From gcremaschi at hotmail.com Tue Nov 3 07:35:12 2009 From: gcremaschi at hotmail.com (George Cremaschi) Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 07:35:12 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] more Maryanne Amacher In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: www.arts-electric.org/stories/091028_amacher.html _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9690331&ocid=PID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009 From gino at rastascan.com Wed Nov 4 13:00:05 2009 From: gino at rastascan.com (Gino Robair) Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 13:00:05 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Henry Kaiser's new solo guitar video Message-ID: Ice diving with the guitar. To quote Nathan Explosion: "Brutal!" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCPiPh2sWDk From walters at doubtfulpalace.com Thu Nov 5 11:09:11 2009 From: walters at doubtfulpalace.com (Tim Walters) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 11:09:11 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Play in Droneshift - 11/19 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4AF322D7.1070902@doubtfulpalace.com> Matt Davignon wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm putting on another Droneshift concert. It will be a continuous 2 hour > drone on Thursday, November 19th from 8 to 10 pm at the Luggage Store. You > can participate if you like. Count me in if there's still room. -- Tim Walters | The Doubtful Palace | http://doubtfulpalace.com From jon_raskin at yahoo.com Thu Nov 5 12:34:22 2009 From: jon_raskin at yahoo.com (Jon Raskin) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:34:22 +0000 Subject: [NewMusic] New langton closed Message-ID: <389508991-1257453263-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1083136308-@bda298.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I was getting a sandwich at Vega today and saw that all signs of the New Langton center are gone. A sad moment. So much good art for so long. Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From matt at sfsound.org Thu Nov 5 12:39:26 2009 From: matt at sfsound.org (matt) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:39:26 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] New langton closed In-Reply-To: <389508991-1257453263-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1083136308-@bda298.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <389508991-1257453263-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1083136308-@bda298.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <464D6CA0-9F22-43A4-95D4-0BEC374EEA60@sfsound.org> did i hear they were moving or was that intersection for the arts? On Nov 5, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Jon Raskin wrote: > I was getting a sandwich at Vega today and saw that all signs of the > New Langton center are gone. A sad moment. So much good art for so > long. > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic m@ From 21grand at 21grand.org Thu Nov 5 12:53:32 2009 From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 12:53:32 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] New langton closed In-Reply-To: <464D6CA0-9F22-43A4-95D4-0BEC374EEA60@sfsound.org> Message-ID: Last I heard, Langton had run out of money and had a significant amount of debt and were currently in the process of negotiating what to do with their archives. sl on 11/5/09 12:39 PM, matt at matt at sfsound.org wrote: > did i hear they were moving or was that intersection for the arts? > > On Nov 5, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Jon Raskin wrote: > >> I was getting a sandwich at Vega today and saw that all signs of the >> New Langton center are gone. A sad moment. So much good art for so >> long. >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group >> NewMusic at music.mills.edu >> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > > > > m@ > > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From pgsaxo at pacbell.net Thu Nov 5 12:55:09 2009 From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:55:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewMusic] New langton closed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <673650.72601.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> yikes, what a drag... --- On Thu, 11/5/09, Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> wrote: From: Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] New langton closed To: "Banewmus List" Date: Thursday, November 5, 2009, 12:53 PM Last I heard, Langton had run out of money and had a significant amount of debt and were currently in the process of negotiating what to do with their archives. sl on 11/5/09 12:39 PM, matt at matt at sfsound.org wrote: > did i hear they were moving or was that intersection for the arts? > > On Nov 5, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Jon Raskin wrote: > >> I was getting a sandwich at Vega today and saw that all signs of the >> New Langton center are gone. A sad moment. So much good art for so >> long. >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group >> NewMusic at music.mills.edu >> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > > > > m@ > > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From pgsaxo at pacbell.net Thu Nov 5 12:57:18 2009 From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 12:57:18 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewMusic] piano up for grabs In-Reply-To: <464D6CA0-9F22-43A4-95D4-0BEC374EEA60@sfsound.org> Message-ID: <215342.47651.qm@web81402.mail.mud.yahoo.com> if anyone would like a nice piano, the sf waldorf high school where i work is trying to give one away...it's an interesting instrument in that it is an upright grand with electric capabilities...in addition to a good piano sound, it has organ and electric piano sounds as well. if you're interested you could have it for the cost of moving it. call or email me off list: pgsaxo at pacbell.net 510-501-7110 cheers, pg From jon_raskin at yahoo.com Thu Nov 5 12:58:03 2009 From: jon_raskin at yahoo.com (Jon Raskin) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:58:03 +0000 Subject: [NewMusic] New langton closed Message-ID: <1556922971-1257454701-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1562364988-@bda298.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> I wonder what that means. Negotiating with the debtors? They are a non profit with a board so what's up with that? ------Original Message------ From: Sarah - 21 Grand Sender: newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu To: Banewmus List ReplyTo: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group Subject: Re: [NewMusic] New langton closed Sent: Nov 5, 2009 12:53 PM Last I heard, Langton had run out of money and had a significant amount of debt and were currently in the process of negotiating what to do with their archives. sl on 11/5/09 12:39 PM, matt at matt at sfsound.org wrote: > did i hear they were moving or was that intersection for the arts? > > On Nov 5, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Jon Raskin wrote: > >> I was getting a sandwich at Vega today and saw that all signs of the >> New Langton center are gone. A sad moment. So much good art for so >> long. >> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group >> NewMusic at music.mills.edu >> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > > > > m@ > > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry From 21grand at 21grand.org Thu Nov 5 13:02:43 2009 From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand) Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 13:02:43 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] New langton closed In-Reply-To: <1556922971-1257454701-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1562364988-@bda298.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: I don't know what the deal is w/the debtors -- I think they were looking to potentially sell their archives to someone/some institution. The big concern is that it doesn't disappear/deteriorate, because there is so much historically significant stuff involved. sl on 11/5/09 12:58 PM, Jon Raskin at jon_raskin at yahoo.com wrote: > I wonder what that means. Negotiating with the debtors? They are a non profit > with a board so what's up with that? > ------Original Message------ > From: Sarah - 21 Grand > Sender: newmusic-bounces at music.mills.edu > To: Banewmus List > ReplyTo: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > Subject: Re: [NewMusic] New langton closed > Sent: Nov 5, 2009 12:53 PM > > Last I heard, Langton had run out of money and had a significant amount of > debt and were currently in the process of negotiating what to do with their > archives. > > sl > > on 11/5/09 12:39 PM, matt at matt at sfsound.org wrote: > >> did i hear they were moving or was that intersection for the arts? >> >> On Nov 5, 2009, at 12:34 PM, Jon Raskin wrote: >> >>> I was getting a sandwich at Vega today and saw that all signs of the >>> New Langton center are gone. A sad moment. So much good art for so >>> long. >>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group >>> NewMusic at music.mills.edu >>> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic >> >> >> >> m@ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group >> NewMusic at music.mills.edu >> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From mattdavignon at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 13:16:30 2009 From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 13:16:30 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Wu-Tang on Blue Note Message-ID: Not really, but some guy came up with covers for a bunch of Wu-Tang albums as if they were released on Blue Note: http://www.flickr.com/photos/loganmills/sets/72157617640418633/ -- Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From michaelz at zoka.com Thu Nov 5 14:11:30 2009 From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:11:30 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] New langton closed In-Reply-To: <389508991-1257453263-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1083136 308-@bda298.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> References: <389508991-1257453263-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1083136 308-@bda298.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: On 11/5/09, Jon Raskin wrote: >I was getting a sandwich at Vega today and saw that all signs of the >New Langton center are gone. A sad moment. So much good art for so >long. Yes, they suspended operations and left their Folsom St. space back in July. More info here: MZ --------------michaelz at zoka.com--- Michael Zelner ---Oakland CA USA------------------ From jon_raskin at yahoo.com Thu Nov 5 14:43:04 2009 From: jon_raskin at yahoo.com (Jon Raskin) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 14:43:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewMusic] New langton closed In-Reply-To: References: <389508991-1257453263-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1083136 308-@bda298.bisx.prod.on.blackberry> Message-ID: <405946.93333.qm@web55604.mail.re4.yahoo.com> I knew they went dark?in July but the space wasnt' vacated.??The space?is now being shown?for new tenants.? No chance for a wake I guess. ?Jon Raskin ________________________________ From: Michael Zelner To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 2:11:30 PM Subject: Re: [NewMusic] New langton closed On 11/5/09, Jon Raskin wrote: >I was getting a sandwich at Vega today and saw that all signs of the >New Langton center are gone. A sad moment. So much good art for so >long. Yes, they suspended operations and left their Folsom St. space back in July. More info here: MZ --------------michaelz at zoka.com--- ? ? ? ? ? ? Michael Zelner ---Oakland CA USA------------------ _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From mattdavignon at gmail.com Thu Nov 5 20:31:32 2009 From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon) Date: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:31:32 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Call for participants: Pmocatat Ensemble on December 10th Message-ID: Call for Participants The Pmocatat (prerecorded music onto cds and tapes and things) Ensemble Thursday, December 10th, 9pm Luggage Store Gallery 1 Practice required (Probably Saturday, December 5th in the afternoon) The rules: Instead of bringing your instrument, bring recordings of yourself playing one or more "real" acoustic instruments. The recordings can be on record, tape, cd, or a portable device like