190246655@M2W004.mail2web.com>
	<A1329DF2-2EA0-4650-875F-6D61821A0786@sfsound.org>
Message-ID: <291422.56066.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

I'm going to be talking to?Jon Lee today at noon and will bring?up the? bayimproviser.com link to the planning?calendar.? I would like to have access to this calendar and will put the Rova events up as well. I can see it but can't add it to my calendars in my google account.??I think?I need the email address of the owner to get in.? The more tools that we have?like this the better.?

I've talked with Kate Dumbleton?her experience in Chicago and they?seem to be ahead able to turn the effort into performanaces in other markets for Chicago musicians. 

Jon Raskin




________________________________
From: matt <matt at sfsound.org>
To: suki at zoka.com; Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:16:22 PM
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest

we could ask john lee to
embed the calendar into the transbay/bayimproviser event submission
page and then put a message next to it
to email (me or suki or whoever) if you want your event to be included
in this.

<iframe src="http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=v3d7nip9pgub68tcoj9kv66rgc%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/Los_Angeles
" style="border: 0" width="800" height="600" frameborder="0"
scrolling="no"></iframe>

-m

On Jun 18, 2009, at 5:02 PM, suki at zoka.com wrote:

> OM cares! Thanks I stand corrected.
>
> I also have access to the google calendar and make the effort to throw
> SFEMF, thingamajigs, outsound summit and sperryFest etc. out there
> as I
> learn of them. While we figure out how to increase access people are
> welcome to email me deets as well.
>
> sounds like a quick search function at transbaycalendar.org may be in
> order, although the text itself is very searchable.
>
> As to use of the calendar by other presenters - assuming bandwidth
> issues.
>
> -s
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Adam Fong adam at otherminds.org
> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:39:39 -0700
> To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
>
>
> Hey y'all,
>
> Pamela Z's Google Calendar is alive and well and I'm trying to help
> keep it up and running although as has been said, not EVERYONE is
> participating in the effort. Matt D, I see your name on the list as a
> manager of the calendar, too... right now it's not a public list so I
> can't share the link, but I don't know what the theory behind that
> is. Groups represented on the list include Earplay, Kronos, SF
> Contemporary Music Players, Dresher, sfSound, SF Performances, Mills,
> Meridian Gallery, etc... you get the idea. Email me if you want to
> access the calendar; I'll investigate why it's not public already.
>
> I'd be glad to hear suggestions of how we can communicate better
> about our planning dates.
>
> As for OM, we definitely care about potential conflicts. I can't
> speak for other groups but we always want to stay out of the way of
> other new/experimental music projects, no matter the size. That said,
> things like the OM Festival have other restrictions that sometimes
> pin us into specific dates or give us very few choices. I know this
> is often the case with other groups, too, especially when it comes to
> booking a venue of appropriate size.
>
> And if I can chime in about the Transbay Calendar: I definitely use
> it, but I get the feeling that our larger local music presenters
> aren't aware of it, or don't identify with its DIY style. I wonder if
> others on this list think it's a problem that SF Symphony and SF
> Performances don't post their new music events there? Do they exist
> in a separate world or is there really a need for a comprehensive
> listing?
>
> adam
>
>
> --
> Adam Fong
> Associate Director
> Other Minds
> 333 Valencia Street, Suite 303
> San Francisco, CA? 94103
> (415) 934-8134
> (415) 934-8136 fax
> adam at otherminds.org
> http://www.otherminds.org
> http://www.radiom.org
>
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Kattt Atchley wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Suki says:
>>> I really doubt that Other Minds cares that there's a Corridor
>>> scheduled, or that San Francisco Contemporary Music Players is
>>> rolling the same weekend as Brutal Sound Effects.
>> * Actually...OM cares - here is my experience:
>> Last year POW Performance Art Festival was scheduled the same
>> weekend as Other Minds.
>> Neither myself or my co-conspirators were aware of the OM festival
>> dates...and our mission so was so different than OM that we didn't
>> even think to look. Though surprisingly our festival was picked up
>> by the press and received some very nice press (this was very
>> surprising! as press is always a gamble).
>> Very soon after the event...I was asked by Charles to be mindful of
>> the dates for planning next year...and he happened to mentioned a
>> festival event calendar (so you don't overlap on festivals)
>> So if you ever get the idea to plan what ends of turning into a
>> festival (before you know it)...remembah there is a bay area
>> festival calendar....anyone have the link to share with others?
>> K
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you.
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid?p_val_wl_290
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> mail2web - Check your email from the web at
> http://mail2web.com/ .
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

m@


_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

From letucepry at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 19 09:24:32 2009
From: letucepry at yahoo.com (Ron Lettuce)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:24:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
In-Reply-To: <SNT109-W16DC8C6FEB277D06C24AACA23A0@phx.gbl>
References: <1442077054-1245373873-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1071612512-@bxe1099.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<cf60725f0906181820u74bcc621q9609215b9cf1a263@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT109-W16DC8C6FEB277D06C24AACA23A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <299936.58896.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

incidentally not the first time the "Soylent Green is people" comment has appeared on this list...

as for pate...

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/05/01/tech/main4984433.shtml




________________________________
From: Kattt Atchley <katttsammon at hotmail.com>
To: newmusic at music.mills.edu; jon_raskin at yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 9:23:58 PM
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar


re: zitt says
> Soylent Green is people.
re: kattt saysnah it's p?t? ...


_________________________________________________________________
Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290
_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

From letucepry at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 19 09:30:51 2009
From: letucepry at yahoo.com (Ron Lettuce)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:30:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest (Pamela's Event Planning Calendar)
In-Reply-To: <291422.56066.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
References: <380-2200965190246655@M2W004.mail2web.com>
	<A1329DF2-2EA0-4650-875F-6D61821A0786@sfsound.org>
	<291422.56066.qm@web55606.mail.re4.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <180095.52760.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

Or, if you're handy with PHP, you can just use the CURL package to co-opt the content on the bayimproviser.com page...




________________________________
From: Jon Raskin <jon_raskin at yahoo.com>
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 9:17:33 AM
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest (Pamela's Event Planning Calendar)

I'm going to be talking to?Jon Lee today at noon and will bring?up the? bayimproviser.com link to the planning?calendar.? I would like to have access to this calendar and will put the Rova events up as well. I can see it but can't add it to my calendars in my google account.??I think?I need the email address of the owner to get in.? The more tools that we have?like this the better.?

I've talked with Kate Dumbleton?her experience in Chicago and they?seem to be ahead able to turn the effort into performanaces in other markets for Chicago musicians.

Jon Raskin




________________________________
From: matt <matt at sfsound.org>
To: suki at zoka.com; Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Thursday, June 18, 2009 5:16:22 PM
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest

we could ask john lee to
embed the calendar into the transbay/bayimproviser event submission
page and then put a message next to it
to email (me or suki or whoever) if you want your event to be included
in this.

<iframe src="http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=v3d7nip9pgub68tcoj9kv66rgc%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=America/Los_Angeles
" style="border: 0" width="800" height="600" frameborder="0"
scrolling="no"></iframe>

-m

On Jun 18, 2009, at 5:02 PM, suki at zoka.com wrote:

> OM cares! Thanks I stand corrected.
>
> I also have access to the google calendar and make the effort to throw
> SFEMF, thingamajigs, outsound summit and sperryFest etc. out there
> as I
> learn of them. While we figure out how to increase access people are
> welcome to email me deets as well.
>
> sounds like a quick search function at transbaycalendar.org may be in
> order, although the text itself is very searchable.
>
> As to use of the calendar by other presenters - assuming bandwidth
> issues.
>
> -s
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Adam Fong adam at otherminds.org
> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:39:39 -0700
> To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
>
>
> Hey y'all,
>
> Pamela Z's Google Calendar is alive and well and I'm trying to help
> keep it up and running although as has been said, not EVERYONE is
> participating in the effort. Matt D, I see your name on the list as a
> manager of the calendar, too... right now it's not a public list so I
> can't share the link, but I don't know what the theory behind that
> is. Groups represented on the list include Earplay, Kronos, SF
> Contemporary Music Players, Dresher, sfSound, SF Performances, Mills,
> Meridian Gallery, etc... you get the idea. Email me if you want to
> access the calendar; I'll investigate why it's not public already.
>
> I'd be glad to hear suggestions of how we can communicate better
> about our planning dates.
>
> As for OM, we definitely care about potential conflicts. I can't
> speak for other groups but we always want to stay out of the way of
> other new/experimental music projects, no matter the size. That said,
> things like the OM Festival have other restrictions that sometimes
> pin us into specific dates or give us very few choices. I know this
> is often the case with other groups, too, especially when it comes to
> booking a venue of appropriate size.
>
> And if I can chime in about the Transbay Calendar: I definitely use
> it, but I get the feeling that our larger local music presenters
> aren't aware of it, or don't identify with its DIY style. I wonder if
> others on this list think it's a problem that SF Symphony and SF
> Performances don't post their new music events there? Do they exist
> in a separate world or is there really a need for a comprehensive
> listing?
>
> adam
>
>
> --
> Adam Fong
> Associate Director
> Other Minds
> 333 Valencia Street, Suite 303
> San Francisco, CA? 94103
> (415) 934-8134
> (415) 934-8136 fax
> adam at otherminds.org
> http://www.otherminds.org
> http://www.radiom.org
>
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Kattt Atchley wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Suki says:
>>> I really doubt that Other Minds cares that there's a Corridor
>>> scheduled, or that San Francisco Contemporary Music Players is
>>> rolling the same weekend as Brutal Sound Effects.
>> * Actually...OM cares - here is my experience:
>> Last year POW Performance Art Festival was scheduled the same
>> weekend as Other Minds.
>> Neither myself or my co-conspirators were aware of the OM festival
>> dates...and our mission so was so different than OM that we didn't
>> even think to look. Though surprisingly our festival was picked up
>> by the press and received some very nice press (this was very
>> surprising! as press is always a gamble).
>> Very soon after the event...I was asked by Charles to be mindful of
>> the dates for planning next year...and he happened to mentioned a
>> festival event calendar (so you don't overlap on festivals)
>> So if you ever get the idea to plan what ends of turning into a
>> festival (before you know it)...remembah there is a bay area
>> festival calendar....anyone have the link to share with others?
>> K
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
>> Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you.
>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid?p_val_wl_290
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> mail2web - Check your email from the web at
> http://mail2web.com/ .
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