Ipod (no laptops). We will perform loose compositions written by ensemble for this specific instrumentation. The recordings should be mostly simple musical gestures, recorded with the intention of being mixed with the sounds of other instruments at the live show. You should be the performer of the instruments heard, but it doesn't have to be an instrument you're known for playing. You're welcome (and encouraged) to bring recordings of more than one instrument. At the performance, you're encouraged to play your recorded media with the level of attention that you'd pay to a "real" instrument. You'll be using the play and pause buttons, fiddling with the volume, skipping ahead to certain sections of tracks, scratching the records, etc. We're NOT going to simply let the recordings play by themselves or on shuffle play. Regarding effects, they should be minimal - no samplers, loopers or laptops. I'd say just volume pedal, reverb and pitch bender allowed, and most frequently going "au natural". There may be one song where we use distortion. Once I know who's participating and what instruments you're bringing recordings of, I'll probably split the show up between different instrument combinations, such as all acoustic guitars for one song, woodwinds for another, and sax/bass/drums for another. Advice: CD and tape will probably be the easiest and most fun instruments. The better cd players have cue and reverse buttons that are separate from the "previous/next track" buttons. Multi-speed cassette recorders can be found at radio shack, best buy and a number of stores. Ipod sounds easy, but will probably be the least flexible instrument. (That is, unless iphones have some snazzy track manipulation software I don't know about.) CD-DJ players and such are ok. Before you ask: No, you can't bring recordings on your laptop and play your laptop. The instruments you bring recordings of must be real, natural instruments. You also can't use the "ipiano" or other fake instruments on the iphone, unless they're modifying your instrumental source material. An LP must have your own solo instrumental material. Yes, I know that probably means nobody will be bringing LP. To Participate To sign up, send an email to mattdavignon at gmail.com that states * which form your media will be in (cd's, tapes, ipod, lp) * which instruments will be featured on your media (acoustic guitar, piano, drums, etc...) and bookmark this space to view the running tally of who's participating and what they're doing. Current participants: See www.bayimproviser.com/luggagestore#pmocatat -- Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From mattdavignon at gmail.com Sun Nov 8 19:07:03 2009 From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:07:03 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Something that really gets my craw Message-ID: ...is when people add you to their personal events mailing list without asking you first. Especially when they don't even know you. -- Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From electric.tokyo at gmail.com Sun Nov 8 19:36:51 2009 From: electric.tokyo at gmail.com (Travis Johns) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 19:36:51 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] ::A Synth for All Seasons:: Message-ID: Hi Everyone, So just in time for the holiday season, I offer to the masses a small production run of synths available for order and delivery over the next month and a half or so - or rather, between now and December 5th, since I'm out of town for a bit shortly thereafter. Following in the footsteps of the box that I've been performing on for the past year or thereabouts (as in identical circuitry, but fancier casing), we have a fairly chaotic beasty consisting of three oscillators and two filters, boxed up in a fancy, hand-painted bamboo and acrylic shell. For this edition, we're looking at a buy in of around $150 or so and a build-time of approximately two weeks. Like what you see? Want to know more? Need to have one asap? Drop me a line and we'll talk. Images, etc of said creature (as well as a reproduction of this here offer) = http://circuitryexposed.blogspot.com/. As usual, this critter is hand-built, hand-painted and 100% analog - and local to boot! Seriously - how often can you say that about your electronic gear? So yah, good sounds/low carbon footprint/holiday splendor - what more can you ask for? But anyways, enough carrot dangling, let's be friends! all the best, t. From 8vuit8 at gmail.com Sun Nov 8 20:55:51 2009 From: 8vuit8 at gmail.com (Bob Marsh) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 20:55:51 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Something that really gets my craw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <98e30a870911082055g16219a03yb0f5a7526ba4308@mail.gmail.com> craws are best when boiled for two minutes and served with a wedge of lemon or lime and a little spicy sauce on the side or else sauteed in garlic butter yum On Sun, Nov 8, 2009 at 7:07 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > ...is when people add you to their personal events mailing list without > asking you first. Especially when they don't even know you. > > -- > Matt Davignon > www.ribosomemusic.com > Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > -- Bob Marsh 475 43rd Street Richmond, CA 94805 510-236-2595 home 510-932-9268 cell www.bobmarsh.net www.myspace.com/bobisadoctor www.myspace.com/emergencystringxtet www.myspace.com/yollesmarsh www.myspace.com/desperateremedies www.myspace.com/mrhg80 www.myspace.com/8vuit8 www.myspace.com/neufnineneuf www.myspace.com/thespiritmovesus From mattdavignon at gmail.com Sun Nov 8 22:45:26 2009 From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon) Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 22:45:26 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Something that really gets my craw In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Travis was all: >Do they have a name? I've never met this person, but he's apparently a bandmate of someone who has played at the Luggage Store. I could call the particular individual out, but I think it's better to publicly express my objection to the concept. A few days ago, it was someone else, and a few days ago, it was someone must've seen my name on a bill in Baltimore (they were telling me about their gigs in the Baltimore area.) Then Travis was like: >I wonder though, considering that myspace is waning and facebook is >over-saturated, how else are people able to effectively send out mass >invites? By keeping an email list for announcements. However, people should consent to joining your mailing list. If you harvest email addresses from lists like this one or from the CC field of emails you receive from friends and associates, you are acting exactly like a spammer. Collecting email addresses of people you don't know, and sending them promotional emails is something that's been considered very bad manners since the internet was a public entity. -- Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From mattdavignon at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 16:30:30 2009 From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 16:30:30 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] CD Architect Message-ID: As I'm putting several different recordings together to finish my new cd, I'm again astounded by what a useful tool CD Architect is. Lately I've been feeling a bit critical about the other Sony Media (fka Sonic Foundry) software I've been using for years - especially when it comes down to crossfades. Vegas, which I've been using as a multitracker, lacks the ability to move files around to a resolution of less than 1/10 of a second. In SoundForge, you can do that, but you don't have the ability to drag two different files in relation to each other. (Or maybe there is, but I haven't found it in my 10 years of use.) CD Architect does both of these things. The first thing you do is choose which files you want to be available for inclusion on your cd. Then you drag them as waveforms up to the timeline. Once in the timeline, you can: 1) Adjust individual volume levels with a volume line. (You can create peaks and valleys easily.) 2) Drag and drop tracks to determine how much time is between tracks, or whether they crossfade. (Other programs I've tried let you type in a length of time between tracks. I find the waveform-dragging to be more intuitive.) 3) Get as anal as you want with crossfades. If you want 2 songs to crossfade you just smush them together, then drag the volume lines of each track to where you want them. 4) Easily mark where CD tracks begin and end. It's a simple matter of clicking your mouse there and hitting the "T" key. You can also do it while the track is playing. For example, you could load in a 60 minute live performance, listen to it, and just hit "T" at each point where you'd want a CD track to start. Then you can go back later and drag the "T" markers to the exact location - down to the individual sample of the audio file. 5) Using the above, make several edits within one song. For example, I had this 10 minute song that felt about 4 minutes too long. Within CD Architect, I chopped off the beginning, putting a brief fade in at a good start point. Then if a particular part took too long to develop, I was able to overlap the same track again, only a few repititions earlier. I dragged the tracks to where the waveforms looked like they were in the same part of a different measure. I was then able to do a very fast crossfade between the two waveforms, which sounds absolutely flawless to the ear. 6) It does all the above without saving any changes to your original audio tracks. 7) Before you burn a CD, it will perform a check to see if it's redbook compatible. Only a few things that I wish it could do: 1) I wish it could "write" a digital release. That is, instead of writing to an actual disc, it would create .wav or mp3 files with track numbers and names. 2) I wish it was compatible with Sonic Foundry noise reduction. (Well honestly, it might be. I just did things the old fashioned way instead of trying to do it here.) 3) I wish it had an option to flip audio files in reverse. I admit, this isn't something that many musicians would use, but i find it useful. Thankfully that's something easy to do in other audio editors. 4) I'd like to place markers in the file that I could see in other audio editors. For example, if there's a digital pop or something I'd need to clean up. Anyway, all this for something that costs less than $100. (For PC, it's currently on Amazon for about $85.) -- Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From polly.moller at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 21:40:48 2009 From: polly.moller at gmail.com (Polly Moller) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:40:48 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra Message-ID: <2eb068d40911092140w3f23c6e5qa65f8a0dc08338e7@mail.gmail.com> I think somebody should start it up. But not me, I don't have the bandwidth. P. -- ------------------------------------------------------ http://pollymollerjournal.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------ From amar at ptank.com Mon Nov 9 21:48:58 2009 From: amar at ptank.com (amar at ptank.com) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 00:48:58 -0500 Subject: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra Message-ID: <20091110004858.hp0vf9qfnjb4048c@mail.ptank.com> I'd offer to start it up, but I really doubt anyone would help. I'm also worried about a repeat of what happened last time someone tried to start one of these. Quoting Polly Moller : > I think somebody should start it up. But not me, I don't have the bandwidth. > P. > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ > http://pollymollerjournal.blogspot.com > ------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > From 21grand at 21grand.org Mon Nov 9 21:52:55 2009 From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand) Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 21:52:55 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra In-Reply-To: <20091110004858.hp0vf9qfnjb4048c@mail.ptank.com> Message-ID: What happened? I am confused. ~ sarah on 11/9/09 9:48 PM, amar at ptank.com at amar at ptank.com wrote: > I'd offer to start it up, but I really doubt anyone would help. > I'm also worried about a repeat of what happened last time someone > tried to start one of these. > > > > Quoting Polly Moller : >> I think somebody should start it up. But not me, I don't have the bandwidth. >> P. >> >> -- ------------------------------------------------------ >> http://pollymollerjournal.blogspot.com >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group >> NewMusic at music.mills.edu >> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From polly.moller at gmail.com Mon Nov 9 21:54:47 2009 From: polly.moller at gmail.com (Polly Moller) Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:54:47 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra In-Reply-To: References: <20091110004858.hp0vf9qfnjb4048c@mail.ptank.com> Message-ID: <2eb068d40911092154j5a475afey931892aabf02dcb1@mail.gmail.com> Amar will tell you all about it. P. On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> wrote: > What happened? I am confused. > > ~ sarah > > on 11/9/09 9:48 PM, amar at ptank.com at amar at ptank.com wrote: -- ------------------------------------------------------ http://pollymollerjournal.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------ From amar at ptank.com Mon Nov 9 22:11:37 2009 From: amar at ptank.com (=?utf-8?b?QW1hciBDaGF1ZGhhcnk=?=) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:11:37 -0500 Subject: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra Message-ID: <20091110011137.4g4elv59h40ks4g0@mail.ptank.com> Sorry about that, I guess I thought it was self-explanatory. Might want to check bayimproviser.com, though. -Amar Quoting Polly Moller : > Amar will tell you all about it. > P. > > On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> wrote: > > What happened? I am confused. > > > > ~ sarah > > > > on 11/9/09 9:48 PM, amar at ptank.com at amar at ptank.com wrote: > > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ > http://pollymollerjournal.blogspot.com > ------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > From polly.moller at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 09:55:26 2009 From: polly.moller at gmail.com (Polly Moller) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 09:55:26 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Composing guitarist and composing drummer sought Message-ID: <2eb068d40911100955r41f24ffci612e45bf5c19ae88@mail.gmail.com> An electro-acoustic band called Reconnaissance Fly, consisting presently of flutist/bass flutist/spoken wordist/singer/frontwoman Polly Moller (me), pianist/electronics wizard Amar Chaudhary, and bassist Tim Walters, seeks two more members to make the band a quintet. We're currently working on a communally composed, long-form, multi-movement "spong cycle" entitled Flower Futures. It will be performed live (a lot, we hope) and recorded to be our first CD released on Edgetone Records. Candidate must-have traits: - Electric guitar player - Drummer with a kit - Team player - Enthusiastic about writing pieces and improv frameworks in support of spoetry - Drummer likes to keep time as well as freely improvise Very desirable traits: - guitarist creative with pedals, looping, etc. - drummer creative with objects, toys, etc. - both candidates not in 10 other bands already Desirable traits: - Won't bring pineapple pizza to rehearsal - Won't laugh when the frontwoman bends over If you are interested, please write back to me off the list. Thanks! Cheers, Polly Moller -- ------------------------------------------------------ http://pollymollerjournal.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------ From biffoz at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 10:06:57 2009 From: biffoz at gmail.com (Miko Biffle) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 10:06:57 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] CD Architect In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3fa302e30911101006j56282677n6b4a3b16b19ce033@mail.gmail.com> I LOVE CDArch . . . You can open the other Sony/Sonic Foundry apps inside CDA if you haven't noticed that already. That's where you can flip an entire track to reverse (Sound Forge). Save, Exit and you're right back in CDA. -m On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: 3) I wish it had an option to flip audio files in reverse. I admit, this > isn't something that many musicians would use, but i find it useful. > Thankfully that's something easy to do in other audio editors. > -- Mikko Biffle Biffoz at Gmail.com "Running scared from all the usual distractions!" From polly.moller at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 15:53:47 2009 From: polly.moller at gmail.com (Polly Moller) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 15:53:47 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Crowd-funding Message-ID: <2eb068d40911101553wde1452am6a6491f990d551c4@mail.gmail.com> I'm curious if anybody has tried this? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/10/DD7P1AG0SL.DTL P. -- ------------------------------------------------------ http://pollymollerjournal.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------ From pete at creepsville.com Tue Nov 10 16:21:35 2009 From: pete at creepsville.com (Pete von Petrin) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:21:35 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Crowd-funding In-Reply-To: <2eb068d40911101553wde1452am6a6491f990d551c4@mail.gmail.com> References: <2eb068d40911101553wde1452am6a6491f990d551c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4AFA038F.9060501@creepsville.com> I really want to try kickstarter, but my "fan base" is a little small for that to work. I think you really need a hardcore, enthusiastic group of fans in the (high) hundreds or thousands for that to work out. Polly Moller wrote: > I'm curious if anybody has tried this? > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/10/DD7P1AG0SL.DTL > > P. > From timduroche at variousartists.org Tue Nov 10 16:27:47 2009 From: timduroche at variousartists.org (Tim DuRoche) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:27:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewMusic] Crowd-funding In-Reply-To: <2eb068d40911101553wde1452am6a6491f990d551c4@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <528956.70644.qm@web1212.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I know a few people who have, playwright, fiction writer. There's also a project going on here in Portland with visual arts--it's called Stock. Once a month people get together over a hosted soup dinner and collectively vote on microgrants to arts projects. 70 people gave away $500 last month to a collaborative artist-duo. --- On Tue, 11/10/09, Polly Moller wrote: > From: Polly Moller > Subject: [NewMusic] Crowd-funding > To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" > Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 3:53 PM > I'm curious if anybody has tried > this? > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/10/DD7P1AG0SL.DTL > > P. > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > http://pollymollerjournal.blogspot.com > ------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > From timduroche at variousartists.org Tue Nov 10 16:28:47 2009 From: timduroche at variousartists.org (Tim DuRoche) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:28:47 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewMusic] Crowd-funding In-Reply-To: <4AFA038F.9060501@creepsville.com> Message-ID: <818182.66598.qm@web1209.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> I'd suggest leveraging Kickstarter through social media like Facebook or Twitter and letting other people spread the good idea outwards for you. --- On Tue, 11/10/09, Pete von Petrin wrote: > From: Pete von Petrin > Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Crowd-funding > To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" > Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 4:21 PM > I really want to try kickstarter, but > my "fan base" is a little small > for that to work. I think you really need a hardcore, > enthusiastic group > of fans in the (high) hundreds or thousands for that to > work out. > > > Polly Moller wrote: > > I'm curious if anybody has tried this? > > > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/10/DD7P1AG0SL.DTL > > > > P. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > From suki at zoka.com Tue Nov 10 16:47:10 2009 From: suki at zoka.com (Suki O'Kane) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 16:47:10 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Crowd-funding Message-ID: <20091111004710.5771.qmail@zoka.com> One can try... but KickStarter decides who gets to play. Last I checked it was a vetted list of projects. http://blog.kickstarter.com/post/172227888/where-invites-come-from So in a way, it's a form of the new form of "prize" philanthropy. I'm on the fence about it: I'd love for micro-funding to find its place in local culture, and to banish the the overhead, but the "American Idol"-style voting thing is leaves me kinda meh. Not doubting its popularity, where an otherwise politically disenfranchised society gets all chuffed casting a vote for their favorite singer/dancer/poker player/charity/social enterprise. Everybody likes to pick a winner. East Bay Community and San Francisco Foundation ran their matching grant programs for a couple years (it's still on, actually, visit their websites) and discovered that the Bay Area arts community was able to unexpectedly crowdFund. The program leveraged way more than expected from super small donations that embraced, for many of the individual artists, a lot of social media and the tone of immediate one-to-one giving. The foundations were so surprised by it, they commissioned a study to figure out what the hell was going on. I kept flashing on all those nice people putting money into George Bailey's hat at the end of "It's A Wonderful Life". IMDB puts it so well: "George goes home to find the entire community gathered at his house to raise money for his consistently philanthropic loan business." oops, spoiler alert, -s ------- Original Message ------- On 11/10/2009 3:53 PM Polly Moller wrote: I'm curious if anybody has tried this? http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/10/DD7P1AG0SL.DTL P. -- ------------------------------------------------------ http://pollymollerjournal.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From pete at creepsville.com Tue Nov 10 17:02:03 2009 From: pete at creepsville.com (Pete von Petrin) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:02:03 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Crowd-funding In-Reply-To: <20091111004710.5771.qmail@zoka.com> References: <20091111004710.5771.qmail@zoka.com> Message-ID: <4AFA0D0B.6020100@creepsville.com> You can get an invite through bandcamp: http://blog.bandcamp.com/2009/07/20/kickstarter/ (though you probably need to set up a bandcamp account and offer some downloads). it isn't a contest. the invites are currently limited because kickstarter has a small team, and there's no "vote for this vs. that" mechanism - it's just support what you like microfunding. Suki O'Kane wrote: > One can try... but KickStarter decides who gets to play. Last I checked it was a vetted list of projects. http://blog.kickstarter.com/post/172227888/where-invites-come-from > > So in a way, it's a form of the new form of "prize" philanthropy. I'm on the fence about it: I'd love for micro-funding to find its place in local culture, and to banish the the overhead, but the "American Idol"-style voting thing is leaves me kinda meh. Not doubting its popularity, where an otherwise politically disenfranchised society gets all chuffed casting a vote for their favorite singer/dancer/poker player/charity/social enterprise. Everybody likes to pick a winner. > > East Bay Community and San Francisco Foundation ran their matching grant programs for a couple years (it's still on, actually, visit their websites) and discovered that the Bay Area arts community was able to unexpectedly crowdFund. The program leveraged way more than expected from super small donations that embraced, for many of the individual artists, a lot of social media and the tone of immediate one-to-one giving. The foundations were so surprised by it, they commissioned a study to figure out what the hell was going on. I kept flashing on all those nice people putting money into George Bailey's hat at the end of "It's A Wonderful Life". IMDB puts it so well: "George goes home to find the entire community gathered at his house to raise money for his consistently philanthropic loan business." > > oops, spoiler alert, > -s > > ------- Original Message ------- > On 11/10/2009 3:53 PM Polly Moller wrote: > I'm curious if anybody has tried this? > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/10/DD7P1AG0SL.DTL > > P. > From damon at balancepointacoustics.com Tue Nov 10 17:04:28 2009 