m@


_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

From letucepry at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 19 09:31:39 2009
From: letucepry at yahoo.com (Ron Lettuce)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 09:31:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
In-Reply-To: <299936.58896.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <1442077054-1245373873-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1071612512-@bxe1099.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<cf60725f0906181820u74bcc621q9609215b9cf1a263@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT109-W16DC8C6FEB277D06C24AACA23A0@phx.gbl>
	<299936.58896.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <154474.83349.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

OMG...I can't even read my OWN messages now...




________________________________
From: Ron Lettuce <letucepry at yahoo.com>
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 9:24:32 AM
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar

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From michaelz at zoka.com  Fri Jun 19 10:56:03 2009
From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 10:56:03 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Planning Calendar
In-Reply-To: <154474.83349.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <1442077054-1245373873-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-107161
	2512-@bxe1099.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<cf60725f0906181820u74bcc621q9609215b9cf1a263@mail.gmail.com>
	<SNT109-W16DC8C6FEB277D06C24AACA23A0@phx.gbl>
	<299936.58896.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<154474.83349.qm@web54302.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <p06240819c6617d90c465@[192.168.0.2]>

On 6/19/09, Ron Lettuce wrote:

>OMG...I can't even read my OWN 
>messages now...

This seems to happen if the message is posted with charset=utf-8.
Normally, this should not cause a problem (UTF-8 is one of the 
standard encodings for email), but it doesn't seem to play nicely 
with the mills.edu mail server (and/or the list's Mailman 
configuration).

It appears to be an issue with mail sent via yahoo.com (same as with 
Pamela's messages).

Perhaps mingalls or bthrew can take a look at this on the server. . .

MZ


--------------michaelz at zoka.com---
             Michael Zelner
---Oakland CA USA------------------

From johnlee at bayimproviser.com  Fri Jun 19 10:57:42 2009
From: johnlee at bayimproviser.com (John Lee)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:57:42 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
Message-ID: <1245434262.v2.mailanyonewebmail-215662@fuse106>

ma++, thanks for the suggestion.  I embedded the google calendar on the
bayimproviser.com event submission page.  You can check it out by going to
the Calendar page on bayimproviser.com, then clicking on Submit Event.  If
you scroll down you'll see the google calendar.  Also works for events
submitted via transbaycalendar.org

If anyone has any feedback, let me know.

Thanks

John

----- Original Message -----
From: "matt" <matt at sfsound.org>
Sent: Thu, June 18, 2009 17:16
Subject:Re: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest

we could ask john lee to
embed the calendar into the transbay/bayimproviser event submission
page and then put a message next to it
to email (me or suki or whoever) if you want your event to be included
in this.

<iframe
src="http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=v3d7nip9pgub68tcoj9kv66rgc%40group.calendar.google.com&amp;ctz=America/Los_Angeles

" style="border: 0" width="800" height="600" frameborder="0"
scrolling="no"></iframe>

-m

On Jun 18, 2009, at 5:02 PM, suki at zoka.com wrote:

> OM cares! Thanks I stand corrected.
>
> I also have access to the google calendar and make the effort to throw
> SFEMF, thingamajigs, outsound summit and sperryFest etc. out there
> as I
> learn of them. While we figure out how to increase access people are
> welcome to email me deets as well.
>
> sounds like a quick search function at transbaycalendar.org may be in
> order, although the text itself is very searchable.
>
> As to use of the calendar by other presenters - assuming bandwidth
> issues.
>
> -s
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Adam Fong adam at otherminds.org
> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:39:39 -0700
> To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
>
>
> Hey y'all,
>
> Pamela Z's Google Calendar is alive and well and I'm trying to help
> keep it up and running although as has been said, not EVERYONE is
> participating in the effort. Matt D, I see your name on the list as a
> manager of the calendar, too... right now it's not a public list so I
> can't share the link, but I don't know what the theory behind that
> is. Groups represented on the list include Earplay, Kronos, SF
> Contemporary Music Players, Dresher, sfSound, SF Performances, Mills,
> Meridian Gallery, etc... you get the idea. Email me if you want to
> access the calendar; I'll investigate why it's not public already.
>
> I'd be glad to hear suggestions of how we can communicate better
> about our planning dates.
>
> As for OM, we definitely care about potential conflicts. I can't
> speak for other groups but we always want to stay out of the way of
> other new/experimental music projects, no matter the size. That said,
> things like the OM Festival have other restrictions that sometimes
> pin us into specific dates or give us very few choices. I know this
> is often the case with other groups, too, especially when it comes to
> booking a venue of appropriate size.
>
> And if I can chime in about the Transbay Calendar: I definitely use
> it, but I get the feeling that our larger local music presenters
> aren't aware of it, or don't identify with its DIY style. I wonder if
> others on this list think it's a problem that SF Symphony and SF
> Performances don't post their new music events there? Do they exist
> in a separate world or is there really a need for a comprehensive
> listing?
>
> adam
>
>
> --
> Adam Fong
> Associate Director
> Other Minds
> 333 Valencia Street, Suite 303
> San Francisco, CA  94103
> (415) 934-8134
> (415) 934-8136 fax
> adam at otherminds.org
> http://www.otherminds.org
> http://www.radiom.org
>
>
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Kattt Atchley wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Suki says:
>>> I really doubt that Other Minds cares that there's a Corridor
>>> scheduled, or that San Francisco Contemporary Music Players is
>>> rolling the same weekend as Brutal Sound Effects.
>> * Actually...OM cares - here is my experience:
>> Last year POW Performance Art Festival was scheduled the same
>> weekend as Other Minds.
>> Neither myself or my co-conspirators were aware of the OM festival
>> dates...and our mission so was so different than OM that we didn't
>> even think to look. Though surprisingly our festival was picked up
>> by the press and received some very nice press (this was very
>> surprising! as press is always a gamble).
>> Very soon after the event...I was asked by Charles to be mindful of
>> the dates for planning next year...and he happened to mentioned a
>> festival event calendar (so you don't overlap on festivals)
>> So if you ever get the idea to plan what ends of turning into a
>> festival (before you know it)...remembah there is a bay area
>> festival calendar....anyone have the link to share with others?
>> K
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________
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From pamelaz at pamelaz.com  Fri Jun 19 12:09:46 2009
From: pamelaz at pamelaz.com (Pamela Z)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:09:46 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <1245434262.v2.mailanyonewebmail-215662@fuse106>
References: <1245434262.v2.mailanyonewebmail-215662@fuse106>
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By the way,  in case anyone didn't notice this, the "Agenda" tab  
allows you to see all events as a list instead of in month or week  
format.