From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:04:28 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra In-Reply-To: <20091110011137.4g4elv59h40ks4g0@mail.ptank.com> References: <20091110011137.4g4elv59h40ks4g0@mail.ptank.com> Message-ID: <67E645AC-5F0B-450E-8F6F-3722C4753A7F@balancepointacoustics.com> OPAO has existed for years - mostly on ba-newmus where the do- nothings make snide remarks about people out there doing their work. An acutal gig may not need to happen, it could exist as an online concept and we can paraphrase Lawrence Weiner's statement about his language works: "The artist may construct the piece; the piece may be fabricated; the piece need not be built. Each being equal and consistent with the intent of the artist the decision as to condition rests with the receiver upon the occasion of receivership" On Nov 9, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Amar Chaudhary wrote: > Sorry about that, I guess I thought it was self-explanatory. Might > want to check bayimproviser.com, though. > > -Amar > > > > Quoting Polly Moller : >> Amar will tell you all about it. >> P. >> >> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Sarah - 21 Grand >> <21grand at 21grand.org> wrote: >>> What happened? I am confused. >>> >>> ~ sarah >>> >>> on 11/9/09 9:48 PM, amar at ptank.com at amar at ptank.com wrote: >> >> >> -- ------------------------------------------------------ >> http://pollymollerjournal.blogspot.com >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> Bay Area New Music Discussion Group >> NewMusic at music.mills.edu >> http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic Damon Smith http://www.balancepointacoustics.com http://myspace.com/smithdamon New solo project: http://www.myspace.com/damonsmithsolo From polly.moller at gmail.com Tue Nov 10 17:14:21 2009 From: polly.moller at gmail.com (Polly Moller) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:14:21 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra In-Reply-To: <67E645AC-5F0B-450E-8F6F-3722C4753A7F@balancepointacoustics.com> References: <20091110011137.4g4elv59h40ks4g0@mail.ptank.com> <67E645AC-5F0B-450E-8F6F-3722C4753A7F@balancepointacoustics.com> Message-ID: <2eb068d40911101714l370f91bft5326d600cd9c1041@mail.gmail.com> Does anybody know what Damon's talking about? I sure don't... P. On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Damon Smith wrote: > OPAO has existed for years - mostly on ba-newmus where the do- > nothings make snide remarks about people out there doing their work. -- ------------------------------------------------------ http://pollymollerjournal.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------ From suki at zoka.com Tue Nov 10 17:33:23 2009 From: suki at zoka.com (Suki O'Kane) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:33:23 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Crowd-funding Message-ID: <20091111013323.54068.qmail@zoka.com> true, no explicit voting. But in a way it's a contest, yes? If one doesn't meet a funding goal, the whole effort goes away. From their site: "No funding, no rewards. Everyone walks away as if nothing happened." (Rewards, by zee vay, are the things you provide to people who pledge support to your project.) So in a way each project is competing with all the other projects, like all cereal boxes compete with other cereal boxes. And how many times do you have to wade through a bunch of cereal boxes to get to the produce behind the supermarket? NIMBY is there: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1362561841/nimby-industrial-art-and-diy-space and AUX was trying to bring Faust to Athens, GA: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/auxfestival/bring-faust-to-athens-ga They didn't hit their goal, but they presented Faust anyway. Think they did it by hitting up their 34 backers for a donation offline? In which case... might they have done that without Kickstart? curious, -s ------- Original Message ------- On 11/10/2009 5:02 PM Pete von Petrin wrote: You can get an invite through bandcamp: http://blog.bandcamp.com/2009/07/20/kickstarter/ (though you probably need to set up a bandcamp account and offer some downloads). it isn't a contest. the invites are currently limited because kickstarter has a small team, and there's no "vote for this vs. that" mechanism - it's just support what you like microfunding. Suki O'Kane wrote: > One can try... but KickStarter decides who gets to play. Last I checked it was a vetted list of projects. http://blog.kickstarter.com/post/172227888/where-invites-come-from > > So in a way, it's a form of the new form of "prize" philanthropy. I'm on the fence about it: I'd love for micro-funding to find its place in local culture, and to banish the the overhead, but the "American Idol"-style voting thing is leaves me kinda meh. Not doubting its popularity, where an otherwise politically disenfranchised society gets all chuffed casting a vote for their favorite singer/dancer/poker player/charity/social enterprise. Everybody likes to pick a winner. > > East Bay Community and San Francisco Foundation ran their matching grant programs for a couple years (it's still on, actually, visit their websites) and discovered that the Bay Area arts community was able to unexpectedly crowdFund. The program leveraged way more than expected from super small donations that embraced, for many of the individual artists, a lot of social media and the tone of immediate one-to-one giving. The foundations were so surprised by it, they commissioned a study to figure out what the hell was going on. I kept flashing on all those nice people putting money into George Bailey's hat at the end of "It's A Wonderful Life". IMDB puts it so well: "George goes home to find the entire community gathered at his house to raise money for his consistently philanthropic loan business." > > oops, spoiler alert, > -s > > ------- Original Message ------- > On 11/10/2009 3:53 PM Polly Moller wrote: > I'm curious if anybody has tried this? > > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/10/DD7P1AG0SL.DTL > > P. > _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From matt at sfsound.org Tue Nov 10 17:38:03 2009 From: matt at sfsound.org (matt) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 17:38:03 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra In-Reply-To: <2eb068d40911101714l370f91bft5326d600cd9c1041@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091110011137.4g4elv59h40ks4g0@mail.ptank.com> <67E645AC-5F0B-450E-8F6F-3722C4753A7F@balancepointacoustics.com> <2eb068d40911101714l370f91bft5326d600cd9c1041@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: "passive-aggresive orchestra" is redundant. just "orchestra" will suffice. On Nov 10, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Polly Moller wrote: > Does anybody know what Damon's talking about? I sure don't... > P. > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Damon Smith > wrote: >> OPAO has existed for years - mostly on ba-newmus where the do- >> nothings make snide remarks about people out there doing their work. > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > http://pollymollerjournal.blogspot.com > ------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic m@ From damon at balancepointacoustics.com Tue Nov 10 19:36:05 2009 From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:36:05 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra In-Reply-To: <2eb068d40911101714l370f91bft5326d600cd9c1041@mail.gmail.com> References: <20091110011137.4g4elv59h40ks4g0@mail.ptank.com> <67E645AC-5F0B-450E-8F6F-3722C4753A7F@balancepointacoustics.com> <2eb068d40911101714l370f91bft5326d600cd9c1041@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2E4A183B-69FE-40C4-8DFE-A8DB45E3F134@balancepointacoustics.com> I don't know either, where did the Passive Agressive Orchestra thread come from in the first place? On Nov 10, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Polly Moller wrote: > Does anybody know what Damon's talking about? I sure don't... > P. > > On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Damon Smith > wrote: >> OPAO has existed for years - mostly on ba-newmus where the do- >> nothings make snide remarks about people out there doing their work. > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------ > http://pollymollerjournal.blogspot.com > ------------------------------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic Damon Smith http://www.balancepointacoustics.com http://myspace.com/smithdamon New solo project: http://www.myspace.com/damonsmithsolo From suki at zoka.com Tue Nov 10 19:52:15 2009 From: suki at zoka.com (Suki O'Kane) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:52:15 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra In-Reply-To: <2E4A183B-69FE-40C4-8DFE-A8DB45E3F134@balancepointacoustics.com> References: <20091110011137.4g4elv59h40ks4g0@mail.ptank.com> <67E645AC-5F0B-450E-8F6F-3722C4753A7F@balancepointacoustics.com> <2eb068d40911101714l370f91bft5326d600cd9c1041@mail.gmail.com> <2E4A183B-69FE-40C4-8DFE-A8DB45E3F134@balancepointacoustics.com> Message-ID: It wasn't me. Although I don't know why it would be problem if it was me. -s >I don't know either, where did the Passive Agressive Orchestra thread >come from in the first place? > >On Nov 10, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Polly Moller wrote: > >> Does anybody know what Damon's talking about? I sure don't... >> P. >> >> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Damon Smith >> wrote: >>> OPAO has existed for years - mostly on ba-newmus where the do- > >> nothings make snide remarks about people out there doing their work. -- suki o'kane mailto:suki at zoka.com http://www.myspace.com/sukiokane From 21grand at 21grand.org Tue Nov 10 19:55:11 2009 From: 21grand at 21grand.org (Sarah - 21 Grand) Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2009 19:55:11 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Guys, this is really _confusing_ and I really don't want to be a _bitch_ about it, but this really isn't _funny_ okay, and even if it _was_ FUNNY, you should really use the subjunctive tense properly Thanks :) sl on 11/10/09 7:52 PM, Suki O'Kane at suki at zoka.com wrote: > It wasn't me. Although I don't know why it would be problem if it was me. > > -s > >> I don't know either, where did the Passive Agressive Orchestra thread >> come from in the first place? >> >> On Nov 10, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Polly Moller wrote: >> >>> Does anybody know what Damon's talking about? I sure don't... >>> P. >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Damon Smith >>> wrote: >>>> OPAO has existed for years - mostly on ba-newmus where the do- >>>> nothings make snide remarks about people out there doing their work. From gcremaschi at hotmail.com Wed Nov 11 00:44:16 2009 From: gcremaschi at hotmail.com (George Cremaschi) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:44:16 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Crowd-funding In-Reply-To: <20091111004710.5771.qmail@zoka.com> References: <20091111004710.5771.qmail@zoka.com> Message-ID: Suki wrote> > One can try... but KickStarter decides who gets to play. Last I checked it was a vetted list of projects. http://blog.kickstarter.com/post/172227888/where-invites-come-from And heres one of their projects> "After seeing his friend Web entrepreneur Andy Baio post a project on Kickstarter aiming to transform Miles Davis' album "Kind of Blue" into 8-bit chiptune sound (imagine the pingy bings of an early Nintendo game)" Wow, more 8 bit bullshit. So get in line with your "serious" projects, folks...... George _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ From otis_mccoppin at yahoo.com Wed Nov 11 09:43:15 2009 From: otis_mccoppin at yahoo.com (Otis McCoppin) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 09:43:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <673753.68586.qm@web38301.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I sincerely and enthusiastically volunteer to wholeheartedly help people with the administrative side of the orchestra, even though I really don't like the music, it will take valuable time away from helping my dying aunt, and leave me financially destitute due to all the payless work, from you folks twisting my arm so much. ~WF --- On Tue, 11/10/09, Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> wrote: From: Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra To: "Banewmus List" Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 7:55 PM Guys, this is really _confusing_ and I really don't want to be a _bitch_ about it, but this really isn't _funny_ okay, and even if it _was_ FUNNY, you should really use the subjunctive tense properly Thanks :) sl on 11/10/09 7:52 PM, Suki O'Kane at suki at zoka.com wrote: > It wasn't me. Although I don't know why it would be problem if it was me. > > -s > >> I don't know either, where did the Passive Agressive Orchestra thread >> come from in the first place? >> >> On Nov 10, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Polly Moller wrote: >> >>>? Does anybody know what Damon's talking about?? I sure don't... >>>? P. >>> >>>? On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Damon Smith >>>? wrote: >>>>? OPAO has existed for years - mostly on ba-newmus where the do- >>>> nothings make snide remarks about people out there doing their work. _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From letucepry at yahoo.com Wed Nov 11 10:12:09 2009 From: letucepry at yahoo.com (Ron Lettuce) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:12:09 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <673597.60021.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Me thinks me hears a percussion solo... ________________________________ From: Sarah - 21 Grand <21grand at 21grand.org> To: Banewmus List Sent: Tue, November 10, 2009 7:55:11 PM Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra Guys, this is really _confusing_ and I really don't want to be a _bitch_ about it, but this really isn't _funny_ okay, and even if it _was_ FUNNY, you should really use the subjunctive tense properly Thanks :) sl on 11/10/09 7:52 PM, Suki O'Kane at suki at zoka.com wrote: > It wasn't me. Although I don't know why it would be problem if it was me. > > -s > >> I don't know either, where did the Passive Agressive Orchestra thread >> come from in the first place? >> >> On Nov 10, 2009, at 5:14 PM, Polly Moller wrote: >> >>>? Does anybody know what Damon's talking about?? I sure don't... >>>? P. >>> >>>? On Tue, Nov 10, 2009 at 5:04 PM, Damon Smith >>>? wrote: >>>>? OPAO has existed for years - mostly on ba-newmus where the do- >>>> nothings make snide remarks about people out there doing their work. _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From polly.moller at gmail.com Wed Nov 11 10:17:19 2009 From: polly.moller at gmail.com (Polly Moller) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 10:17:19 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra In-Reply-To: <673597.60021.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <673597.60021.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2eb068d40911111017u785c368fje488dcb005fdf60@mail.gmail.com> I need to know when the first rehearsals are, so I can have a timeline for writing my piece for the OPAO, since of course I am being commissioned to write for the group, because the group was my idea. P. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Ron Lettuce wrote: > Me thinks me hears a percussion solo... > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ http://pollymollerjournal.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------ From otis_mccoppin at yahoo.com Wed Nov 11 11:14:51 2009 From: otis_mccoppin at yahoo.com (Otis McCoppin) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:14:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra In-Reply-To: <2eb068d40911111017u785c368fje488dcb005fdf60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <866611.734.qm@web38304.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Your composition will of course be brilliant, with your limited skills, and great idea to start the group too, for this quaint type of plucky music. --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Polly Moller wrote: From: Polly Moller Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 10:17 AM I need to know when the first rehearsals are, so I can have a timeline for writing my piece for the OPAO, since of course I am being commissioned to write for the group, because the group was my idea. P. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Ron Lettuce wrote: > Me thinks me hears a percussion solo... > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ http://pollymollerjournal.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From letucepry at yahoo.com Wed Nov 11 11:20:38 2009 From: letucepry at yahoo.com (Ron Lettuce) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 11:20:38 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra In-Reply-To: <2eb068d40911111017u785c368fje488dcb005fdf60@mail.gmail.com> References: <673597.60021.qm@web54304.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <2eb068d40911111017u785c368fje488dcb005fdf60@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <900822.57877.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> If you were to have a refrigerator to post your compositions on little post it notes, suggesting possible activities for the orchestra, that might have been nice too, but apparently someone forgot to bring it to the performance... ________________________________ From: Polly Moller To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 10:17:19 AM Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra I need to know when the first rehearsals are, so I can have a timeline for writing my piece for the OPAO, since of course I am being commissioned to write for the group, because the group was my idea. P. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Ron Lettuce wrote: > Me thinks me hears a percussion solo... > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ http://pollymollerjournal.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From suki at zoka.com Wed Nov 11 15:34:01 2009 From: suki at zoka.com (Suki O'Kane) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:34:01 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra Message-ID: <20091111233401.14499.qmail@zoka.com> nice use of subjunctive mood! not that we care, -s p.s. if someone threadjacks this into a discussion of David Lang / Adam Goldberg / Untitled, that might redeem. ------- Original Message ------- On 11/11/2009 11:20 AM Ron Lettuce wrote: If you were to have a refrigerator to post your compositions on little post it notes, suggesting possible activities for the orchestra, that might have been nice too, but apparently someone forgot to bring it to the performance... ________________________________ From: Polly Moller To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 10:17:19 AM Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra I need to know when the first rehearsals are, so I can have a timeline for writing my piece for the OPAO, since of course I am being commissioned to write for the group, because the group was my idea. P. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Ron Lettuce wrote: > Me thinks me hears a percussion solo... > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ http://pollymollerjournal.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From timduroche at variousartists.org Wed Nov 11 15:38:16 2009 From: timduroche at variousartists.org (Tim DuRoche) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:38:16 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewMusic] Crowd-funding In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <572377.12971.qm@web1207.biz.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Here's another good model: FEAST Fundraising Concept Spreads Across the Country Minnesota Public Radio NewsQ, 11/10/09 "A new movement is spreading across the nation that combines grassroots arts funding with sustainable agriculture. It's called FEAST [Funding Emerging Art with Sustainable Tactics]. And on [November 14] it's making its debut in Minneapolis. Jeff Hnilicka is a founder of FEAST in Brooklyn, which first started hosting dinners to raise funds for artists in February." Hnilicka says, "The basic set up is we have 200?500 people that come out for a big dinner. We locally source it working with a farm. We cook a big vegetarian organic meal. Everyone gets supper and a ballot and we charge a small door fee?we ask $10?20 and then there's about 15 artists' projects around the room, and whoever gets the most votes gets the money that we collect at the door. And then the artist comes back the next month and shows what they've been working on. Hnilicka compares the artist presentations to high school science fairs. They stand next to a table with some images of their work, and a brief description, and answer questions. It's a lot less time consuming than preparing a grant application. In addition, the artist knows whether or not they got funding in about four hour's time." http://bit.ly/280Qaj --- On Wed, 11/11/09, George Cremaschi wrote: > From: George Cremaschi > Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Crowd-funding > To: newmusic at music.mills.edu > Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 12:44 AM > > > Suki wrote> > > > One can try... but KickStarter decides who gets to > play. Last I checked it was a vetted list of projects. http://blog.kickstarter.com/post/172227888/where-invites-come-from > > > And heres one of their projects> > "After seeing his friend Web entrepreneur Andy Baio > post a project on Kickstarter aiming to transform Miles > Davis' > album > "Kind of Blue" into 8-bit chiptune sound (imagine the pingy > bings of an > early Nintendo game)" > > Wow, more 8 bit bullshit. > > So get in line with your "serious" projects, folks...... > > George > > > ??? > ???????? > ?????? ??? > ? > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > From otis_mccoppin at yahoo.com Wed Nov 11 15:49:25 2009 From: otis_mccoppin at yahoo.com (Otis McCoppin) Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 15:49:25 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra In-Reply-To: <900822.57877.qm@web54307.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <219087.64842.qm@web38302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> They 'forgot' it just to sabotage up all the vocal training I have been doing to harmonize with the fridge's 60 cycle hum. --- On Wed, 11/11/09, Ron Lettuce wrote: From: Ron Lettuce Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra To: "Bay Area New Music Discussion Group" Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 11:20 AM If you were to have a refrigerator to post your compositions on little post it notes, suggesting possible activities for the orchestra, that might have been nice too, but apparently someone forgot to bring it to the performance... ________________________________ From: Polly Moller To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group Sent: Wed, November 11, 2009 10:17:19 AM Subject: Re: [NewMusic] Oakland Passive-Aggressive Orchestra I need to know when the first rehearsals are, so I can have a timeline for writing my piece for the OPAO, since of course I am being commissioned to write for the group, because the group was my idea. P. On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Ron Lettuce wrote: > Me thinks me hears a percussion solo... > > -- ------------------------------------------------------ http://pollymollerjournal.