-Pamela


On Jun 19, 2009, at 10:57 AM, John Lee wrote:

> ma++, thanks for the suggestion.  I embedded the google calendar on  
> the
> bayimproviser.com event submission page.  You can check it out by  
> going to
> the Calendar page on bayimproviser.com, then clicking on Submit  
> Event.  If
> you scroll down you'll see the google calendar.  Also works for events
> submitted via transbaycalendar.org
> If anyone has any feedback, let me know.
> N???h----- Original Message -----
> From: "matt" <matt at sfsound.org>
> Sent: Thu, June 18, 2009 17:16
> Subject:Re: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
> we could ask john lee to
> embed the calendar into the transbay/bayimproviser event submission
> page and then put a message next to it
> to email (me or suki or whoever) if you want your event to be included
> in this.
> <iframe
> src="http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=v3d7nip9pgub68tcoj9kv66rgc%40group.calendar.google.com&amp;ctz=America/Los_Angeles
> " style="border: 0" width="800" height="600" frameborder="0"
> scrolling="no"></iframe>
> -m
> On Jun 18, 2009, at 5:02 PM, suki at zoka.com wrote:
>> OM cares! Thanks I stand corrected.
>>
>> I also have access to the google calendar and make the effort to  
>> throw
>> SFEMF, thingamajigs, outsound summit and sperryFest etc. out there
>> as I
>> learn of them. While we figure out how to increase access people are
>> welcome to email me deets as well.
>>
>> sounds like a quick search function at transbaycalendar.org may be in
>> order, although the text itself is very searchable.
>>
>> As to use of the calendar by other presenters - assuming bandwidth
>> issues.
>>
>> -s
>>
>> Original Message:
>> -----------------
>> From: Adam Fong adam at otherminds.org
>> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:39:39 -0700
>> To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
>> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
>>
>>
>> Hey y'all,
>>
>> Pamela Z's Google Calendar is alive and well and I'm trying to help
>> keep it up and running although as has been said, not EVERYONE is
>> participating in the effort. Matt D, I see your name on the list as a
>> manager of the calendar, too... right now it's not a public list so I
>> can't share the link, but I don't know what the theory behind that
>> is. Groups represented on the list include Earplay, Kronos, SF
>> Contemporary Music Players, Dresher, sfSound, SF Performances, Mills,
>> Meridian Gallery, etc... you get the idea. Email me if you want to
>> access the calendar; I'll investigate why it's not public already.
>>
>> I'd be glad to hear suggestions of how we can communicate better
>> about our planning dates.
>>
>> As for OM, we definitely care about potential conflicts. I can't
>> speak for other groups but we always want to stay out of the way of
>> other new/experimental music projects, no matter the size. That said,
>> things like the OM Festival have other restrictions that sometimes
>> pin us into specific dates or give us very few choices. I know this
>> is often the case with other groups, too, especially when it comes to
>> booking a venue of appropriate size.
>>
>> And if I can chime in about the Transbay Calendar: I definitely use
>> it, but I get the feeling that our larger local music presenters
>> aren't aware of it, or don't identify with its DIY style. I wonder if
>> others on this list think it's a problem that SF Symphony and SF
>> Performances don't post their new music events there? Do they exist
>> in a separate world or is there really a need for a comprehensive
>> listing?
>>
>> adam
>>
>>
>> --
>> Adam Fong
>> Associate Director
>> Other Minds
>> 333 Valencia Street, Suite 303
>> San Francisco, CA  94103
>> (415) 934-8134
>> (415) 934-8136 fax
>> adam at otherminds.org
>> http://www.otherminds.org
>> http://www.radiom.org
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 17, 2009, at 8:29 PM, Kattt Atchley wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Suki says:
>>>> I really doubt that Other Minds cares that there's a Corridor
>>>> scheduled, or that San Francisco Contemporary Music Players is
>>>> rolling the same weekend as Brutal Sound Effects.
>>> * Actually...OM cares - here is my experience:
>>> Last year POW Performance Art Festival was scheduled the same
>>> weekend as Other Minds.
>>> Neither myself or my co-conspirators were aware of the OM festival
>>> dates...and our mission so was so different than OM that we didn't
>>> even think to look. Though surprisingly our festival was picked up
>>> by the press and received some very nice press (this was very
>>> surprising! as press is always a gamble).
>>> Very soon after the event...I was asked by Charles to be mindful of
>>> the dates for planning next year...and he happened to mentioned a
>>> festival event calendar (so you don't overlap on festivals)
>>> So if you ever get the idea to plan what ends of turning into a
>>> festival (before you know it)...remembah there is a bay area
>>> festival calendar....anyone have the link to share with others?
>>> K
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _________________________________________________________________
>>> Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that?s right for you.
>>> http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid??p_val_wl_290
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>>
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From jon_raskin at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 19 12:14:41 2009
From: jon_raskin at yahoo.com (Jon Raskin)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 19:14:41 +0000
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <2190CD84-25DF-4F7A-8618-E394A2DCA84F@pamelaz.com>
References: <1245434262.v2.mailanyonewebmail-215662@fuse106><2190CD84-25DF-4F7A-8618-E394A2DCA84F@pamelaz.com>
Message-ID: <428349067-1245438676-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-136778279-@bxe1099.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

Pamela

You have a formatting problem.

Jon
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Pamela Z <pamelaz at pamelaz.com>

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:09:46 
To: <johnlee at bayimproviser.com>; Bay Area New Music Discussion Group<newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest


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From pamelaz at pamelaz.com  Fri Jun 19 12:16:48 2009
From: pamelaz at pamelaz.com (Pamela Z)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:16:48 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
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Whoa!  Why would this be happening?

p


On Jun 19, 2009, at 12:14 PM, Jon Raskin wrote:

> Pamela
>
> You have a formatting problem.
>
> Jon
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pamela Z <pamelaz at pamelaz.com>
>
> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:09:46
> To: <johnlee at bayimproviser.com>; Bay Area New Music Discussion Group<newmusic at music.mills.edu 
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> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
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From damon at balancepointacoustics.com  Fri Jun 19 12:26:37 2009
From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:26:37 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <428349067-1245438676-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-136778279-@bxe1099.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1245434262.v2.mailanyonewebmail-215662@fuse106><2190CD84-25DF-4F7A-8618-E394A2DCA84F@pamelaz.com>
	<428349067-1245438676-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-136778279-@bxe1099.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <8C5C1987-5BE6-4414-B43D-009FF05479ED@balancepointacoustics.com>

This whole discussion implies that our primary competition is other  
shows. Most of time I would prefer a recording and any number of other  
activities. There are a small number of shows I want to see in a year  
and whatever else is going on rarely figures in.

The best strategy is to work on the music, put quality over friendship  
(when putting together a concert, as opposed to a dinner party ) and  
the rest will fall into place.

Damon Smith
http://www.balancepointacoustics.com

Sent from my iPod

On Jun 19, 2009, at 12:14 PM, "Jon Raskin" <jon_raskin at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Pamela
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From 21grand at 21grand.org  Fri Jun 19 12:33:17 2009
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:33:17 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <8C5C1987-5BE6-4414-B43D-009FF05479ED@balancepointacoustics.com>
Message-ID: <C661360D.2BE54%21grand@21grand.org>

Does this come out as gibberish, too?

sl

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From jon_raskin at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 19 13:21:20 2009
From: jon_raskin at yahoo.com (Jon Raskin)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 20:21:20 +0000
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <C661360D.2BE54%21grand@21grand.org>
References: <8C5C1987-5BE6-4414-B43D-009FF05479ED@balancepointacoustics.com><C661360D.2BE54%21grand@21grand.org>
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Yours didn't for me
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry

-----Original Message-----
From: Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org>

Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:33:17 
To: Banewmus List<newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest


Does this come out as gibberish, too?

sl

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From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Fri Jun 19 13:34:54 2009
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:34:54 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <A1329DF2-2EA0-4650-875F-6D61821A0786@sfsound.org>
References: <380-2200965190246655@M2W004.mail2web.com>
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Message-ID: <c70e517b0906191334q2b4a680od1791ec65a6cb0c5@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, good idea. That would be grand!

Matt Ingalls was all:
> we could ask john lee to
> embed the calendar into the transbay/bayimproviser event submission
> page and then put a message next to it
> to email (me or suki or whoever) if you want your event to be included
> in this.
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From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Fri Jun 19 13:47:58 2009
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 13:47:58 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <1245434262.v2.mailanyonewebmail-215662@fuse106>
References: <1245434262.v2.mailanyonewebmail-215662@fuse106>
Message-ID: <c70e517b0906191347q6f9bc330ne4cc717cc1070531@mail.gmail.com>

John Lee <johnlee at bayimproviser.com> went:
>
> ma++, thanks for the suggestion. ?I embedded the google calendar on the
> bayimproviser.com event submission page.


You rock, John Lee! Now all we need is for either a "submit to
calendar" functionality (which may or may not be possible with google
calendars), or for someone to volunteer to be the gatekeeper, so their
email can be turned to a 'mail to' link under the calendar.

Looking at tonight's shows, I like this line: "Leimgruber is the most
important Swiss improviser on the scene". We should think about using
this word more often - important. Don't abuse it though. Only use it
if the people performing in your show are truly important.

Matt

From gino at rastascan.com  Fri Jun 19 14:12:33 2009
From: gino at rastascan.com (Gino Robair)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:12:33 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Housing needed Sunday night for Swedish guests
Message-ID: <C6614D51.AFE%gino@rastascan.com>

Hey gang,
Johannes and Anna Bergmark, from Sweden, are coming into town a day early to
take part in the Chapel of the Chimes thing with me and whomever would like
to play with them.