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From otis_mccoppin at yahoo.com Thu Nov 12 15:16:51 2009 From: otis_mccoppin at yahoo.com (Otis McCoppin) Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:16:51 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewMusic] CD documents SF's pioneering Fifty Foot Hose Message-ID: <552659.61136.qm@web38308.mail.mud.yahoo.com> New CD released from a 2003 Fifty Foot Hose performance, documenting the live side of Cork Marcheschi's pioneering experimental group. Truly one of the Bay Area's first Avant-Garde rock bands. http://anthologyrecordings.com/release.asp?album=FOgIMVzZlkK Recorded: live on March 16, 2003 at the Beta Lounge in San Francisco Cork Marcheschi - Audio Generators, Echolette, Squeaky Box, Siren, Ringing Oscillator Circuits, Microphone, Thereman, Speakers Lenny Bove - bass, vocals and tower electronique. Eliza Perry ? vocals Reid Johnston ? guitar, electronic and acoustic creations Walter Funk the 3rd ? waterphone, jokers, cupid ---------------------------------------------- In 1967, San Francisco?s Fifty Foot Hose were certainly one of the innovators of a sound that took Psychedelia to new heights and was captured on the band?s first record, Cauldron. They are a totally unique hybrid?on one hand pulsating bay area acid rock, on the other, fractured electronic freakery, becoming one whole cohesive being. The sci-fi-ish video game-like artwork hinted at the sounds within, as did the Limelight label?s pedigree for truly progressive sounds. Band leader, Cork Marcheschi, used homemade electronic devices to create crude and experimental soundscapes and instrumental compositions that were sprinkled throughout the album. Often starting shows with a swelling rumble that exploded into the first song, they soon developed a rabid following on the SF scene, though there was the occasional totally wrong gig, like when a very-pregnant Nancy had to perform at a Catholic Girls? school! Still, the group wowed the crowds, performing with greats like Chuck Berry and Fairport Convention. Interest in Fifty Foot Hose resurfaced in the 1990s, as they became recognized as influences to experimental rock groups like Peru Ubu, Chrome and Throbbing Gristle, & Cauldron was reissued on CD. From michaelz at zoka.com Fri Nov 13 13:52:41 2009 From: michaelz at zoka.com (Michael Zelner) Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 13:52:41 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Annie's Social Club closing Message-ID: [Too bad. . . The Resipiscent Records show there last month was fun. -- MZ] >Annie's Social Club - Kaput > >Annie's Social Club closes its doors forever as of December 31, 2009. > >For the last four years they've really supported the local scene on >5th and Folsom. They've utilized local promoters and have put >amazing showcases, like those of Alcoholocaust. > >It's really sad to lose a club so committed to great music. > >There has been no official reason for the closing of the club. > >The space has turned over ownership over the years and has continued >as a club, but Annie's seemed to do the live shows better than >previous owners. > >Is it for sale? Are there new owners? Pray that someone takes it >over who supports the local and touring music scene. > >There's about seven weeks left to enjoy Annie's Social Club. > >Hey Annie, thanks for the memories. > >Posted By: Tony DuShane (Email) | November 12 2009 at 10:45 PM From slusser at pixar.com Sat Nov 14 22:28:28 2009 From: slusser at pixar.com (David Slusser) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:28:28 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Untitled In-Reply-To: <67E645AC-5F0B-450E-8F6F-3722C4753A7F@balancepointacoustics.com> References: <20091110011137.4g4elv59h40ks4g0@mail.ptank.com> <67E645AC-5F0B-450E-8F6F-3722C4753A7F@balancepointacoustics.com> Message-ID: <005789E0-889D-43B0-8143-592F43BAB8CC@pixar.com> I just went to the movie (as opposed to film) "Untitled". It's about people in avant-garde art, visual and musical. It's less kind to the visual artists and their milieu, but I wonder how many of you will be either offended or sympathetic with the musical depiction. I enjoyed it for my own perverse reasons, but am left wondering if an avant-garde "film" about avant-garde art would get it any better. This is a "movie" about people - but they're people you know. From damon at balancepointacoustics.com Sat Nov 14 22:33:12 2009 From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:33:12 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Untitled In-Reply-To: <005789E0-889D-43B0-8143-592F43BAB8CC@pixar.com> References: <20091110011137.4g4elv59h40ks4g0@mail.ptank.com> <67E645AC-5F0B-450E-8F6F-3722C4753A7F@balancepointacoustics.com> <005789E0-889D-43B0-8143-592F43BAB8CC@pixar.com> Message-ID: I went to it with Kaiser and William Winant, apperently the first performance was based on one WW did with Zorn a while ago. I thought it was so-so, just barely worth watching. It really needed to be more accurrate or more of a parody and it needed WAY less Bang on a Can. On Nov 14, 2009, at 10:28 PM, David Slusser wrote: > I just went to the movie (as opposed to film) "Untitled". > > It's about people in avant-garde art, visual and musical. > > It's less kind to the visual artists and their milieu, but I > wonder how many of you will be either offended or > sympathetic with the musical depiction. > > I enjoyed it for my own perverse reasons, but am left > wondering if an avant-garde "film" about avant-garde > art would get it any better. This is a "movie" about > people - but they're people you know. > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic Damon Smith http://www.balancepointacoustics.com http://myspace.com/smithdamon New solo project: http://www.myspace.com/damonsmithsolo From slusser at pixar.com Sat Nov 14 22:41:06 2009 From: slusser at pixar.com (David Slusser) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:41:06 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Untitled In-Reply-To: References: <20091110011137.4g4elv59h40ks4g0@mail.ptank.com> <67E645AC-5F0B-450E-8F6F-3722C4753A7F@balancepointacoustics.com> <005789E0-889D-43B0-8143-592F43BAB8CC@pixar.com> Message-ID: <24C159CB-A760-44E6-BCA0-EAC229C71DAC@pixar.com> Just like the movie - nice name dropping. On Nov 14, 2009, at 10:33 PM, Damon Smith wrote: > I went to it with Kaiser and William Winant, apperently the first > performance was based on one WW did with Zorn a while ago. > I thought it was so-so, just barely worth watching. It really needed > to be more accurrate or more of a parody and it needed WAY less Bang > on a Can. From damon at balancepointacoustics.com Sat Nov 14 22:48:06 2009 From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 22:48:06 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Untitled In-Reply-To: <24C159CB-A760-44E6-BCA0-EAC229C71DAC@pixar.com> References: <20091110011137.4g4elv59h40ks4g0@mail.ptank.com> <67E645AC-5F0B-450E-8F6F-3722C4753A7F@balancepointacoustics.com> <005789E0-889D-43B0-8143-592F43BAB8CC@pixar.com> <24C159CB-A760-44E6-BCA0-EAC229C71DAC@pixar.com> Message-ID: It had some moments for sure, but I wished I was watching "A Serious Man" again about half way through. Do Kaiser and Winant count as name dropping? Good for them! It does have a pretty good awkward sex scene... On Nov 14, 2009, at 10:41 PM, David Slusser wrote: > Just like the movie - nice name dropping. > > On Nov 14, 2009, at 10:33 PM, Damon Smith wrote: > >> I went to it with Kaiser and William Winant, apperently the first >> performance was based on one WW did with Zorn a while ago. >> I thought it was so-so, just barely worth watching. It really needed >> to be more accurrate or more of a parody and it needed WAY less Bang >> on a Can. > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic Damon Smith http://www.balancepointacoustics.com http://myspace.com/smithdamon New solo project: http://www.myspace.com/damonsmithsolo From slusser at pixar.com Sat Nov 14 23:21:59 2009 From: slusser at pixar.com (David Slusser) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:21:59 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Untitled In-Reply-To: References: <20091110011137.4g4elv59h40ks4g0@mail.ptank.com> <67E645AC-5F0B-450E-8F6F-3722C4753A7F@balancepointacoustics.com> <005789E0-889D-43B0-8143-592F43BAB8CC@pixar.com> <24C159CB-A760-44E6-BCA0-EAC229C71DAC@pixar.com> Message-ID: On Nov 14, 2009, at 10:48 PM, Damon Smith wrote: > It had some moments for sure, but I wished I was watching "A Serious > Man" again about half way through. Do Kaiser and Winant count as name > dropping? Good for them! > It does have a pretty good awkward sex scene... ...well, that's kinda what I was saying about movie as opposed to film. The Coens are getting about as far as you can with movies. As I recall, you're no fan of irony, but, yes, Henry and Willie are names to drop in our little demi-monde. Their music would easily fill the same function as David Lang's did - something from the actual performance world, but still inscrutable to the "mass audience". I haven't had long to digest it, but I haven't settled where the filmmakers sympathies are with the music. (Is there mockery as there clearly is with the visual art?) That's probably irrelevant, as it's really a movie about people. The people who are artists are all really shown as self absorbed, though. (The percussionist in Adrian's ensemble was a ringer for J. Bryerton) and thanks for your response From liberatednsf at yahoo.com Sat Nov 14 23:42:12 2009 From: liberatednsf at yahoo.com (andrew wilshusen) Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 23:42:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewMusic] Untitled was Passive-Aggressive Orchestra In-Reply-To: References: <20091110011137.4g4elv59h40ks4g0@mail.ptank.com> <67E645AC-5F0B-450E-8F6F-3722C4753A7F@balancepointacoustics.com> <005789E0-889D-43B0-8143-592F43BAB8CC@pixar.com> <24C159CB-A760-44E6-BCA0-EAC229C71DAC@pixar.com> Message-ID: <953846.42854.qm@web30604.mail.mud.yahoo.com> >David Slusser slusser at pixar.com noted: >The people who are?artists are all really shown as self absorbed, though. Wow, the Coen brothers seem to be stretching reality even further than usual this time!? I suddenly want to see this movie... Andrew From pgsaxo at pacbell.net Sun Nov 15 00:09:08 2009 From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 00:09:08 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewMusic] Untitled Message-ID: <29564.80019.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> i was curious with that one...saw the trailer, looked pretty silly, but indeed had some strange appeal as well. sent from phillip's iPhone On Nov 14, 2009, at 10:28 PM, David Slusser wrote: I just went to the movie (as opposed to film) "Untitled". It's about people in avant-garde art, visual and musical. It's less kind to the visual artists and their milieu, but I wonder how many of you will be either offended or sympathetic with the musical depiction. I enjoyed it for my own perverse reasons, but am left wondering if an avant-garde "film" about avant-garde art would get it any better. This is a "movie" about people - but they're people you know. _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From r8string at gmail.com Sun Nov 15 06:42:58 2009 From: r8string at gmail.com (Ron Thompson) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 06:42:58 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Untitled In-Reply-To: <29564.80019.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <29564.80019.qm@web81405.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <92232ec80911150642u23cae8bbp46f286e80b9014a8@mail.gmail.com> When I saw (Untitled) last week, there was a post screening Q and A with one of the producers. The following evening, the director was scheduled to do a Q and A. The producer referenced her and the director attending some performances in NYC of the type of music depicted and only 6 or 7 people being in the audience. She said that they wanted to get across the experience of the serious committed musicians and very few people experiencing their work. Most of the other questions had to do with how the film was financed and how long it took to make etc. Ron On Sun, Nov 15, 2009 at 12:09 AM, Phillip Greenlief wrote: > i was curious with that one...saw the trailer, looked pretty silly, but > indeed had some strange appeal as well. > > sent from phillip's iPhone > > On Nov 14, 2009, at 10:28 PM, David Slusser wrote: > > I just went to the movie (as opposed to film) "Untitled". > > It's about people in avant-garde art, visual and musical. > > It's less kind to the visual artists and their milieu, but I > wonder how many of you will be either offended or > sympathetic with the musical depiction. > > I enjoyed it for my own perverse reasons, but am left > wondering if an avant-garde "film" about avant-garde > art would get it any better. This is a "movie" about > people - but they're people you know. > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > From suki at zoka.com Sun Nov 15 08:30:17 2009 From: suki at zoka.com (Suki O'Kane) Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 08:30:17 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Untitled In-Reply-To: References: <20091110011137.4g4elv59h40ks4g0@mail.ptank.com> <67E645AC-5F0B-450E-8F6F-3722C4753A7F@balancepointacoustics.com> <005789E0-889D-43B0-8143-592F43BAB8CC@pixar.com> <24C159CB-A760-44E6-BCA0-EAC229C71DAC@pixar.com> Message-ID: At 11:21 PM -0800 11/14/09, David Slusser wrote: >but I haven't settled where the filmmakers sympathies are with the >music. >(Is there mockery as there clearly is with the visual art?) I detected an ambivalence in the portrayal of the music, and walked away thinking it was a redemptive lens on the composer, not so easy going for the visual artists and curators, although each artist achieves success on their own (sometimes shocking) terms. The jokes on audience size, instrumentation, and compositional neurosis are pretty well-targeted, even down to the humiliations (a musician throughout the movie is never once called by her name, and is listed in the credits as "Clarinet"). The movie has an excellently sound-designed