However, they need a place to crash. If you haven't met them, they're really
wonderful people. 

So, if you have a place for them to sleep and want to meet two of the nicest
Swedish musicians, let me know off-list.
Thanks!

ginorobair


From gino at rastascan.com  Fri Jun 19 14:13:23 2009
From: gino at rastascan.com (Gino Robair)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:13:23 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Saw  needed for bowing
Message-ID: <C6614D83.AFF%gino@rastascan.com>

Ah, one more question:
Does anyone have a saw, suitable for bowing, that Johannes can borrow on
Sunday night. I'll be happy to return it to ya after the show.

Thanks,
g


From 21grand at 21grand.org  Fri Jun 19 14:00:45 2009
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:00:45 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <c70e517b0906191347q6f9bc330ne4cc717cc1070531@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C6614A8D.2BE60%21grand@21grand.org>

The thing is - whenever I see phrasing like "the most important" , "the
premier" ,  etc., I usually think "bullshit" unless they back it up or I
know for a fact that their claim is true.  However, most of the PR prose
about musicians, organizations etc. in realms where I know a lot of
background - the ones touting themselves as "the premier" and "the most
important" are actually, uh, not.

sl 

on 6/19/09 1:47 PM, Matt Davignon at mattdavignon at gmail.com wrote:

> John Lee <johnlee at bayimproviser.com> went:
>> 
>> ma++, thanks for the suggestion. ?I embedded the google calendar on the
>> bayimproviser.com event submission page.
> 
> 
> You rock, John Lee! Now all we need is for either a "submit to
> calendar" functionality (which may or may not be possible with google
> calendars), or for someone to volunteer to be the gatekeeper, so their
> email can be turned to a 'mail to' link under the calendar.
> 
> Looking at tonight's shows, I like this line: "Leimgruber is the most
> important Swiss improviser on the scene". We should think about using
> this word more often - important. Don't abuse it though. Only use it
> if the people performing in your show are truly important.
> 
> Matt
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic



From michaelz at zoka.com  Fri Jun 19 14:06:15 2009
From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:06:15 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <428349067-1245438676-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1367782
	79-@bxe1099.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <1245434262.v2.mailanyonewebmail-215662@fuse106><2190CD84-25DF-4F7A-86
	18-E394A2DCA84F@pamelaz.com>
	<428349067-1245438676-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1367782
	79-@bxe1099.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <p0624081dc661ad13e727@[192.168.0.2]>

On 6/19/09, Jon Raskin wrote:

>Pamela
>
>You have a formatting problem.

As I wrote earlier, I suspect it's a problem with the character set 
in her messages (and the way it's handled by the list server 
software).

Unless and until the list owner fixes this, you can read the 
ungarbled messages in the list archive (which does not have the 
encoding problem):

<http://music.mills.edu/pipermail/newmusic/>

FWIW, here's what John Lee posted this afternoon, for those who 
couldn't read it:

>ma++, thanks for the suggestion.  I embedded the google calendar on the
>bayimproviser.com event submission page.  You can check it out by going to
>the Calendar page on bayimproviser.com, then clicking on Submit Event.  If
>you scroll down you'll see the google calendar.  Also works for events
>submitted via transbaycalendar.org
>
>If anyone has any feedback, let me know.
>
>Thanks
>
>John



MZ

--------------michaelz at zoka.com---
             Michael Zelner
---Oakland CA USA------------------

From michaelz at zoka.com  Fri Jun 19 14:16:34 2009
From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:16:34 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <B38DE67D-82D3-488E-9690-5C178ADB5146@pamelaz.com>
References: <1245434262.v2.mailanyonewebmail-215662@fuse106><2190CD84-25DF-4F7A-86
	18-E394A2DCA84F@pamelaz.com>
	<428349067-1245438676-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1367782
	79-@bxe1099.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<B38DE67D-82D3-488E-9690-5C178ADB5146@pamelaz.com>
Message-ID: <p0624081ec661afb68547@[192.168.0.2]>

On 6/19/09, Pamela Z wrote:

>Whoa!  Why would this be happening?
>
>p
>
>
>On Jun 19, 2009, at 12:14 PM, Jon 
>Raskin wrote:
>
>> Pamela
>>
>> You have a formatting problem.

You might try posting to the list without your signature file 
included (it ends with some upside down characters which don't 
display properly for many email readers). But I think there still 
will be other encoding errors from your messages. . .

This will also happen for anyone else's list messages that quote a 
message with these errors.

MZ



--------------michaelz at zoka.com---
             Michael Zelner
---Oakland CA USA------------------

From 21grand at 21grand.org  Fri Jun 19 14:18:38 2009
From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:18:38 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] gobbledy-gook messages
In-Reply-To: <p0624081ec661afb68547@[192.168.0.2]>
Message-ID: <C6614EBE.2BE69%21grand@21grand.org>

Unless you change the character set/coding to something else before you send
it ...like my reply to damon's gobbledygook.

sl

on 6/19/09 2:16 PM, Michael Zelner at michaelz at zoka.com wrote:

> On 6/19/09, Pamela Z wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> You might try posting to the list without your signature file
> included (it ends with some upside down characters which don't
> display properly for many email readers). But I think there still
> will be other encoding errors from your messages. . .
> 
> This will also happen for anyone else's list messages that quote a
> message with these errors.
> 
> MZ
> 
> 
> 
> --------------michaelz at zoka.com---
>              Michael Zelner
> ---Oakland CA USA------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic



From katttsammon at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 19 14:24:05 2009
From: katttsammon at hotmail.com (Kattt Atchley)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:24:05 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] gobbledy-gook messages
In-Reply-To: <C6614EBE.2BE69%21grand@21grand.org>
References: <p0624081ec661afb68547@[192.168.0.2]>
	<C6614EBE.2BE69%21grand@21grand.org>
Message-ID: <SNT109-W388A668E9D9CD431E2160EA23A0@phx.gbl>


* I think it solely depends on your machine..because via my Iphone I was able to read those emails with no problem...however my laptop showed goobledygook for those emails.
The only message couldn't be read on either machine was PZ's first message and I have no idea why.
K



> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:18:38 -0700
> From: 21grand at 21grand.org
> To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] gobbledy-gook messages
> 
> Unless you change the character set/coding to something else before you send
> it ...like my reply to damon's gobbledygook.
> 
> sl
> 
> on 6/19/09 2:16 PM, Michael Zelner at michaelz at zoka.com wrote:
> 
>> On 6/19/09, Pamela Z wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> You might try posting to the list without your signature file
>> included (it ends with some upside down characters which don't
>> display properly for many email readers). But I think there still
>> will be other encoding errors from your messages. . .
>> 
>> This will also happen for anyone else's list messages that quote a
>> message with these errors.
>> 
>> MZ
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --------------michaelz at zoka.com---
>>              Michael Zelner
>> ---Oakland CA USA------------------
>> _______________________________________________
>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

_________________________________________________________________
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From michaelz at zoka.com  Fri Jun 19 14:37:56 2009
From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:37:56 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] gobbledy-gook messages
In-Reply-To: <C6614EBE.2BE69%21grand@21grand.org>
References: <C6614EBE.2BE69%21grand@21grand.org>
Message-ID: <p06240821c661b38c6b65@[192.168.0.2]>

On 6/19/09, Sarah - 21 Grand wrote:

>Unless you change the character set/coding to something else before you send
>it ...like my reply to damon's gobbledygook.

Right, but that can't be changed in Yahoo! Mail, etc.

(Besides, of course, that really shouldn't be required of list subscribers.)

Updating Mailman, the list software, might take care of this problem 
(it's four versions behind right now.)

MZ


>on 6/19/09 2:16 PM, Michael Zelner at michaelz at zoka.com wrote:
>>
>>  On 6/19/09, Pamela Z wrote:
>>
>  >Whoa!  Why would this be happening?
>>
>>p
>>
>  >
>  >On Jun 19, 2009, at 12:14 PM, Jon 
>Raskin wrote:
>>
>> Pamela
>>
>> You have a formatting problem.
>>
>> Jon
>  >
>You might try posting to the list without your signature file
>included (it ends with some upside down characters which don't
>display properly for many email readers). But I think there still
>will be other encoding errors from your messages. . .
>
>This will also happen for anyone else's list messages that quote a
>message with these errors.

--------------michaelz at zoka.com---
             Michael Zelner
---Oakland CA USA------------------

From jzitt at metatronpress.com  Fri Jun 19 15:07:15 2009
From: jzitt at metatronpress.com (Joseph Zitt)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:07:15 -0400
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <C6614A8D.2BE60%21grand@21grand.org>
References: <c70e517b0906191347q6f9bc330ne4cc717cc1070531@mail.gmail.com>
	<C6614A8D.2BE60%21grand@21grand.org>
Message-ID: <cf60725f0906191507r22c6f98r401ec2376edf2f94@mail.gmail.com>

If memory serves, Orrin Keepnews kept a large sign in his office saying
"Important to WHOM?"

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org>wrote:

> The thing is - whenever I see phrasing like "the most important" , "the
> premier" ,  etc., I usually think "bullshit" unless they back it up or I
> know for a fact that their claim is true.  However, most of the PR prose
> about musicians, organizations etc. in realms where I know a lot of
> background - the ones touting themselves as "the premier" and "the most
> important" are actually, uh, not.
>
> sl
>
> on 6/19/09 1:47 PM, Matt Davignon at mattdavignon at gmail.com wrote:
>
> > John Lee <johnlee at bayimproviser.com> went:
> >>
> >> ma++, thanks for the suggestion.  I embedded the google calendar on the
> >> bayimproviser.com event submission page.
> >
> >
> > You rock, John Lee! Now all we need is for either a "submit to
> > calendar" functionality (which may or may not be possible with google
> > calendars), or for someone to volunteer to be the gatekeeper, so their
> > email can be turned to a 'mail to' link under the calendar.
> >
> > Looking at tonight's shows, I like this line: "Leimgruber is the most
> > important Swiss improviser on the scene". We should think about using
> > this word more often - important. Don't abuse it though. Only use it
> > if the people performing in your show are truly important.
> >
> > Matt
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>



-- 
Joseph Zitt :: The Path of the Bookseller :: blog.josephzitt.com

From r8string at gmail.com  Fri Jun 19 15:11:07 2009
From: r8string at gmail.com (Ron Thompson)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:11:07 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
In-Reply-To: <cf60725f0906191507r22c6f98r401ec2376edf2f94@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c70e517b0906191347q6f9bc330ne4cc717cc1070531@mail.gmail.com>
	<C6614A8D.2BE60%21grand@21grand.org>
	<cf60725f0906191507r22c6f98r401ec2376edf2f94@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <92232ec80906191511h440c7bcfx394504f637711472@mail.gmail.com>

Just saw that Ali Akbar Khan died......87.  RIP....saw it at Washington
Post.com

On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Joseph Zitt <jzitt at metatronpress.com>wrote:

> If memory serves, Orrin Keepnews kept a large sign in his office saying
> "Important to WHOM?"
>
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 5:00 PM, Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org
> >wrote:
>
> > The thing is - whenever I see phrasing like "the most important" , "the
> > premier" ,  etc., I usually think "bullshit" unless they back it up or I
> > know for a fact that their claim is true.  However, most of the PR prose
> > about musicians, organizations etc. in realms where I know a lot of
> > background - the ones touting themselves as "the premier" and "the most
> > important" are actually, uh, not.
> >
> > sl
> >
> > on 6/19/09 1:47 PM, Matt Davignon at mattdavignon at gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > John Lee <johnlee at bayimproviser.com> went:
> > >>
> > >> ma++, thanks for the suggestion.  I embedded the google calendar on
> the
> > >> bayimproviser.com event submission page.
> > >
> > >
> > > You rock, John Lee! Now all we need is for either a "submit to
> > > calendar" functionality (which may or may not be possible with google
> > > calendars), or for someone to volunteer to be the gatekeeper, so their
> > > email can be turned to a 'mail to' link under the calendar.
> > >
> > > Looking at tonight's shows, I like this line: "Leimgruber is the most
> > > important Swiss improviser on the scene". We should think about using
> > > this word more often - important. Don't abuse it though. Only use it
> > > if the people performing in your show are truly important.
> > >
> > > Matt
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> > NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Joseph Zitt :: The Path of the Bookseller :: blog.josephzitt.com
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
>

From gino at rastascan.com  Fri Jun 19 15:39:10 2009
From: gino at rastascan.com (Gino Robair)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:39:10 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Please change the subject line...
Message-ID: <C661619E.B0E%gino@rastascan.com>

...when you introduce a new topic and it's going to draw responses, such as
Ali Akbar Khan's passing, the importance of McDonald's hamburgers to
hardcore drumming, or whether PR hubris is BS or not.

That way, those of us who really want to know more about a subject, for
example the festCalendar, don't have to sift through all the other messages.

Thanks! 


From jon_raskin at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 19 16:26:18 2009
From: jon_raskin at yahoo.com (Jon Raskin)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:26:18 +0000
Subject: [NewMusic] Saw  needed for bowing
Message-ID: <578861507-1245453910-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1030308472-@bxe1099.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>

I have two that he could use.
------Original Message------
From: Gino Robair
Sender: newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu
To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
ReplyTo: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
Subject: [NewMusic] Saw  needed for bowing
Sent: Jun 19, 2009 2:13 PM

Ah, one more question:
Does anyone have a saw, suitable for bowing, that Johannes can borrow on
Sunday night. I'll be happy to return it to ya after the show.

Thanks,
g

_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry


From johnlee at bayimproviser.com  Fri Jun 19 16:54:22 2009
From: johnlee at bayimproviser.com (John Lee)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:54:22 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Gino was the first
Message-ID: <1245455662.v2.mailanyonewebmail-215662@fuse106>

Gino was the first musician to get a login at bayimproviser.com.  His
username was created on 12/6/1998.  But he never logged in!  Maybe I
forgot to tell him his password...

Then came Dan Plonsey and Jeff Chan who also never logged in.  Finally I
got a nibble from Aaron Bennett who was curating the Luggage Store series
at the time.  He logged in and posted some shows.

Now I'm happy to report that just about all shows are entered by the folks
who run the venues or the musicians themselves, so I don't have to do much
work anymore other than when I get enhancement requests from ma++

From weaselw at juno.com  Fri Jun 19 17:02:28 2009
From: weaselw at juno.com (weasel walter)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 17:02:28 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Suppose Fest
Message-ID: <20090619.170435.21148.28.weaselw@juno.com>

the most delicious sausage plays with the Bay area's 23rd best rhythm
section!

ww

> Looking at tonight's shows, I like this line: "Leimgruber is the 
> most important Swiss improviser on the scene". We should think about 
> using this word more often - important. Don't abuse it though. Only use

> it if the people performing in your show are truly important.
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From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Fri Jun 19 18:05:59 2009
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:05:59 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Gino was the first
In-Reply-To: <1245455662.v2.mailanyonewebmail-215662@fuse106>
References: <1245455662.v2.mailanyonewebmail-215662@fuse106>
Message-ID: <c70e517b0906191805r71180e83k2f77d5005c57991b@mail.gmail.com>

Bayimproviser rocks! I'm always pointing newcomers to the site.

Since you mentioned "upgrades", there are a couple things (both upgrades and
user behaviors) that I think would enhance the site:


VENUES: I wish there was some sort of process for clearing out that are no
longer active (such as Venue 9 and Recombinant Media Labs). Not sure how
this could be done - maybe remove a venue if there hasn't been a show there
for 2 years?

ARTISTS: I often look to this page when I'm looking for someone to fill a
needed role for a show. I'd love to see more artists represented here -
there's a lack of the sort who've established themselves here within the
past 5 years or so. Also, please keep the "description" field brief and make
sure it lists your instrument(s). I wish there was something we could do
about profiles for artists who moved out of the bay area years ago, but am
not sure what I'd do about them. I also mentally ostracize you if you have a
band named after yourself, but the band profile and your personal profile
are separate.

NEWS: Uh... it's under-used? I love that this page exists, but am not sure
how to post to it.

VIEWS: Maybe add a date column? Should there be submission guidelines?

CDs: Also add a "release date" column (even if just the year is known).
Should there be submission guidelines?

FAVORITE DISCS: Again, I'd like to see more posts here. People who favorite
their own discs should be punished.

Matt Davignon
www.ribosomemusic.com

From michaelz at zoka.com  Fri Jun 19 18:43:26 2009
From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 18:43:26 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] List etiquette (was Re: Please change the subject
 line...)
In-Reply-To: <C661619E.B0E%gino@rastascan.com>
References: <C661619E.B0E%gino@rastascan.com>
Message-ID: <p06240826c661ed8f03c1@[192.168.0.2]>

On 6/19/09, Gino Robair wrote:

>...when you introduce a new topic and it's going to draw responses, such as
>Ali Akbar Khan's passing, the importance of McDonald's hamburgers to
>hardcore drumming, or whether PR hubris is BS or not.
>
>That way, those of us who really want to know more about a subject, for
>example the festCalendar, don't have to sift through all the other messages.


Hmph, you'll have just as much luck asking people to trim the quotes 
in their replies (pity the poor list digesters who have to scroll 
through long repeats of earlier messages).

<http://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/mailing-list-faq/etiquette.html#ETIQUETTE-REPLYING>

MZ


--------------michaelz at zoka.com---
             Michael Zelner
---Oakland CA USA------------------

From td at pixar.com  Fri Jun 19 22:29:35 2009
From: td at pixar.com (Tom Duff)
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 22:29:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Skronkathon Sausage Update
In-Reply-To: <mailman.0.1245470401.28167.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
References: <mailman.0.1245470401.28167.newmusic@music.mills.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0906192223410.9488@marvin.dynamic.pixar.com>


Last night I stayed up late going through the Skronkathon proposals &
making up a schedule, which I will send out to all participants tomorrow.