landscape of agonizing found sound (a small diabolical symphony of cell phone rings in a restaurant, wind through a bag caught in a tree outside a window) supported by some ham-fisted algonquin-style conversations about the distinctions between music and noise. Dunno if every audience member will have seen Noisy People first, so I imagine there are levels of interpretation for the role of "unwanted sound" in the movie. I read it as cannon fodder (for a cannon that is sadly never fired). It would be entirely reasonable to read it as the composer's mental instabilty. There is a lot that is simply comical in the movie, small sight gags that contast the enormity of the composer's concerns with the reality of his actual engagement in music. >That's >probably >irrelevant, as it's really a movie about people. The people who are >artists >are all really shown as self absorbed, though. I read that as the documentary component, or, at least, exactly how movies about creative insiders seem to flow. A form of moral bile wells up as we endure the cinematic machinations of any priviledged group that isn't trying to send a rocket to intercept an asteroid, or return Scotland to its natives. But it would be a valid criticism for any film, at least for a second, e.g. I watched the Incredible Hulk last night. He is so fucking into himself, you know? Every day day in day out all about Hulk Hulk Hulk. Trying to get everyone to deal with his issues on his terms and getting all mad when he doesn't get his way. Etc. I will say I find it a bit of a disgrace how American cinema depicts people engaged in the arts, revealing how little the activity is valued. Much more complex treatment for head-caving oil barons, who we should study if we want to amount to anything. But to David's point: I felt the self-absorption of the musicians was redeemed in the end. The composer breaks down at long last and creates something "pretty" (David Lang's "WED"?). Welcome home. All if forgiven. I found an online interview with Lang in which he saw this as the composer's maturity, finally moving to compose not simply for himself. That comment didn't resolve it for me, but I did enjoy beating the entire argument back by listening to Jon Leidecker's excellent podcasts at http://rwm.macba.cat/en/curatorial/, which begin, thankfully, with Charles Ives. spoiler alert, -s -- suki o'kane mailto:suki at zoka.com http://www.myspace.com/sukiokane From 8vuit8 at gmail.com Tue Nov 17 09:46:12 2009 From: 8vuit8 at gmail.com (Bob Marsh) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 09:46:12 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] for fractile freaks Message-ID: <98e30a870911170946k48ae5bbv8353de09dc80fb00@mail.gmail.com> http://www.skytopia.com/project/fractal/mandelbulb.html#background -- Bob Marsh 475 43rd Street Richmond, CA 94805 510-236-2595 home 510-932-9268 cell www.bobmarsh.net www.myspace.com/bobisadoctor www.myspace.com/emergencystringxtet www.myspace.com/yollesmarsh www.myspace.com/desperateremedies www.myspace.com/mrhg80 www.myspace.com/8vuit8 www.myspace.com/neufnineneuf www.myspace.com/thespiritmovesus From slusser at pixar.com Tue Nov 17 17:38:41 2009 From: slusser at pixar.com (David Slusser) Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:38:41 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Untitled In-Reply-To: References: <20091110011137.4g4elv59h40ks4g0@mail.ptank.com> <67E645AC-5F0B-450E-8F6F-3722C4753A7F@balancepointacoustics.com> <005789E0-889D-43B0-8143-592F43BAB8CC@pixar.com> <24C159CB-A760-44E6-BCA0-EAC229C71DAC@pixar.com> Message-ID: Thanks for your thoughts on this, and thanks for managing the Ivy Hootenany last night. (I haven't been able to keep up, but there seems to be more happening there on other nights that I haven't heard about.) What I wanted to add about the movie "Untitled", is that however off-the-mark they may have got some things, I bet there were moments right out of all of are lives. There were at least a half dozen for me, and it's pretty unusual that I experience that in a theater. I mean really close, so it was a distraction from just experiencing the film (spoiled for insiders). On Nov 15, 2009, at 8:30 AM, Suki O'Kane wrote: > At 11:21 PM -0800 11/14/09, David Slusser wrote: >> but I haven't settled where the filmmakers sympathies are with the >> music. >> (Is there mockery as there clearly is with the visual art?) > > I detected an ambivalence in the portrayal of the music, and walked > away thinking it was a redemptive lens on the composer, not so easy > going for the visual artists and curators, although each artist > achieves success on their own (sometimes shocking) terms. The jokes > on audience size, instrumentation, and compositional neurosis are > pretty well-targeted, even down to the humiliations (a musician > throughout the movie is never once called by her name, and is listed > in the credits as "Clarinet"). > > The movie has an excellently sound-designed landscape of agonizing > found sound (a small diabolical symphony of cell phone rings in a > restaurant, wind through a bag caught in a tree outside a window) > supported by some ham-fisted algonquin-style conversations about the > distinctions between music and noise. Dunno if every audience member > will have seen Noisy People first, so I imagine there are levels of > interpretation for the role of "unwanted sound" in the movie. I read > it as cannon fodder (for a cannon that is sadly never fired). It > would be entirely reasonable to read it as the composer's mental > instabilty. There is a lot that is simply comical in the movie, small > sight gags that contast the enormity of the composer's concerns with > the reality of his actual engagement in music. > >> That's >> probably >> irrelevant, as it's really a movie about people. The people who are >> artists >> are all really shown as self absorbed, though. > > I read that as the documentary component, or, at least, exactly how > movies about creative insiders seem to flow. A form of moral bile > wells up as we endure the cinematic machinations of any priviledged > group that isn't trying to send a rocket to intercept an asteroid, or > return Scotland to its natives. But it would be a valid criticism for > any film, at least for a second, e.g. I watched the Incredible Hulk > last night. He is so fucking into himself, you know? Every day day in > day out all about Hulk Hulk Hulk. Trying to get everyone to deal with > his issues on his terms and getting all mad when he doesn't get his > way. Etc. > > I will say I find it a bit of a disgrace how American cinema depicts > people engaged in the arts, revealing how little the activity is > valued. Much more complex treatment for head-caving oil barons, who > we should study if we want to amount to anything. > > But to David's point: I felt the self-absorption of the musicians was > redeemed in the end. The composer breaks down at long last and > creates something "pretty" (David Lang's "WED"?). Welcome home. All > if forgiven. I found an online interview with Lang in which he saw > this as the composer's maturity, finally moving to compose not simply > for himself. That comment didn't resolve it for me, but I did enjoy > beating the entire argument back by listening to Jon Leidecker's > excellent podcasts at http://rwm.macba.cat/en/curatorial/, which > begin, thankfully, with Charles Ives. > > spoiler alert, > -s > > > -- > > suki o'kane > mailto:suki at zoka.com > http://www.myspace.com/sukiokane > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From gcremaschi at hotmail.com Wed Nov 18 02:45:12 2009 From: gcremaschi at hotmail.com (George Cremaschi) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 02:45:12 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Untitled In-Reply-To: References: <20091110011137.4g4elv59h40ks4g0@mail.ptank.com>, <67E645AC-5F0B-450E-8F6F-3722C4753A7F@balancepointacoustics.com>, <005789E0-889D-43B0-8143-592F43BAB8CC@pixar.com>, , <24C159CB-A760-44E6-BCA0-EAC229C71DAC@pixar.com>, , , , Message-ID: suki wrote: > > I will say I find it a bit of a disgrace how American cinema depicts > > people engaged in the arts, revealing how little the activity is > > valued. Much more complex treatment for head-caving oil barons, who > > we should study if we want to amount to anything. This 50 word analysis, and all that it implies, says as much about the USA as any entire Howard Zinn or Noam Chomsky book. -George _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ From gino at rastascan.com Wed Nov 18 22:51:20 2009 From: gino at rastascan.com (Gino Robair) Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:51:20 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] Even Kiss is feeling the pinch Message-ID: You think our nichey scenes have trouble getting people to come to gigs, check out the AWOL Kiss Army and what this band has to do to get people to their shows: make it "free." (Borrowed from Lefsetz's blog -- click the link to the Axe Bass and see Gene Simmons make his sad pitch....) ***** [from --http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/ -- Well, there's a bunch of service charges. Can't beat the Ticketmaster fees, the promoter's got to get some of its money back. You know Gene ain't parting with any of his! I'll give the man credit. Gene was 2010 back in the nineties. With the coffin, the convention, he was all about superserving the niche. And that's what the KISS Army is, a niche. One deserved hit single and a lame ballad by a band member you kicked out will only keep the hoi polloi interested for so long. Or look at it this way, Gene Simmons is all over TV and still NO ONE wants his album. To be exact, 187,557. That's how many copies "Sonic Boom" has sold. And it's only that high because Wal-Mart bought so many and they're still featured in the store. But, to speak Mr. Simmons' language, that's BUPKES! Isn't this the guy who said he was going to teach Wal-Mart a lesson or two? Seems they're not listening. The retailer's low-price strategy, selling books for far under ten bucks, has got nothing to do with Gene's high-priced strategy, like selling a bass for $5,000 with a meet and greet (http://www.genesimmonsaxebass.com/) But those tickets are not too high-priced... This was the e-mail: KISS with special guest Buckcherry Sunday, November 22 at 7:30 pm Oracle Arena, Oakland Free KISS concert ticket offer: Begins: Now! Ends: Thursday, November 19 at 10:00 pm Offer made subject to limited availability on a first-come, first-served basis. Additional $5.40 order processing, $2.50 print at home, and $0.75 service charge will apply. Limit: 8 tickets per customer. To redeem free concert ticket offer, click here: http://www.ticketmaster.com/event/1C0043328BD65177?did=pf Gene Simmons shouldn't be trying to convince us, those who love to ridicule him, but should be playing solely to those who truly care. KISS should be playing house concerts. For an extra fee, Mr. Tongue will schtup your wife. KISS should be involved with Topspin, not Wal-Mart. The band should be offering a whole menu of choices. Not only vinyl and a photo book, but a copy of Gene's Polaroids. There's still money to be made, but KISS must go smaller, not bigger. Because bigger ain't working for them. In fact, it's kind of laughable. (I know, I know Gene. I just did you a solid! I gave the URL to your axe, wrote about your gig, where people might go for free, yet still buy merch...I gave you the publicity you so dearly desire. Take all the money you can get. But just know that your band is a sideshow.) -- Visit the archive: http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/ -- From ie at allwaysnorth.com Thu Nov 19 10:57:19 2009 From: ie at allwaysnorth.com (Cheryl Leonard) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 10:57:19 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] CD replication recommendations? Message-ID: What company do people recommend for CD replication? I'm looking to do 1000 copies, and I really want all the packaging (both a booklet and cardboard wallet) made from recycled paper/board. It seems like many places can do recycled cardboard wallets but don't print booklets on recycled paper. Also, is it worth the extra money to do real-time glass mastering, or is that just a scam? Thanks! Cheryl Leonard ie at allwaysnorth.com From pgsaxo at pacbell.net Thu Nov 19 12:24:15 2009 From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief) Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 12:24:15 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewMusic] CD replication recommendations? Message-ID: <101250.8177.qm@web81408.mail.mud.yahoo.com> i've used discmakers, and find them to be