The hard part was that I received 30 proposals and we only have room
for about 20 on the program.  So for the first time ever we have to
turn some performers away.  I hate that.

The good part is that Susan, who is away in New Mexico this week, sent
me this message:

> From: Susan Dickey <sueruthmarie at gmail.com>
> To: td at pixar.com
> Subject: free sausages
> 
> Stock up for the Skronkathon!
> 
> http://www.andronicos.com/mailingList/weekender/2009-06-18/AndronicosFreeSausagesCoupon.pdf

-- 
Tom Duff.  I could have thought of that.

From johnlee at bayimproviser.com  Sat Jun 20 16:32:53 2009
From: johnlee at bayimproviser.com (John Lee)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:32:53 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] bayimproviser cleanup
Message-ID: <1245540773.v2.mailanyonewebmail-215662@fuse106>

Matt D./ba-newmus

- I removed a bunch of artists (about 30) that I believe are inactive. 
There are some I needed to leave on the site since they are being shown in
some other sites I'm hosting.  Eventually I'll get them separated out.  I
didn't actually delete anyone, just marked them as "inactive" so they
could be reactivated later if needed.  Also left some in that I feel have
historical significance to the scene like Splatter Trio even though they
aren't currently active

- I removed Venue 9 and Recombinant

- for News, I encourage people to send me input for this.  It's underused
as Matt noted.  I'm not totally sure what constitutes "news".  I've sort
of randomly listed out of town musicians who show up and play a bunch of
shows, but certain other things might qualify.  So if you have something
you think is News then send it to me and there's an excellent chance I'll
post it, or if not then explain why I think it doesn't belong there.  I
also get rid of the really old ones.

- for Views, I added the date the article was posted.  Anyone can send me
things they want to post here and I'll probably post it as long as it has
relevance to the musicians, venues, etc listed on the site.

- for CDs, in general I don't know the dates they were released, even
though there's a database column for it.  Since 95% of them are null at
this time, it's probably not useful to list the column.  I haven't
actively maintained this area of the site.  My original hope when I setup
the site is that I'd get the labels (many of which are based here and run
by the musicians) to maintain their CDs.  But then as time went on, many
people where releasing their own stuff on an ad-hoc basis as opposed to
having formal labels like Rastascan with a large catalog.  Maybe what I'll
do is create a "Submit CD" page like I have "Submit Event" and let people
enter their stuff, and I'll approve it.  The approval is needed to avoid
spam, and also duplicate listings.

- favorite disks:  I'd like to see more postings here also.

There are a number of upgrades to the site that would be nice to have, but
unfortunately my time is limited.  At least it's very solid for listing
the musicians and events so that part of it is in good shape.

Thanks to Matt D. for your enthusiasm and taking the time to make your
recommendations.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Davignon" <mattdavignon at gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, June 19, 2009 18:05
Subject:Re: [NewMusic] Gino was the first

Bayimproviser rocks! I'm always pointing newcomers to the site.

Since you mentioned "upgrades", there are a couple things (both upgrades and
user behaviors) that I think would enhance the site:


VENUES: I wish there was some sort of process for clearing out that are no
longer active (such as Venue 9 and Recombinant Media Labs). Not sure how
this could be done - maybe remove a venue if there hasn't been a show there
for 2 years?

ARTISTS: I often look to this page when I'm looking for someone to fill a
needed role for a show. I'd love to see more artists represented here -
there's a lack of the sort who've established themselves here within the
past 5 years or so. Also, please keep the "description" field brief and make
sure it lists your instrument(s). I wish there was something we could do
about profiles for artists who moved out of the bay area years ago, but am
not sure what I'd do about them. I also mentally ostracize you if you have a
band named after yourself, but the band profile and your personal profile
are separate.

NEWS: Uh... it's under-used? I love that this page exists, but am not sure
how to post to it.

VIEWS: Maybe add a date column? Should there be submission guidelines?

CDs: Also add a "release date" column (even if just the year is known).
Should there be submission guidelines?

FAVORITE DISCS: Again, I'd like to see more posts here. People who favorite
their own discs should be punished.

Matt Davignon
www.ribosomemusic.com
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NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic


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From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Sat Jun 20 16:54:04 2009
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 16:54:04 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] bayimproviser cleanup
In-Reply-To: <1245540773.v2.mailanyonewebmail-215662@fuse106>
References: <1245540773.v2.mailanyonewebmail-215662@fuse106>
Message-ID: <c70e517b0906201654s59f9cffw833b2d7ed2de72ec@mail.gmail.com>

Wow - this is really cool! I didn't think you'd have the time to make these
changes!

To answer the "news" question, this is the sort of stuff I'd expect to see:
-a new venue, series, or radio show that's friendly to "new music".
-likewise, news of a venue, series or radio show that is going away
-an article or resource that would be of interest to our community. (I'll
have to send you something about "Rigs!" soon.)
-an artist will be in town for multiple shows.

Matt Davignon
www.ribosomemusic.com

On Sat, Jun 20, 2009 at 4:32 PM, John Lee <johnlee at bayimproviser.com> wrote:

> Matt D./ba-newmus
>
> - I removed a bunch of artists (about 30) that I believe are inactive.
> There are some I needed to leave on the site since they are being shown in
> some other sites I'm hosting.  Eventually I'll get them separated out.  I
> didn't actually delete anyone, just marked them as "inactive" so they
> could be reactivated later if needed.  Also left some in that I feel have
> historical significance to the scene like Splatter Trio even though they
> aren't currently active
>
> - I removed Venue 9 and Recombinant
>
> - for News, I encourage people to send me input for this.  It's underused
> as Matt noted.  I'm not totally sure what constitutes "news".  I've sort
> of randomly listed out of town musicians who show up and play a bunch of
> shows, but certain other things might qualify.  So if you have something
> you think is News then send it to me and there's an excellent chance I'll
> post it, or if not then explain why I think it doesn't belong there.  I
> also get rid of the really old ones.
>
> - for Views, I added the date the article was posted.  Anyone can send me
> things they want to post here and I'll probably post it as long as it has
> relevance to the musicians, venues, etc listed on the site.
>
> - for CDs, in general I don't know the dates they were released, even
> though there's a database column for it.  Since 95% of them are null at
> this time, it's probably not useful to list the column.  I haven't
> actively maintained this area of the site.  My original hope when I setup
> the site is that I'd get the labels (many of which are based here and run
> by the musicians) to maintain their CDs.  But then as time went on, many
> people where releasing their own stuff on an ad-hoc basis as opposed to
> having formal labels like Rastascan with a large catalog.  Maybe what I'll
> do is create a "Submit CD" page like I have "Submit Event" and let people
> enter their stuff, and I'll approve it.  The approval is needed to avoid
> spam, and also duplicate listings.
>
> - favorite disks:  I'd like to see more postings here also.
>
> There are a number of upgrades to the site that would be nice to have, but
> unfortunately my time is limited.  At least it's very solid for listing
> the musicians and events so that part of it is in good shape.
>
> Thanks to Matt D. for your enthusiasm and taking the time to make your
> recommendations.

From electric.tokyo at gmail.com  Sat Jun 20 17:51:11 2009
From: electric.tokyo at gmail.com (Travis Johns)
Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:51:11 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] ::tourism/tomatoes/tourism::
Message-ID: <d3165c060906201751x7bbd0754q50b8dc7f30d79574@mail.gmail.com>

Dearest Music Folks,

Risking the usual barrage of meat-tossing, I'm currently packing to
hit the highway for a few weeks, doing a cross-country solo jaunt from
NY back to Cali from the 26th of June until the 13th of July - fun,
right?

However, along the lines of battening down the hatches, etc. on the
domestic front, I currently have about 20 or so organic heirloom
tomato plants (martian giants and marvel stripes to be specific) in
peat pots that I'm probably not going to get around to transplanting
before I split - which, for them, would probably equal instant death
as they asphyxiate on their own roots owing to 2 weeks of reduced
watering and neglect. Not wanting my green thumb to go sour in the
name of experimental music, not to mention theoretically destroying
the potential for the hundreds of pounds of food that these plants
would potentially yield, I'm wondering - uhm, anyone want a tomato
plant? A couple? An oodle or two? Drop me a holler and let me know.

Also, along the lines of the transient goodwill and hospitality of our
scene, if anyone want's to toss me a couple discs to disseminate to
curious ears while I'm on the highway, feel free to drop another
respective holler to arrange some sort of exchange.

Cool - just thought I'd mention it. As mentioned in previous two
paragraphs, talk to me if you wanna concerning said subject matter.

Over and out,

t.

From jon_raskin at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 21 15:29:36 2009
From: jon_raskin at yahoo.com (Jon Raskin)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 15:29:36 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Japanese 100v rigs
In-Reply-To: <7313557D-01EC-4694-9947-F9C2E32945F5@pixar.com>
References: <7313557D-01EC-4694-9947-F9C2E32945F5@pixar.com>
Message-ID: <00aa01c9f2bf$c264efc0$472ecf40$@com>

Maywa Denki is a very interesting organization.  It is an art, business,
education company and performance group.  I saw a retrospective of their
work in Tokyo a few years back and it was corny, creative, cutting edge,
cute, thought provoking and was both art and a commercial enterprise.  The
performance are a mixture of automated music instruments and performers in
different body suits that have sound making capabilities.

Check their site out.  Www.maywadenki.com
 

-----Original Message-----
From: newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu
[mailto:newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu] On Behalf Of David Slusser
Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 9:28 AM
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
Subject: [NewMusic] Japanese 100v rigs

If you like Matt Davignon's rig videos, you may enjoy this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9X54RvzZKkI&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww% 
2Efacebook%2Ecom%2Fhome%2Ephp%3Fref%3Dhome&feature=player_embedded
_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

From jon_raskin at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 21 15:36:46 2009
From: jon_raskin at yahoo.com (Jon Raskin)
Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2009 15:36:46 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Yes, Streifenjunko
In-Reply-To: <2032039504-1243582824-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-588995550-@bxe1287.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
References: <886965.12603.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<2032039504-1243582824-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-588995550-@bxe1287.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
Message-ID: <00ab01c9f2c0$c24404d0$46cc0e70$@com>

I read this book on your description and had a similar take as you on
descriptions.  It is pretty redundant since everyone that is interview is
describing the same 10 year period and it is interesting that there isn't
that much variation on how they are described.
It certainly filled some of the history for me.  Finding out that Barney
Childs was having his work performed in the series was something I didn't
know about.  Pauline's early work was also new to me and finding out how she
learned to work with electronics was fascinating.  The connection of Steve
Reich to the SF Mime Troupe was also new to me and it would be interesting
to hear the music of those productions.  I would put it on my recommended
reading list.

" reading david's 'san francisco tape music center' book was astonishing
because the descriptions of those 60's happenings seemed so familiar to
this region.  for every time I thought wow,  wish I could have been there
for that Oliveros / Tudor improv or city-wide arts installation or 12 hour
long tape music fest or whatever, I thought of five shows I've been to in
the last 15 years that were in the same spirit or breaking further ground
"
 
>
>
> Save on Cell Phones. Click Now!
>
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>_______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
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_______________________________________________
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From praemedia at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 23 16:55:09 2009
From: praemedia at yahoo.com (Praemedia)
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:55:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] My Podcast
Message-ID: <417310.61501.qm@web51607.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


sort of like Wobbly DJing (but with much less taste or sense):

http://praemedia.podomatic.com/

enjoy!

lance

ps - due to the size limits of a free account, only three episodes will be up at a time and old ones will be deleted.


      

From pamelaz at pamelaz.com  Wed Jun 24 10:24:26 2009
From: pamelaz at pamelaz.com (Pamela Z)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:24:26 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Test
In-Reply-To: <00ab01c9f2c0$c24404d0$46cc0e70$@com>
References: <886965.12603.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<2032039504-1243582824-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-588995550-@bxe1287.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<00ab01c9f2c0$c24404d0$46cc0e70$@com>
Message-ID: <D5F1489B-5CDA-4354-92FF-001EF2AF185C@pamelaz.com>


Test

From pamelaz at pamelaz.com  Wed Jun 24 10:39:11 2009
From: pamelaz at pamelaz.com (Pamela Z)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:39:11 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Are my messages readable?
In-Reply-To: <D5F1489B-5CDA-4354-92FF-001EF2AF185C@pamelaz.com>
References: <886965.12603.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<2032039504-1243582824-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-588995550-@bxe1287.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<00ab01c9f2c0$c24404d0$46cc0e70$@com>
	<D5F1489B-5CDA-4354-92FF-001EF2AF185C@pamelaz.com>
Message-ID: <DE2ED0D4-D532-4D9D-A156-3443F8F08D5F@pamelaz.com>

Hello BA NewMus subscribers.  I'm just wondering if my emails are  
still showing up as garbled.  Can anyone read this?  And if so, I'm  
wondering what I can do to remedy that.  Of course if they are still  
garbled, no one will know what I'm asking or that they should reply.   
Hmmm....


Pamela

From matt at sfsound.org  Wed Jun 24 10:41:24 2009
From: matt at sfsound.org (matt)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:41:24 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Are my messages readable?
In-Reply-To: <DE2ED0D4-D532-4D9D-A156-3443F8F08D5F@pamelaz.com>
References: <886965.12603.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<2032039504-1243582824-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-588995550-@bxe1287.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<00ab01c9f2c0$c24404d0$46cc0e70$@com>
	<D5F1489B-5CDA-4354-92FF-001EF2AF185C@pamelaz.com>
	<DE2ED0D4-D532-4D9D-A156-3443F8F08D5F@pamelaz.com>
Message-ID: <A4BAA17C-8AC1-481D-A753-B47F1A3DC8BD@sfsound.org>

they are to me

On Jun 24, 2009, at 10:39 AM, Pamela Z wrote:

> Hello BA NewMus subscribers.  I'm just wondering if my emails are
> still showing up as garbled.  Can anyone read this?  And if so, I'm
> wondering what I can do to remedy that.  Of course if they are still
> garbled, no one will know what I'm asking or that they should reply.
> Hmmm....
>
>
> Pamela
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic



m@



From jon_raskin at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 24 10:53:13 2009
From: jon_raskin at yahoo.com (Jon Raskin)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 10:53:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Are my messages readable?
In-Reply-To: <A4BAA17C-8AC1-481D-A753-B47F1A3DC8BD@sfsound.org>
References: <886965.12603.qm@web82803.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<2032039504-1243582824-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-588995550-@bxe1287.bisx.prod.on.blackberry>
	<00ab01c9f2c0$c24404d0$46cc0e70$@com>
	<D5F1489B-5CDA-4354-92FF-001EF2AF185C@pamelaz.com>
	<DE2ED0D4-D532-4D9D-A156-3443F8F08D5F@pamelaz.com>
	<A4BAA17C-8AC1-481D-A753-B47F1A3DC8BD@sfsound.org>
Message-ID: <209323.76028.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com>

they are readable to me
?Jon Raskin 




________________________________
From: matt <matt at sfsound.org>
To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 10:41:24 AM
Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Are my messages readable?

they are to me

On Jun 24, 2009, at 10:39 AM, Pamela Z wrote:

> Hello BA NewMus subscribers.? I'm just wondering if my emails are
> still showing up as garbled.? Can anyone read this?? And if so, I'm
> wondering what I can do to remedy that.? Of course if they are still
> garbled, no one will know what I'm asking or that they should reply.
> Hmmm....
>
>
> Pamela
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic



m@


_______________________________________________
Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
NewMusic at music.mills.edu
http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic

From tim at perkis.com  Wed Jun 24 11:51:39 2009
From: tim at perkis.com (Tim Perkis)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 11:51:39 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] My Podcast
In-Reply-To: <417310.61501.qm@web51607.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
References: <417310.61501.qm@web51607.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A4275BB.9060309@perkis.com>

thanks lance -- looking forward to listening to this

T

Praemedia wrote:
> sort of like Wobbly DJing (but with much less taste or sense):
>
> http://praemedia.podomatic.com/
>
> enjoy!
>
> lance
>
> ps - due to the size limits of a free account, only three episodes will be up at a time and old ones will be deleted.
>
>
>       
> _______________________________________________
> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group
> NewMusic at music.mills.edu
> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
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From pamelaz at pamelaz.com  Wed Jun 24 12:52:22 2009
From: pamelaz at pamelaz.com (Pamela Z)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 12:52:22 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Google Calendar perk
In-Reply-To: <4A4275BB.9060309@perkis.com>
References: <417310.61501.qm@web51607.mail.re2.yahoo.com>
	<4A4275BB.9060309@perkis.com>
Message-ID: <72928A43-B068-40AD-BE55-5DDF63859EBE@pamelaz.com>

One more remark about the Planning Calendar.  There's a feature that  
I've been using for the past year or so that I really like.
There's a preference that users can set that allows you to get a  
Google Alert specifically from the calendar.  I receive an email  
listing the day's agenda every day where there is at least one event  
on the calendar.  Even though my email box is already rife with  
unwanted messages and spam, I actually really like getting this one  
piece of mail because it acts as a quick reminder to me that there's  
something going on in the New Music community that night.

I am one of the subscribers to this list who has always been an  
enthusiast for the entire spectrum of Bay Area New Music from small  
venue improv nights to larger more "establishment" chamber and  
symphonic contemporary music events and everything in between (or  
everything out and tangental) so I really appreciate having a way to  
keep on top of all of those sometimes disparate things.