affordable, easy to work with and reliable in terms of delivery when promised. they have a variety of packaging options. sent from phillip's iPhone On Nov 19, 2009, at 10:57 AM, Cheryl Leonard wrote: What company do people recommend for CD replication? I'm looking to do 1000 copies, and I really want all the packaging (both a booklet and cardboard wallet) made from recycled paper/board. It seems like many places can do recycled cardboard wallets but don't print booklets on recycled paper. Also, is it worth the extra money to do real-time glass mastering, or is that just a scam? Thanks! Cheryl Leonard ie at allwaysnorth.com _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From nahochan at gmail.com Fri Nov 20 11:46:14 2009 From: nahochan at gmail.com (Naho Yoshida) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 11:46:14 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] article/review submission for transbay calendar Message-ID: <7c3c3f3d0911201146y6905a974j8252b32f7defe654@mail.gmail.com> Hello all! I'm Naho, I took over Suki's job this past September and I've been doing the layout design for the Transbay Creative Music Calendar since then. I'm currently working on the December issue. Anyone interested in submitting your article/review etc.!? Please forward them to me at nahochan at gmail.com?? Thank you!!! Naho From mattdavignon at gmail.com Fri Nov 20 14:04:06 2009 From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:04:06 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] The Bay Area Improv Scene Message-ID: ...has a wikipedia page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Improv_Scene (No, I didn't write it.) -- Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt From pgsaxo at pacbell.net Fri Nov 20 14:56:12 2009 From: pgsaxo at pacbell.net (Phillip Greenlief) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:56:12 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewMusic] The Bay Area Improv Scene Message-ID: <396666.6843.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> that's a pretty lame description. it doesn't actually do much in the desription of the actual music, the venues, or anything...just says we are the equivalent of the ny scene, which isn't particularly accurate. sent from phillip's iPhone On Nov 20, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: ...has a wikipedia page. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Improv_Scene (No, I didn't write it.) -- Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt _______________________________________________ Bay Area New Music Discussion Group NewMusic at music.mills.edu http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From damon at balancepointacoustics.com Fri Nov 20 15:23:44 2009 From: damon at balancepointacoustics.com (Damon Smith) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:23:44 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] The Bay Area Improv Scene In-Reply-To: <396666.6843.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <396666.6843.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <19876CF9-AC9C-475A-9782-C58543681F56@balancepointacoustics.com> Someone should edit it. The musicians no longer acitve should be removed, beanbenders is also LONG over places like 21 grand have logged more time and done more at this point. Damon Smith http://www.balancepointacoustics.com Sent from my iPod On Nov 20, 2009, at 2:56 PM, Phillip Greenlief wrote: > that's a pretty lame description. it doesn't actually do much in the > desription of the actual music, the venues, or anything...just says > we are the equivalent of the ny scene, which isn't particularly > accurate. > > sent from phillip's iPhone > > On Nov 20, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Matt Davignon > wrote: > > ...has a wikipedia page. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Improv_Scene > > (No, I didn't write it.) > > -- > Matt Davignon > www.ribosomemusic.com > Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic > > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic From weaselw at juno.com Fri Nov 20 16:01:24 2009 From: weaselw at juno.com (weasel walter) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:01:24 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] The Bay Area Improv Scene Message-ID: <20091120.160227.2504.165.weaselw@juno.com> i guarantee wikipedia will kill that thing really quick. it reads like an ad and has no serious references. catch it while you can. ____________________________________________________________ Save $10 on Flowers and Gifts! Shop now at www.ftd.com/16714 http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=hnhgRzt0OXe1x3AzMByrdQAAJ1DSkemDRJbzq8GkN2LTwtOOAAIAAAAUAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAVBAAAAABodHRwOi8vd3d3LmZ0ZC5jb20vMTY3MTQ= From mattdavignon at gmail.com Fri Nov 20 16:09:35 2009 From: mattdavignon at gmail.com (Matt Davignon) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:09:35 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] The Bay Area Improv Scene In-Reply-To: <19876CF9-AC9C-475A-9782-C58543681F56@balancepointacoustics.com> References: <396666.6843.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19876CF9-AC9C-475A-9782-C58543681F56@balancepointacoustics.com> Message-ID: It's clearly the perspective of one person, but personally I don't think it's a bad start. Some collaboration would be a good idea. I think the section "Nature of the Music" does a pretty good job of loosely describing what to expect for someone who might not already be immersed in the scene. However, I'd go further to describe the musical diversity, including many performers' ties to jazz, classical, rock, harsh noise and electronic music. Beanbenders is listed as part of the history of the series. The article says it was the center of the scene "for a number of years". I think Mills College should be part of the history as well, in that it draws a constant influx of musicians from other parts of the country. Weasel's right. The article doesn't reference articles to back up many of the claims. A few of the claims are subjective or even erroneous. A musician recently told me of the experience of creating one's own wikipedia page. (A process I don't encourage.) Said musician said that the biggest challenge was finding references to verify facts that the subject of the article already knew. For example, it's not enough to know that you grew up in this state and were influenced by such and such. You have to find a published interview where you said it, and link to the article. -- Matt Davignon www.ribosomemusic.com Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Damon Smith wrote: > Someone should edit it. The musicians no longer acitve should be > removed, beanbenders is also LONG over places like 21 grand have > logged more time and done more at this point. > > Damon Smith > http://www.balancepointacoustics.com > > Sent from my iPod > > On Nov 20, 2009, at 2:56 PM, Phillip Greenlief > wrote: > >> that's a pretty lame description. it doesn't actually do much in the >> desription of the actual music, the venues, or anything...just says >> we are the equivalent of the ny scene, which isn't particularly >> accurate. >> >> sent from phillip's iPhone >> >> On Nov 20, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Matt Davignon >> wrote: >> >> ...has a wikipedia page. >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Improv_Scene >> >> (No, I didn't write it.) From matthew at matthewgoodheart.com Fri Nov 20 18:53:02 2009 From: matthew at matthewgoodheart.com (Matthew Goodheart) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:53:02 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] The Bay Area Improv Scene In-Reply-To: References: <396666.6843.qm@web81401.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <19876CF9-AC9C-475A-9782-C58543681F56@balancepointacoustics.com> Message-ID: <0C3461C8-75A6-4AEC-A6C9-944DB107E4F1@matthewgoodheart.com> Well, it's nice there's something there, at least. Also, however, misses all of the history around 1750 Arch St, the Ghost Opera Company, etc. But hey. . . On Nov 20, 2009, at 4:09 PM, Matt Davignon wrote: > It's clearly the perspective of one person, but personally I don't > think it's a bad start. Some collaboration would be a good idea. > > I think the section "Nature of the Music" does a pretty good job of > loosely describing what to expect for someone who might not already be > immersed in the scene. However, I'd go further to describe the musical > diversity, including many performers' ties to jazz, classical, rock, > harsh noise and electronic music. > > Beanbenders is listed as part of the history of the series. The > article says it was the center of the scene "for a number of years". I > think Mills College should be part of the history as well, in that it > draws a constant influx of musicians from other parts of the country. > > Weasel's right. The article doesn't reference articles to back up many > of the claims. A few of the claims are subjective or even erroneous. > > A musician recently told me of the experience of creating one's own > wikipedia page. (A process I don't encourage.) Said musician said that > the biggest challenge was finding references to verify facts that the > subject of the article already knew. For example, it's not enough to > know that you grew up in this state and were influenced by such and > such. You have to find a published interview where you said it, and > link to the article. > > -- > Matt Davignon > www.ribosomemusic.com > Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > > > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Damon Smith > wrote: >> Someone should edit it. The musicians no longer acitve should be >> removed, beanbenders is also LONG over places like 21 grand have >> logged more time and done more at this point. >> >> Damon Smith >> http://www.balancepointacoustics.com >> >> Sent from my iPod >> >> On Nov 20, 2009, at 2:56 PM, Phillip Greenlief >> wrote: >> >>> that's a pretty lame description. it doesn't actually do much in the >>> desription of the actual music, the venues, or anything...just says >>> we are the equivalent of the ny scene, which isn't particularly >>> accurate. >>> >>> sent from phillip's iPhone >>> >>> On Nov 20, 2009, at 2:04 PM, Matt Davignon >>> wrote: >>> >>> ...has a wikipedia page. >>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Improv_Scene >>> >>> (No, I didn't write it.) > _______________________________________________ > Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > NewMusic at music.mills.edu > http://music.mills.edu/mailman/listinfo/newmusic Matthew Goodheart composer ~ improviser ~ pianist matthew at matthewgoodheart.com http://matthewgoodheart.com http://myspace.com/matthewgoodheart From weaselw at juno.com Fri Nov 20 22:43:02 2009 From: weaselw at juno.com (weasel walter) Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:43:02 -0800 Subject: [NewMusic] The Bay Area Improv Scene Message-ID: <20091120.224413.2504.178.weaselw@juno.com> oh yeah, it also misses . . . uh . . . ME!!!! ww On Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:53:02 -0800 Matthew Goodheart writes: > Well, it's nice there's something there, at least. > > Also, however, misses all of the history around 1750 Arch St, the > Ghost Opera Company, etc. > > But hey. . . ____________________________________________________________ Diet Help Cheap Diet Help Tips. Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=OWB4wCa81VFEbO4p8qDmrQAAJ1DSkemDRJbzq8GkN2LTwtOOAAYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAADNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYQAAAAAA= From djll at sonic.net Sat Nov 21 09:39:07 2009 From: djll at sonic.net (djll at sonic.net) Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 09:39:07 -0800 (PST) Subject: [NewMusic] NewMusic Digest, Vol 43, Issue 14 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9461.75.55.48.138.1258825147.squirrel@webmail.sonic.net> Oh well, it's a start at least. I'd be happy to contribute. It should be a collaborative effort. If anybody else wants to band together to spiff it up, contact me or put yourself forward in some positive fashion. td > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:04:06 -0800 > From: Matt Davignon > Subject: [NewMusic] The Bay Area Improv Scene > To: Bay Area New Music Discussion Group > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > ...has a wikipedia page. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bay_Area_Improv_Scene > > (No, I didn't write it.) > > -- > Matt Davignon > www.ribosomemusic.com > Rigs! www.youtube.com/user/ribosomematt > >