Because of these reminders, I've actually caught some things that I  
might have forgotten to see.  And, happily, now that more people are  
posting to it, I'm seeing more types of events in the reminder  
emails....


On a side note, I have no emails from this list (Bay Area New Music  
Discussion Group) for the 22nd or the 23rd which strikes me as odd.  I  
also noticed a reply to something for which I never saw the original  
post.  I wonder if anyone else is experiencing this...

Cheers,

Pamela

From praemedia at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 24 16:00:51 2009
From: praemedia at yahoo.com (Praemedia)
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2009 16:00:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Blips and Ifs
Message-ID: <801790.84848.qm@web51601.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


just finished listening to this! love it. healed me right up. more, please!

lance

ps - speaking of which;
1. Does anyone have a recording of the Perkis/Robair/Uhler trio from edgetone summit....
2. and if this isn't going to be used later for an official release of any sort...
3. can I have a copy?

pps - i don't even have a copy of the shudder/dijkstra set from that night either. what the hell? (and despite repeated requests) help!!!


      

From polly.moller at gmail.com  Thu Jun 25 17:25:24 2009
From: polly.moller at gmail.com (Polly Moller)
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:25:24 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Conductor funnies
Message-ID: <2eb068d40906251725u121b097apf7463a5bf74b5b21@mail.gmail.com>

I probably sent this to the list years ago when somebody first forwarded it
to me.
Or I may have gotten it from this list originally.
But it's still funny, especially when I think of our scenester conductors,
so...
Njoy.
P.

These are remarks made by Eugene Ormandy, while he was the maestro of the
Philadelphia Orchestra. His musicians enjoyed his use of the English
language so much that they began writing down his comments.

"Congratulations to each and every one of you for the concert last night in
New York, and vice versa."

"Who is sitting in that empty chair?"

"I'm conducting slowly because I don't know the tempo."

"I conduct faster so you can see my beat."

"I cannot give it to you, so watch me."

"I was trying to help you, so I was beating wrong."

"I can conduct better than I count."

"I guess you thought I was conducting, but I wasn't."

"I purposely didn't do anything, and you were all behind."

"Why do you always insist on playing while I'm trying to conduct?"

"Even when you are not playing, you are holding me back."

"Don't ever follow me, because I am difficult."

"It is not as difficult as I thought it was, but it is harder than it is."

"The notes are right, but if I listened, they would be wrong. "

"I wrote it the right way, so it was copied the wrong way right. I
mean the right way wrong."

"At every concert I've sensed a certain insecurity about the tempo. It's
clearly marked 80... uh, 69."

"It is not together, but the ensemble is perfect."

"Watch me closely. Only one can spoil it."

"Somebody came too sooner."

"Start beforty-two."

"Start three bars before something."

"Start at B. No. Yes. No. Yes. No."

"Did you play? It sounded very good."

"Intonation is important, especially when it is cold."

"Beauty is less important than quality."

"If you don't have it in your part, leave it out, because there is enough
missing already."

"Percussion a little louder." ("We don't have anything.") "That's right,
play it louder."

"More basses, because you are so far away."

"I need one more bass less."

"There are no woodwinds at number six." (The woodwinds say they are at
number 15.) "I know. That is why."

(To the tubist) "Long note? Yes. Make it seem short."

"Brass, stay down all summer."

"Don't play louder, just give more."

"Accelerando means in tempo. Don't rush."

"I don't want to repeat this a hundred times. When you see crescendo, it
means p."

"The tempo remains pp."

"It's difficult to remember when you haven't played it before."

"We can't hear the balance yet, because the soloist is still on the
airplane."

"Please follow me, because I have to follow him, and he isn't here."

"Without him here, it is impossible to know how fast he will play it,
approximately."

"With us tonight is William Warfield, who is with us tonight."

"He is a wonderful man, and so is his wife."

"Bizet was a very young man when he composed this symphony, so play it
soft."

"Mahler wrote it as the third movement of his Fourth Symphony. I mean the
fourth movement of his First Symphony. We play it third. The trumpet solo
will be played by our solo trumpet player. It's named
'Blumine,' which has something to do with flowers."

"That's the way Stravinsky was?-bup, bup, bup. The poor guy's dead now. Play
it legato."

"Serkin was so sick he almost died for three days."

(On David Oistrach's death): "I told him he'd have a heart attack a year
ago, but unfortunately he lived a year longer."

(On Willy Knappel's death): "Death is a terrible thing. I don't believe in
it, myself."

"This is a very democratic organization, so let's take a vote. All those who
disagree with me raise their hands."

"It's all very well to have principles, but when it comes to money, you have
to be flexible."

"Thank you for your cooperation, and vice versa."

"I mean what I meant."

"I never say what I mean, but I always manage to say something similar."

"Let me explain what I do here. I don't want to confuse you any more than
absolutely necessary."

"I don't mean to make you nervous, but unfortunately I have to."

"Relax. Don't be nervous. My God, it's the Philadelphia Orchestra!"

-- 
-------------------------------------
Outsound New Music Summit 2009
Schedule:
http://www.outsound.org/summit/09/schedule_details09.html
Tickets:
http://www.brownpapertickets.com/event/61377
-------------------------------------

From bergmark1 at glocalnet.net  Fri Jun 26 01:10:34 2009
From: bergmark1 at glocalnet.net (Johannes Bergmark)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 01:10:34 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Exotic Boulders and others in Oakland Saturday
Message-ID: <55223F3B-929E-427E-BC23-9B08EEE8A004@glocalnet.net>

A concert with Unusual Electronic Gadgets, Strange Amplified Objects,  
Oneerie, Wonderful, Incredible Music:

Saturday June 27th, 8pm
all ages $5 donation

COMPOSERS DECOMPOSED series
Heco's Palace
705 Peralta St.
Oakland, CA


(Above: Johannes Bergmark, Damian Bisciglia, Mitchell Brown, Joseph  
Hammer)
?2006 Wild Don Lewis wilddonnn at yahoo.com

from
EXOTIC BOULDERS:
Johannes Bergmark (Stockholm) & Mitchell Brown (Los Angeles)
http://www.bergmark.org/exoticboulders.html
	+
nano
(Stockholm, sweden)
http://bergmark.org/najoteam/music.html
+
Loachfillet
(Oakland)
http://wormperil.blogspot.com/


Nano instruments


Johannes Bergmark instruments

Also featured are:
? Gregg Kowalsky
	http://www.greggkowalsky.net
? Ben Bracken
	http://www.myspace.com/3305685

http://bergmark.org

From gino at rastascan.com  Fri Jun 26 15:32:48 2009
From: gino at rastascan.com (Gino Robair)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:32:48 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Jazz Trance
In-Reply-To: <C661D6D4.94D8%martycutler@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C66A9AA0.D81%gino@rastascan.com>

Did you know the Human League invented music?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKwQ_zeRwEs




From djll at sonic.net  Fri Jun 26 23:24:05 2009
From: djll at sonic.net (Tom Dill)
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 23:24:05 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] Humid League
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"An' everythin' before that?"

"That was just tunin' up."


On Jun 26, 2009, at 9:00 PM, newmusic-request at music.mills.edu wrote:

> Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:32:48 -0700
> From: Gino Robair <gino at rastascan.com>
> Subject: [NewMusic] Jazz Trance
> To: <newmusic at music.mills.edu>
>
> Did you know the Human League invented music?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKwQ_zeRwEs



From letucepry at yahoo.com  Sat Jun 27 01:13:54 2009
From: letucepry at yahoo.com (Ron Lettuce)
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 01:13:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [NewMusic] Jazz Trance
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 we don't need scat at this point....




________________________________
From: Gino Robair <gino at rastascan.com>
To: newmusic at music.mills.edu
Sent: Friday, June 26, 2009 6:32:48 PM
Subject: [NewMusic] Jazz Trance

Did you know the Human League invented music?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKwQ_zeRwEs



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From mattdavignon at gmail.com  Mon Jun 29 13:53:32 2009
From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon)
Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:53:32 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] 13 year-old kid with a walkman
Message-ID: <c70e517b0906291353m796b7474w8fdc5955928a9be7@mail.gmail.com>

I thought this was a funny article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8117619.stm

"It took me three days to figure out that there was another side to
the tape. That was not the only naive mistake that I made; I mistook
the metal/normal switch on the Walkman for a genre-specific equaliser"

Matt Davignon
www.ribosomemusic.com

From gino at rastascan.com  Tue Jun 30 23:28:37 2009
From: gino at rastascan.com (Gino Robair)
Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 23:28:37 -0700
Subject: [NewMusic] The Burt Ward Sessions (Zappa tracks)
Message-ID: <C6705025.ED5%gino@rastascan.com>

Not sure why I thought of Slusser while listening to this, but there ya go:

http://nevergetoutoftheboat.blogspot.com/2009/05/burt-ward-mothers-of-invent
ion.html

Thanks to HK for hipping me to this blog.